You president you lose.

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>>719711907

dank meme OP

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Pence's memes are far more dope. In fact you could say they're electrifying

>>719711907
Why do all conservatives look like such crybabies?

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>>719713016

BERNIE GOT JIPPED

FUCK THE DNC

>>719713128
Because they fucking are crybabies

>>719713016
*sigh*
Oh what could have been...

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>>719711907
Baaakaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>719713157
You're a fucking retard if you think that picture is even remotely true. Bernie is a commie shitlord. Kill yourself, tool.

>>719713404

Get the anger out. This place is a healthy venting space. Good for you for not shooting up a mall instead.

>>719713404
>Salt salt salty salt salt salt
Someone's triggered.

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>>719713692
Is that Putin?

>>719713784
I guess you could say that's Trump Putin Vladimirs dick in his mouth

>>719713404

Democratic Socialist not Communist.

Why isn't this common knowledge by now?

>>719711907
>>719712231
I get that Trump was trying to cover base with Pence on his side. It's still a bad idea to get anyone popular by evangelicals to gain power. The fundamentalist religious assholes need to be thrown out of the conservative base. Catholics and other religious groups against abortion will still side with Republicans even if they don't have any representation. The issue of abortion alone is good enough for them.

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Boom

>>719714651

"YYYUGE"

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>>719714651
that bitch is wearing a shanwow

>>719714544
I swear you can write a sitcom only by looking at all this people.

>>719714772
George is perfect for it all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4wKg2Ddoas&feature=youtu.be#t=17

>>719714581
she had to wear gloves to avoid direct contact with any holy items

>>719713217
As opposed to all the SJW, left, and liberal crybabies? Literally, right now? Are you serious? You must be joking. No one is that retarded... Unless... You, anon, you got an extra chromosome? I got a good feeling you do!

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>>719714185
that is Communism

>>719713157
Show me a real life example of communism that looks like that

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>>719720178
Cutting into the profits of the elite who own the business? Bastards! I need that rolls-royce!

>>719720229
>Doesn't work out in a couple seperate attempts, with each doing better than the last

Well, time to give up.

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>>719720313
>letting homeless people in your house

get the fuck out of here

>>719719955
>Albert Camis

>>719719661
1980's Donald trump could of been a fun dude to hang with doing coke lines n drinking whiskey!

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OC

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>>719720462
>Gross oversimplification of economic system
HEH TAKE THAT COMMIE

>>719712510
>>719712510
>DICK
>FUCKING
>COWBOY

I can't believe that he wore that.

>>719720542
He doesn't drink or do drugs

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>>719720625
>oversimplification

>>719720625
And that's why it never collapsed... oh wait, it did.

I just want to say, for the record: I fully believe Donny's banging hookers every chance he gets (Melania's getting old, yo), and it really just makes me like him more.

>>719720755
The worker does not have a choice because he/she must work in order to buy necessities. Whether they work at one place or another, it doesn't matter because their labor will be exploited regardless.

>>719720843
Not because of the economy, but because of politics.

>>719720856
Melania a cute
CUTE

>>719720899
Politics ties into the economy.

>>719720743
If you believe that, you're an idiot. But it's ok, because I don't trust a man who hasn't done a bump off a hooker's ass at least once in his life.

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>>719720860
you do have a choice
start your own business

pic related

>>719720625
And yet the USSR still fell apart because of economic troubles.

Going back to their GDP growing it's mostly because Russia's GDP was at fucking rock bottom. Anything would have been better than the chaos of the revolution and the restructuring that followed. After that there was war where many of their materials were supplied by the US. Following that was their expansion into multiple foreign nations helping to bolster their economy further.

The USSR's economy was a joke

>>719720964
You know, like 20 years ago, I totally would have, but nowadays, she's kinda starting to look like Bruce Jenner.

>>719720743
Maybe not now. But he did at one point.

>>719721003
The soviet system collapsed because of Gorbachev's failures as a leader. The majority of soviet citizens did not want the union to dissolve, and even today most russians lament the fall of the USSR. If it was so terrible and there was no food and shit like the media would have you believe, they wouldn't have wanted to remain under the "oppressive" system.

>>719721139
Yeah, and everyone can start their own business? Who would work there? You need capital to start a business and the mass of laborers cannot get capital because everything they earn must be spent on shelter and food to survive. Even then they need government assistance like welfare.

>>719721182

but that daughter though..

if i was don i'd be a dad, and a daddy

>>719721315
True dat. I actually fucked a Dutch hooker last year who looked a lot like Ivanka. Resemblance didn't hit me until later and I laughed my ass off.

