Why do Americans hate healthcare for everyone?

>>719932929
duh, cause it means the rich have to pay for it with higher taxes. next?

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Not even trying, are you?

Most issues in America can be explained by the fact that white people dont want to share with minorities, whom they accuse of being leeches.

It only benefits those who are jobless, and rates were jacked up for the rest. Imagine paying $1200 a month for insurance, not including dental, and having a $12,000 deductible. Meanwhile it's basically free for the unemployed.

>>719933221
Its becuase there were alot of people abusing it and it wasnt minorities it was alot of white people doing it reason there is so many overwieght people in america and the people that actually needed it couldnt becuase of the amount of abusers using it that were completely capable of making a living but didnt want to have to do anything other then just stay home all the time and claim benifits

>>719933953
And it wasnt just taxing the rich it taxed everyone including middle and people strugling to get by basicaly making it even harder for the people trying to get by

Obama also promised you'd be able to keep your current doctor, our choose one you like. Some people have to drive and hour or two, just to see a doctor who accepts Obama-care.

>>719932929
We love healthcare, but no one wants to pay for a 600lb man's liposuction.

taxes, some people aren't even citizens will get healthcare.

Because its not fair to take money from someone to give it to another for arbitrary reasons. In cases of extreme poverty it may be ok, but we beleive in individuality and self-sustinence. Take care of yourself and you wont have to rely on others to take care of you. Also, speaking as a libertarian, taxation is theft.

>>719934779
Basically this, I'll be a fuccboi Stanley if i'm going to pay monthly for a service I can't use just so nignogs and old poors can get to die in a hospital room.
Add to that the fact that certain Doctors have been defrauding medicare for decades, causing massive inflation in a market where the only deciding factor on price is how much whoever owns the building wants to fuck you over.

>>719932929
>muh American exceptionalism

Our political geography does not support it

>>719935308
I agree. We should be gassing these useless eaters. You get sick, you die--that's the American Way.

>>719934850
That doesn't make any sense. Undocumented workers don't even get the social security that they put into while working. You're being an idiot...

Because we live in a me me me country? Why do people keep forgetting this??

>>719932929
>Americans hate healthcare for everyone

No, the american government does.

>>719932929
Same reason why retads think public transprotation is for poor people and foreigners.

I mostly just hate how if I can't afford healthcare, I get fined. I get fined money, for not having enough money, what kind of backwards shit is that?

Serious question, why doesn't (or wouldn't) universal healthcare work for Americans?

I'm German and pay a bit less than 100 bucks per month for my health insurance (having one is mandatory) and the service I receive for it is outstanding.
Like, I had a torn meniscus once and the guy who fixed it literally invented the technique for it and was flown out to treat some national sports team the day before.
My mother (same insurance) suffers from cancer and got experimental drugs that cost about 10k a shot and may very well have saved her life.
Hell, I don't even have to pay for my therapy sessions or my asthma medicine, which would cost me more than I could reasonably afford, and even homeopathic stuff would be covered if I gave a damn about it.

Now I'm genuinely wondering, since this seems to improve the quality of life of many people by a lot and obviously works around here, seeing how nobody wants to leave the country for that and insurance companies are alive and well too, why would the same not work for the USA?

>>719932929
because it costs the people that work more money and the way life is for the "working man" under the niggers administration those who work barely made it and those who didn't work got to sit back on their asses and reap the benefits. i hope that changed.

>>719932929
Because it results in higher tax rates. If somebody needs a live saving procedure go for it, I'll pitch in as far as tax is concerned.

If they just kind of felt like going to the hospital because they had a headache fuck em, they can pay for that shit.

>>719933080
And from what I have learned from living in America my whole life... everyone will defend tax raises for the rich, because everyone believes it will affect them somehow. THE RICH EARNED THOSE TAX CUTS BUT FUCK THE POOR BECAUSE THEIR 150 DOLLAR WELFARE CHECK CAME OUT OF MY POCKET!

300,000,000,000 a year to oil companies as tax-cut and/or subsidies is fine though.

because those of us who watch our weight, don't do retarded things like extreme sports, don't go to the ER every time we have a fever, and tend to our own wounds are being forced to pay into private insurance so that executives with million-dollar salaries can still turn a profit after being forced to pay the hospital bills of the obese and stupid.

I love healthcare that I have worked for. I don't like working so lazy spics and niggers can continue to breed like rabbits and clog up our hospitals.

>>719936611
Tfw you don't understand the ACA. If you can't afford to purchase healthcare you receive subsidies via Medicaid.

Guy who works in corporate strategy for one of the large healthcare insurance providers here, AMA (I know a lot about this shit).

>>719936146
>Undocumented workers
*Illegal immigrants undercutting hard working citizens. FTFY

>>719936784
Because it's pure, unbridled communism. Enjoy your government funded breadlines, Hans

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>>719933216

>>719932929
I'll put it simple.
Obamacare obliged you to go to a specific doc, you cannot choose. This made docs do a worse job, because it killed competition under which docs were forced to perform best.

>>719933221
>Most issues in America can be explained by the fact that white people dont want to share with minorities, whom they accuse of being leeches.


Most issues in America can be explained by the fact that productive dont want to share with parasites, whom they rightly accuse of being leeches.

Huh? A natural and gradual "thinning of the herd"...little to reduced copay means more money for the medical industry and a jackpot for pharmaceutical companies. The American people have no choice in the matter...

>>719937316
>If your state opted into it

>>719932929
Well, that's a long answer. Suffice it to say we have this myth of being a meritocracy, where people are led to believe that if they work hard they will be rewarded in the same measure of how hard they worked. This is of course not true, hard work CAN pay off but it sure doesn't always. This myth also feeds into the idea that if someone has a lot of wealth and power, it means they worked hard enough to EARN that wealth and power which leads to this weird cultural bugaboo that if you're rich, it means you earned everything you have, you're a hard worker and therefore a good person. This is also not always true. Now, the position that those less fortunate are merely mooching off the rest of the tax payers who play by the rules is also very complex but it can in part be attributed to those tax payers (who also get gvmt assistance in others ways such as tax credits for children and owning a home,but lets not muddy the waters) believing that those who take gvmt assistance are lazy and therefore bad people who do not deserve said assistance. It's a bit of a logic loop and it's part of the reason we are where we are.

>tried to sign up for obamacare
>get told I make too much money
>$8 an hour 24 hours part time job
>have to pay tax for not having insurance

Fuck obamacare

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>>719937336
>yfw

>>719937336
Thanks, I guess?

insurance companies competing for business is a better model than what government can produce for socialist healthcare

>>719937316
>works in corporate strategy for one of the large healthcare insurance providers
Yeah...
Like your opinion will be in any way unbiased. Our LEGALLY MANDATED private insurance premiums pay your salary, you leech.

