ask a 27 year old janitor who is alone on sat. night anthing

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>>718999285

anything*

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was there any reason you stayed a janitor? like some significant life choices that led to you being stuck as a janitor or the only work you can find. also what is the nastiest shit you have had to deal with on the job

>>718999285
Is that "fine art" to make yourself appear/feel "cultured" to make yourself appear/feel less like a failure?

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>>718999609

for the most part, finances have kept me where i am. i dropped outta high school for family-related reasons and sorta just fell into a general pattern ever since. im fairly happy, though--when i dont work i just read a lot, so i haven't had much impetus to move (i live in north dakota, btw), especially given costs and the fact that the only other job i could probably find would be janitorial work

honestly, i haven't encountered anything tremendously bizarre or nasty. i work in a complex that houses a couple fairly middle-class firms, so apart from finding used condoms in randomly hidden places (behind copiers, etc), not much to report

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>>718999764

not really. i like art a lot, but i can't really afford to make the pilgrimage to really appreciate it, so i've built my own little cult of images. i know the whole problem with art "in the age of mechanical reproduction," etc., but actually from the vantage point of someone burdened by paucity, it really offers access that i wouldnt otherwise have, thats all

i dunno really what makes one "cultured" or not. i doubt being a janitor contributes to that image. like i said, i like to read a lot, though.

>>719000110
well i hope you do find a better line of work in the future if this one starts to become pretty degrading

>>719000110
Oh, you clean office buildings? I used to do that. Not bad work at all. I mean the pay sucked, but I loved the alone time and lack of a boss on my ass.

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>>719000610

thanks, that's nice of you. it hasn't been so far, but of course if things get too rough, i'll consider other options. again, not quite sure what those would be, but i guess i'll cross that bridge when i arrive at it.

what do you do? do you enjoy your work? would you say you work--or do you labor?

>>719000110
How is living in North Dakota, I've only ever met one other person from there.

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>>719000666

yeah i really love the alone time, too. that's actually why i do it, for the most part. plus, the area is clean enough, and is such a finite space, that my usual tasks only take hours, and i spend the rest of the time reading. not a bad gig.

why did you stop? what do you do now?

>>719000878
im going to college to become a heavy duty mechanic, i really enjoy working on machines and plan to move to another province once im done my school to start my apprenticeship

>>718999285
Are you going to write a sequel to The Nightman Cometh?

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>>719000995
not for those who like cities, warmth, "high culture" (or what i imagine it to be), or human interaction that reaches beneath the superficial. if, however, you enjoy wide open spaces, introspection, an unkempt frontier that is somewhere between a dream and the waking hearth--then yeah, id invite you to check it out. north dakota is not so much a place as it is a state of mind.

>>719000666
Anything you say Dark Lord.

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>>718999285
Is your aprt. clean anon?

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>>719001323
>The Nightman Cometh

i have literally no idea what that is. i've heard of the book "the postman always rings twice," which seems the closest thing i can offer, but haven't read that, either.

>>719001081
Oh, boy, now we're getting into stuff I'm ashamed of. My oxy habit got out of control several years ago, and I needed more money. So I started doing my own selling as well as trafficking stuff for people my dealer knows. That's how I make ends meet today.

Actually I'm in one of my clean periods at the moment. I've kicked and restarted like a half-dozen times. I tend to go 6-12 months on, then a few months off before I start up again.

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>>719001624

i actually own a house (again, north dakota--i've at least saved enough to own shitty property)--yeah, it's pretty clean. i own some nice things and like to keep what i do have in nice order.

is your house/apartment/living space clean?

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>>719001706

i've been addicted before, too, anon. not to oxy but another opioid. it certainly contributed to my current situation; but now that i'm out, i swear to god am never going back to the desert. i honestly wish you all the best, and feel for you--i know it doesn't matter, but if i could leave you with one thing, it would be to kick it and never look back. but fuck me if it were that easy, right? good luck, anon. i love you.

what genre of music do you listen to?

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>>719002432
a whole range. my current playlist includes LCD soundsystem, rolling stones, the animals, TV on the radio, majical coudz; the xx; alabama shakes; glass animals; nina simone; alexander; etc.

what about you? what do you listen to?

>>719002971
i listen mainly to metal but do enjoy some classical music, also some kind of dubstep or electronic music like daft punk and other bands like that

>>718999285
do you ever dream of going somewhere else or doing something else?

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>>719001454
sounds okay in my book. i guess i wouldn't mind drifting through one of these days

>>718999285
Custodial janitorial supervisor reporting in. I live in one of the brokest states in the U.S., so everything is cheap where I live. I can go to junior college and learn how to electrical and plumb and shit but why? i'll only be making a couple dollars more than i am now, so i'm good until something very awesome comes along.