>>719721151
So stale was the Soviet economy that the typical Russian had nothing to spend their money on. You know what they did with all that money? They saved it. Either in the bank or in shoe boxes. They had so much saved that a typical worker could take a year or two off from work and live off their savings. Socialism is shitty system.

>>719721268
>Yeah, and everyone can start their own business?

>Who would work there?

>You need capital to start a business and the mass of laborers cannot get capital because everything they earn must be spent on shelter and food to survive
Get a loan or get a job and save some money so you can have capital to start a business

Once you start your own business then you can hire people to run the business and you never have to work again!

>>719720860
Workers aren't really exploited. At least not in most western countries.

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>>719711907

>>719720860
You dont need an iphone, food grow on tho dirt and you have a lot of wild life to get food from
You can just leave civilization behind and live as a free soul, but you want a warm bad and youtube, dont you?

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>>719721496
>get a loan

You need collateral for a loan. What collateral does the laborer have? The average laborer needs to spend all their money to survive, how will they save? Your position so far is pretty naive, that everyone has a chance and everyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. That's simply not the case.

>>719721620
>Yeah well if you don't like it go somewhere else!
I want the world to be better for everyone, not just me, and the way to do that is to spread socialism.

>>719721726
>You need collateral for a loan.

then get a job save your money

Once you start your own business then you can hire people to run the business and you never have to work again!

>>719721726
>>719721496
It's like a bucket of crabs all trying to crawl out and constantly getting sucked back in by other crabs trying to get out

>>719721836
Did you even read my post?

>>719721620
Actually, you can't because that would be vagrancy.,you need a permit to camp somewhere outside of designated camp sites, and those cost money.

>>719721883
yes

what the problem?

>>719721268
As a Russian, my blood boils when I read this type of stuff
"AMERIKA IS OPPRESIVE, BECAUSE THE WORKER CANT DO SHIT AND IS A SLAVE!"
"WOW SOCIALISM IS THE BEST, BECAUSE THE WORKER IS FREE TO WORK 16H A DAY TO THE PARTY SO THE OFFICIALS CAN RAPE THEIR DAUGHTERS AND KILL ANYONE WHO DONT AGREE WITH THEM!"

I hope you have a Revolution, then the rednecks and niggers will be the members of the party and you effeminate retards will be killed to give space to more rednecks and niggers

>>719721726
I don't need to spend all my money to survive and I'm below the poverty line. I have enough money for luxury goods and frivolous things

>>719720532
I wonder if that Barron kid masturbates furiously to Melania every night, cause I sure would do that if i were him

>>719722037
YOU CANT SAVE MONEY
ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!

YOU CANT PULL YOURSELF FROM YOUR BOOTSTRAPS!!!1!

>>719721989
I addressed your point in that post

>>719722008
>It went poorly once so lets never try it again!
The USSR was state capitalist, not socialist. Under a capitalist system things inevitably degrade. Shit may be ok now but it will just get worse. What happens once climate change catches up to us? When we can't export all our hard, oppressive labor needs to third world countries?

>>719722037
Congratz, you're not at the bottom

>>719721726
You want the world to be the way you want it to be. You think that you have the solution, but you dont.
URSS only survived for that long time because Russia was an HUGE EMPIRE before, and because of the will of my people to live.
You dont know shit about URSS and Russia, please dont spread bullshit in the name of your sick slavery fetshist desert cult

>>719722271
Not everyone can. If everyone does, then no one does, because there are only so many good jobs and the rest, shit labor, must still be performed. See >>719721849

>>719722272
i addressed your point

Save. Your. Money.
Start. Your. Own. Business.

it's not that hard...
quit being a loser

>>719722360
>sick slavery fetishist desert cult
Wut

>>719722397
Not. Everyone. Can.
Not. Everyone. Can. Own. A. Business.
Not. Everyone. Has. Capital.
Not. Everyone. Has. Collateral. To. Get. A. Loan

>>719722272
>once
>once
>once

>>719721620
And everyone can do this? Every person in the country can just fuck off and live off the land?

Are you retarded?

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>>719722528
>Lets not mention all the failed capitalist states

>>719722514
Yes. Everyone. Can.

they just are lazy or they have a loser's mentally
it's no wonder they are poor

>>719722629
mentality*

>>719714889

>winks at putin
Bush was a riot!

>>719722629
Lets imagine that everyone does that. Everyone starts their own business, everyone "pulls themselves up by their bootstraps".

Who works at the businesses? Who does the shitty jobs at the bottom?