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From what I have heard, it is because of higher taxes. Personally, I wouldn't really give a shit because most people pay for insurance anyhow so what the fuck is the difference, really?

>>719937829
That's absurd.
Do you know how much the CEO of one of those insurance companies makes? How many people he has on his personal staff? What they make? The cost of their vehicles? Their offices? Their call centers? The tens of thousands of employees? The ad campaign? All that PLUS the profit margin comes from one thing and one thing only:
money taken in by premiums and NOT paid to hospitals for health care.

>>719937593
And if it didn't you apply through the feds via their exchange.

>>719937480
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Healthcare is a need not a right.
A human has to provide that health care for you, it's their right to charge as much or as little as they want for it.
It is not societies duty to pay that man what he charges for his service. It's your problem.

Why shouldn't we just have universal food?
Food establishments should just be required to feed anyone who walks in and the government should reimburse them later.

Why shouldn't water be free?
Water is essential for life, and the fact that the city charges you for how much you use is rediculous.

Why shouldn't energy be free?
In todays world you need electricity to function, and to heat your home.
Shouldn't the government pick up the tab for warming houses, you wouldn't want ot leave someone to freeze to death would you?

Why shouldn't Internet be free?
Restricting access to information by keeping the internet out of the hands of the poor is inhumane!
Internet should be provided by the government for free!


A government big enough to give you anything, is big enough to take anything away.
Communism was the failure of the 20th century.
And Western intellectuals loved the idea of it the entire time.

Intellectuals love ideas, but their ideas don't actually work.

>>719938114
it's because those companies are essentials parts of human life. They deserve to make the money for their focus on healthcare

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>>719938405
>Intellectuals love ideas, but their ideas don't actually work.

>>719937860
Legally mandated? What? You have the choice to opt in for private (I assume you mean employer supplied) insurance. If you don't then you can purchase it yourself or be fined.

If you AREN'T forced to purchase then the entire idea of insurance is moot, as those who don't require insurance won't buy in (go google the insurance death spiral).

Also we lose money hand over fist on the exchange plans, so they certainly don't pay my salary.

Basically everything you've said is wrong.

>>719932929
Because it isn't free, we're required to purchase insurance under financial penalty if we don't. It is stupid. Mediocre bait, but that's actually the reason.

>>719932929
They are afraid of the big socialist boogeyman.

>>719938544
In theory, theory and practice are the same.
In practice they're not.

Communism is a complete and total failure, and it cost over 100 million people their lives.
Capitalism and a free market has proven time and time again to be the most compassionate and fair economic system.

>>719933221
Well when minorities stop being leeches you will have a point, but until then you're just going to have to live with PRESIDENT Donald Trump

>>719937480
The answer it's simple, kick niggers out and let spics in, they are dumb and violent too, but at least they work

>>719938717
I'm not telling you communism works m8, I'm telling you that generalisations like that are utterly retarded
Intellectuals love ideas and many of them work, doesn't mean they have to
There's also lots of intellectuals arguing for capitalism

>>719938405
>What is natural selection
Degenerate.

>>719932929
mandatory health insurance =/= health care for everyone
ACA = more taxes on people

>>719932929
pay for the heart surgery for 500 pound unemployed Tyrone

>>719932929
Why do people always confuse health care and insurance?

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>>719938717
How is Capitalism proven to work? All we have now is an increasly gigantic bubble pending to burst. You need to open your eyes anon, giving billions of dollars to complete retards is idiotic by default.

Also communism isn't the only alternative. We need artificial selection.

>>719936784
You are actually paying for it. You pay 42% in taxes if you are in the middle class. 42!!! That is almost HALF your income already gone. THEN you have 5.5% on TOP of this for some other BS solidarity tax. Holy fuck dude.

I made almost $150K last year, you know what I paid in taxes? Less than 23%. Seriously. That is almost a $30,000 difference in what I would take home here vs. Deutschland.
And you guys don't spend SHIT on national military vs the US.

So yeah, you are paying for it.

>>719939870
They also don't realize the percentage of their GDP which goes towards this compared to other countries which provide universal healthcare. They pay so much more for so much less.

>>719939870
And yet I don't have to die because of a lung infection.

Your argument neither looks at unindebted poverty, nor at the usefullness of adjusted taxes.

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>>719933221
This. No one wants to pay for A̶f̶r̶i̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶A̶m̶e̶r̶i̶c̶a̶n̶s̶ NIGGERS.

>>719933221

Whites don't care about whites any more than minorites. They care about themselves.

> source: white

>>719939870
It's not 42% of your income. Your tax bracket might be 42%, but you only pay that rate on the income that's above the threshold.

>>719939870
42% is literally the highest percentage you can pay and seriously far from middle class, especially if you consider the cost of living around here.
Besides, what's your point? Of course we're paying for it, how would anything ever be free?

And while we're at it, my insurance company happens to be an entirely private company that is in no way directly supported by the government, so how are my taxes related to that?

>>719932929
It's unconstitutional for the government to make a universal healthcare plan. Any power not given directly to the government in the constitution by default goes to the states.

>>719940053
?

Germany has one of the top three universal healthcare systems in terms of treatment payment

>>719940476
Ok, so I pay 15% on my first $50K and THEN 42% on the next $100K. THEN 5.5% on top of that.
Still paying for Gunter's sex change either way.

My understanding is that the countries with successful healthcare for everyone only manage it because they limit how much drugs can cost, and how much doctors can charge.

In the US, drugs are WAY expensive, and doctors fees are WAY high.

Without limiting those things, I don't think there is a workable solution.

>>719940342
>Two masturbating turds.

>>719940476
What's the income threshold?

>>719940767
I'm saying those in the USA who get all uptight about 'paying for it' don't realize just how much more than other countries they already pay towards healthcare if you compare the percentage of countries' GDP spending on healthcare.

>>719940256
No, you don't. We don't have to here either. In a very little mentioned thing - if you tell the hospital that you will NOT be using insurance, you will pay MUCH less. I'm talking about 80% less.

First baby cost me $10K with insurance.
Paid cash for #3 - only cost me $2500.

>>719937115
your anger is palpable

and delicious

because the doctors' lobby and the pharma lobby and the insurance lobby keep us from getting single payer health care like a civilized country

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((free))))))))))))))))))))))))))* healthcare

We are true proud americans we beleive you get what you work hard for, do not and will not take handouts like a lazy mommas boy, candy-ass pos.

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>>719941027

>>719941261
>>719940468
Both of these

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>>719933221
>cause da white man!
what SJW's actually believe.

>>719933221
Triple dubs wasted on inbred faggot

>>719941107
>only cost me $2500
>only
In some countries (with medical treatment of about equal quality) that will get you more than 2 years worth of insurance.
You could literally have three babies and get help for every other medical problem you have during that time.

