It only benefits those who are jobless, and rates were jacked up for the rest. Imagine paying $1200 a month for insurance, not including dental, and having a $12,000 deductible. Meanwhile it's basically free for the unemployed.
>>719933221 Its becuase there were alot of people abusing it and it wasnt minorities it was alot of white people doing it reason there is so many overwieght people in america and the people that actually needed it couldnt becuase of the amount of abusers using it that were completely capable of making a living but didnt want to have to do anything other then just stay home all the time and claim benifits
Because its not fair to take money from someone to give it to another for arbitrary reasons. In cases of extreme poverty it may be ok, but we beleive in individuality and self-sustinence. Take care of yourself and you wont have to rely on others to take care of you. Also, speaking as a libertarian, taxation is theft.
>>719934779 Basically this, I'll be a fuccboi Stanley if i'm going to pay monthly for a service I can't use just so nignogs and old poors can get to die in a hospital room. Add to that the fact that certain Doctors have been defrauding medicare for decades, causing massive inflation in a market where the only deciding factor on price is how much whoever owns the building wants to fuck you over.
Serious question, why doesn't (or wouldn't) universal healthcare work for Americans?
I'm German and pay a bit less than 100 bucks per month for my health insurance (having one is mandatory) and the service I receive for it is outstanding. Like, I had a torn meniscus once and the guy who fixed it literally invented the technique for it and was flown out to treat some national sports team the day before. My mother (same insurance) suffers from cancer and got experimental drugs that cost about 10k a shot and may very well have saved her life. Hell, I don't even have to pay for my therapy sessions or my asthma medicine, which would cost me more than I could reasonably afford, and even homeopathic stuff would be covered if I gave a damn about it.
Now I'm genuinely wondering, since this seems to improve the quality of life of many people by a lot and obviously works around here, seeing how nobody wants to leave the country for that and insurance companies are alive and well too, why would the same not work for the USA?
>>719932929 because it costs the people that work more money and the way life is for the "working man" under the niggers administration those who work barely made it and those who didn't work got to sit back on their asses and reap the benefits. i hope that changed.
>>719933080 And from what I have learned from living in America my whole life... everyone will defend tax raises for the rich, because everyone believes it will affect them somehow. THE RICH EARNED THOSE TAX CUTS BUT FUCK THE POOR BECAUSE THEIR 150 DOLLAR WELFARE CHECK CAME OUT OF MY POCKET!
300,000,000,000 a year to oil companies as tax-cut and/or subsidies is fine though.
because those of us who watch our weight, don't do retarded things like extreme sports, don't go to the ER every time we have a fever, and tend to our own wounds are being forced to pay into private insurance so that executives with million-dollar salaries can still turn a profit after being forced to pay the hospital bills of the obese and stupid.
>>719932929 I'll put it simple. Obamacare obliged you to go to a specific doc, you cannot choose. This made docs do a worse job, because it killed competition under which docs were forced to perform best.
Huh? A natural and gradual "thinning of the herd"...little to reduced copay means more money for the medical industry and a jackpot for pharmaceutical companies. The American people have no choice in the matter...
>>719932929 Well, that's a long answer. Suffice it to say we have this myth of being a meritocracy, where people are led to believe that if they work hard they will be rewarded in the same measure of how hard they worked. This is of course not true, hard work CAN pay off but it sure doesn't always. This myth also feeds into the idea that if someone has a lot of wealth and power, it means they worked hard enough to EARN that wealth and power which leads to this weird cultural bugaboo that if you're rich, it means you earned everything you have, you're a hard worker and therefore a good person. This is also not always true. Now, the position that those less fortunate are merely mooching off the rest of the tax payers who play by the rules is also very complex but it can in part be attributed to those tax payers (who also get gvmt assistance in others ways such as tax credits for children and owning a home,but lets not muddy the waters) believing that those who take gvmt assistance are lazy and therefore bad people who do not deserve said assistance. It's a bit of a logic loop and it's part of the reason we are where we are.
