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Why do so many people hate obamacare /b?

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Why do so many people hate obamacare /b?
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>>719735095

I don't have it because I payed attention in school, got a good job and can afford big boy insurance. Now I have to pay for the people that didn't so they can have it.
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>>719735334

Ok little man. Your virginity is safe LOL
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My personal experience with it:

Cheapest plan I could get was $300+ a month, and I would only be covered in facilities that were about 60 miles away.

I have private insurance, so I don't even need it. But if I didn't, and also didn't have Obamacare, the annual tax/fine is something like $700.

Supposedly rates went up 500-600% this year, but I haven't verified that.

All of my doctors absolutely hate it as well. I have no idea what changes affect them, but one of them actually retired early over it.
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Because it's OK to pay for military bases in every fucking country in the world but not ok to keep your neighbor healthy.
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>>719735445
>All of my doctors absolutely hate it as well. I have no idea what changes affect them

because being a doctor is a money making business and when somebody starts messing with your business and profits go down, you get upset.
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>>719735095
My dad was paying $250/month for a basic healthcare coverage before Obamacare. It was basically covering traumatic injuries/diseases.

Obamacare comes in, insurance company can't offer that coverage anymore because it doesn't cover everything. Cheapest option my dad can get is $475/month. Dad says fuck that and doesn't sign up, retires, works off the books now.
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>>719735780
Yeah, and fucking who the hell wants to go to an upset doctor? I want my doctor to be happy as a pig in shit.
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>>719735780
But, but, everyone knows real doctors are in in for the healing, doctors who want to make a profit need to go to prison WTF is wrong with them just heal me and gain satisfaction from it doc, also go to med school for lot's of years and work and study really fucking hard and pay a bunch of money for school just cause you're a good guy doc.
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>>719735780
True but doctors should be well paid their professionals. Also 8 years of college is pretty expensive.
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>>719735095
I'm a Progressive that voted Jill Stein.

Get the laughs out, couldn't care less.

It's a corporate handout written by the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney. It mandates that we all purchase a product from the people that are buying off our politicians.

That being said, getting rid of it without a replacement is stupid.
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>>719736171
I doubt Trump will get rid of it - he'll just make some minor changes, and republicans will forever tell the story of how he fixed it.
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>>719735095

I don't hate it. I get much better coverage for about the same as I use to pay.

It's usually people who live in States where the GOP governor didn't take the expansion offer and actually try to make it work.

In States where the administrations try to make it work it's doing fine for the most part.

The price spike last year was likely a one-time pricing correction because insurance companies initially made their prices too low.

Oh, and because people have short memories and forget that healthcare costs have been blowing up for long before Obamacare came in.

Before Obamacare, 45 000 people were dying annually from lack of coverage. I'm sure they're quite happy about it.

That said, as with any programme of this size there are problems that need to be sorted out. Fat chance of that now.
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>>719735627
this
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>>719735095
because i co-own a metal fab business with 2 other people and before obongocare my insurance was $45/mo and nobody was forcing me to pay it, now with bananacare it was like $185/mo last time i checked and im lying to the government about it because im not going to pay $3k/yr for something i dont use. i havent been to the doctor in 15 years aside from yearly checkups
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>>719735095
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU GOT UNTIL ITS GONE
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>>719736292
Totally with you there... I don't buy half of the shit that he says, and I'm surprised anyone takes anything he says seriously.

Everyone wants to scream about how he's a liar, but then they take him absolutely seriously about everything he says.
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>>719735920

and the reason why the insurance company don't offer the same cover anymore? because they will not make as much profit with it under obamacare. so to keep the profits the same they up the cost of the policy.. that way they keep raking in the money and they can tell people its all because of obamacare.

i doubt Americans will ever see free / government subsidized healthcare, there are to many powerful people making money out of the current system for it to ever change
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>>719735095
55% said he isnot the savior
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>>719735095
Because the liberal jew media doesnt care about god

As a conservative
God is essential to america and without god america is a seething cesspool of sin waiting for the radical islamists to complete their jihad on the american way of life

On gods way of life
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>>719735334

selfish mindset. Kys
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>>719735095
Because they've been told to hate it by Fox News.
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>>719735095
because im on aca trump can get rid of that commie obamacare
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>>719736499

consensus often proves that a majority of people don't know wtf they are talking about
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>>719736292
More like it will get patched up a bit, prolonging the inevitable crash or leeching vast sums of tax dollars (which it already does, but i mean waaay waaay more) to sustain it. Then when it finally fucks up rebubs will be blamed for fucking it up, even thought Onegrocare is fucked as it is.
>Huur it needs replaced with something
Like what faggots, it's easy for uneducated faggots to demand a service from the government, that doesn't mean there is a win win situation just because you wish it. If there was a good way to do it what would it have been and why didn't Obama do it?
>INB4 blame the republicans for the one fucking thing Obama really did in the white house and it's a failure
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>>719736589
Just an addemdum
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>>719736507
Sounds like Mac from always sunny in Philadelphia
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Live in Canada. Taxes are high, but incomes are adjusted to accommodate them. Not a bad system. If someone needs something, they just go. Expensive, though, and now people are voting to control how people live their lives and what choices they make because they don't want their taxes to go up. For everyday things, the clinics are better than even having insurance in the USA, but if you require any ongoing care it's hell.
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>>719736541
Not as selfish as someone who feels they deserve free shit from others for nothing.
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>>719736694
Hey im mac
Wanna touch my diddle
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>>719736615

never reproduce holy shit
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>>719736499
>55%
if you lie - lie big time, say it was 95%

>THESYSTEMISRIGGED
>RUSSIANHACKERS
>TRUMPISNOTPRESIDENT

Jeez, get over it, you lost. The majority of the people voted for him, that's why he's the president. And allowing illegal immigrants to vote in dem. states was a nice move, yeah...