>>719940538
No, 45% is the highest. And the 42% threshold starts at 50K, well in the lower range of middle class.

My point is - here in 'Merica we believe in personal responsibility and working for yourself more than a collective mindset. We don't like that the government wants to "take care of us."

We're just different, and we like it. That is why most of us here don't want universal health care.

If you don't want insurance, don't get it. We don't want to be forced to buy something just because we breathe.

>>719941107
You don't pay the insurance for times, when you have the money. You pay the insurance for times, you no longer have money. It may be, that this sense of security, ie. better to have it and don't need it, rather than need it and don't have it, is not part of the american mentality.

And I really hope, you didn't want to tell me that you have to pay 400% out of your own pocket, if you use insurance

>>719932929
No, republicans just hate obama cus he's a Democrat and because he's a brown man so much they are willing to let americans die by removing healthcare with no solution or replacement simply because the healthcare is associated with obama and his legacy.

Racists may be shooting themselves in the face, but thats expected, becuase racists don't work on logic.

The only question is, with republicans in power of senate and house and pres who will they blame now?

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>>719940468
you're vomiting shit anon. You would loan your wite neighbor 5 bucks waaay before you'd loan it to your black neighbor. I know i would.

>>719941896
>pres who will they blame now?
The media of course, until they start blaming the american people, which will be about 2 months after that beat that dead horse

>>719941634
>50K
>well in the lower range of middle class
I'm sorry, but that's just delusional. That's upper middleclass in Germany at the very least, if not more.
While I get your point of view and the philosophy behind it, it seems obvious that in practice, it doesn't work as well as other systems. The USA aren't exactly a healthy country and in pretty much every healthy country, bankruptcy due to medical issues is hardly a problem at all.

>>719942023
I wouldn't loan any neighbor any money, fuck them

>>719941896
Its because people dont want to pay extra taxes for lazy fuckheads who cant get a job thmselves

>>719941795
Yes, I did. Because I used insurance which had a $5K deductable. 5K for the wife, 5K for the baby.

It sucked, hated it. So that is why I did not use it the next time. The hospitals know insurance has all the money so they charge outrageous prices. If you pay yourself its much more reasonable.

I agree about not having it and needing it. But I just hate being told that I HAVE to have it.

>>719942023

Jokes on you. I live in the suburbs, and don't know of any black neighbors anywhere near me.

Black guy at work I'd lone 5 bucks too. But he's just another fat nerd, like the rest of us.

>>719941896
im guessing they will continue to push the blame on others

>racists don't work on logic.
ya know

>>719941179
It really is... it's just frustrating seeing that we could have such a better system to take care of our people, but our government doesn't give a fuck and the brainwashed masses defend the government because "murika". =/

>>719942138
No, people don't care that the way to get insurance companies to be okay with pre-existing conditions was that they had to have a bigger pool of healthy people to draw money from

>>719942023
>>719942134

This. Do blacks loan each other money? That's some friendship ending shit. Fucker starts smelling like a moocher and he's out.

>>719932929
It's too expensive.

>>719942852
But if everyone had routine checkups and supported even a more basic healthy lifestyle, in the end we would save money

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>>719937316
European here

My country has provincial based universal healthcare that bakes in my income tax in to the insurance system. Whenever I go to a healthcare clinic or a hospital, be it private or state owned, my provincial insurance will pay out a standard fee for the visit based on what I got fixed for plus I will personally pay a visit fee (10-30€).

This system has some flaws, but for the most part it achieves two important things. Its economically and bureaucratically efficient, and everyone gets proper healthcare in time which minimizes the chance of more costs down the line. The visitor fees also keep system abusers away.

Now, freedom and socialism aside, why doesn't the US simply just copy this kind of system?
I know we manage to afford it despite having the same gdp per capita as the poorest states in the US.

>>719943162
Don't bring logic into this!

>>719943162
>>719942852

I think the Republican point is simply that letting people die in the street is the cheaper option.

> even then keeping everyone vaccinated would keep herd immunity up and overall costs lower

But there's is the fuck-you-got-mine solution.

>>719932929
Most of us do. only idiot faggot red-necks don't

>>719943355
But that's what I honestly feel is unamerican, we're supposed to be together, not letting each other die off

>>719937316
Tells us about the 5 tier pricing system.

>>719932929
>wanting the US government involved in your healthcare
>the VA is a joke
>Social Security is in the tank

>>719943672

America is built on the shattered backs of immigrants and native poor. It's what we do.

I agree with you, that we shouldn't, though.

>>719943942
>Social Security is in the tank
and has been for 20 years. Imagine if they got SS privatized when bush wanted, right before the housing collapse. How many americans would be homeless right now?

>>719944138
Maybe they should go to college and get a desk job instead

>>719944145
I don't have to imagine.

My mother works for the State of Nevada. They have an exemption, they don't pay SS tax, it goes into a private retirement system that the state contracts with. She's freaking set.

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>>719943321
you gotta take into consideration that Americans are what we in EU consider stupidly right orientated.

They are simply not used to giving a shit and getting butthurt over low taxes. (what we consider low) the progressive left have also turned regressive over there.

So average joes over there are gonna shy away from health care even more now

>>719940342
Sauce on these hot turds

>>719937597
Fucking underrated post.

>>719944407

I can't even tell if you're being sarcastic or not, with all the poorly reasoned opinions being bandied about these days.

We should take care of our laborers. We'll still be better off than them, but they won't be suffering and dying early for no reason.

>>719944568

SS would be set of the faggots wouldn't have kept dipping their fingers into it and leaving a bunch of [ IOU 1B, will pay --promise-- ]

What I dont understand is that Medicare made up 25% of the US spending last year. About $1T.

And yet you still have to pay insurance premiums. How does this make sense?

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>>719937597
word.

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>>719937597

Nice.

>>719938673
you realise if everyone had a premium the net cost of each premium would go down.

>>719933221
They wouldn't be called leeches if they didn't leech

>>719944568
But your mother wasn't retired, depending on that money

>>719937597

well done

>>719941634
>We're just different, and we like it. That is why most of us here don't want universal health care.

That sums up the entire thread.
America has to be different to everyone else even if it's detrimental.

>>719937829

go be a dipshit somewhere else

>>719932929
Because the corporations this its more beneficial if you only get to be healthy while employed.
>before you cucks go on about "gimmee" bucks explain our massively bloated Military and how those freeloading faggots shouldnt have to get a real job.

because i dont want my tax money paying for birth control and condoms for middle schoolers

>>719938405

edgelord, time for bed sweetie

Do you know how much healthcare for 400M people costs?

It's a service, not a right.