>>719937316 >works in corporate strategy for one of the large healthcare insurance providers Yeah... Like your opinion will be in any way unbiased. Our LEGALLY MANDATED private insurance premiums pay your salary, you leech.
>>719937829 That's absurd. Do you know how much the CEO of one of those insurance companies makes? How many people he has on his personal staff? What they make? The cost of their vehicles? Their offices? Their call centers? The tens of thousands of employees? The ad campaign? All that PLUS the profit margin comes from one thing and one thing only: money taken in by premiums and NOT paid to hospitals for health care.
Healthcare is a need not a right. A human has to provide that health care for you, it's their right to charge as much or as little as they want for it. It is not societies duty to pay that man what he charges for his service. It's your problem.
Why shouldn't we just have universal food? Food establishments should just be required to feed anyone who walks in and the government should reimburse them later.
Why shouldn't water be free? Water is essential for life, and the fact that the city charges you for how much you use is rediculous.
Why shouldn't energy be free? In todays world you need electricity to function, and to heat your home. Shouldn't the government pick up the tab for warming houses, you wouldn't want ot leave someone to freeze to death would you?
Why shouldn't Internet be free? Restricting access to information by keeping the internet out of the hands of the poor is inhumane! Internet should be provided by the government for free!
A government big enough to give you anything, is big enough to take anything away. Communism was the failure of the 20th century. And Western intellectuals loved the idea of it the entire time.
Intellectuals love ideas, but their ideas don't actually work.
>>719938544 In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice they're not.
Communism is a complete and total failure, and it cost over 100 million people their lives. Capitalism and a free market has proven time and time again to be the most compassionate and fair economic system.
>>719938717 I'm not telling you communism works m8, I'm telling you that generalisations like that are utterly retarded Intellectuals love ideas and many of them work, doesn't mean they have to There's also lots of intellectuals arguing for capitalism
>>719938717 How is Capitalism proven to work? All we have now is an increasly gigantic bubble pending to burst. You need to open your eyes anon, giving billions of dollars to complete retards is idiotic by default.
Also communism isn't the only alternative. We need artificial selection.
>>719936784 You are actually paying for it. You pay 42% in taxes if you are in the middle class. 42!!! That is almost HALF your income already gone. THEN you have 5.5% on TOP of this for some other BS solidarity tax. Holy fuck dude.
I made almost $150K last year, you know what I paid in taxes? Less than 23%. Seriously. That is almost a $30,000 difference in what I would take home here vs. Deutschland. And you guys don't spend SHIT on national military vs the US.
>>719939870 42% is literally the highest percentage you can pay and seriously far from middle class, especially if you consider the cost of living around here. Besides, what's your point? Of course we're paying for it, how would anything ever be free?
And while we're at it, my insurance company happens to be an entirely private company that is in no way directly supported by the government, so how are my taxes related to that?
>>719940767 I'm saying those in the USA who get all uptight about 'paying for it' don't realize just how much more than other countries they already pay towards healthcare if you compare the percentage of countries' GDP spending on healthcare.
>>719940256 No, you don't. We don't have to here either. In a very little mentioned thing - if you tell the hospital that you will NOT be using insurance, you will pay MUCH less. I'm talking about 80% less.
First baby cost me $10K with insurance. Paid cash for #3 - only cost me $2500.
>>719941107 >only cost me $2500 >only In some countries (with medical treatment of about equal quality) that will get you more than 2 years worth of insurance. You could literally have three babies and get help for every other medical problem you have during that time.
>>719941107 You don't pay the insurance for times, when you have the money. You pay the insurance for times, you no longer have money. It may be, that this sense of security, ie. better to have it and don't need it, rather than need it and don't have it, is not part of the american mentality.