>Hey, chulio, want to vote?
>Si! Si senior!
>Are you a citizen?
>Si senjor! But me documents, they be in car..
>Good enough, I trust him... who are you going to vote cabaliero?
>O... not trump si senjore...
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>>719736499
Are you a citizen of the United States of California?
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>>719736711
I like the idea of healthcare being a right, and if it's done right - single payer has a lot of advantages. Obamacare is a mess. The issue I have with single payer is that it opens the door for people to start voting for more controlling laws, because now everyone's health is costing everyone money. Like to smoke, or drink, or anything that could be perceived as potentially costing tax payers more money? Your rights are going to be attacked.
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>>719736711

Where did u get this thought? How is this relevant
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>>719736011

I think ALL medical staff are overworked including doctors. We need more doctors.
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>>719736841
Not even from burguerland
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>>719736906
Single payer means less doctors and more patients. That's a given.
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>>719736706
Exactly, people don't acknowledge or don't care that
1: it creates a financial imbalance of one form or another, this imbalance could be a trigger to a much larger imbalance, domino effect
2:you lose your fucking liberties cause turns out people don't like paying for other peoples stupid fucking mistakes and lifestyle choices.
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>>719736937
Are you a supporter of the United States of California?
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>>719736886
a relevant point for a free man.
I can already visualise it

>MUHGUNKKKONTROL
>BECAUSE OF MUH OBONGOCARE
>GUNS SHOOT PEOPLE AND WE SPEND TAX DOLLARS
>BAN GUUUNS
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>>719736906
The only reason there aren't more doctors is that the AMA is blocking it. Doctors dont want more doctors because then they get paid less.

Its literally doctors that are killing people who are uninsured because of cost.
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>>719735095
They hate Obamacare only because it has the word Obama in it. Nothing more.
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>>719736985
Exactly. It's a hidden issue with single payer that is really bothering me now that I live in Canada. I was a huge proponent until that started becoming visible to me.
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>>719735095
expensive as fuck and poorly implemented.
get rid of the middle man, namely the insurance company's. they are raking in the big bucks because of this bill
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>>719737013
Umm, I'm Canadian - you idiot.
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>>719736706

Australia here, we are the same here in some respects, tax is high but so are incomes. healthcare is entirely free here though and if you need ongoing care, thats free and easy to get also. people pay for private health basically so they can get a private room and be seen a little faster.
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>>719736986
No, its just funny to see trumpfags mad they make me cringe with all those meme they are the same than those liberals cucks talking stupid shits about hillary
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>>719736457
No, they are literally not allowed to offer that minimalist coverage anymore because the ACA stipulates what all plans must cover as a minimum.
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>>719736365
>something i dont use. i havent been to the doctor in 15 years aside from yearly checkups
I'm never gonna get old either. If you're born debilitated, you should just die like nature intended.
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>>719735334
>because I payed attention in school
>payed
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>>719737013
You tellem buddy, i mean its in the bible god said let there be guns and thats what they are. These liberal cucks trying to take my guns make me so mad id almost be vulnerable to being the subject of trolling....
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>>719736171
Agreed but it is not stupid
the premiums are garbage and saying more people are covered thanks to it is extremely disingenuous because the uninsured penalty is even worse

I'm not interested in a system where I the young and healthy must subsidize the old only to become old myself and not have the system be there

that said employer insurance needs to go, its a bullshit tactic to keep wagecucks cucked and desperate for the work (or else their family becomes uninsured) and its a dumb excuse to keep pay low
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>>719736898
You don't have a right to the work product of other people!e. I'm not sure how anyone ever thought they did.
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Question from a non-american:
-what determines the amount you pay for Obamacare? Your income, your taxes?
-how much does it cost on average for a single white man?
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>>719735095
because they are white
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>>719735095
Because it was a lie hatched by the Democrats to ultimately implement socialized medicine from the beginning. Unless that's your goal too, the law is a disaster.
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>>719737140
I liked Australia, when I was there. It was a lot better than Canada - though they have similar systems? I'd like to find out why, tbh. I think that the food, overall, is better and healthier there. That's my take, anyway. Here in Canada we import a lot of the mass produced stuff from the USA. In Australia it's all, mostly, made in Australia. I, really, loved the freshness of the food there, etc. I just don't think that's possible here in North America.
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>>719735095
Because they've been told to.
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>>719737038
So what? Force doctors to provide their services at gunpoint? That's the response you get when you try to force price ceilinbgs on peoples services.
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>>719735095

Because everyone is forced to have it and if they don't they incur stiff income tax penalties that increase by a surmountable amount every year. Not everyone can afford it and being forced to pay for it is bullshit.
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>>719737295
Too much cuz the jews are always tryna force me to pay to teach niggers evolution!