>>719937648
>>tried to sign up for obamacare
>>get told I make too much money
>>$8 an hour 24 hours part time job
>>have to pay tax for not having insurance
>Fuck obamacare
Man your choice is going to be so much easier when you can't get insurance ! 0$$$$$$$$!!!!

>>719946114

You'd rather they create more idiots so you can then complain about the high crime rate, right?

>>719946268
if they want to make a huge mistake and ruin the rest of their lives they should be free to do that, leave me out of it

>>719932929
Why do people outside the US feel the need to criticize us when most of your healthcare systems are in shambles?

>>719946114
sorry you are a wizard and bitter anon

>>719938405
>Intellectuals love ideas, but their ideas don't actually work.

America is the work of intellectuals. Cry more faggot.

>>719935308
Exactly. Private businesses can pay for roads, schools, that sorf of thing. Then we can have private citizens pay for their schools, too. That way poor people (black people) have no roads, healthcare or insurance, and the rich whites have their McDonald's roads and PepsiCo Schools and hosptials.

>>719937648
you should have gotten an exemption then faggot, not their fault for you not paying attention to what the website tells you to do

>>719946404
i've had more sex than you

>>719943321
Its really easy to sway the retarded republicans to believe whatever you want in america. Just look at trump, 100% lies 100% con man. You can litterely just tell these republicans ANYTHING and they will eat out of your hand as long as it what the want to hear

>obamas a muslums
sure, sound like a good banter
>obamas the founder of isis
SURE, wish fullfilment
>hillary has aids
YES, WHO CARES ABOUT FACTS

Everything I just greentexted is actully real lies. Republicans are litteretly neo nazis at this point. A bunch of traitors.

I will tell you as a natural born american america was never that great in the first place. Just more wish fulfillment.

>>719946215
You know how much the government loses when 1 of those 400,000,000
Has to stop working the rest if their lives due to avoidable illness?

It's better to keep people healthy so they can work and pay taxes.

Because most people deserve to die

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>>719946225
>too much money

>>719946374

How are you going to be "left out of it"? Are you just going to keep taking on loss on housing and moving further and further from the cities these people live in?

You grew up at the expense of other's taxes. Now it's your turn to pay in. Stop being a faggot.

>>719932929
Simple.
We dont subscribe to the belief of the government forcing citizens to take care of each other. Leave that for people to do themselves.

>>719941107
>paying thousands of dollars just to have a baby

fucking hilarious.
glad i live in canada

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>>719946225
8*24*52 ain't even 10000 USD fam, you qualify for medicaid, not Obamacare.

Don't be poor AND dumb.

>>719935308
You sure change your tone when your house is on fire anon and the fire department won't come, because you never funded it

>>719946713

Yes. Wasn't it great when the poor were just corpses in the street and children maimed in sweatshops? MAKE AMERICA 3RD WORLD AGAIN

>>719946383
Lol u wot m8?

Almost every first world western country can boast a better healthcare system than the US. It's embarrassing for you.

>>719932929
Because you must pay 100% sales tax to get it, which doesn't sit well with americans. For one thing we don't make enough money to afford that much tax, and for another thing we don't like the idea of paying for someone else's shit. I haven't been to a doctor in 15 years, while some people go every week. I'd be paying half my income and get nothing for it. That's the part americans don't approve of.

Also, america is nigger land, and niggers abuse the shit out of any free government service. You'd never be able to get your cancer fixed because the system would be clogged up with niggers pretending they're sick to get free pills to sell on the street.

So yeah. Universal healthcare is good and pretty much a necessity in the 1st world, but it can't work here in the USA.

>>719946713
>Leave that for people to do themselves.
And look where we are now, not leading in education, life expectancy, birth survival rates,. At least we are leading in the cost of our healthcare

>>719941261

yet you read all the responses here and its clear americans are brainwashed. They don't have a fucking clue.

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>>719946476
such an autist, I can't even.

>>719933221
Look, a nigger.

>>719946918

Do you really think sales tax is where the majority of funding would come from?

> are you retarded?

>>719932929
You're either using terrible bait, or you really don't know: ACA is the problem, not the concept of universal healthcare.

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>>719946713
oh you dumb fucker, the ACA forced people to take care of themselves and it was the Republican idea proposed in the 90s as an alternative to hillarycare.

Kids like you wouldn't remember, I suppose. Still, shut up while the adults are talking.

>>719947031
you're not disputing his claim, so you agree?

>>719947068
That's how it works in Finland, I hear. Maybe they do it different in other universal healthcare countries.

>>719946646
just because i grew up on taxes for bullshit that means i have to support it now? nice logic

>>719946934
>At least we are leading in the cost of our healthcare

Yep. And make no mistake, big pharma and the doctors and hospitals want it to stay that way.

And in all likelihood, it will.

>>719947191
Hell no.

>>719947310
yeah it kind of does. You want to force upon others that which you never had to experience because you're greedy. That makes a selfish, hypocritical pile of shit.

>>719947310

> Just because I got mine means I need to let others get theirs

Nice logic. You're a selfish little twat.

>>719947027
i mean its hilarious that americans have this idea that they shouldn't have to pay taxes. Sure, but any other system won't work. I mean the quality of life for people in those countries is higher and they pay more taxes. They're not perfect, but those taxes help pay for essential services a society needs in order to not just function but be free happy and successful.

>>719947068
He's looking at a model of other countries, where that's a common system to pay for the healthcare. Ultimately, the source of income is irrelevant, the fact that it's beyond many people's means to pay, and the fact that someone who eats themselves to 500 pounds tends to have several times the medical costs, I wouldn't want universal healthcare either. Now, if we institute a fat tax, along with a few other taxes related to unhealthy habits to subsidize, sure, do it.

Two million landwhales went to DC just to protest Trump. Do you really think "My glandular problem!" will sit by as they get taxed for what they did to themselves, but refuse to accept responsibility for?

>>719947571
in America the poor defend the interests of the rich because they imagine they might be rich one day. That and muh gunz.

>>719946523
>>719944627
So how do we lie them in to a "better" healthcare system?

>>719946918

100% sales tax was the least stupid thing you just upchucked and that is complete fucktard nonsense

>>719947645
so every single protester was obese? prove that claim, and don't use "alternate facts".

>>719946865
All this while you are being literally and figuratively raped by Muslims.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32057948
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-uk-now-has-one-of-the-worst-healthcare-systems-in-the-developed-world-according-to-oecd-report-a6721401.html

>>719947645
>someone who eats themselves to 500 pounds tends to have several times the medical costs

See in canada, and other countries, thats where the government steps in, promoting healthy lifestyle, good choices for food. And its not the 500 pound landwhale thats the problem. Its the millions that are somewhat obeses/obese that can aggravate or lead to problems in the future.

>>719947671
yeah because they're fucking brainwashed and ignorant. Corporate America runs their federal government (especially now) and they don't have a clue about it.

