My son died last August. He drowned in our pool. My wife and I couldn't cope with the loss, so she went to her sister's until we can get a divorce. Tomorrow, I'm going to walk out into the woods on our property and shoot myself with my dad's old deer rifle. I don't know what this is. I guess a suicide note, as surreal as that sounds.
>>719842055 Fucking pussy. >got a job >got a wife >got a son >looses one and wants to kill himself Nigga you are healthy that shit makes no sense. When you kill yourself you lose more than i ever had or will have.
>>719842055 I'd tell you not to do it, of course that doesn't mean a lot to a man at the end of his rope. I'll say this, it takes bravery to live, if you don't have what it takes then just know that I will think about you tomorrow. If for a brief moment you will be remembered.
>>719842055 That's absolutely horrible. Obviously we don't know each other nearly enough for it to be impactful, but I'm sorry for your loss of your son and relationship. I can't say I'd blame you for your plans. In your situation I would probably consider it too. I think a lot of people would. If you are still considering it, please also consider getting your affairs in order first. It is a series of tragedies that have hit your life. Again I am truly sorry anon.
Man, all I have to say is don't. You've got like a 50% chance of it getting better. You can always do it later I'd it gets any worse. That's why I'm still alive. I decided to wait two years. My life got way fucking better.
>>719842055 Motherfucker pls. This is the last place i would come to before i become an hero. Cant believe people fall for this shit anymore. If ur gonna kill urself do it and dont come on 4chan and post about it. Ill see u on the other side.
>>719842055 Op, I've attempted suicide before after finding out about my early signs of schizophrenia.
I can assure you that it's pointless.
I was using cheap Chinese .223 with faulty primers, and nearly 1 in 4 was a misfire, so when I tried to shoot myself in the roof of my mouth, the round misfired, and I spent an hour or two rethinking my outlook on life completely.
Everything is temporary, your life and existence is temporary, and none of it matters to the universe, but all of it matters to you.
A ton of shit has happened since I internalized that revelation, My grandfather died, my long time girlfriend(was going to propose) cheated on me, My mother was diagnosed with Parkinson's, so on.
The second these things happened, i was already passed them, because my life would only get worse if I dwelt on the inevitable ends to the things I cherished. Forget the past, it's useless to you now, and not much in your life has any genuine consequences to how it will turn out later along the line.
This is a perfect opportunity to rethink what your plan is in life, the second it ends, you finalize your existence. Why deprive yourself and those you may choose to associate with the opportunities your continued existence offers? You're going to die anyway, why do it before you've found something that can make you die smiling?
In the words of the Holy Quran it says, and i translate the meaning "He who kills a soul is as if killed all mankind. He who saves a soul is as if saved all mankind". I dont know if you believe in God, religion or in anything. But if you do, then taking your own life is just as bad as your tragedy , not only will it not help in anything, not only will it bring misery and sorrow to your parents, loved ones and to your wife. It will have you end up in Hell. Life is a gift from God, your soul is a gift from God, its not yours to take or end. Only he has the power to do so. Your lost a son, blaming yourself, feeling bitter about it, angry and frustrated will only demolish your life and that of the ones around you, instead channel that energy in saving others lives, mainly children, if you dont want to or cant adopt, you can do some community service with children, be more involved in helping others have a better life, or save their own. At least with this, you will be able to fulfill what you couldnt with your own child.
>>719847543 Any book, any text, any sentence, has to be read in full in order to get and understand the context in which it has been used in or devoted to. Yes the Quran has that verse, but you have to read the complete "Sura" leading up to that verse. For example, The complete Verse is as follows;
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
That's one translation, I've read many translations that are far less flattering than the one you provided. Would you also be as apologetic towards Christian Old Testament verses that call for rampant murder and executions?
>>719842055 Don't do it OP, death is final, life is full of possibility. Tragic loss happens, but killing yourself would just compound the tragedy for everyone who knows or cares about you.
Like >>719842493 says, get back together with your wife and try again. Your lost son will never be back but you can be part of making another life. I'm one of four siblings, but I have three other siblings who died before birth, One barely a year before I was born. I know that losing a child who you know and love as a little person and as an irreplaceable part of your life is not the same as miscarriage, but I can tell you my parents having lost three kids in a row, twin girls and then a single boy did not give up and throw away what they had or their future, they kept going, and I am grateful they did, both for my own sake and for that of my 23 year old little sister. People die, its an unavoidable part of life, some old, some young. Some like my aunt who just passed after a decade of decline, some suddenly and tragically like your son, but you cannot let that destroy you. Life goes on, and I don't mean that in a diminishing sense, I mean it in a literal sense, this is only the end of life if you make that choice, there will be more joy, there can be more children if you want them, and I would urge you to pursue it, there are more wonderful little humans for you to meet and help grow.