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>>719003929

yes, i do. as odd as it sounds, i imagine what it would be like to teach, especially at the university level or something like that. i think to be paid to read, synthesize ideas, and then write your own is something like the ideal human existence to me. i've actually amassed something of a personal library and am pretty well read in several fields--of course its all pure irony and doesn't matter in the least, but i still dream...

apart from that, i have a design for a multilateral intentional institution aimed at alleviating things like cancer and illness (one of my major intellectual influences have been the christian pansophist utopians of the modrn era--bacon, campanella, andrae, leibniz, etc., and i dream myself as their compatriot and admirer). but i imagine that everyone has their own evangelical schemes, and mine is no different in its desire to change the world, so yeah.

what about you? what's your ambition?

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>>719001893
Imma....stupid....kid.... ya know
I live in a rv for 450 mo
I like to keep it clean

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>>719004573
multilateral international institution*

>>719000666
Wooooooooooaaaaaaaah.

Nice numbers

>>719004953
LOL, didn't even notice that.

>>718999285

I was once a janitor. Night shift.
After a couple weeks it began to ware on me. Seeing shit and vomit every day, having to clean it up began to bring out the worst in me. No respect, people would hardly make eye contact with me.

Chin up, I'm no longer a janitor but I am still home alone on a Saturday night.

>>718999285
I have the book this cover is from lol. its a philosophy book

>>718999285
got twitter or youtube or something to follow? i think you'd make interesting yt vids.

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>>719005388

thanks, i'll take that as a compliment, i suppose. i like to watch youtube, but as far as my own channel or twitter or anything, i'm a total luddite, and wouldn't even know the first thing of setting shit up to be honest. plus there's also the problem that i wouldn't have much to say extemp and generally hate attention like that.

do you use any social media like that? and i'm curious: what made you think that about me?

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>>719004573
that sounds pretty chill. I'm pretty rusty on philosophy but I got a lot out of Foucault and Wittgenstein. honestly if you felt like it you could work your way up through a grad program and make the connections you'd want to do that. work with nonprofits, get connections, that's the game. least out here in california where i'm at.

ambition? i dunno. is it weird to say that I kinda just have my worldview and feel like anything i do with it is just gonna snowball and get as big as I want it to? like i have a novel I'm writing, i'm going to grad school for journalism, everything i do feels like it's already at the level I need it to be.

appreciate the Watteau and Freidrich, by the way. Goya's my favorite.

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>>719002404
Thanks, anon.

>>719001454
FARGO reporting in

>>718999285
Are you happy?

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>>719005865
oh i love both wittgenstein and foucault! not sure if you can see it, but here's my shelf devoted to wittgenstein.

i really appreciate the advice, but the thing is i don't even have a high school degree. the world of making connections, of non-profits and grad school is pretty much a separate universe to me; i might as well be trying to go to mars. but i'm also fine with that, and am happy.

what's your novel about? do you enjoy grad school? do you write articles now?

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>>719006671

i am! that's a nice thing to ask--or at least i read it in a nice tone. are you happy? i hope that you are...

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>>719006986

that's awesome! honestly, i barely read anything anymore. i don't know why. like, I read Moby Dick the year before last and i read it over the entire year.

honestly, when you've been in any inner circle or privileged place long enough you kind of realize it's kind of a self-absorbed little bubble and whatever you did to get in doesn't matter. i had a pretty roundabout way of getting in. i'd rather not disclose because identity but if you want in somewhere just do something that'll get their attention. that's seriously it.

novel's about what growing up during bush jr. was like. trying to like, explain what people where i grew up felt like. it was a complicated place. like, i saw a lot of modern internet culture spring up, i saw people get obsessed over all this stuff and i saw what they were hiding from.

yeah, I'm writing articles. doing photography, radio, videos and multimedia stuff too. it's nice. i feel like writing for journalism means i take all the language barriers academic writing puts in your way and tears them down. i never feel pressured to be an expert.

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>>719008180
you strike me as a pretty interesting person. i imagine drinking with you would be a good time.

where are you from--california? any articles that you'd be willing to share without compromsing your identity somehow? do you write about current events or other stuff?

>>719008822
can't be a reporter without writing about current events! helping with a documentary that's more historical/legacy biopic stuff right now, though but it's 90% current events in my field.

my full name and contact info are all over my work. i'd send you something encrypted to contact me with, but the guy who was helping me with computer security lessons and all that stuff hasn't gotten back to me. if you see someone on /b/ saying they're a journalist good chance it'll be me though. i've been trying to use my time on 4chan to come up with an article for a minute.

i'm in the bay area now. hope it stays that way but it's not cheap here. grew up somewhere else that's a lot more x-files. i could go for a beer, for sure.

>>718999285


how comfy is your job?

want me to help you?

What is the grossest thing you've seen working there, or atleast something very odd out.

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>>719009731

what topics do you enjoy writing about the most? and i take it you're more liberal than not?

>>719009937
define "comfy"
i'm happy, i enjoy it, it's easy, and it pays the bills. to that end, it offers all the necessary amenities i need.

>>719010037
that sounds dubious, and i'm not necessarily in a predicament that would require any aid, but sure. what kinda help do you offer?