God left this country long ago but trumg gon bring it back tell you what
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>>719737331

Ausfag here. I don't understand America at all

My wife spent two years having cancer treated and I never spent a dollar. Noone gets upset about it and shit just works.
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>>719737395
It's the thing, private insurance companies have actually driven the price of healthcare so high in the USA that single payer isn't possible. It has to be slowly driven down to be able to do it. The thing is, when you do that you make a lot of people mad whose job it is to save lives.
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>>719737043
Using Obamas argument.
>people that don't like me don't like me cuz dey racist or cause they listen to racists, i'm the first blackity black pres therefor my words and actions are cannon. No ones opinions matter cause i'm always right, why can't Republicans understand that?
It almost seems like he really believes this but i think he's to smart for that. He just says it because he knows people like you eat it up.
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>>719737166

yeah because they were selling joke policy's that didn't really cover you for shit. its the money grabbing insurance companies that set the prices. so now they sell you the new minimum for even more money, but it costs them nothing more to provide it.. and then say sorry, the government has made the cost go up.
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we need to get rid of obummacare, im insured thru the affordable care act, much better
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I'm Canadian, and I do not mind paying for healthcare. I mind it less than paying for military welfare bullshit.

When I was poor, I didn't pay, and I knew I'd be taken care of. Now I pay, but I still know I'm taken care of, and there are fewer poor, sick, desperate people to rob me.
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>>719737508
>I never spent a dollar
inb4 tax replies
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>>719737395
No? Allow more people to become doctors so the cost goes down
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>>719737553
Them liberals will never understand the sophistication of conservative politics because jew niggers have hypnotized them using their jew propaganda
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>>719737508

yeah, my 2nd baby was premature and needed special care for a while. the bill was over $42,000. i just signed it and walked away not owing a cent.
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>>719737698
Lets make everyone doctors!
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>>719737508
In Canada it's like that, to an extent, but the system here is so overloaded that it's pretty slow. Here in Quebec I'd say it's almost broken, depending on what issues you have. The USA, before Obamacare, was just odd. If you had insurance, you got over-covered. Doctors just throw pills at you, you don't ever get better. It's a gimmick half the time. Something serious, though? Whether you have insurance or not, you go to the hospital. If you didn't have insurance they would just put a medical bill against your credit. Most poor people have bad credit, anyway, so whatever? Now it's more complicated. The problem is mostly that people are having to pay, noticeably, out of pocket instead of having it just get absorbed and ignored in the overall tax brackets.
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>>719735627
If your neighbor needs it, then you probably do too.
Welfare nigger pls go
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>>719737563
>joke policies

That you didn't have to buy, before.
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Because socialism is a cancer we need to kill
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>>719737780
As long as you're not a retard in America, its the same way. We just don't cover people too retarded to figure out our system.
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>>719737222

I was gonna point it out too, but OP is probably a fag enough that they did it on purpose, so not gonna bother doing what you did just now lel
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In1973 jimmy carter, a LIBERAL president approved project MK-ultra, a cia expirement that focused on mind control.

In 2017, zombified jew niggers roam the entire east coast of the continental US looking for more welfare checks from satan
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>>719737810
yes.. its called a free market

the arbitrary limit on the number of doctors is driving up cost. Think there should be a limit on the number of cleaners so cleaners get paid more in the future? Of course not.. makes no sense.
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>>719736011

They are paid well. The problem is that in 'Murica they are paid TOO much, your medical costs in murica are WAY too expensive per capita. This is what greed does, murica. ENJOY.
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This.
Obamacare fucks the middle class who contribute so much to the economy, so yung "welfare" tyrone can get treated for his bullet wounds to live another day of being supported by the Gov' and not paying child support.
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>>719737140
Again, the big issue I have here in Canada is the tendency for people to start voting to take away people's rights because they may impact the bottom line when it comes to healthcare. It's a real thing that's happening. In Australia, it's so expensive to own and operate a car, it's insane. $400 tickets for going less than 10km/hour over the speed limit, $600+/year for registration, it's pretty insane.
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>>719737856

well that only worked out for if you never needed medical care ..the moment you did you would have been screwed without insurance.
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>>719737924
"Not a retard" means you were lucky enough to be born outside the lower strata. I know that there are people that rise up, but they are exceptions that prove a rule.
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>>719736569
OR because or premiums sky rocketed because of it. Shit that's not even the worst part. Now most people have a deductible. A 5 to 12 k deductible. I hate it because I pay $800 a month for insurance I can't use because I can't afford the deductible.. before Obamacare I paid $200 a month for a family of for with no deductible.
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>>719735095
HEWILLNOTDIVIDE.US
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>>719738112
So don't speed. Easy.
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>>719737924

no, you walk out with bad credit ..so you will never get a loan for a house, car, anything.
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>>719738007
Yeah, but if the govt didn't put ceiling on doctors services, they wouldn't be blocking the # of doctors. You want a free market but are only complaining about one side.
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>>719737471
>jews
>nigger evolution
>god
>trumg

Thank you for your contribution, your time must be valuable and you sharing it with us is quite a blessing.
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>>719738202
Yeah, well, over here people wouldn't take to kindly to that :D. This is what it comes down to. Calmly accepting government controls, because they are for 'the greater good'. That calm and cool acceptance is not something people in the USA like or stand for.
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>>719738283
Hey buddy im not gay, being gay is a sin. So whatever buttfuckery you and your lineral jew nigger buddies are doin you keep that shit in canada faggot
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>>719738007
>>719738234
Free market or not, there will never be as many doctors as cleaners. Not that many people can actually learn all the things required to be a doctor.
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>>719738234
all of my wat
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>>719738446
Too obvious, friend.
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>>719738459
I'm not saying there should be an equal number of doctors and cleaners. Wtf.