>>719846899 Yes you do, that's exactly how you get over it. You solve the loneliness and loss of a close death by finding new people to fill the gap. Not to say you forget people or replace them, but human loss is relieved by human gain.
>>719847921 Hell isnt a place the Quran invented, in all religions of the world, whether they believe in one god or multiple gods, Hell has multiple meanings, but all religions agree there is "Hell" for buddiest for example, Hell is being reincarnated as a dog, or a mouse, not reaching the ultimate enlightening of being one with the gods. For the three other main religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, Hell has a clear meaning that all three religions agree about.
>>719848414 "Anas b. Malik reported that some people belonging (to the tribe) of 'Uraina came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Medina, but they found its climate uncongenial. So Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels of Sadaqa and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right."
>>719848187 Exactly. Translations. Quran is in Arabic, many translations has surfaced, but they are not the original text, the original text doesnt need translation nor can it be interpenetrated in many ways. I know i cant possibly ask you to read it in Arabic, yet, i know the translation i provided was the most accurate one, simply because i am an arab . As for killing Christians please see below verse;
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.
Also does this mean I know more about your own religion then you do? Islame is a shit tier garbage religion. The only people who actually follow islame now and days is isis you know since they fling gay off the top of the tallest building in the city as a kindness to free them of their sin.
There are countless passages I could quote, one that comes to mind is "when you see the Jew on the road don't say hello to him but try to shove him off the road" (not an exact quote/translation as I'm recalling it from memory), quranic verses demean women (in court the testimony of 2 women is equal to that of 1 man), countless quotes calling for jihad against non-believers, etc. you'd have to be schizophrenic to believe Islam is a religion of peace and equality
>>719848575 First of all quoting from Wiki(anything) isnt the best way to go. This particular incident could be true but lets look at the complete history behind it. Before Islam, people were using camel piss in medication, let me just stop now for a second, even to this day me, you, we as humans dont know what exactly goes into our medication, yes it comes into a pill, but do you know the exact ingredients of this pill? Coming back to the story, so this group of people came to the prophet and asked him, is it allowed to use camel urine in medication, and he didnt tell them no. This means that even though he didnt say Yes as a definite answer he also didnt tell them No. The reason is because Islam at the time was a growing religion, if everything people used to do and act upon before islam would be totally abolished then islam wouldnt be accepted as it is now in alot of places. Take wine and alcohol for example, arabs were heavy drinkers, like very heavy drinkers, yet islam slowly and gradually restricted alcohol consumption, not instantly.
>>719848908 The entirety of my Islamic scholarship is based on this post. In this context Islam sounds based as fuck. Islam is fucking awesome. I genuinely want to meet a Muslim now. Btw, I'm a white, Protestant male in my mid 30's. How hard is it to actually BE a Muslim?
OP is leaving out important details. Namely whose fault it was his son died. Obviously he couldn't swim. Was OP supposed to be watching him? Should the pool have had a cover which helps protect against this exact circumstance? If the answer to either of these questions is yes then OP is at fault and I can't blame him for suicide. I'd kill myself too if I fucked up badly enough that my kid died.
Can't say I haven't walked in your shoes anon. My wife and I had a baby 5 years ago, after years of struggling to have a kid. Seemed like a complete miracle that would never happen again. He died 5 months later. Thought very seriously about ending it all. Somehow found the strength to keep going. 6 months later years wife was pregnant again. Our daughter is 4 now.
This is not to say that everything turns out the way you want it to or that you'll have another kid. Or that the guilt will go away forever. I still live with the guilt that I wasn't able to save my son and the pain of losing him to this day. But it gets better. And other things come along that make you happy and help to cope with the situation. Life can change for the better in unpredictable ways, you just have to keep putting one foot in front of the other. Keep your head up, anon.
>>719848908 Honestly speaking, i have never, not even once heard of such a verse where we are called to not say hello or great non muslims or shove anyone of the road. If you could tell me where in the Quran that is said , please do.