And I really hope, you didn't want to tell me that you have to pay 400% out of your own pocket, if you use insurance
>>719932929 No, republicans just hate obama cus he's a Democrat and because he's a brown man so much they are willing to let americans die by removing healthcare with no solution or replacement simply because the healthcare is associated with obama and his legacy.
Racists may be shooting themselves in the face, but thats expected, becuase racists don't work on logic.
The only question is, with republicans in power of senate and house and pres who will they blame now?
>>719941634 >50K >well in the lower range of middle class I'm sorry, but that's just delusional. That's upper middleclass in Germany at the very least, if not more. While I get your point of view and the philosophy behind it, it seems obvious that in practice, it doesn't work as well as other systems. The USA aren't exactly a healthy country and in pretty much every healthy country, bankruptcy due to medical issues is hardly a problem at all.
>>719941179 It really is... it's just frustrating seeing that we could have such a better system to take care of our people, but our government doesn't give a fuck and the brainwashed masses defend the government because "murika". =/
My country has provincial based universal healthcare that bakes in my income tax in to the insurance system. Whenever I go to a healthcare clinic or a hospital, be it private or state owned, my provincial insurance will pay out a standard fee for the visit based on what I got fixed for plus I will personally pay a visit fee (10-30€).
This system has some flaws, but for the most part it achieves two important things. Its economically and bureaucratically efficient, and everyone gets proper healthcare in time which minimizes the chance of more costs down the line. The visitor fees also keep system abusers away.
Now, freedom and socialism aside, why doesn't the US simply just copy this kind of system? I know we manage to afford it despite having the same gdp per capita as the poorest states in the US.
>>719943942 >Social Security is in the tank and has been for 20 years. Imagine if they got SS privatized when bush wanted, right before the housing collapse. How many americans would be homeless right now?
>>719932929 Because the corporations this its more beneficial if you only get to be healthy while employed. >before you cucks go on about "gimmee" bucks explain our massively bloated Military and how those freeloading faggots shouldnt have to get a real job.
>>719937648 >>tried to sign up for obamacare >>get told I make too much money >>$8 an hour 24 hours part time job >>have to pay tax for not having insurance >Fuck obamacare Man your choice is going to be so much easier when you can't get insurance ! 0$$$$$$$$!!!!
>>719935308 Exactly. Private businesses can pay for roads, schools, that sorf of thing. Then we can have private citizens pay for their schools, too. That way poor people (black people) have no roads, healthcare or insurance, and the rich whites have their McDonald's roads and PepsiCo Schools and hosptials.
>>719943321 Its really easy to sway the retarded republicans to believe whatever you want in america. Just look at trump, 100% lies 100% con man. You can litterely just tell these republicans ANYTHING and they will eat out of your hand as long as it what the want to hear
>obamas a muslums sure, sound like a good banter >obamas the founder of isis SURE, wish fullfilment >hillary has aids YES, WHO CARES ABOUT FACTS
Everything I just greentexted is actully real lies. Republicans are litteretly neo nazis at this point. A bunch of traitors.
I will tell you as a natural born american america was never that great in the first place. Just more wish fulfillment.
>>719932929 Because you must pay 100% sales tax to get it, which doesn't sit well with americans. For one thing we don't make enough money to afford that much tax, and for another thing we don't like the idea of paying for someone else's shit. I haven't been to a doctor in 15 years, while some people go every week. I'd be paying half my income and get nothing for it. That's the part americans don't approve of.
Also, america is nigger land, and niggers abuse the shit out of any free government service. You'd never be able to get your cancer fixed because the system would be clogged up with niggers pretending they're sick to get free pills to sell on the street.
So yeah. Universal healthcare is good and pretty much a necessity in the 1st world, but it can't work here in the USA.
>>719947027 i mean its hilarious that americans have this idea that they shouldn't have to pay taxes. Sure, but any other system won't work. I mean the quality of life for people in those countries is higher and they pay more taxes. They're not perfect, but those taxes help pay for essential services a society needs in order to not just function but be free happy and successful.