>>719722742
robots

>>719722397
I make about 1100 a month.
my rent is 550. my electric is around 110. My food is about 200 and I do not buy shit instant food. I don't even own a microwave and home make everything. the rest of my money goes to medical bills and my car.
woo capitalism.

>>719722792
At where we're at right now that solution isn't feasable

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>>719720166
"socialism" but i don't fault you for being retarded

>>719722271
Shit, you're right anon. I should just stop working right now and stop buying precious metals when I can.

There absolutely no way I can get a promotion at work even though my bosses told me they were training me for a management position in the first month with no college education. There's no way I can improve my own life through my own initiative.

>>719722809
I suggest you start making more money to cover your expensive.

>>719720340
Hahahahahahah

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>>719722809
>>719722876

Thank god someone else on my side lol, it's been me vs 3 people

>>719721989
I love this shit. If everyone had their own business, then everyone wouldnt have someone to work under them. But if you had your own business, youd have someone to work for you, but you wouldnt cause theyd be working at their own business MAGAMAGMAMGMAMGAMGMAMGAGMAGMAMGMAMGA MAKAE AMAAEKEAIRICA GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>719722626
list some for me

>>719722742
literally everyone already does this. you sell your time and energy for cash

>what if everyone got a fucking job
my god, how horrifying

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>>719722923
Good boy!

dont let them enslave you!

>>719722961
You sell your time and energy for a fraction of what it is worth because it's the only option since you don't have enough capital saved to start your own business, and the remained is enjoyed by a super-rich class with golden humvees

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>>719720743
gr8 b8 m8

>>719720008
>facts unrelated to how well a political party will run a country
>gloss over the only meaningful fact that democrats are more educated
>r-republicans are b-better than d-d-democucks haha rite guiz?

>>719722961
what the fuck lmfao how are you not realizing that not everyone can own their own business. You need someone to work at the bottom in capitalism.

>>719722626
Maybe you're right. Considering that capitalism led directly to you being able to shitpost your misguided beliefs on an underwater basketweaving forum, perhaps capitalism really has failed.

>>719722925
pretty impossible to do since I work mixed shifts at my current job. Not many people want employees with a schedule like "monday, wednesday and fridays" and I can't quit my job without another one because I would risk losing my apartment and livlihood.
For example, my ex girlfriend once applied for a job and quit hers only to be told a week later after they hired her that her position was filled.
The poorer you are, the more you pay and the higher the risks and firm financial planning is about minimizing risks. Not taking them on.

>>719723098
see
>>719720462

it's freedom
it's mutual benefit
it's win win

unless you're stupid

>>719723233
try to invest in a skill?
education?

i don't know how i can help you man...

>>719721849
>/b/ in a post

>>719720178
It's almost as if there is a reasonable compromise between the unlivable 7.50 an hour that is currently in place and ludicrously high numbers that republicans keep picking. Say... I don't know. 15 dollars an hour?

>>719722809

1100 a month? Stop flipping burgers and get a carrier

>>719723428
why 15? why not 50?

don't you want more, not less?

>>719723217
actually, the internet was a based on the DARPANET. A government ran program. Computers were also developed as a government program after the building of the atomic bomb as a pet project.

>>719722959
>>719722959
USA, great depression. Required socialist policies to fix the economy.

France, can't recall the year but the king allowed lazzies-faire capitalism then shut it down because the price of bread soared and people starved.

Weimar republic, system couldn't handle the reparations required and inflated to hell. Can't blame capitalism entirely for this one but partially, yeah

Augusto Pinochet in Chile

>>719723530
It's based on what is required for a baseline quality life, not just some random number people picked

>>719720008
The only thing I got anissue wïh there is that it makes it seem like democrats are all jews
In reality democrats are all black(christians), spanish(christians), neckbeards(atheists], and college kids(atheists)
All of those groups individually outnumber the jews in this country

>>719722876
Ahhhh Sweden, the land currently being raped by browns.

>>719723578
why only a baseline quality life?

>>719723207
You need someone to work at the bottom in communism. There will always be a need for someone to clean the toilets and change the garbage. There will always be a need for someone to shovel the shit from the stables or to take calls.

>>719723376
hes not asking for your help. Its a point that not everyone is in this position to just make a shit ton of fuckin money if they felt like it. The system is rigged against the majority of the people and people like you just think its laziness

>>719723207
no you dont. a business dosent mean you have employees

>>719723645
Because that's what the minimum wage was originally intended to do

>>719722742
Let's imagine that everyone took a fat shit on your chest at the same time. Wouldn't that be insane?

