Machinist here. Both manual and CNC machines. I've even helped install a CNC lathe, and a manual lathe. Planned and installed the LAN for the machine shop, including specific hardware to interface with the CNC equipment.
Yep, go get a trade. Then you can work for some fuck who won't pay you or give you decent benefits, get laid off every few years when the economy shits and reboots and you'll be against unions because the people who won't pay you tell you they are bad. But hey, you can say you work with your hands, vote for politicians like trump and live a paycheck to paycheck life.
Machinist again. In my opinion, we're at the top end of the blue collar professions. I love what I do, and I can't imagine doing anything else.
What sucks is paying your dues. You end up doing the dirty work; Grinding, sanding, de-burring, standing in front of a machine and pressing the start button for weeks at a time. Tearing down and repairing dirty, greasy, broken equipment parts like gearboxes, drive shafts, spindles, and sprockets.
>>719749833 I'm not a qualified tradie but have done cash in hand work for various different trades since I was 16 (I'm 20 now). The work itself mostly sucks. Get up early and work 9 hours 5 days a week. The pay is great though. Tradies get paid much more than they deserve. If you do decide to go down that path, get ready for a lot of shit employers and bosses. I'm moving away now and going to uni because of my experiences with my employers.
>>719749833 Journeyman Refrigeration mechanic, gas technician and 4th year electrician apprentice reporting in. Life is pretty good if you have a brain. I'm 29 and I make $40 an hour plus profit sharing, vehicle, benefits, tools paid for and I generally work 8-430 Monday to Friday. I'm pretty happy with my choice in refrigeration.
>>719749833 I do enterprise computer hardware repair at a datacenter and work with a dedicated electrician my entire shift. I wouldn't want your job even if it does pay 20k more per year. You're all shitty to each other, at risk of dying regularly, act worse than construction spics in front of women, and have a God complex about your profession. Get arc flashed fuckers
>>719749833 I own my own drywall business so I don't get paid by the hour, made 8k in December with a huge job I set up. Money's pretty good in it if you're young because the older tradesmen are retiring so theres room for new people.
Union heavy highway carpenter. Make 31 an hour plus 15 in benefits. Build bridges. It's not a bad job. I usually get laid off fron November or December till march. There's a lot of overtime in summer. I make fucking bank in summer time. A lot of 1000 to 2000 dollar paychecks. Plus with the 15 an hour in benefits, my Healthcare and retirement is paid for and I get another 3.50 an hour in a savings account that I can access once a year if I want. But with the Republicans controlling everything, i wouldn't be surprised if my union is gone in four years. The sad part is a lot of retarded faggot union brothers voted for trump. I want to kill every one.
Sparky here, if you get a trade go Union it's the only way to go. With all benefits included I made 80k last year and I'm only an apprentice. Tools paid, work truck and gas paid, health insurance free(full 80/20 plan also covers my whole family for free), we get three different pensions 401k. I bailed on a 4 year degree to do this and can't be happier. Just be ready to actually work and it's fairly dangerous at times. A journeyman in my area makes 45 an hr but if you can get into the pipe fitters union the are the god tier they do 49 an hour in my area.
I'm In a maintenance possision at a skilled nursing facility, pay is great 20 an hour with no certs, with certs you'd be making 25 work long enough to get the experience to be a supervisor be making 38 an hour. Only down side is if something important breaks at 2am you have to get your as to work.
I'm an electrician, but I do not work on houses, I install and maintain industrial equipment, automation, robots, that kind of things. I never got dirty from electrons spilling over my shirt. I never got tired from carrying my pliers around. I never get rushed as no one around me understands what I'm doing. And that's just half the time. The other half I just sit around waiting for my phone to ring if something breaks down, while getting paid. Damn, sometimes I almost feel embarrased I'm getting paid for doing this shit.
Right now, in my country, I can't think of anything involving less work and highest salary that doesn't involve a diploma, crime or elections.
>>719751731 A union man that votes republican is special. They are the most retarded species on the earth. They function like a normal person bUT are some how more retarded than a person that can't feed themselves or wipe their own asses. It's quite amazing, really.
>>719751925 Take your faggotry elsewhere. I bust my ass as a carpenter. I worked non union for two years before I got in and trust me, we work three times as hard in the union. Any faggot that is in construction and doesn't like unions is just jealous of the money we make. You sir, are gay as fuck.
>>719752621 I'm not unionized and I make more because I'm extremely good at what I do and end up making my boss more money because of it. The unfortunate part of unions is the dumbasses in the field are worth the same as the best ones, so it ends up devaluating some tradesmen.
>>719749833 i was an electrician for about 10 years (started age 17) before deciding to open up an electrical subcontracting company with a bank loan. started off bidding commercial projects but got in with the school system so i began bidding every new school in my area (which is booming construction wise.) generally a school is a 1-1.5 million bid (including my profit) and i'll typically earn around 200k on a school over the course of around 3 years construction. i'm doing two right now as well as some miscellaneous projects. in 2016 i netted around 500k and invested around 200 back into the business for equipment. i also use amex for all of my material purchases then immediately pay it off for tons of free airline miles. it's a pretty sweet setup. if the new president fulfills his promises i expect to boom for these next three years as a small business owner (mandatory insurance payments for over 50 employees inside the dumb as fuck obamacare system was initially crippling.) so yes, you CAN make it in a trade, but you need to learn and grow as an individual. gruntwork for life is not worth it.