>>719947068 He's looking at a model of other countries, where that's a common system to pay for the healthcare. Ultimately, the source of income is irrelevant, the fact that it's beyond many people's means to pay, and the fact that someone who eats themselves to 500 pounds tends to have several times the medical costs, I wouldn't want universal healthcare either. Now, if we institute a fat tax, along with a few other taxes related to unhealthy habits to subsidize, sure, do it.
Two million landwhales went to DC just to protest Trump. Do you really think "My glandular problem!" will sit by as they get taxed for what they did to themselves, but refuse to accept responsibility for?
>>719946865 All this while you are being literally and figuratively raped by Muslims. http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32057948 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-uk-now-has-one-of-the-worst-healthcare-systems-in-the-developed-world-according-to-oecd-report-a6721401.html
>>719947645 >someone who eats themselves to 500 pounds tends to have several times the medical costs
See in canada, and other countries, thats where the government steps in, promoting healthy lifestyle, good choices for food. And its not the 500 pound landwhale thats the problem. Its the millions that are somewhat obeses/obese that can aggravate or lead to problems in the future.
>>719947776 No, that's severe hyperbole. If we take the average spread of American's weights, and trim it from the 35% obese and 33% overweight to 20% of all the people, that's 400k landwhales alone, who are feminists as well. Perfect combination for whining, bitching, complaining, and special snowflaking to get people to do what they want.
no, he is that dumb he thinks that there is a 100% sales tax on the health insurance premium he pays. --it's rightwing urban legend that started by a post on forbes about a sales or excise tax on cadillac health insurance plans and medical devices .
>>719947915 This is a steaming load of bullshit. I am an American who lives in Seattle, WA and I travel a lot. The only time I see fat people is when I go to the UK or up to BC for vacation. The only think keeping your average obesity down is immigrants. In the UK the only thin people I see are Muslims in their nightgowns; in Canada the only thin people I see are Indians. Getting back to the UK: I have never seen so many fat fucks waddling around anywhere on the 6/7 continents I have traveled.
>>719938405 That's the difference between a third world country to first world. Don't you understand the US is a first world which means it has the power and ability to make the population grow. Most people don't think about the stages of population growth and health care. The peopl who where born in the 80 are coming to the point of 40+ meaning son they will be out of the work force and need he 2000 kids to become their replacements . If a nation can't continue this healthy balance they will turn like Mexico, Honduras , Brazil etc. These nations are awful in health care and population growth. Death rate is extremely high and this is why they are stuck in third world status because they can't produce a population that has he ability or health to work hard iobs. This is a small portion of a countries growth. The United States was in terrible state in health care.
>>719947876 Thats poor invetment. Bad policies, and the article notes that access to care is generally good. But if you think the U.K. has it bad, you're grossly misinformed. >2014 study "U.S. health care system is the most expensive in the world, it ranks last on most dimensions of performance when compared with Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. "
>>719948709 I don't think you under stand what first world means. It's a term from the Cold war. The US and its allies were the First World, the USSR and its allies were the Second World, and the rest of the unaffiliated nations, no matter what technological level they had reached, were the Third World.
Has nothing to do with technology, resources, population, or culture.
Because we already had a system in place with a fragile ecosystem of multiple people buying into a health care system to then support those who need and when they need it for the saftey net.
Now a lot of the nets are frayed and falling apart because everyone left for "lol free heatlh care I dun care if it is ass." and it ruined the ecosystem that it was made for. Which sucks for people like me who actually enjoyed getting their needed medications for low costs, because obamacare doesn't give me any good coverage on the things I need and I have to deal with massive lines to the government mandated health care facilities instead of having my private doctor that had low waits and enjoyable experiences.
So it fucks over the middle class to give health care to the illegals and retards who can't take care of themselves or get an actual job outside of low level retail at the age of 30+.