That's what your argument sounds like. Imagine everyone does that? There is no world where everyone will try to start a business. Most people don't want nor have the capacity to. But, because every successful business means a higher demand for jobs, that means that if many (not all) people create businesses, that will mean more choice and better wages for workers.

The problem right now is that there is a stunt in entrepreneurial growth. There are barriers to entry that don't need to be there. Remove the barriers, let people start businesses unabated, and competition will work to benefit everyone like it always has.

>>719723524
>get a carrier

I wish, then I could roam the high seas picking on merchant shipping

>>719723645
baseline as in the minimum amount to have a livable wage. which is why its the MINIMUM WAGE.

>>719723530
15$/hr is a good wage for untrained labor. Quality of life without any need for welfare. Less people on welfare means more tax dollars.

>>719723646
no one is advoacting communism. Were tlaking about socialism. And obviously people have ot work the bottom shit head. Im not the one saying we have to have everyone starting their own business. WE want a normal fuckin wage

>>719722809
Sounds like you're just dumb and lazy. If you were a little smarter, you could get a better job.

>>719723720
>>719723748

why not have a high minimum wage so that everyone can have a high quality life?

>>719723720
It's what it does right now. It provides you with baseline quality of life. Didn't someone say that the poor have to spend everything to survive?

>>719723825
because thats not how economics works kiddo. Finish high school then come back and talk with the adults.

>>719723730
That was my point! Not everyone can start a business so your idea that the poor are just lazy is bullshit. Some people have to be poor for the system to work.

The more successful a business gets the more the wealth concentrates at the top because of all the excess wealth being created and not given to the workers. These big business owners then purposefully buy out and monopolize to stop others from coming up because they know there have to be poor people

>>719723825
That's not feasible in a capitalist economy

>>719723848
The minimum wage right now is not enough to provide a base quality of life, that's why people at mcdonalds are instructed in how to apply for welfare

>>719723537
Just because the base of internet was started by the government doesn't mean it had anything to do with the many future innovations that lead to this site. Nor did it have anything to do with the devices you are using to type your shitposts.

If the internet were started and controlled (ie socialized) by the government, this site would most likely not exist.

>>719723825
youre trying to get some kind of "Cause that would be dumb" response, so i dont know what to tell you.

The more people not dying from poverty is a good thing. The more people educated is a good thing. The more people fed is a good thing.

Some how you think one guy owning more food then he could ever eat in a lifetime is okay even if 1000 people die because he didnt fairly give it out. He doesnt have to give it out for free obviously, but not at some astronomical price.

>>719723809
Then get a b e t t e r j o b. Minimum wage provides you with what you need to survive which is what someone is arguing people need to be paid. If you're on minimum wage and you can afford all your bills but nothing luxurious or any really big dreams then isn't minimum wage working as intended?

>>719723848
Yes they spend everything they have. That doesn't mean they are getting all they need. If I gave you one dollar a month and you spent it, it doesnt mean that you're getting everything you need.

>>719724008
I think anon is trying to get us to say that would cause inflation and ruin things then he'll say "WELL THAT'S WHAT'LL HAPPEN IF YOU RAISE IT TO 15"

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>>719723910
>>719723932

you guys dont understand economics

see pic

>>719714651
>719714651
how is it possible for one man to never take a good picture. I mean he isn't a great looking dude but I don't think I've seen a single picture of him that doesn't look fucked up

>>719723932
>The minimum wage right now is not enough to provide a base quality of life
lol. it absolutely can, you just need to not be stupid and blow your money on crab legs

>>719722876
Scandinavia is social democracies bernie is a democratic socialist is not the same bernie will have focus on socialism while in Scandinavia they don't

>>719724027
HOLY. FUCK. YOURE RETARDED.

Eating, being clothed, having a home, education, and medical coverage are not luxuries items. These are NECESSITIES. You need to be able to have these in life. Getting a better job is completely dependent upon these things. YOU NEED A MINIMUM WAGE HIGH ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS. W H Y D O N T Y O U U N D E R ST A N D T H A T.

>>719723932
Are you talking about part time workers or full time workers? If the full time workers can get by without welfare then once again, isn't welfare working as intended?

>>719724028
And what do people need? Food, shelter and transport to get to work is the baseline for what you absolutely need. You actually don't need a wife, family and house or luxury goods. Those might be necessary for happiness but not for survival.

>>719724151
I don't feel like doing the math myself right now so here's an article
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/are-us-wages-enough-to-live-on/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/30/osbornes-national-living-wage-minimum-wage
http://www.epi.org/publication/minimum-wage-workers-poverty-anymore-raising/

>>719724328
Full time minimum wage workers cannot get by.
See >>719724336

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>>719724101
WOW! Did you draw this all by yourself? That's going right up on the fridge! Now go play with your toys while the grown ups talk about big boy things.