I'm saying the market forces that balance supply and demand get fucked by the arbitrary limit on the number of doctors (supply), driving up cost. Extremely un-american
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>>719738446
Looks like a terrible Left wing shill doing a horrible job of impersonating an evil crazy right wing person, sigh. You're really doing a poor job there :/. Though I'm sure that the crazy Dems in this thread are eating it up.
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>>719738202
communist logic
Comrade Stalin turns out group A does not like being adversely effected to provide for group B. And they are a little bitter that all communism glorious promises don't add up and they're doing more work for less money.
Stalin:
>load up the train comrades if there is no sugar to give the horses than you must use the whip
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>>719738112

those speeding tickets are more like $250 from memory (depends on the state) and are hardly an ongoing cost of owning a car.

i agree i don't like the registration costs here, mainly because its another bill, they don't seem excessively expensive to me in relation to the amount of money i earn. most of us earn good money so what may seem expensive to you could be normal for us.
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>>719736711
This
All these fucking selfish fucks feeling like they deserve everything for free without working. Fucking socialists, there used to be witchhunts for socialists. Amazing times, and look at us now, can't even pay insurance for ourselves anymore. You really don't work hard enough to protect yourself against risk. So fucking funny. Someone else has to pay your protection money. Just die already freeloading fucks.
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>>719735095
because obamacare made the prices for all the health insurances rise like crazy
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>>719738545
Hey buddy im with ya, burn those crazy left wing nutjobs, corral them all in a cattle shed and gas those nigger kikes into oblivion

They are the crazy one
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>>719738570
Registration here is around $150/year? In Florida $50? It doesn't matter how much you make, when you see the bill it's crazy. And a friend in Vic just posted a ticket a few weeks ago - $430 for going 3km/hour over the limit.
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>>719738695
Again, too obvious. Go back to shill school. Your people are paying you too much, you're going to get fired.
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>>719735095
Obamacare is just a fresh coat of paint on an old Healthcare-for-profit system.

If he would have made it Universal Healthcare he would have gone down in history as a HERO.
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all this time and you have zero idea
what ocare opponents have been raggin about?
goddam 5,000 pages no democrat ever read through
promises from the Owhitehouse premiums would not exceed 2500 bucks
you could keep your doctor
mandatory costs/,,coverage free to 11,000,000 illegal mother cuckers
sex change at the working class es' cost for felon inmate cucks, costs for upkeep of moozie murderer major hassan
fines for not signing up
birth control for no job no anything but state income for dames who need state help to run their soft parts.
americans called stupid by jonathan goober the cuck already nicely paid wined and dined through his tenured school position
fraud in disability,with a 500k$ commission fee on top of that as a consultant resident egghead expert on healthcare being constitutional.
big insurance outfits cancelling coverage,small medium and large businesses doing no fulltime hiring,
a few insurance companies made out like bandits,while mr & mz hourly workers ate told fuck you.
every goddamn obama democrat policy ends up a 3 stooge 97 floor skyscraper because it was a 97 floor skyscraper from the ground up. AHCA and other obamacrat stupidities were why trump one,,,,genius,,,,,
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>>719738540
And I;m saying systems are self-organizing, and despite whatever limits are imposed, there will never be too many doctors, or even enough.

So America is exactly as American as can be. Unless...you relax standards and change immigration rules, but then is it American?
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>>719738813
It sounds like you dont truly beleive in god?
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>>719735095

Because I like seeing people suffer and die. The fact you are poor is not MY fault.
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>>719738853
The proper statement is - if he *could* have. Healthcare costs in the USA are just too high. They have to be brought down before Universal Healthcare can be implemented. Not an easy thing, and there are drawbacks to Universal Healthcare - like the strengthening of the FDA to eliminate more 'unhealthy' foods from American's diets because they cost taxpayers money, stricter anti smoking laws, higher costs for operating cars, etc, etc.
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>>719738606
Ah, what a great nation you are, hating your own countrymen so much, that you'd rather see them die than do something for them.

Good luck making Murica great again, you're never going to sort your shit out.
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>>719738813
Let me tell you friend that being conservative is about keeping the word of god in our schools in our churches in our congress and in the mouths of every succulent young boy
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>>719739138
Sigh, nothing but shills talking to themselves in here. A bit much.
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>>719735095
I'm not sure. I live in Canada, but I lived in the US too, and it is one of the big differences I've noticed. San Francisco and Vancouver are verysimilar, but a big difference seems to be healthcare. When you go to the poor areas here, people are more okay. Down there, it's a disaster. It's probably a side effect of havng 10X the population too.
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>>719739200
Is it, then? Then why are so many Atheists supporting Trump? Terrible troll. Since I seem to be the only actual human in here at this point, I'll drop it :D. Have a good day :D. I don't think your boss will be giving you any tendies, though. Seriously. He should fire you. You're just not very good at this :(.
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>>719739365
People support Trump because he appeals to base and extreme emotions. God has little to do with it.
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>>719739319
Ahh, another possible real person? Hard to say :D. I do agree with you on that one, but it really seems more about the fact that Canada pays off their poor people so they don't try to kill us. It's a pretty decent way to go for us, but I don't think it's very possible in the USA.
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>>719738740
>a few weeks ago
yeah speeding fines double during the Christmas / new year period in an effort to curb fools on the roads. normal fines are not that high.