On top of this, Barry made it literally illegal to not have his shitty health insurance, so me, having just become an adult when he instituted his shitty plan and being a poor college student, now have to pay like 600 dollars in fines next time I file for taxes because that nigger was like
>huehue gotta get the money for the system somewhere, better fuck everyone that wasn't want to buy into it.
>>719932929 Because the Übermensch cannot look down at the squalls of lesser men and gloat as the normies tear themselves to pieces trying to take one another's female/s and mutilate their pussies with their long velcro nails and rape their troglydite sons with jumper cables and pliers.
This. It rewards lazy people more than anything. I wouldn't mind if we had free healthcare, but with any system, there's going to be people that abuse it. Hell, there's people that abuse it in places where it's successful, but when you look at these countries with super socialized governments, you'll notice that first of all, their culture is tuned much more toward contributing instead of taking, because it's the decent thing to do. And second, you'll notice that these countries often have the total populations of like, some of our fucking cities.
More people = less accountability = less incentive to not just game the system and mooch = more fucktards taking out than there are buying in
Idiots like Bernie can lay out their plans for how they'll work on paper, but at the end of the day, you need to plan for like ten times the amount of people using the system than you intend for them to, and half of them not contributing shit, because this is America, land of the lazy fucking niggers.
>>719949426 Its turned into a psy-ops holy war, the powers that bes mastery of public opinion has reached the tipping point, rendering the safe guards of sane debate and figures meaningless. wealth can now buy opinion, and thus democracy has been bought and paid for, the two party system has been completely compromised by superpacs. you only choose which corporate masters you prefer. They abolished kings because power was in the hands of the few, and through capitalism power has concentrated once again. you may find like china, freedom and capitalism are not mutually exclusive. No capitalism without the rule of law and morality wishes to maximize profit over all else. Its not hard to guess who the medical companies put there money behind this election, they stand to make huge profits in the coming years, but profit comes at a cost to someone, doesn’t it.
>>719932929 Nah, that's why Trump was elected over the "traditional" Republicans. They were all gung-ho about repealing the ACA and nothing else. Meanwhile, Trump spouted rhetoric that ignored Obamacare and instead focused on things Americans are more inclined to care about; the economy, safety, "Americanism", etc.
>>719951049 We're a few decades at most from completely automated, unmanned armies. At that point, someone is going to take over, and the population doesn't matter, because they don't need to keep their soldiers happy. In that case, I'd prefer the Corporate Government that would keep people well enough provided for so long as they work or have money, as that's how the leaders enjoy their money and power, by having customers and laborers and somewhere to spend their money.
>>719950210 I hope not, but I'm sure that won't stop the IRS or some other relative service from coming to collect their debt.
But don't worry! That whole incident of being forced to take obamacare was deemed constitutional due to many bribes and the corruption of the system in place. Just like the same reason Hillary got no prison time for treason and the FBI came out and boldy stated that she will not be punished even though enough evidence is there to convict her. And then go on to state "Just because we didn't punish her, doesn't mean we won't punish you for doing this. So don't do it."
>>719935308 serious question not being sarcastic here.. do you think if someone is born into a shit situation.. say a crack baby with abusive parents who then goes on to have no life skills to sustain themselves.. do you think they should die? or do you think individuals should set up charities and that the state should not intervene at all.. just trying to see the argument for libertarianism
>>719951474 I understand the need for wealth, but does wealth give you the right to override the voice of other people? isn't that against democracy? "un-american" or whatever. but is democracy itself flawed if we can vote to deny the freedoms and liberty’s of our fellow man? also drone army is for real, i bet drones would make a much more productive workforce, maybe not so inventive, but i get the feeling like they like the staus quo anyways.
>>719936611 that is really bad! they've got to change that part for sure.. lots of other countries have health care and it sure as hell doesnt work like that. is it because the corporations are stronger than the government?