Regarding women testimony. When an engineer designs a machine he, the engineer is the one that know its exact capabilities. God is our creator, he designed us, whether you know it or not, we believe in the same god as Jews and Christians do,its a fact. When God created us he knows our capabilities and our shortcomings. The only reason why god specified that 2 women are equal to one man when it comes to testimony was explained as follows (so if one of them would forge the other would remind her) Please see below quote from a report done by CBS:
Women often report increased forgetfulness and ‘brain fog’ as they transition into menopause,” she told CBS News. “It appears that brain changes are related to reproductive age (how well the ovaries are functioning), not just chronological age, which appear sensitive to lowering of estradiol serum levels.”
>>719845079 Not OP, but i was doing this for a few years. After a while, those black out drunken nights would turn into fits of intense rage and sometimes sadness. I guess it was just a form of self destruction. I realized this after a while, stopped my heavy drinking, and started smoking weed again. It helps out a lot, and it wont put you in a bad state of mind like alcohol does.
>>719849427 I was replying to someone else. Now i come to you. Three things to answer your question;
1. Yes The prophet married Aisha when she was young. I will look for the exact age and let you know. 2. Please bare in mind that in Hot climate areas affect puberty for males and females . See below reference; As stated by “Classic Encyclopedia”: [Encyclopedia Britannica, 1911 edition]
“In northern countries males enter upon sexual maturity between the age of fourteen and sixteen, sometimes not much before the eighteenth year, females between twelve and fourteen. In tropical climates puberty is much earlier.”
3. In that time written wasnt very popular, so people relayed mainly on their ability to remember things. Aisha was the wife of the Prohet and in the same time, due to her young age she was able and capable of learning and memorizing all of The Prophets Hadith which was passed on the others to be written done. Aisha is considered a wealth of Hadith passed on from the Prophet to us.
>>719842055 Hey fucknuts, My 17 year old son put a bullet through his head a few years ago. I still want to be able to talk to him. You are a douchewaffle for being so involved in yourself. Think about all the people you will affect by doing this. Or you could just kill yourself, you fucking faggot. Goddamnit I want to beat the shit out of you.
>>719850167 And then the same Hadith continues to say: (But When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. ) Why didnt you continue the Hadith? I just wonder why you didnt continue the full Hadith. Is it because you found what you wanted and thats it, or is it because you only want to prove a point.
Suicide is a solution. It won't make your life better, but you will leave a bad situation. But remember: death is just as meaningless as life. But maybe you should choose a slow death. Of you want to kill your self, make it a experience.
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
>>719850877 I didnt, i took that part and continoued the Hadith, please see how i started my posted in saying (the same hadith goes on to say) which acknowledges the first part. You cant force someone to say Hi to you or Greet you, its their own choice. But Islam teaches that if you are greeted you are obligated to greet back and with even a better one. Besides dont you all see us as animals, as stray sheep, why would you greet us anyway, we are sub human according to your belief, arent we?
>But Islam teaches that if you are greeted you are obligated to greet back and with even a better one
islam also teaches that if they don't go out of their way to greet you, then you have to be a dick to them and shove them off the road. what the fuck is that? why can't both of you just share the road like civilized human beings?
Yeah don't do it OP, as someone who has tried to kill them self before, you realize that youre going to be dead some day anyway and may as well have some fun with it in the mean time. watch american beauty, be kevin spacey, you'll be all good sport. suicide is pointless
Didn't read every comment and idk if op is here but.. my girlfriend of 5 years died last month at age 20, I'm 27 in b4 v&. I love her with all my heart and want to kill myself too. But if I do that, the evil in this world wins. Don't live for yourself, don't die for yourself. I live for something greater than myself now because so much of me died with her.
>>719851091 I don't think that at all after this thread tonight. I think you muzzie are based as fuck in your treatment of Jews, women,queers, and anyone who disagrees with you. Keep up the good work Muzfriend.
>>719851177 If you choose to live under an Islamic rule then its no difference in that than me choosing to live in some Western Country where i have to pay taxes.
Cant argue with that, if we all could just share , if we all stop blaming a complete group of people for whatever right wing extremists do, then i believe we all could really share this earth we are living in, but this has to be applied to all.