yea, compared to $600+ , $150 would be great! - i am under no impression that costs of living are not high here, they are. but it evens out a bit when you consider that the same job thats pays $6 an hour in the US, pays $32 a hour here. idk
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>>719739457
No, people support Trump because they believe in freedom of speech and expression, and they can't take screaming teenage girls bouncing around everywhere telling them to check their privilege, that there are 735 genders, and that they are really apache helicopters :D.
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>>719738606
>>719738606

haha you only think this way because you swallow whole the propaganda big medicine feeds you through the media.

you are so afraid of ever having to contribute to someone else that you ignore the fact that you would benefit also.
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>>719739492
Yeah, I liked Aus. Car expense aside. Although, it was super cheap and faster to take the train and I could rent a car there for $30/day - a flat $30/day, not like here where $30 is really $130. I just don't know how that could be moved over here. Australia is so self contained, I think that's how they do it. The other problem with Australia is the internet, but that's another discussion, lol.
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>>719735095

Alt-right online-nazis are the only ones the would use the word "civilized" in connection with Donald Trump.
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>>719735095

>Trump
>savior of western civilization
>Donald Trump

Are you really that desperate?
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>>719739716
Exactly, the rest of us just call ourselves a 'basket of deplorables'
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>>719739468
Everyone is real, dude. And yes, it's a form of "pay off", but it keeps less people being desperate, which makes for less madness. But yes, it's exponentially harder as population goes up.

>>719739557
But why don't they believe that those people should be able to express themselves? seems contradictory.
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>>719735095
I don't have any particular problem with expanding health insurance availability or forcing insurance companies to compete with each other.

I do think it's annoying as fuck to be forced to have insurance or get hit with a massive fine. I'm HEALTHY. It's bullshit that I should shell out $200 a month for something I don't need. Emergency care? Bitch I sliced my hand to the bone on a piece of scrap metal and I fixed that shit with gauze and duct tape. Unless I'm in a massive car wreck, I don't need emergency care, and if I'm injured badly enough that I'm going to need 5 fucking years of rehab and physical therapy to recover then just let me fucking die.
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>>719739365
ATHEISTS??? In my america?

First of all, all you jew niggers arent getting your weekly abortion

Trump doesnt support atheism he said so in his campaign he is a man of god and not at all a liar
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>>719735095
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>>719739882
Of course those people should be allowed to express themselves. That's not the issue. It's fairly obvious that the driving force behind all of that is a government funded propaganda machine. Limit or end that funding, replace those cabinet members, higher ups, and the trend will change. Girls will start gushing about something different. It's how things go.
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>>719739999
The jews are definitely paying you to shill for the negro al sharpton coalition
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>>719739952
Wow that is incredibly short sighted. You know accidents usually happen on accident.
And if you have bad luck one time your life is ruined. Why would you be so cheap?
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>>719739970
Terrible shill, sigh. Seriously. You just eat up the criticisms, too. It's interesting. I guess you gotta get paid, like everyone else :D.
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>>719739882
They can express themselves - it's when they try to force me to use their words, and accept their delusions as truth that I get pissy.

"I'm a tri-gender biracial wolfkin!"
"You're a fucking idiot."
"HOW DARE YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST ME YOU SHOULD BE IN JAIL YOU RACIST HOMOPHOBIC SCUM RAPE! RAAAAPE"
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>>719740051
ROFL, terrible shill. Really. You have no clue what platform you are pretending to support. It's obvious and bad. I don't think you're capable of learning better, either. You're doing a rough approximation, but it fails in too many ways to be useful to you.
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I haven't been sick for 5 years, but apparently I need to spent $300 a month or I get a huge fine that gets bigger. every year.
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>>719735095

>implying the people who voted for Donald Trump represent or do know what western civilization is
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>>719740165
Exactly. Then you get banned, meanwhile you have the right to express yourself as well. You have as much a right to call her an idiot as she has a right to be an idiot.
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>>719739952
Clearly you don't understand Insurance.

If you want to shill the "Libertarian" approach, of going your own way, without regulation, then you should also be refused any Government Assistance, like Emergency Room Aid if you are destitute or simply not "Liquid" at the moment.

Perphaps you shouldn't use Government built roads that you don't want to pay for since you have perfectly healthy 4x4 vehicles that can go everywhere over unpaved terrain ?

m-faces-w...
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>>719740065
Because I would rather work less and have more than prepare for a bad circumstance that is unlikely to ever happen.

People aren't meant to live forever, and people aren't meant to be corralled into boxes for 40-50 hours a week. Sickness happens, injury happens, and I want to go fishing instead of being trapped in an office so I can pay for shit I don't want or need.
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>>719739769

Yes, which is why people voted for him.
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This one here made me actually feel sorry.
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>>719740195
>>implying the people who voted for Donald Trump represent or do know what western civilization is

> implying they will miss it when it is gone....
I'm thinking they won't
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>>719739557

Trump doesn't believe in freedom of speech though, he want stronger censorship on the internet, sues people for hurting his feelings and believes in creating 'safe spaces'.