>>719947776
No, that's severe hyperbole. If we take the average spread of American's weights, and trim it from the 35% obese and 33% overweight to 20% of all the people, that's 400k landwhales alone, who are feminists as well. Perfect combination for whining, bitching, complaining, and special snowflaking to get people to do what they want.

>>719947645

no, he is that dumb he thinks that there is a 100% sales tax on the health insurance premium he pays. --it's rightwing urban legend that started by a post on forbes about a sales or excise tax on cadillac health insurance plans and medical devices .

>>719947776
>>719948215
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx
forgot the source

>>719948223
If that is his belief, then I agree he's retarded. He still has a few good points in a pile of shit, though.

>>719947915
This is a steaming load of bullshit. I am an American who lives in Seattle, WA and I travel a lot. The only time I see fat people is when I go to the UK or up to BC for vacation. The only think keeping your average obesity down is immigrants. In the UK the only thin people I see are Muslims in their nightgowns; in Canada the only thin people I see are Indians. Getting back to the UK: I have never seen so many fat fucks waddling around anywhere on the 6/7 continents I have traveled.

>>719938405
That's the difference between a third world country to first world. Don't you understand the US is a first world which means it has the power and ability to make the population grow. Most people don't think about the stages of population growth and health care. The peopl who where born in the 80 are coming to the point of 40+ meaning son they will be out of the work force and need he 2000 kids to become their replacements . If a nation can't continue this healthy balance they will turn like Mexico, Honduras , Brazil etc. These nations are awful in health care and population growth. Death rate is extremely high and this is why they are stuck in third world status because they can't produce a population that has he ability or health to work hard iobs. This is a small portion of a countries growth. The United States was in terrible state in health care.

>>719947876
Thats poor invetment. Bad policies, and the article notes that access to care is generally good. But if you think the U.K. has it bad, you're grossly misinformed.
>2014 study
"U.S. health care system is the most expensive in the world, it ranks last on most dimensions of performance when compared with Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. "

>>719932929
Because neo-cons pay you to hate it.

>>719948215
that's not 2 million chump

>>719948709
I don't think you under stand what first world means. It's a term from the Cold war. The US and its allies were the First World, the USSR and its allies were the Second World, and the rest of the unaffiliated nations, no matter what technological level they had reached, were the Third World.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-World_Model

Has nothing to do with technology, resources, population, or culture.

>>719949266
begone with your facts, he is armed with "alternate facts" and you cannot prevail

>>719949426
His claim is irrelevant, I'm just explaining that he's misusing a term, and therefore could easily be conveying the wrong meaning.

Because we already had a system in place with a fragile ecosystem of multiple people buying into a health care system to then support those who need and when they need it for the saftey net.

Now a lot of the nets are frayed and falling apart because everyone left for "lol free heatlh care I dun care if it is ass." and it ruined the ecosystem that it was made for. Which sucks for people like me who actually enjoyed getting their needed medications for low costs, because obamacare doesn't give me any good coverage on the things I need and I have to deal with massive lines to the government mandated health care facilities instead of having my private doctor that had low waits and enjoyable experiences.

So it fucks over the middle class to give health care to the illegals and retards who can't take care of themselves or get an actual job outside of low level retail at the age of 30+.

>>719934227

On top of this, Barry made it literally illegal to not have his shitty health insurance, so me, having just become an adult when he instituted his shitty plan and being a poor college student, now have to pay like 600 dollars in fines next time I file for taxes because that nigger was like

>huehue gotta get the money for the system somewhere, better fuck everyone that wasn't want to buy into it.

>>719934227
>>719949940

To clarify, it's just illegal to not have health insurance, and I didn't give a fuck to sign up for Obamacare, which should be my fucking right and part of my problem with it.

It's not enough for him to have it available, he needs to stuff it down the throats that don't want to buy into his shitty system or benefit from other people's fucking money.

What's better is that if I didn't have to pay his stupid fucking fines, I would've been able to afford my own health insurance this year.

I wonder if I'll still have to pay the fines now that Obamacare is kill

>>719932929
The same reason we hate free private jets for everyone

>>719932929
Why do you assume that the only way to do that is to have government control health care?

>>719932929
Because the Übermensch cannot look down at the squalls of lesser men and gloat as the normies tear themselves to pieces trying to take one another's female/s and mutilate their pussies with their long velcro nails and rape their troglydite sons with jumper cables and pliers.

>>719949627

This. It rewards lazy people more than anything. I wouldn't mind if we had free healthcare, but with any system, there's going to be people that abuse it. Hell, there's people that abuse it in places where it's successful, but when you look at these countries with super socialized governments, you'll notice that first of all, their culture is tuned much more toward contributing instead of taking, because it's the decent thing to do. And second, you'll notice that these countries often have the total populations of like, some of our fucking cities.

More people = less accountability = less incentive to not just game the system and mooch = more fucktards taking out than there are buying in

Idiots like Bernie can lay out their plans for how they'll work on paper, but at the end of the day, you need to plan for like ten times the amount of people using the system than you intend for them to, and half of them not contributing shit, because this is America, land of the lazy fucking niggers.

And until they learn that, no system will work.

>>719949426
Its turned into a psy-ops holy war, the powers that bes mastery of public opinion has reached the tipping point, rendering the safe guards of sane debate and figures meaningless. wealth can now buy opinion, and thus democracy has been bought and paid for, the two party system has been completely compromised by superpacs. you only choose which corporate masters you prefer. They abolished kings because power was in the hands of the few, and through capitalism power has concentrated once again. you may find like china, freedom and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. No capitalism without the rule of law and morality wishes to maximize profit over all else. Its not hard to guess who the medical companies put there money behind this election, they stand to make huge profits in the coming years, but profit comes at a cost to someone, doesn’t it.

>>719950210
>I wonder if I'll still have to pay the fines now that Obamacare is kill
i wonder this as well. maybe a medicarefag can chime in

>>719932929
Nah, that's why Trump was elected over the "traditional" Republicans. They were all gung-ho about repealing the ACA and nothing else. Meanwhile, Trump spouted rhetoric that ignored Obamacare and instead focused on things Americans are more inclined to care about; the economy, safety, "Americanism", etc.

>>719951049
We're a few decades at most from completely automated, unmanned armies. At that point, someone is going to take over, and the population doesn't matter, because they don't need to keep their soldiers happy. In that case, I'd prefer the Corporate Government that would keep people well enough provided for so long as they work or have money, as that's how the leaders enjoy their money and power, by having customers and laborers and somewhere to spend their money.

>>719950210
I hope not, but I'm sure that won't stop the IRS or some other relative service from coming to collect their debt.