>>719723524
>get a carrier
Yeah, be edumacated, like this guy.

>>719724328
food, shelter and work lmfao

fuck clothes, education, medical coverage, and all the other things involved in a normal life. They should wake up, go to work, go home, die.

>>719723932
>a business

First off, my whole point is that many people starting businesses is where the benefit comes, ie competition. Not everyone can start a business, but most dont need to. Those that do create jobs and demands, which boosts wages and makes it so less people are poor.

But, that's not the situation were in right now, I agree with ya. But we disagree on why. The main reason wealth "concentrates at the top" has less to do with free markets and more to do with crony capitalism and manufactured barriers to entry. The main reason big business owners buy out others and monopolize (in some industries) is because of the barriers to entry that only big companies can wade through and take advantage of.

tl;dr: Your fear of monopoly is a direct result of government intervention, not capitalism. And even worse monopoly results from a centrally-run economy.

>>719724328
>Why can't the poor live in my perfect idealized reality where no one NEEDS to have a simple life where they can have children and a family? Let's just put them all in communal shelters and bus them to work!

>>719724245
Sure, nature gives you everything you need without work.

>>719723376
went to school for awhile as a computer science major, got on the deans list even. Got cellulitis half way in though and was hospitalized. Now they want me to pay back the loans before returning to school.
Which.. I'm just... Not paying at the moment.
They are just going to have to wait until after I finish paying back my medical bills from the infection.
Applied for a couple places in the comp sci field anyway. None will give me the time of day without a degree though. During one interview I even shook hands with the boss and welcomed me on the team only to have the hiring manager tell me shortly before my first day that I forgot to provide information on my degree.
All my other skills are pretty worthless. I can cook everything from italian, mexican, greek, and even vietnamese food.
I can draw, sculpt and paint, I can make my own wine, pressed my own olive oil, made my own yogurts and cheeses, and have done glass and copper distilling, I can hunt, tanned my own leather, taught myself how to repair everything on my car. Replaced the calipers, changed break pads, shit like that.
In the meantime I have no major artery in my left leg.

>>719724513
They create openings for exploitation. The wage system is exploitation no matter how highly you pay them, unless they pay them exactly the amount of wealth they generate in which case it's not even a wage.

Capitalism inevitably degenerates into crony capitalism, which is why everywhere started out as capitalist and is now crony capitalist. The government intervenes because big business buys it and makes it happen

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>>719724482
do you like this version better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgAiYWEiuls

do you not understand basic economics??

>>719724245
Of minimum wage rises, my business goes under do to my massive overhead. When my business goes under, my employees lose their jobs, along with myself. When we're jobless, we have no money. We then become dependent on the system. A system who then has to continue increasing taxes to pay for its out ravenous welfare programs. Why can't you understand that?

>>719724649
oh, I also studied metalurgy and made my own knives but I haven't done that since I was a kid. used to get loose railroad ties by the side of the train, detemper them to make knives

>>719724499
>normal life
you seem to confuse what you want with what life really is.

>>719724692
A socialist economy would not work the same as a capitalist one and therefore known measures of the success of a capitalist economy would not be accurate.

For example, in a socialist economy unemployment would be a good thing because it would mean there are more people than need to work. In capitalism most everyone has to work and that creates a lot of needless excess, like all the food that gets thrown out and all the goods that sit in the back of stores not getting sold.

>>719724649
try contract jobs
try staffing companies

no one asked me for my degree

good luck. i hope things work out

>>719724513
Also thank you for being cordial and polite in your arguments.

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>>719724823
>supply and demand does not apply to socialism

troll

>>719724101
That's an incredibly simplistic and quite frankly wrong model. Real life simply doesn't graph that nicely.

>>719724739
a company that cannot afford a raise for their lowest paid employees is going to go under anyways.

>>719724957
Some things are legitimately different.
Also see >>719725003

>>719724499
What do you mean, education. Everyone in the US gets education for free up to secondary education. If you mean university why would you expect to get a luxury education for free.

Now I don't know how it is where you work but I work at barely above minimum wage at a grocery store and I get benefits as a full time worker.

And yes, since we were originally talking about survival then you get up, go to work and repeat until you die.

>>719724649
Maybe there's something about you personally that people don't like. And that's why you rally don't get hired. Anyways, become a tradesmen of some kind. Guaranteed work.

>>719724842
only freelance job I could pick up was doing raster art and setting up a print server for a local laser imprinting company but they don't need my help except very randomly which I usually spend on bills.