I voted for him but certainly not for that reason!
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>>719735095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOed-P0qmc8&t=0s
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>>719740092
>>719740181
Hey buddy
I know how you feel

Scared
Frightened
Willing to pretend to be nonchalant while still replying to bait

But have you even once considered that that is exactly what the jew liberal propaganda machine wants you to do?
I mean seriously you might as well be a welfare smoking negro if you lefties think you can take this wonderful land of ours and turn it into a shithouse pc palace

Ronald reagen would be rolling over in his grave seeing this many liberal cucks pretending to be conservative like you
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>>719736297
45000 is such a small number though. Why institute a shitty plan that saves so few people, yet costs so much?
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>>719739663

Australia is pretty self contained, traditionally because of our isolation and all that. worlds a smaller place now.

sometimes i wonder how we ended up with a health system that works so well and is so cheap because early in our days we would often look to other western countries like the US for ideas and tips on how to do things. i think we based our health system on the UK's though, which seems very similar to ours now.

Internet in Australia is our secret shame, its cheap for slow internet and expensive for less slower internet :D
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I hate it because I'm oilfield trash.
Absolute cheapest plan for me is $300/mo, and it's worthless as I'm not covered in most areas I'm working, and I'd have to get a pcp referral even if the clinic was covered. Over $1k/mo for a plan that would actually be useful.
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>>719740248
Yeah, that's kind of the route I'm going with it. I take care of myself. I'll buy medicine if I've got spare cash, but I self-treat everything wrong with me. That's only dangerous when idiots start buying snake oil, but I don't really care if the idiot population starts dying out.

As far as roads - roads have utility. They are literally good for everyone. Forcing everyone to have insurance is so that healthy people, who wouldn't normally buy insurance because they don't need medical insurance or assistance, pay into a system that supports the weak, dumb, and sickly and can keep the system afloat when fat fucks inevitably drain it to the point where it becomes insolvent.
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>>719736499

>55%
>not including all those who decided neither Trump or Clinton were worth voting for

It's closer to 80%.
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>>719740165
How are you forced? Internet articles? And you're willing to take whatever government promised to get rid of this vague SJW boogeyman? Fearmongering has reached amazing levels.

>>719739999
What issues do you think a nefarious shadow group is paying people to care about?
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>>719738881
Republicans sabotaged ACA as much as they could, then blamed the impact of Sabotage on the ACA itself.

No Legislative Initiative can deliver on its promise when it is subject to determined sabotage by subsequent legislation and executive actions at the state level.

It is like walking up to someone's Mercedes Benz and torching it and saying "See, Mercedes are an eyesore and fire danger".

mfw
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>>719740296
Well, that's fine, but if your wife or sister or brother gets really sick, and the bills put the whole family in debt? Or would you just say to a loved one "fuck it, people die"?
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as an european I don't understand you americans at all.
you want to be patriotic but you let your fellow americans die because you don't want to pay for insurance of others.
because well, if they can't afford it, its their fault.
your hatred on "Obamacare" was so big that you would let fellow americans fall in deep financial crisis, let young single mothers fall in despair and hopelessness.
you're not christian neither you are patriotic.
you're narcissistic and self-driven egomaniacs.

your nation gave me cancer. and I'm going to get my free treatment now because here in the modern west, people care for each other even if they don't benefit from them.
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>>719740065
What's so short sighted? If he is willing to accept the risk of a higher chance of an early death there is nothing wrong with what he wrote. Why do you feel the need to police everyone to live to 70+? Will you take away my ability to smoke and drink next?
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He's just going to make a few tiny changes, call it Trumpcare and then everyone will think it's a great idea.

Forcing an unpopular nickname on the ACA was a genuis move from the Republicans. Much like you could stop a lot of people from drinking milk if you only had the media refer to it as 'RapingBabiesIsOkay Juice'.
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>>719740659
Tell that to a canadian college professor who is being sued because he won't use transgender students preferred pronouns, being cited as "engaging in dehumanizing abuse of students and discriminating against people self-identifying as non-binary genders, and advocating for violence against transgender peoples."
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>>719740844

*genius

Of all the words to make a typo on...
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>>719740712
To be fair a destroyed Mecedes Benz would be an eyesore no matter how it came to that state. If something can be sabotaged and is sabotaged then it was never going to work in the first place so why cry about what could have been? We got shit on a platter with ACA why defend it so hard?
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>>719740802
HAHAHHA FAGGOT

WHAT ARE YOU SOME GAY LIBERALL HAHAHAH XD
YOU SO SHILL DONT EVEN KNOW
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>>719740755
I think you underestimate my family.

We all have DNRs on file. If we are injured to the point of helplessness and life support, we want to die. Literally all of us.
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>>719740802
There is no reason to save people who don't care enough to live in the first place. If they can't work off their own debt or have been given a shitty hand by life then it should be up to their family or community to support them not some stranger who lives across the country from them.
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>>719735334
>can afford big boy insurance
>works for someone else

lol. try running your own business you fucking cog, then tell me how you are a "big boy"
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Obamacare payed my mother's cancer treatment. She's 82 and lived in a retirement home.
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>>719740955
I agree if I was put into a coma with a sub 40% chance of waking uo I would want my family to pull the plug as soon as the doctor would let them.
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>>719735445
this year was rough because for sure ACA needs fixed. Especially if you live in a red state - the exchanges were fucked up.

but w/e socialized medicine / universal healthcare makes more sense to me than 8 people owning half the wealth in the world. I guess that makes me a fucking communist or something?

I love hearing "Christians" complain about universal healthcare. You know those fags are going straight to hell when they die.
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>>719740802
We're not patriotic in that we love the people that make up our country. We're patriotic in that we love the opportunities that are available in our country. The freedom of movement, economic and literal, the freedom of expression, whether religious or political. The freedom to make our own mistakes and make our own fortunes. That's why our entire ideology around the USA is "land of the free."