But don't worry! That whole incident of being forced to take obamacare was deemed constitutional due to many bribes and the corruption of the system in place. Just like the same reason Hillary got no prison time for treason and the FBI came out and boldy stated that she will not be punished even though enough evidence is there to convict her. And then go on to state "Just because we didn't punish her, doesn't mean we won't punish you for doing this. So don't do it."

>>719935308
serious question not being sarcastic here.. do you think if someone is born into a shit situation.. say a crack baby with abusive parents who then goes on to have no life skills to sustain themselves.. do you think they should die? or do you think individuals should set up charities and that the state should not intervene at all.. just trying to see the argument for libertarianism

>>719950725
Yet it does in every other developed nation.

Is this serious just a case of America knowing it's too stupid to nor fuck it up somehow, so they'd rather not try to avoid the potential embarrassment?

>>719935481
hey to get some context can i ask how much medicare costs? i have no idea

>>719951474
You mean centuries at least from....

>>719936000
that's hardcore.. are you religious or are you just generally cool with death?

>>719952251
Nope, decades at most.

>>719933216
Seems to be working honestly

>>719951474
I understand the need for wealth, but does wealth give you the right to override the voice of other people? isn't that against democracy? "un-american" or whatever. but is democracy itself flawed if we can vote to deny the freedoms and liberty’s of our fellow man? also drone army is for real, i bet drones would make a much more productive workforce, maybe not so inventive, but i get the feeling like they like the staus quo anyways.

>>719936611
that is really bad! they've got to change that part for sure.. lots of other countries have health care and it sure as hell doesnt work like that. is it because the corporations are stronger than the government?

>>719952592
dude how do i get hot-pockets from being a retard too!

>>719952572
Eh, nice theory, but the days of people being the most valuable commodity are almost over. Jobs are steadily being replaced by basic robots; As soon as they become capable of more generalized tasks, including combat conditions, people won't be worth much any more. The Corporations are the most likely to keep people around and to some degree happy, otherwise you have the people who control the army, and everyone else.

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>>719939870
>MUH TAXES

I'm struggling to see the problem here.

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>>719932929
Why do you believe the weak shouldn't die, do you want to stagnate as a species?

American individualism is an ideology where men believe they are the leaders of their own lives and control their own destinies.
Being told I have to do something immediately makes me not want to do it.
Hands down, the most aggravating part is where someone else will decide to spend your money on anything.

>>719936611
You get fined on your taxes. However, when filing your taxes, if you could not afford healthcare during any month, the fine is waived. That wasn't an original provision, though.

>>719939870
but at some point you need health insurance right.. is it really much cheaper if you go private? how come the government can't compete with that?

>>719952592
The poster is an idiot; the fines are applied at tax time. If you report you couldn't afford insurance, then the fines are waived.

>>719952077

>Every other developed nation

You mean some European nations, where an individual nation is comparable in both size and population to an individual State in the US? And even then not every European nation has managed to do accomplish it successfully.

>Oh b-but Canada

Yeah the entirety of America's hat has a population comparable to California. Nice try, nigger. And even then many of their citizens come to the US because we just have better doctors for shit more complex than the sniffles.

Your statement literally outlined my entire point. Every country with Socialized healthcare is either filthy rich for their size (See: United Arab Emirates) Have very small populations, especially when compared to the US (See: Literally all of them,) or has a culture that supports unity over individualism, making socialized systems extremely viable because the lazy people gaming the system are in the minority due to their culture and upbringing (See: Asian countries)

America is none of these things, and if we instituted socialized healthcare, the one way it could see it working (especially when we look at countries that have done it successfully) is if instead of instituting it on a federal level, we encouraged states to do it on a state level, and even then it's not likely for every state to be able to accomplish that very successfully, for a variety of reasons (reference the reasons why I don't think that it would work on a national level for why.)

>>719941107
Holy shit even here in Mexico that thing is unheard of, only if you want a private hospital that is, if you use the public healthcare that everyone is in right to do so, you wouldn't even have to pay to have said baby.. What the hell??

had a nice $55 BlueShield heathcare plan with a super low deductible, rx, $200k annual coverage & huge network. ACA was signed and my coverage was cancelled because it didn't meet "minimum essential coverage". I check out the healthcare marketplace and the cheapest (Bronze) plan now was $165/month, high deductible and only covers 60% of medical expenses. I was better off before ACA was signed

>>719932929
we hate overpaying for something we'll never use and having to take a second job when niggers get free healthcare and housing and don't work at all.

>>719952851
that poverty rate tho

>>719932929
propaganda

>>719940870
but would you mind paying for lifesaving stuff? cancer patients? premature babies?

>>719933221


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>>719953192

i just want to point out that most of the countries with socialized healthcare also don't have many niggers

just saying

sjws can get mad about it but its true, niggers ruin everything

>>719953192
>Every country with Socialized healthcare is either filthy rich for their size (See: United Arab Emirates) Have very small populations, especially when compared to the US (See: Literally all of them,) or has a culture that supports unity over individualism, making socialized systems extremely viable because the lazy people gaming the system are in the minority due to their culture and upbringing (See: Asian countries)

Most Europeans countries aren't any of this, and they still are getting a better healthcare.

>>719953696

>Have very small populations, especially when compared to the US (See: Literally all of them,)
>aren't any of this

Are you retarded? Not a single european country (unless you count Russia, which doesn't have socialized healthcare) has less than a third of the US's total population, with the majority of them being close to a fifth of its population.

Try again, retard.

>>719953696
And cheaper too.
Americans are spending two or three times more per capita.

>>719952851
The democrats, under Bill Clinton, robbed social security, leaving the pensioners screwed out of the money they paid in, and the government year after year doesn't increase the welfare check to the elderly more than marginal amounts because they have to pay for it out of the year's budget.

Add to that, that we have a literal majority of black people in the country living on welfare, lazy assholes who claim anything for disability or try to sue for anything, morons, and some of the best opportunities for people to get rich, and it really makes you wonder why there's such inequality.

Finally, if you look at the statistics for healthcare rating, that was published in 2014. AFTER the affordable care act.

>>719953934
>>719953696

Has more*** than a third of the US's total population

>>719952420
You're retarded then.

>>719953934
You're the one being retarded here. You want to make a proper comparison, do it right and compare US states to European countries with equivalent population and GDP.
Fucking braindead.

>>719952851
Listen here fancy number man, idk where you get these numbers from but i believe in something, its called America, and precher told me you don't use your head to believe, you use your heart! and i wholeheartedly believe in America!

>>719954024
I'm not saying it will happen within decades, but we will have progressed far enough in technology for it to be possible. After that, vote in the right person, and you've got the American Empire. Rome 2, Electric Boogaloo.

>>719952803
>muh battle robots

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>>719953995
Yeah, keep being deluded and finding excuses.

>>719954124

I FUCKING DID LOL

How much of my post did you read before replying, you fucking mongoloid?