>>719952572 Eh, nice theory, but the days of people being the most valuable commodity are almost over. Jobs are steadily being replaced by basic robots; As soon as they become capable of more generalized tasks, including combat conditions, people won't be worth much any more. The Corporations are the most likely to keep people around and to some degree happy, otherwise you have the people who control the army, and everyone else.
American individualism is an ideology where men believe they are the leaders of their own lives and control their own destinies. Being told I have to do something immediately makes me not want to do it. Hands down, the most aggravating part is where someone else will decide to spend your money on anything.
You mean some European nations, where an individual nation is comparable in both size and population to an individual State in the US? And even then not every European nation has managed to do accomplish it successfully.
>Oh b-but Canada
Yeah the entirety of America's hat has a population comparable to California. Nice try, nigger. And even then many of their citizens come to the US because we just have better doctors for shit more complex than the sniffles.
Your statement literally outlined my entire point. Every country with Socialized healthcare is either filthy rich for their size (See: United Arab Emirates) Have very small populations, especially when compared to the US (See: Literally all of them,) or has a culture that supports unity over individualism, making socialized systems extremely viable because the lazy people gaming the system are in the minority due to their culture and upbringing (See: Asian countries)
America is none of these things, and if we instituted socialized healthcare, the one way it could see it working (especially when we look at countries that have done it successfully) is if instead of instituting it on a federal level, we encouraged states to do it on a state level, and even then it's not likely for every state to be able to accomplish that very successfully, for a variety of reasons (reference the reasons why I don't think that it would work on a national level for why.)
>>719941107 Holy shit even here in Mexico that thing is unheard of, only if you want a private hospital that is, if you use the public healthcare that everyone is in right to do so, you wouldn't even have to pay to have said baby.. What the hell??
had a nice $55 BlueShield heathcare plan with a super low deductible, rx, $200k annual coverage & huge network. ACA was signed and my coverage was cancelled because it didn't meet "minimum essential coverage". I check out the healthcare marketplace and the cheapest (Bronze) plan now was $165/month, high deductible and only covers 60% of medical expenses. I was better off before ACA was signed
>>719953192 >Every country with Socialized healthcare is either filthy rich for their size (See: United Arab Emirates) Have very small populations, especially when compared to the US (See: Literally all of them,) or has a culture that supports unity over individualism, making socialized systems extremely viable because the lazy people gaming the system are in the minority due to their culture and upbringing (See: Asian countries)
Most Europeans countries aren't any of this, and they still are getting a better healthcare.
>Have very small populations, especially when compared to the US (See: Literally all of them,) >aren't any of this
Are you retarded? Not a single european country (unless you count Russia, which doesn't have socialized healthcare) has less than a third of the US's total population, with the majority of them being close to a fifth of its population.
>>719952851 The democrats, under Bill Clinton, robbed social security, leaving the pensioners screwed out of the money they paid in, and the government year after year doesn't increase the welfare check to the elderly more than marginal amounts because they have to pay for it out of the year's budget.
Add to that, that we have a literal majority of black people in the country living on welfare, lazy assholes who claim anything for disability or try to sue for anything, morons, and some of the best opportunities for people to get rich, and it really makes you wonder why there's such inequality.
Finally, if you look at the statistics for healthcare rating, that was published in 2014. AFTER the affordable care act.
>>719952851 Listen here fancy number man, idk where you get these numbers from but i believe in something, its called America, and precher told me you don't use your head to believe, you use your heart! and i wholeheartedly believe in America!
>>719954024 I'm not saying it will happen within decades, but we will have progressed far enough in technology for it to be possible. After that, vote in the right person, and you've got the American Empire. Rome 2, Electric Boogaloo.
>You mean some European nations, where an individual nation is comparable in both size and population to an individual State in the US? And even then not every European nation has managed to do accomplish it successfully.