>>719842055 Hey man. I just want to try to help you out of this. Remember suicide isnt the only option. Its very hard to cope with a lost one, especially so close and so young. Reply if you want to talk, OP.
plz dont do it... go to columbia and get 4 kg of coke up ur ass then come to australia, i got a mate give ya 50 k a kg thats 200 k... give half to ex and a quater to some homeless bum and quater to a childs hospital... then kys
>>719851349 That's fucking awesome. Fuck the nonbelievers. Allah is based as fuck. How didn't I know all this awesome shit about Islam? There's gotta be some downside to conversion that I'm not seeing.
>>719851244 I would like to invite you, for just once to read more about women in Islam from the Quran. There is a SURA called AN NISA quran(.)c o m / 4 take a quick read and you will understand women in Islam. As for the Jews, Christians anyone else,the simple idea in ISLAM is this (if they fight you, fight back, if they dont, then dont). dont cherry pick verses, read the complete text. As for queers, they have the right to be whatever they want to be, but dont tell me that any of the three religions accept or embrace them from a religious point of view.
>>719851470 >>719851503 >>719851508 NORMIES GET THE FUCK OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE >Yeah wtf people with a heart?? Showing sympathy? You retarded fucking newfag. Why are you pretending to be sympathetic to someone you do not know or see. You are simple a retarded normie. If someone wants to kill themselves it is their choice. Don't tell them to think about it they already have. Don't tell them not to because of some retarded bullshit. You normies are fucking sickening. You don't even know if this person is real. Why the fuck did you come to 4chan in the first place? If you want sympathy and faggoy circle jerking go somewhere else. This is where men play. Men don't act like whiney little faggots like you.
do what? throw gays off roofs? let you fuck children? let you kill unbelievers? let you shove jews off the road? not in any western country, you'd have to move to some shithole out in the desert to get that type of stuff
>>719851809 /b/ isn't one person you fucking idiot. I'm allowed to speak my thoughts if i want to and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. /b/ is a community where everybody has their own thoughts and feelings. Stop talking about /b/ as if it were a single entity.
>>719851809 Bait or not when someone tells anyone they want to commit suicide it's because they're not sure. And probably want help. Instinctually, death is something we avoid. That's why humans are lame like YOU. REEEEEx2
queers have the right to be whatever they want to be in islamic countries??? You're not very good with this whole Taqiyya thing are you?
"Homosexuality is one of the most disgusting sins and greatest crimes.... It is a vile perversion that goes against sound nature, and is one of the most corrupting and hideous sins.... The punishment for homosexuality is death. Both the active and passive participants are to be killed whether or not they have previously had sexual intercourse in the context of a legal marriage.... Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [the perpetrator] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place." Saudi Ministry of Education Textbooks for Islamic Studies: 2007-2008 Academic Year Center for Religious Freedom of Hudson Institute
>>719851832 which is then paid to...... complete the sentence please. I'll help you, goes to BAIT AL MAL (House of money) which is a government institution that donates money and gives it away to the disabled, unemployed ... etc
>which is then paid to...... complete the sentence please
...anything the central government desires? such as the military, the bureaucracy, etc? where does it say in the Quran or Hadith that Zakat must go to the bait al mal? how many governments/states that collected Zakat spent 100% of that money on the bait al mal?
Its funny how people try to convert other people to their religions. Pro tip: You will not convert any one, asshole, so shut the fuck up and go fuck a goat in your case Ahmed, or a kid in your case John. STOP
I wanna just share that helping a /b/rother out is the most important thing we can do. Unity empowers us. The "normies" as my autistic brotheren referred to seek to divide us. Don't let them win. The opposite of hate is understanding. That's the definition of compassion. And hating something you understand is a lack of acceptance. This suicidal anon might be of value to me, stop telling him to die.
>>719852052 I am not sure what you are arguing here? I never said they are free to be in Islamic countries, they are not. They are free to be gays in their own homes, not publicly displaying their affection to same sex. Again, i didnt say Islam accepts gays, nor does any of the three regions. Quoting a Fatwah about gays isnt going to prove that islam isnt pro gays, cause it is not. Same goes to Christianity and Judaism. If you post something from the Bible or the Torah that specifically accepts and encourages gays then please do, i would love to read that.
except you don't pay extra taxes just for being muslim in the west, do you? why differentiate between Zakat and Jizya if they were both the only tax levied on citizens and they were exactly the same (ie: exactly the same tax)? obviously non-Muslims paid extra taxes in Muslim states throughout the vast majority of Muslim history simply for being non-Muslim
>>719852023 Your the one pretending to care about the suicide of some random nigger on the internet that could be a 300 pound virgin laughing at your stupidity. >>719852034 >noo don't kill yourself it gets better! >le inspirational youtube video lol XD virtual hug I wish it were edgy teenagers. >>719852027 >when someone tells anyone they want to commit suicide it's because they're not sure. Not true at all. When someone does this 90% its to get attention and because they are bored. You fell for it. You are no different from a white night defending an OP who claims he's a girl. >And probably want help. Too bad so sad. Fuck off. Suck it up or just fucking kill yourself. >That's why humans are lame like YOU. REEEEEx2 You need to go back to redit.