>>719953192

>You mean some European nations, where an individual nation is comparable in both size and population to an individual State in the US? And even then not every European nation has managed to do accomplish it successfully.

>the one way it could see it working (especially when we look at countries that have done it successfully) is if instead of instituting it on a federal level, we encouraged states to do it on a state level, and even then it's not likely for every state to be able to accomplish that very successfully

Come back when you learn to read

>>719937829
the government aren't trying hard enough then.. also why the fuck is tax havens still a thing.. if corporations contributed more to the people who live where they work you might have better services

>>719954198
>idk where you get these numbers from
>literally the OECD, IMF, Fed, US bureau of census, UN, world bank, etc.
>NUMBERS ARE MADE UP, USA USA USA

>>719954248
Right, so, no nation or other entity is even considering a full automated military force. If we get into a big enough war after AI's have been made, they'll probably be put to use in the war effort.

>>719954124
>>719953959
>>719953696

uh did any of you actually read his post

>>719932929
We don't. We hate Obamacare and Bernie is a fucking dumbshit socialist. We have healthcare for everyone... it's called... wait for it... medicare. Yup, had it since WW2. The bill has been in front of Congress for DECADES and hasn't made it past them.

>>719938114
can't they regulate this shit.. don't they have rules to stop these companies taking advantage like this?

>>719933848

You just answered your own problem, budday.

>free for unemployed
>not free for workers

so make it free for everyone. Ausfag here, free healthcare kicks ass - I get sick, I go see a doctor and/or visit an ER, doesnt cost me a cent out of pocket - all paid for with taxes.

I can therefore get on with my life, the govt. provides me with living security and free healthcare - the rest is up to me.

Suck on my dick, americans. You have it so shit. Wake up.

>>719954434
I did, he's just trying to dodge the obvious with poor excuses.
It's not like anyone living in any developed country but the US care much.

>>719936000
What about those with genetic illnesses that cant be like the rest of us - should they be forced to die because of who they are when they were born? That's barbaric.

>>719932929
because muh freedom to be poor or rich
murricans are cucks for themselves, poor bastards

>>719954439
I bet you would make a proud slave

>>719953192
You don't seem to grasp that if 100000 people paying a small tax covers the healthcare of 100000 people that same percentage tax covers 100000000 people.
It's seems unsustainable to America only because you are already so unhealthy.

You're saying if a fruit seller can afford to buy apples at $1 and sell them at a 50% markup, there's no way he could make any money if he had 1000 apples to sell..
He will, he'll make the same amount per apple.
>50% is not the tax before you sperg on that

>>719938405
isn't the opposite happening now though.. you do pay for health care and insurance companies make it impossible for people to reach those costs.
The fact that water still isn't recognised as a human right shows how fucked we are as a species. its only a matter of time before some cunt decides that they own all the water and that you can't have any.. seriously what are we thinking here. Just because someone is born into a rich family it tends to mean they can do what the fuck they want until someone forces them to hand it over.

>>719933080
and you r rich?????? you poor shit

>>719933953
white people are the minorities

>>719953934
You ask if he's retarded, then suggest Russia could be considered Europe.

This is why we laugh at you

>>719955101
...Part of Russia is in Europe

Are you people trolling me?

>>719954258
>I FUCKING DID LOL
No, you only did it when it suited your argument.

You're implying that european healthcares can't be compared to what can be done in the US because the US as a whole are bigger and more populated than euro countries, which is a poor attempt at dodging the acknowledgment that your socioeconomic system is just fucked up to its very roots.

California and Texas are the wealthiest states, merged together you get the population and GDP of France, but with double the poverty rate.

>>719953995
Bil was a conservitard in disguise.
Just like trump is a libtard in disguise.

>>719954795
I'm sorry, is learning something you didn't know making your head hurt? Medicare <- the single payer Healthcare system that all the fuck hole millineal crybaby neckbeards want but don't deserve. They are just too stupid to realize it.

>>719954220
You can't win a war without sending in ground troops.
We are not even feasibly close to having autonomous robots that could do this.

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Government has taught us to. Too many wealthy CEOs and large corporations set to lose money if he we transition to single payer, so they put the poor against one another and call anyone who advocates free healthcare a lazy communist

>>719954426
People considered it in the 50s.
Consideration is irrelevant.

>>719932929
There is no such fucking fairytale as "healthcare for everyone." Even if there was, the Aca was far from it.

>>719932929

because they were brainwashed in the 80's by regan to think it was bad, because he was in the pocket of the insurance companies that didn't want the competition.

>>719954541

/thread

America has cucked itself by making its poor hate other poor people. Master class in class-warfare right here.

>>719955351
Quantum computing is a thing now, and they've already been experimenting with crystal memory for a while. Think Moore's law, but much faster thanks to 6 states instead of 2.

>>719954541
2% tax I might add before misinformed Americans start making up numbers.

Americans truly believe they cant afford 2 cents from each dollar they earn?
Poor cunts

>>719952851
>Comparing the USA to one country that is only 1/8th the size of the country thus meaning less people to reign over, less people falling through the cracks, and in general less land to cover.
>Expecting to get quality care of the citizens of the USA when the size of the country is so massive and with the population so much greater than the other countries.

318.9 million (2014) - USA
64.1 million (2013) - UK

Gee, these are some fair comparisons. It's a lot eaiser and less effort to pay for shit when lower populations, but because it works for one country doesn't mean it works for our infastructure which have to over WAY more people than they do along with pay for them, while still giving people whose a burden free money from whatever system they are using. Social security, welfare, unemployment whatever else.

I like when idiots like you complain about this shit but don't realize land size and population matter. But the fact you have to correlate each COUNTRY to a state is really sad and shows your ignorance of how different everything is.

But keep comparing apples to oranges and keep thinking that you are actually making a valid argument.

>>719954697
this is literally what a nazi would say.. welcome to 1939.. the dis-enlightenment has begun. If this is what we've come to i think we should just have a nuclear war and get this over with quickly

>>719955169
Part of America is in Russia
Therefore America can be considered Russia

You're trolling yourself it seems

We have almost 4x the population that Germany does, spread out over about 27x times the land mass

>>719955290

>can't be compared to what can be done in the US because the US as a whole are bigger and more populated than euro countries,

...and because the culture is different... and because like 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes... and because being one person in a 300 million person system isn't very compelling to promote accountability...

We can keep going in circles if you want, but all you keep doing is latching onto one of my several points and attacking that one point without acknowledging the others.

If it were just one factor at play, then sure it'd probably be easy enough to get around it. But it's several factors working together.

This is, again, why I suggested that it might be possible for some, richer states to accomplish universal healthcare on their own, comparable to the richer countries of Europe (several countries in Europe do not have socialized healthcare probably for reasons similar to why I've outlined that it can't work in the US on a federal level.)