>the one way it could see it working (especially when we look at countries that have done it successfully) is if instead of instituting it on a federal level, we encouraged states to do it on a state level, and even then it's not likely for every state to be able to accomplish that very successfully
>>719937829 the government aren't trying hard enough then.. also why the fuck is tax havens still a thing.. if corporations contributed more to the people who live where they work you might have better services
>>719954248 Right, so, no nation or other entity is even considering a full automated military force. If we get into a big enough war after AI's have been made, they'll probably be put to use in the war effort.
>>719932929 We don't. We hate Obamacare and Bernie is a fucking dumbshit socialist. We have healthcare for everyone... it's called... wait for it... medicare. Yup, had it since WW2. The bill has been in front of Congress for DECADES and hasn't made it past them.
>>719953192 You don't seem to grasp that if 100000 people paying a small tax covers the healthcare of 100000 people that same percentage tax covers 100000000 people. It's seems unsustainable to America only because you are already so unhealthy.
You're saying if a fruit seller can afford to buy apples at $1 and sell them at a 50% markup, there's no way he could make any money if he had 1000 apples to sell.. He will, he'll make the same amount per apple. >50% is not the tax before you sperg on that
>>719938405 isn't the opposite happening now though.. you do pay for health care and insurance companies make it impossible for people to reach those costs. The fact that water still isn't recognised as a human right shows how fucked we are as a species. its only a matter of time before some cunt decides that they own all the water and that you can't have any.. seriously what are we thinking here. Just because someone is born into a rich family it tends to mean they can do what the fuck they want until someone forces them to hand it over.
>>719954258 >I FUCKING DID LOL No, you only did it when it suited your argument.
You're implying that european healthcares can't be compared to what can be done in the US because the US as a whole are bigger and more populated than euro countries, which is a poor attempt at dodging the acknowledgment that your socioeconomic system is just fucked up to its very roots.
California and Texas are the wealthiest states, merged together you get the population and GDP of France, but with double the poverty rate.
>>719954795 I'm sorry, is learning something you didn't know making your head hurt? Medicare <- the single payer Healthcare system that all the fuck hole millineal crybaby neckbeards want but don't deserve. They are just too stupid to realize it.
Government has taught us to. Too many wealthy CEOs and large corporations set to lose money if he we transition to single payer, so they put the poor against one another and call anyone who advocates free healthcare a lazy communist
>>719952851 >Comparing the USA to one country that is only 1/8th the size of the country thus meaning less people to reign over, less people falling through the cracks, and in general less land to cover. >Expecting to get quality care of the citizens of the USA when the size of the country is so massive and with the population so much greater than the other countries.
318.9 million (2014) - USA 64.1 million (2013) - UK
Gee, these are some fair comparisons. It's a lot eaiser and less effort to pay for shit when lower populations, but because it works for one country doesn't mean it works for our infastructure which have to over WAY more people than they do along with pay for them, while still giving people whose a burden free money from whatever system they are using. Social security, welfare, unemployment whatever else.
I like when idiots like you complain about this shit but don't realize land size and population matter. But the fact you have to correlate each COUNTRY to a state is really sad and shows your ignorance of how different everything is.
But keep comparing apples to oranges and keep thinking that you are actually making a valid argument.
>>719954697 this is literally what a nazi would say.. welcome to 1939.. the dis-enlightenment has begun. If this is what we've come to i think we should just have a nuclear war and get this over with quickly
>can't be compared to what can be done in the US because the US as a whole are bigger and more populated than euro countries,
...and because the culture is different... and because like 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes... and because being one person in a 300 million person system isn't very compelling to promote accountability...
We can keep going in circles if you want, but all you keep doing is latching onto one of my several points and attacking that one point without acknowledging the others.
If it were just one factor at play, then sure it'd probably be easy enough to get around it. But it's several factors working together.
This is, again, why I suggested that it might be possible for some, richer states to accomplish universal healthcare on their own, comparable to the richer countries of Europe (several countries in Europe do not have socialized healthcare probably for reasons similar to why I've outlined that it can't work in the US on a federal level.)