1. Muslims. Pay Zaka. 2. Non muslims, that choose to live in an islamic country have to pay Jizya. 3. Zaka is a percentage of your wealth, so the more you have in term of wealth the more you pay. 4. Jizya is a fixed amount. 5. The following dont need to pay Jiza (Children, women, disabled, monks, the elderly , the blind, the crippled, the mentally ill) .
Zaka+ Jizya is sent to BEIT AL MAL, which is then distributed on all citizens of that state.
>Hence, the tax is clearly a tribute, and a sign of subjection, in no way equivalent to the alms tax Zakat. Yusuf Ali’s comment on the Jizyah clarifies this:
>1281 Jizya: the root meaning is compensation. The derived meaning, which became the technical meaning, was a poll-tax levied from those who did not accept Islam, but were willing to live under the protection of Islam, and were thus tacitly willing to submit to its ideals being enforced in the Muslim State. There was no amount permanently fixed for it. It was in acknowledgment that those whose religion was tolerated would in their turn not interfere with the preaching and progress of Islam. Imam Shafi’i suggests one dinar per year, which would be the Arabian gold dinar of the Muslim States. The tax varied in amount, and there were exemptions for the poor, for females and children (according to Abu Hanifa), for slaves, and for monks and hermits. Being a tax on able-bodied males of military age, it was in a sense a commutation for military service. But see the next note. (9.29) 1282 ‘An Yadin (literally, from the hand) has been variously interpreted. The hand being the symbol of power and authority. I accept the interpretation “in token of willing submission.” The Jizya was thus partly symbolic and partly a commutation for military service, but as the amount was insignificant and the exemptions numerous, its symbolic character predominated. See the last note. (9.29)
>>719852720 >reddit spacing get the fuck out. Normies are flooding this place. Including you. This always fucking happens. If they were degenerate autists they wouldn't be trying to save some faggots life with moral inspirational shitposting. They aren't degenerate autists and thats the problem. They thought this place was cool because of what degenerate autists did and now they are making it shit like any other normalfag website. Not even realizing that their very presence is what makes this place worse. Pic related.
>>719852898 Because they are not the subject of this discussion, islame is. Oh and the gay police is called "Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice" in Saudi Arabia and goes by different names in different countries.
>>719850469 it may not have been his fault but speaking from experience, imagine you lose your daughter, she is.....*WAS* the spitting image of your wife. Every time you look at her your crumble and cant take it because just looking at her reminds you of everything you lost. So you take the easy road and remove the things that remind you of that pain. including the one person trying to put your heart back together. While grief can shape the mind it can also snap it in two.
>>719852804 >is an edgy teenager >calls other people edgy teenagers >is redit teir newfag >tells me 4chan is not for me This is my home. This is where my childhood memories are from. And i'm not a teenager.
>>719842055 What happened to you was horrible and if your wife don't has the strenght to get through it with you, you're better off without her. Don't give up on yourself, Anon. It will hurt forever, but the time will come you will feel happiness again.
It's not something I can relate to op. Before I was born though my mom hadna child who died. Ruined her first marriage. She's never gotten over it but she's gone on to have a great life and have two good kids (if I can say that about myself )
It must be so fucked up to lose a child but your life isn't over unless you want it to be.
>>719842055 YOUR STORY HAS SO MANY HOLES ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY. IF YOU LIVE IN THE WOODS, WHY DIDNT YOUR SON PULL HIMSELF OUT OF THE POOL USING A BRANCH OF A TREE? WHY IS YOUR WIFE DIVORCING YOU? MAYBE BECAUSE SHE KILLED YOUR KID? ALSO IF YOUR SON LAST AUGUST, WHY DID IT TAKE YOU SO LONG TO GO DEER HUNTING?????
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