>>719955641
What the fuck does that have to do with having hardware which could do that job?

We will not have a robot that can perform the job of infantry effectively for a lot longer than you seem to think.

Current robots can be taken down with a banana peel, and can barely get up again without help

>>719955713
Uh, no. Try again. It would cost a lot more than a 2% tax. Giving healthcare to everyone caused premiums to shoot up so that for the same coverage you're paying anywhere from 8x-30x as much as before ACA. And that's not even covering all the costs, many of which you still have to pay for even on 2k+/person plans.

>>719955713
seriously where the fuck is all this consumption coming from.. how do you guys get so fucking fat and use up so much oil when you are so poor.. and thats the MIDDLE class.

>>719932929
There are lots of people that see that as government intrusion/overreach
-there are also a lot of people that flatly don't want to pay taxes, and don't want to pay anything else to the government

>>719955925

...You're trolling. Europe is a continent. Countries can be in several continents. Like Russia.

Continents can't be in several continents (???) unless by America you mean the United States, in which case holy fuck why am I actually explaining this to you?

>>719955343
see this is catch the though, you don't call it slavery, and you give them money in the company store, to buy there basic human needs, but just enough, maybe if there good they get enough for some distractions to take them away from there shit existence, if there good employees. Now i as your owner, i get the loins share, because i do all that hard thinking for you. maybe you can train yourself at your own expense, i love it when they new tricks for me.

>>719955791
Literally every single European country managed to set up a universal healthcare relying to numbers to work, but the US can't despite having so much more people.
What you're saying here is that the US are just terrible at organizing their shit, and can't do it on either a federal or a state-level.

If anything, that poor "b- but European countries are smaller!" argument is actually making your argument more ridiculous.

>>719955791
Doesn't understand per capita
Percentages, which is how tax is paid, is irrelevant to the total number.
The percentage will remain the same no matter how many people.

>>719932929
they shouldn't

everyone who hates healthcare for everyone is blind.

ohhh get a job, just pay for it yourself.


yeah okay america, what if we just take away all those loans you recieve from the government? get a job and save up for your house yourself

yeah suck a dick

>>719953192

This.

>>719956206
And how long ago did we start making robots?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7nLQpWiy1o

We're already at this point. With the exponential increase in computing power that occurs over time, along with advanced in a number of system related to balance and movement, decades is reasonably, especially if someone gets far enough to sell promising prototypes and research to a wealthy government's military program.

>>719956392

Not the person you replied to but

Trying to work a system with 1/3 billion people is a lot harder than trying to work a system with a 5th of that. This is why federal healthcare is stupid because there's so many logistical hoops to jump through that could be avoided by just doing it on a state level and letting people in their states vote for it or not instead of trying to stuff it down everyone's throat Ala obama care

>>719956250
No, it's 2% Medicare tax.
It is 2%
Im Not saying it could be 2%
It IS 2%

>>719956250
That's because your healthcare costs per capita in US of fucking A are so high, compared to other nations, like Australia.

We pay 2% p/a in tax, and the gov. also kicks in a little extra from income tax and etc.. And we have a public health care system.

Try again, amerifag.

>>719956293
What a retard

>>719955713
I'd rather have my taxes go towards repaying the 20 trillion dollars of debt we've got.

>>719956712
Are you saying that a 2% tax would be enough to have free healthcare for all Americans?

>>719956145
>because like 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes
Then change that.
For literally 50 years, the highest revenues in the US had a +70% taxation rate, with peaks to 80 and even 90%, and those were the years the American middle class was the wealthiest and had the world highest quality of life.
Then Reagan took office, and 35 years later, 80% of the American population either stagnated or got poorer despite your GDP doubling.

But you won't change that because taxation is akin to communism to you.
So the US will keep falling and whining about it.

>>719956819

You done?

why in every country its always the minority how come??? its imposseble. murican say its mexico when you go to mexico the say its colmbia when you go colombia yhe say brasil brasil will say its peru peru will say its muricans its so weak always pointing the finger

>>719956254

What are you talking about? We're talking about healthcare, not oil consumption..

>>719956250
Obamacare didn't cause the skyrocket in premiums, it was just a convenient excuse for the insurance companies to do so.

>>719956896

>Then change that

I hope that we do. But making a system paid for by about half of the population that EVERYONE takes out of is asking for trouble. Surely you can see that?

There are several steps we need to take before we even consider free ANYTHING at a federal level being a viable option. And trying to accomplish that right now without having a solid foundation for it is just asking for failure.

>>719956602
So we're at the point of a toddler, or drunk adult relying on a power cable.

Put a full kit of combat gear worth of weight and see how great it is.

You're way off on your estimations

>>719956706
I do agree, which is why the initiative should come from the top but the US states should be the one managing it.
It's just logical, and would be similar to how it works in Europe.

>>719956848
But they won't, so that's irrelevant.

>>719957192
The power cable just means they didn't have to worry about power for the demonstration. They aren't a battery company, they're a robotics company. As far as combat gear weight, why wouldn't it be built into the robot? Combat gear is for an ill suited body made of squishy flesh that can't just be replaced with a thick piece of metal.

Embezzlement, nepotism and "financial oversight" is a big thing in public sector America. It probably exists in welfare states like Sweden, Norway, France, etc But it's probably not as prevalent. Maybe because they're smaller countries where efficiency is key and you just can't throw money at a problem.

still we have the issue of health insurance companies can still lobby and buy lax regulations through congress. Which really is one step removed from above, same shit different sewer

>>719934850
That's stupid here in Canada they always ask for a healthcard and If you don't have one you have to pay

>>719956893
Probably not initially, But that wouldn't be hard to figure out.
But that because there's so much unnessecary health problems due to the current system.
After people had access to no out of pocket healthcare, it would lead to less healthcare needed, and more people back in the workforce contributing to taxes.

If 2% from each person in Aus covers all Australians, then 2% from all Americans should cover all Americans.
That's how percentages work.

The only difference in that consideration is if one group currently need more healthcare per person, which shouldn't be the case, But sadly it is

>>719956925
What a retard

>>719956893

Yes. That's the reason it's crazy we don't have it. We've been trained to believe that healthcare SHOULD cost more.

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>>719957735

No, because healthcare costs per capita in 'Murica are much, much higher than in any other country on the planet.
Pic related.

>>719957437
So now it's magic batteries and weightless gear?

Please stop.
You're being ridiculous and it's not even relevant to the thread

>>719957161
so the half doesnt work???/ the do meth all day???

>>719957885

Shoudl also add, that's because you have let your insurance companies and doctors dictate prices - doctors in america earn way more than they need to - especially with other countries doctors doing the same job for less (still a lot, but in Muricaland it's way way too high)