>>719725125
Plenty of people do expect and receive such an education for free and their nations are all the better for it.

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>>719725003
wow

liberals really dont understand economic
they dont even understand supply and demand LOL!

>>719724514
Then you get a better job so you can afford these things. You work hard and improve yourself so you can get a better job to afford these things.

You don't have a normal life at the bottom and people will always be at the bottom.

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>>719725233
>LOL YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS*

*my personal understanding of it
>>719725308
>Get a better job
That's a really simplistic argument. You can't just "get a better job" or else everyone would and no one would work shit jobs

>>719724763
if you think thats asking for a lot, youre pathetic. Were a first world country, not fuckin iraq

>>719725027
Not true at all.

>>719725201
Like the collapsing economies of the EU? The union of nations that's facing economic stagnation so bad that one of their principle funding nations is pulling out of it? You mean those nations?

>>719725393
>LOL YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MATH*

*my personal understanding of 2 + 2

>>719725393
>*my personal understanding of it

it's not subjective retard

>>719719661
>gave up

>>719725393
You're right and people will always be at the bottom. You can not provide a good life for everyone in your nation. As much as it hurts to say people will always suffer.

Perfection does not exist and will never exist.

>>719725506
>The EU is collapsing! All these economies are collapsing! Not the US in its capitalist glory though (ignore the last few economics crises)

The capitalist system is collapsing everywhere, some places slowly and some more quickly

>>719725588
I disagree, I think over time things get better. We have it better off than the medievals did, they had it better than the romans, romans had it better than cavemen, etc.

The next step is socialism where there doesn't have to be people suffering at the bottom. I don't know what's after that, if anything, but it's time we stop clinging to capitalism

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>>719724127

>>719725506
Yes because Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, and Denmark are all horrible horrible poor terrible 45thworld countries.

>>719725168
I don't think it's my personality. I usually have a girlfriend. I am actually taking a break after my last two and remained friends with most of my ex girlfriends and my professor had me teach the class while she helped a student before which I have no problem with.
I have no problem getting entry level jobs either. It's just that they don't usually pay much better then my current one and my commute to my current job is very very low so even if there is a slight pay increase. It would just even out because fuel costs.

>>719720008
Not understanding statistics

>>719711978
ok, in Slovenian culture it is custom to bring gifts to people who´s houses you are invited to, you bring mostly food, flowers or maybe something more expensive like a tie, jewelry or something else. This black man is clearly not understanding foreign cultures and should therefore educate himself before she judges this poor immigrant woman. This is racist and xenophobic, and this oppressive black man should be jailed.

>>719725475
entirely true. You seriously think that a company that cant afford to pay their lowest paid employees a raise is in a financially secure position?

>>719713157
lol, socialism makes an utopia? since when? where? show me the country, now!

>>719725972
Hasn't yet, will in the future. Every time we build socialism it gets better than it was in the past.

>>719725972
>Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Sweden, and Denmark

>>719725671
Lets say you actually get a post scarcity economy working (which you never will because there are finite resources spread out unevenly) do you know what will come after it? A new kind of scarcity. What happens when a person doesn't have ability, looks, personality, connections, etc.?

Some people will always be at the bottom, anon. That's just the way of the world. It doesn't stop me from caring about them but you will never be able to provide everything for everybody

>>719726071
That's the way of the world right now, not the way it always has to be.

>>719722629
Oh my lord he destroyed your argument and this is your only response?

>>719720074
it would taste like inflation

>>719725972
a lot of places in china actually look like this already if u havent been>>719720166
>>719713404

>>719713157
you fucking retard he colluded with Hillary and signed off on losing. Fuck that pussy, he prolly saw his suicide letter in her emails Just like comey

>>719720313
why arent you socialist letting homeless people sleep in you private property? Why do you always want to force other people to give up their private ownership but you never do it yourself?

>>719724692

Do you honestly believe minimum wage below equilibrium will actually RAISE to the equilibrium? That if the minimum wage was raised to 15 dollars an hour there would somehow be less jobs that need to be done? Why would a company hire any more employees than they need to? if you need 20 employees at 7.50 you still need 20 employees at 15 dollars.

>>719726071
in actuality, Milton Friedman pointed out that we are slowly coming to a point where we are producing more then we can consume. So this artificial scarcity would continue to be a problem and suggested a guarenteed wage for the oor to compensate

>>719726209
To get to the system you want you'd have to eliminate human greed entirely. That's simply not going to happen either. People will always be greedy and jealous even if people are just jealous of a smile, hair or voice.