FUCK the people.
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>>719735780
>being a doctor is a money making business
muricah
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>>719740920
So if a person took a Shotgun to your face, and it stole your face, then your face was going to fall off anyhow.....

I see your thinking, and recommend a CPU Upgrade.
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>>719741101
Uhhh because that big eared nigger wants my tax dollars to pay for some ungodly abortion that my moral values cant stomach!
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>>719740995
yeah sure. because things like getting cancer are indicators for "not caring enough to live in the first place".
Your worldview is so simplified it almost hurts.
You're proud to be american but you give a shit about americans.
bravo
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>>719740874
I'm well aware of Pederson, and also Canada is different from the US, and also he is picking that fight - which he absolutely should, because freedom of speech here in iglooland is pretty weak.

However, deep down, that whole thing is a strawman to divide people. Very few are affected, it should be a non issue, but it appeals to emotion, so it plays. But the same person that owns Fox owns Vice and runs both extremes.
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>>719736292
I honestly hope that trump will just say fuck you to everyone and institute single payer
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>>719736457
you are wrong about this... pre ACA you could do certain types of insurance.. for example, I have depression so I would have to ( be able to ) negotiate with my insurnace company. They would cover me, BUT nothing mental health related. I'd order my meds from india/uk basically.

but yeah after ACA went into effect, it changed how they did business. But you know what, I'm ok with ACA - It needed work, but the old way was really fucked up. People going bankrupt left and fucking right because someone in the family gets cancer, or gets hit by a car or w/e.

>>719736615
you know that ACA helped prop up medicare for a few more years? You know that republicans just made it so that the OMB cannot discuss how much money repealing ACA will cost? literally the group in charge of budgets is NOT ALLOWED to discuss how much money it will cost. repubs fucking kill me.
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>>719735095
Exactly
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>>719741237
If you get cancer because you don't take care of yourself or budget your money in such a way that you can't afford cancer screenings without stealing from someone else, yes.
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>>719736365
>i havent been to the doctor in 15 years
i'm immortal
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>>719741056
Stewie with hair.
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>>719740955
Injured? what of something like cancer? you're willing to watch loved ones waste away for months, maybe years?
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>>719738112
fuck you I pay 1200 p/y in the US now. plus we have hidden fucking cameras everywhere so tickets just show up in the mail.

you mean I could get free healthcare too?
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>>719736507
b8
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>>719735095
СОСИ ХУЙ ПИДАР
>>
Your lib nonsense is soon over
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>>719741130
are you stupid or something?
Its the first line in the fucking constitution.
It says, right at the beginning.

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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>>719736821
>The majority of the people voted for him
kek, back to /pol/ you go
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>>719741320
>repubs fucking killing me

qft
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>>719736978
yeah, like in europe, huge shortage of doctors

retard
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>>719741390
YEP.

We can either drag the entire family into bankruptcy and suffering getting it treated (even with insurance, because of maximum coverage bullshit and non-supported procedures), or just accept that our time has come.

Whether we waste away or take it into our own hands is a choice each member of my family ponders.
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>>719741343
you know that like, you can get cancer even if you keep yourself fit all the time?
good god, you are stupid.
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>>719737222
kek check
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>>719741472
>welfare

I knew you jew niggers were conspiring to take my money, if it isnt taking god out of our nations anthem its taking money out of god you niggers will stop at nothing to propagate your jew agenda
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>>719741512
Europe is all white people stupid
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>>719741343
You Dumb Shit....cancer screenings don't prevent you from getting cancer.

They only help you learn, after screening, that you need expensive testing and treatment.

You will still be a burden on the state, unless you have saved hundreds of thousands or millions to pay for the treatment.

This is beyond citizens who earn minimum, or blue-collar wages.

You are such a trolling fuckwad.
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>>719741514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhnAZFR1po
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>>719741581
you know that you are quoting the constitution, right?
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>>719741390
or a kidney transplant? lol shit that you could survive...

My wife had a kidney transplant, and she was just booted off medicare - so yeah. no insurance will touch us. No idea what I'm going to do - we are both self employed. Fuck Trump, fuck republicans, fuck you kuks. I'm going to go bankrupt so some jews on wall street can get richer, so trump can live out his dictator fantasy, and some red neck fuckholes can say Nigger again.

the small pleasure I get is that you rural dumb fucks live your small shitty little lives. You are like little smelly moles living underground. You are dog that pisses the carpet, and your rich jew overlords rub your faces in it.