>>719955713 Uh, no. Try again. It would cost a lot more than a 2% tax. Giving healthcare to everyone caused premiums to shoot up so that for the same coverage you're paying anywhere from 8x-30x as much as before ACA. And that's not even covering all the costs, many of which you still have to pay for even on 2k+/person plans.
>>719932929 There are lots of people that see that as government intrusion/overreach -there are also a lot of people that flatly don't want to pay taxes, and don't want to pay anything else to the government
>>719955343 see this is catch the though, you don't call it slavery, and you give them money in the company store, to buy there basic human needs, but just enough, maybe if there good they get enough for some distractions to take them away from there shit existence, if there good employees. Now i as your owner, i get the loins share, because i do all that hard thinking for you. maybe you can train yourself at your own expense, i love it when they new tricks for me.
>>719955791 Literally every single European country managed to set up a universal healthcare relying to numbers to work, but the US can't despite having so much more people. What you're saying here is that the US are just terrible at organizing their shit, and can't do it on either a federal or a state-level.
If anything, that poor "b- but European countries are smaller!" argument is actually making your argument more ridiculous.
>>719956206 And how long ago did we start making robots?
We're already at this point. With the exponential increase in computing power that occurs over time, along with advanced in a number of system related to balance and movement, decades is reasonably, especially if someone gets far enough to sell promising prototypes and research to a wealthy government's military program.
Trying to work a system with 1/3 billion people is a lot harder than trying to work a system with a 5th of that. This is why federal healthcare is stupid because there's so many logistical hoops to jump through that could be avoided by just doing it on a state level and letting people in their states vote for it or not instead of trying to stuff it down everyone's throat Ala obama care
>>719956145 >because like 40% of the population doesn't pay taxes Then change that. For literally 50 years, the highest revenues in the US had a +70% taxation rate, with peaks to 80 and even 90%, and those were the years the American middle class was the wealthiest and had the world highest quality of life. Then Reagan took office, and 35 years later, 80% of the American population either stagnated or got poorer despite your GDP doubling.
But you won't change that because taxation is akin to communism to you. So the US will keep falling and whining about it.
why in every country its always the minority how come??? its imposseble. murican say its mexico when you go to mexico the say its colmbia when you go colombia yhe say brasil brasil will say its peru peru will say its muricans its so weak always pointing the finger
I hope that we do. But making a system paid for by about half of the population that EVERYONE takes out of is asking for trouble. Surely you can see that?
There are several steps we need to take before we even consider free ANYTHING at a federal level being a viable option. And trying to accomplish that right now without having a solid foundation for it is just asking for failure.
>>719957192 The power cable just means they didn't have to worry about power for the demonstration. They aren't a battery company, they're a robotics company. As far as combat gear weight, why wouldn't it be built into the robot? Combat gear is for an ill suited body made of squishy flesh that can't just be replaced with a thick piece of metal.
Embezzlement, nepotism and "financial oversight" is a big thing in public sector America. It probably exists in welfare states like Sweden, Norway, France, etc But it's probably not as prevalent. Maybe because they're smaller countries where efficiency is key and you just can't throw money at a problem.
still we have the issue of health insurance companies can still lobby and buy lax regulations through congress. Which really is one step removed from above, same shit different sewer
>>719956893 Probably not initially, But that wouldn't be hard to figure out. But that because there's so much unnessecary health problems due to the current system. After people had access to no out of pocket healthcare, it would lead to less healthcare needed, and more people back in the workforce contributing to taxes.
If 2% from each person in Aus covers all Australians, then 2% from all Americans should cover all Americans. That's how percentages work.
The only difference in that consideration is if one group currently need more healthcare per person, which shouldn't be the case, But sadly it is
Shoudl also add, that's because you have let your insurance companies and doctors dictate prices - doctors in america earn way more than they need to - especially with other countries doctors doing the same job for less (still a lot, but in Muricaland it's way way too high)
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