People will always desire power, influence, money, knowledge, looks and so on. The thing is that different people want different things and you'll never be able to provide everyone with everything they could ever want because human nature kicks in once again.

People are always craving more

>>719720008
39 is a child? Being gay makes you a deviant? Then what the shit does that make the majority of this trap and cuck loving, Trump supporting site?

Don't get me wrong, I despise Democrats too. But when Republicans say shit like this it makes us look like witch-burning, puritan, inbred retards.

>>719724692
>>719724101
>not understanding how reductionist this sort of macroeconomic 101 is

This is why mba's are idiots, they think this sort of elementary level logic is accurate

When the Democrats get back in the power of the alt right is going to be investigated and many of you could be put into reeducation camps or centers for your behavior Trump is going to be impeached within the first hundred days

>>719726286
he's just repeating what fox news told him.

>>719720462
Marx owned a slave and made her a bastard son whom he never acknowledged, he screamed that the job-givers are slave owners but could never prove it, while being a slave owner

>>719722240
degenerate

>>719726415
Homes are not private property in the way marxists say they want private property to be communal. Private property is something that generates wealth like a factory.

>>719726457
Ah, the human nature argument. Human nature is relative to the environment. People act differently based on where they live and how they live. If things are communally owned and always accessable to everyone, no one has the need to be greedy and hog things to themselves.

>>719726545
lol

>>719726418
The thing is that needing 20 workers at 7.50 an hour doesn't mean you can afford 20 workers at 15 dollars an hour.

>>719725792
>Source: CNN/ORC
k then

>>719726545
Faggot

>>719725792

brought to you by the same pollsters who predicted a hillary landslide

>>719726702
Faggot

>>719726593
And yet people still did horde things in communist and socialist states.

Just because people have no need to be greedy doesn't stop them from being greedy. Do you think the rich have any need to be greedy? Yet they still are.

>>719726779
A true socialist economy hasn't existed, it has been state capitalism aka capitalism where the only employer is the government. The idea was that would be used as a transition to a socialist economy but that never happened for a variety of reasons.

>>719723542
horrible, why did all of those countries let immigrants in?!

go live in a communist country for several before you talk u bunch of fucking idiots

>>719726779
It's simple compulsion--if they weren't allowed to do it then they would not be

>>719726848
You're right, and do you know why it never happened?

I'll let you guess why it never happened. The answer should be obvious.

>>719726653
Maybe then instead of the CEO of your company making 50 million a year, he could take a meager 45 million and allow the employees to stay. Or is that asking too much? Or do you mean the smaller stores and companies? Where the only reason they are in business is because they are paying their employees a wage that cannot be lived on? In which case maybe that company shouldn't be operating in the first place.

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>>719726545
Marx never owned a slave, even if he did, that really has no baring on his economic theories. Hans Raiser murdered his wife. That doesn't make RaiserFS a bad filesystem

>>719726716
That's not what we're talking about in this thread. Maybe read what the thread is about before posting next time, eh?

Hello. I voted for Hillary Clinton

>>719726968
And yet people aren't allowed to murder, steal, do drugs, assault people or destroy property yet they still do.

How do you propose to stop someone from hording something? Using force?

>>719725882
>>719725882
Everyone agrees Melania did a nice thing. Fags on twitter just looking for some bullshit to talk about.

>>719727123
By and large the laws work

>>719713157
i like this because it triggers me on more than one level

>>719727123
Yes? Please don't post a question if you've already answered it. We're trying to have a discussion here.

>>719724127
Msm shows what it wants to.
Everyone has bad pictures taken of them. Everyone has good pictures taken of them.
There were no bad pictures of Obama in msm, there are only bad pictures of Trump in msm.

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I have yet to see a Trump supporter that wasn't a redneck piece of shit. I'm living in Minnesota and a majority of people despise him but the few that do support him know nothing about him and are just hillbilly fucktards.
And the people rioting are dumb too.
What are valid reasons for supporting him? Policy-wise

>>719727274
MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA

>>719727354
Faggot

>>719722397
>>719722397
That is so cute. You realize wealthy ( and I don't mean "rich" don't even work, right? That is why cap gains taxes are so low, because that is how the the 1% rolls.

>>719727273
Faggot

>>719727223
And yet people still do these things quite regularly despite the threat of force. So once again how do you stop people from hording? How do you stop people from being greedy? How do you conquer basic human nature?

The real answer to that is to use people's pettiness and fear to keep them from doing these things. You set up a system where people are encouraged to spy on their neighbours, to report their family and to suck up to the government that's obviously necessary to provide that threat of force.