>>719753099 Contractors would never pay me what I make without a Union. They wouldn't pay anyone that kind of money. Bridge builders in non union states make 15 dollars an hour with no benefits. It's not political bullshit. Unions are a group of skilled tradesman coming together to collectively bargain the highest possible wages they can get for themselves. If we didn't do that, our jobs would be shit. The contractors would just be richer than they already are. So instead of a tiny group of people making huge sum. of money, a large group of people make a decent liveable wage. While the tiny group still makes relatively huge sums of money. What is wrong with that?
>>719749833 Trades are only good if you have job security and those are few and far between having experienced that despite 10 years of service and half a dozen awards for top tech in my state for going beyond what is necessary to ensure quality work the company I worked for decided they would rather bring in 2 know nothings who they can pay less
>>719753428 we all put the in the same time at sea, but i also tend to the gear and maintain the boat. i worked the same duties they have, saved up and bought my own set up i encourage them to do the same
>>719753428 >not understanding what risk is carried with being a business owner The employees rely on their employers to put food on the table and roof over their head. Business owners are responsible to ensure their employees are taken care of and it's an extremely stressful task at times. I fucking hate people like you and I don't even own a business.
>>719749833 I'm a EE making roughly $60/hr polishing a chair with my ass. But while going to uni I worked several trades. Roofing/tarring sucked balls, drywall sucked, roughing was simple as was plumbing and electrical. Did get an offer from a sparky to work for him. I was the only wiremonkey he had that did the job right. Still help him out on some jobs. Thinking when I retire I'll take up a trade so I don't get board.
>>719753822 That is shitty as fuck. I agree with you that is fucked up. It's nothing like that with trade unions though. I have to bust my balls all day long. There is no fucking around whatsoever. But I make a lot of money and I know that and am grateful for it. Everyone else busts their asses too. The contractors don't put up with people being lazy. If someone is lazy or dumb, they get laid off. If someone is being paid high wages they should earn it. I don't know what to do about situations you're talking about. I just know that it wouldn't be fair if me and my hard working union brothers get fucked over because of some bad unions.
I always hear about how great trades are but no one ever talks about pay, and I noticed a lot of people in this thread are including benefits in their pay amount which is very odd because total compensation is generally not what people are looking for. Out of college around 24 I was making $25/hr (base) plus full benefits plus tuition reimbursement and FLEX account access for things like transportation. I worked inside with 8 hour days. And that's in a junior position. The only people that seem to have it better than that either have 5-10 years of experience or they own the company - the latter really isn't "working trades" because owning a business is a completely different thing. What, realistically, are new tradesmen making and how is the quality of life?
>>719754413 I'm the heavy highway carpenter. I started out as a 1st year apprentice making 19 an hour plus the benefits, which again are abkut 15 an hour and include healthcare, pension and savings account. That 19 an hour was 65% of journeyman rate and it goes up 10% every year untIL you're a journeyman (a 4th year apprentice was 95%). It was a four year apprenticeship.
>>719754413 My quality of life is great. I work 8-430 Monday to Friday and realistically I work maybe 5 hours a day since I spend the other 3.5 driving around. I'm on call once every 4 weekends which I'm compensated for. I really have no complaints. Sure doctors and engineers make more but I wouldn't be happy doing those jobs.
>>719749833 Does electrical wiring for industrial Air Conditioners, water heaters and climate control units here. The job is dope, great benifits money's decent but wiring custom ordered units by consumers is a bitch when using water proof conduit that refuses to bend around corners being cut too close. All in all its a career that I love and enjoy.
>>719754994 Only with drumpf in office. Mexifag reporting in. On edge awaiting my deportation. Before that I literally had my hands on a range rover 4 bedroom house and foodstamps with little to no effort.
i went out on a job and we were using a mobile milling machine to redo a base for a motor at an oil refinery. we had to get one of the electricians to wire it up for us and to disconnect it when we were done. he ran his power cord out to our equipment and spooled out like 200 feet to get there.
well, when we were done we had to get him to disconnect our equipment. to "disconnect" he fucking took some snips and cut the power cord on the machine side. fucking asshole
im pretty sure he did it because we were contracted to come in and work and we are not union.
>>719754877 Depends on where you live. I don't have a trade, but I make 61k as a Java developer. Apparently that's super low for my field but I also live in fucking Alabama of all places, so the cost of living is dirt cheap for me. If you make like 50k in the south you can live pretty well.
>>719754957 sure they should live comfortably, but they also could have dropped out of school in gr 3, worked at something they were good at, and enjoyed, and made just as much money...
people have the mind set of "i cant, it wont work"... go out there and make money your own way
my goal is to be retired by 50, sell my boat and license ( or lease it out) and live my life before im too old and broken . meanwhile, if i stuck to my trade i would be in the workforce until my 60s, bent and busted, then retire and watch the news while i waste away...
I think you guys are missing his point. foremen and supers n shit are all, for the most part, knowledgeable about their trades. Then there's the apprentices, trainees, etc that don't know shit, half of them are ex labor beans, and they just generally do what they are told, not requiring any real intuition. These are the fuckwads who get paid too much. I mean shit I'm one of them but I just started and I'm headed straight for the top. But i completely agree the forementioned workers are super overpaid.
You wouldn't pay a janitor an executives wage just for being a janitor would you?
>>719757776 Well yeah brainless idiots certainly don't hold the responsibility for loss that a handful of tradesman are responsible for. I've been responsible for grocery stores and other large accounts with millions of dollars on the line when equipment goes down. If it doesn't get fixed my neck is on the line, not the asshole that sweeps the floor.
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