here borrow money
oh I'm stealing your house

i need a job
sure - lets destroy your unions, remove all the health regs, slave away in this shit factory for a few bucks a day and lick my balls for the opportunity
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>>719740712
them nasty oleeee REPUBLICANS
COULD HAVE SIMPLY used their majority in 010 to defund the damn
thing they did not
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>>719738338
and that's why people are individually worse off
(except the 1% of course, they're fucking you)
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>>719735095
Live in California, electcted educated law makers in state Assembly who support this bill. Premium went up 5% and have access to way better care.
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>>719741514
uuuh...well, here in Canada, with our universal healthcare, I've seen two friends beat cancer and not go bankrupt. If I have to shell out 50-80 a month for that, I'm okay.
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>>719741472
I don't see your point? The USA is a collective, yes. Individuals have no power. But the ENTIRE reason that collective was formed was to have the freedom to make individual level choices about how we live and act, not to become a nation of people dependent on one another.
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Im a rich white male from California and all you conservatives will still be poor regardless of the current administration.
Suck socialized medicine up and pay faggots.
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>>719740802
Socialized healthcare leads to greatly increased cost, shortages, and bad service.
What you advocate is the basic communist ideology. We want everyone to have a job - so let's have government run the economy. We want everyone to have housing, so let the government create housing. We want everyone to have medical care, so let the government run all doctors and hospitals. We want the people to have food, so let government control food supply.
As was shown in the extreme in communist countries, this leads to shortages, technological stagnation, and greatly inferior outcomes. This is still true in socialistic countries of Europe to a great degree.
You are lucky the USA still has a somewhat free healthcare sector. Just like the soviet union was lucky that the usa was around, so they could try to copy all our technology, like our cars, our medical devices, everything, even though they were always way, way behind. Without the usa, medicine in europe would stagnate, no technological advancement, crap service, and shortages.
What medicine needs is to be affordable. What will make it affordable is freedom and capitalism, just as it has in every other industry from food, to computers, to cars. The problem is medical care is getting too expensive and the poor are getting screwed. But the problem has been created by the government. The problem of unaffordable medicine is not more government, it is more freedom, competition, and market forces. Then health care will continue to advance, prices will come down, and efficiency will rise.
If you were in a socialist economy and saw the people could not afford food, your solution would be for the government to take over the entire food sector to "save" all the poor people, because otherwise you think they will starve. But the real solution, in fact, would be freedom. Then there would be cheap food in abundance, and problem would disappear.
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>>719741435
>ПИДАР
great spelling there mr trump
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>>719741673
I hardly doubt that the first settlers did everything each on their own.
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>>719741435
>СОСИ ХУЙ ПИДАР
Well said!
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>>719741674
Hey white boi, I'm stealing your car
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>>719736711
>freeshit
shut your bitch ass up and go back to sucking the 1% dick you shill whore
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>>719741514
or you could just get medical insurance, and be fine. but w/e helps you sleep at night.

does it bother you that rich people never think like this? if we get sick we don't even think about hospital costs. It is literally an inconvenience. We worry about the family member - I've had 2 family survive cancer. The money was never ever discussed.

But you have to come to terms with death, and you are ok with that. Shit you probably voted for Trump .
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>>719737508
Your wife just didn't work hard enough to not get cancer and now her neighbors paid for the treatment, socialist scum.
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>>719741643
Listen you jew fuck, you are obviously a trolling shill hired by hillary clinton and her reptillian lackeys
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>>719741585
where the fuck have you been the past 2 years, it's full of goatfuckers, and even before, it was full of niggers and romanians and the system held up well
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>>719736978
Sweden has single payer system and more doctors per capita then US. >>719738096
Go back to stromfront cuck
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>>719736711
>feels they deserve free shit from others for nothing.

you mean all the fucking taxes I pay? That should just go to bombing sand niggers, propping up banks, making sure companies get good tax breaks ... and not taking care of my family?

yeah so selfish of me.
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>>719741620
finding cancer sooner saves money you fucktard
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>>719740246
You have no right to harass her
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>>719741649
They would have had the same problem that they have now, they can't legislate it away without pissing off millions of Americans (now 20 million) who benefit from the ACA.

Hmmmm, that's about 6-10 million MORE votes for Hillary....

They were too fucking smart to try that shit.
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>>719741835
Sweedes... all whites, lol
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>>719738096
the reason the middle class get fucked is because the upper class get major tax breaks and incentives to not pay. so you end up having to pay for it.

source: i am a richfag that doesn't pay taxes.
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>>719741667
That's nice. The USA doesn't have your healthcare system, and Obamacare is not a single player full coverage system. All it is is a mandate forcing you to have insurance and making it a little easier to find coverage. That insurance doesn't necessarily cover your illness, your procedures, your medication, your treatments, or your surgeries, and not all doctors accept all insurances. And if it DOES cover your particular brand of disease or injury, it doesn't necessarily cover all the costs associated with it, or there might be a wall that you have to pay for yourself before they will provide supplemental coverage.

Relatively decent insurance in the USA (in the sense that unless you get cancer or have full body injury or require open heart surgery, you probably won't go bankrupt if you get it treated) is about $300 a month single person, $800 for a family.
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>>719741709
This is all bullshit. THe guy who cooked these lies up for the Insurance industry now recants and regrets his immoral screed.
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>>719741647
I'm sorry, man. That is fucked.

Me, the guy you responded to, I'm all for people not suffering because of greed and myopia. And I think the whole reason for the government is to prevent that.
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>>719741777
god knows what is up

>>719738096
christ you are fucking stupid. those people go to ERs anyway, the hospital absorbs the cost and passes it on to everyone else.

god it is so amazing how the top 1% have convinced everyone that "poor" people are somehow the problem.

8 people own 50% of the worlds wealth, and you think that poor people are the enemy.

what. the. fuck.
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>>719741882
what the fuck does it matter, the us spends 3 times per person and gets fuck all in return
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>>719741647
>booted off medicare
How?

Or do you mean Medicaid? The'll toss you in a heart beat if your earnings are over the limit.
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>>719735445
Doesn't make sense. Nobody forces doctors to take Obamacare.
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Being rich in America is literally the greatest. fucking retard rednecks helped my bottom line kek
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