It's starting to look like your socialist dream is getting more and more like the failed socialist and communist states

>>719726906

there has never been a true communist country, just a bunch of corrupt people in charge of a bunch of stupid people

>>719727456
>The rich don't work

How retarded could you possibly be. They don't do the same work as everyone else but maintaining a company is a lot of fucking work.

>>719727585
>i changed your concept and now its terrible. how could you let this happen

>>719726994
A variety of reasons, not just one.

After all the suffering of the russian civil war the people didn't have the strength to finish the transition and so stayed state capitalist. Mao Zedong died and his successors decided to keep it state capitalist to keep wealth for themselves.

>>719727659
"work"

>>719727273
>>719727273
nah there is some truth to that. I worked in the media back in the day, and we would do shit to Clinton's pics all the time. Always use the one that makes him look guilty blah blah blah.

But if you look around the better news orgs do use a mix of photos, including some pretty presidential ones of Trump.

btw, as someone who clearly throws around the "msm" tag - please do yourself a favor and do your own fact checking ok? I think you are going to find that while the msm is biased ( and corrupt at some level due to the nature of corporate ownership ) - it is pretty rare for them to just make shit up. Our new president lies constantly, says whatever he needs/wants to, and blames criticism on the msm.

That is some serious bullshit. I've never seen a politician in the US lie the way that Trump does. Sure on a few issues ( say global warming or guns or unions or whatever ) - but not just balls to the wall "fuck you I'll say what I want doesn't matter if it is true" lying.

You gotta watch out for people like that.

>>719727714
Yes, and it's obviously work you can't do or you'd be one of them

>>719727678
But how do you get to your concept. How do you eliminate human greed. Nobody has given me an answer to that yet besides "we make them lol"

>>719727691
Hmm and I wonder why the people in power did that. The answer couldn't possibly be because they were greedy was it?

>>719727659
>>719727659
they don't even do that you scrub. the wealthy kids I know vacay in different countries, have massive trust funds, no one gives a fuck. if they want to "work" they have hook ups in london and bankok and hk, nyc and fucking everywhere. Instant admission to top colleges, economic schools etc if they are willing to put in any amount of work.

you are like those broke ass rednecks in the country who don't even realize how poor they are. Shit you probably think you have it "good" if you get a few grand back from the government at tax time.

>>719727899
>>719727899
this is a problem with any of the "utopian" governments. I don't have an answer, no one really does. I mean it is hard for people to even sacrifice for their own families... much less your enemies.

But that doesn't mean there isn't something valuable to be gained from those systems. And if you look at the people behind these discussions , there is almost always common ground. We all want what is good for us and our families. We all love people. We fear losing the things we care about.

>>719728109
No matter how much you tell us to be quiet, or use sexist and racist terms to hurt us, we will still stand up for what we think is right. Yes, we cry - today is a dark fucking day for democracy. But we will turn it to our advantage and build a better country as a result.

>>719727949
So you're just going to ignore all the rich people that do work to maintain their fortunes and focus on their children? Even those trust fund babies do work by your own admission.

How does me being poor mean that the rich don't work at all?

>>719721496
and how are you supposed to save enough money to open a business when most established businesses in this country have all decided to pay less than livable wages?

>>719721620
please point us to all this free, farmable land with wild game to be hunted.

>>719728305
You're right, and there are good ideas to be had from every political system. These utopian systems are an interesting thought experiment but they're impossible to bring into being. What you can do is take their more moderate, achievable goals and incorporate them into your system and when the time is right for them even the more extreme ones.

However, the more extreme measures are emergency measures and should be discarded once they've stabilized the situation. There's no reason why good socialist ideas can't be incorporated into a democracy. The same can be said of facism.

>>719720008
It's not "democrats are mostly [blank]" but "[blank] are mostly democrats". It's sadenning readng such obviously boggus propaganda...

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>>719722925
>>719723524
>>719723824

1. MAKE MORE MONEY GEE THATS EASY. JUST TELL YOUR BOSS TO GIVE YOU MORE AND HE WILL YAY CONSERVATISM

2. Yea boi stop flipping burgers and get a career even though all careers take a college education and getting one of those in the lower classes is basically impossible unless you literally don't make mistakes on anything in school and/or you're a super-athlete. Barring that you are born a plebian and you will die a plebian. Capitalism at works bois, so gr8 and flawless

3. Dumb and lazy? Oh ok, sure. its not like its almost certain that he is just in a situation where advance is impossible since he doesn't have the meaningless slip of paper to advance in his field, and getting that slip costs tens of thousands of dollars, which if you're in lower middle class/poverty, is pretty much impossible.
>when conservatives understand nothing about fucking anything