>>718999285
where do you work, OP? i am alone and bored too. i will come suck your janitor cock while you mop my ass with trisodiumphosphate

>>718999285
I want art like this in my house when I get one.

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>>718999285
If you could know how and when you die, would you?

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>>719010952

no, not particularly. i thoroughly enjoy this world: you could pile life upon life for me and it would not be enough. i've also suffered in unusual ways, too--e.g. i've had cancer,and i've died and been coded so many times that at this point i live somewhere at the margin of this reality anyway. i've been to the other side, and back, and know what's waiting for me in a way i think few people get to experience. i don't care to share my reflections on the experience beyond that, but its all to say: amor fati. i wouldn't want to know when i'm going to die--i'm been flirting with that possibility for a while...

would you? why?

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>>719010654
i don't really like using the word 'liberal'. means a lot different in my line of work.

i cover politics, education a lot. kinda stressful, sometimes fun. i like writing about counterculture and music more. i like covering protests and anything that'll let me travel is good.

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Why can't kids/teens watch porn? It's not like he/ she didn't know what they were doing, and even if they didn't, you can't rape yourself...

You play video games?

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>>719011832
how old are you, our of curiosity? when do you expect that your novel will be done/ready for publication/published?

>>719012593
yeah i like video games. my main hobby is def reading but i like to intersperse with game breaks: i'm actually playing battlefield 1 (ps4) in between replying to posts right now. apart from that, i like starcraft 2, doom, GTA V, and skyrim. i absolutely hate the turn to cinematic gaming today, the push for touch-screen and mobile games, etc.

do you? what are you favorites?

>>719005730
For a while now I've been fascinated with the overlooked class of officially "non-educated" people who do tons of their own reading and learning and end up being more knowledgeable and capable of independent thought than 90% of college grads. You seemed like one of these types.

Occasionally I'll find someone like that on Youtube making videos, and I always love seeing it. They're generating insightful content for free, while establishment news figures (whether at NPR or the BBC or Fox News) get paid to produce what is mostly groupthink.

Are you happy with the state of your life right now?

>>719013021
27. it'll probably be ready in another couple years. i think i have the skeleton of it now but the writing technique kinda requires me to just check in with writing on it when i need to process my emotions and stuff. so i write a lot, just in small bursts when it comes to me usually. i could've worked on it in a more disciplined way, but it's not something i can bank a career on and this way suits me.

If you could change one thing you did in your life what would it be

Going through school I feel like the education system truly is fucked not letting us learn what we want to do in life, what do you think?

>>719013606
And fuck you if your parents aren't wealthy enough to afford tailored education or have the time to home school, amirite?

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>>719013098

wow, thank you, that's very flattering. i wonder what i said to invite that, but whatever, i'll take it.

why are you interested in that demographic of people? and are there any youtube channels you would recommend in particular? what topics are you most interested in learning about?

>>719013125
yes, i am. thank you for asking. are you?

>>719013224
what kind of multimedia do you make/pursue? sounds like you got a shitton of awesome stuff on your plate right now

>>719013402
heroin.

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>>719011417
I'm a strong believer in "Ignorance is bliss," including it's moral and practical shortcomings. I like to think of life as one big surprise. Most people say they "get high" on life with optimism, I'm the opposite I like suffering per say; not the starving in the streets, dead parents, trapped in a basement stuff but I see the good inside the bad. Being under the storm clouds gives the most profound view of the distant sunshine, and that's how i'll approach death. What in this life could make you hesitant to walk towards the light at the end of the tunnel?

But hey at least we all know that the mitochondria are the powerhouses of the cell.

>>719013973
How do you feel about noble lies?

>>719013876
Well, I'm not so great. Life is kinda shit.
But I was just wondering, because when I was in high school. Literally everyone shit on the janitor and treated him like shit.

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>>718999285
You ever beat off at work? Most epic location?

>>719013876
it's aight. multimedia basically means doing anything interactive and/or web-based. 360 degree video, etc. they wanna train me on VR gear, have me learn to code basic stuff for the internet so i can do interactive media stories. basically all the post-flash stuff that a lot of news sites do with infographics and all that. it's cool but it's not like i worship the technology.

>>719014100
I can't even remember what our HS janitor looked like. Middle school, I do, though. Nice guy, looked like a Boomer from L4D

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>>719013973

what could keep me here? all of it, the whole goddamn thing. the jesuit principle "god in all things" might constitute a nice summation of my theology; even in death, i feel something smiling behind it--not laughing at me, mocking me, but a kinda slanted grin, half knowing and half loving. i was born, i feel, to bare witness, to exist as one of the silent curators of this world--it passes before me in all its incadescent wonder, and there isn't a thing about it--the love, the pain--that i don't love. odi et amo--and everything in between.

>>719014081
this is a tough subject for me and i have too much to say in a 4chan post to be honest. as far as the noble lie is concerned, i'm fundamentally in line with plato, machiavelli and arendt in a macro political sense--e.g. that the lie can have positive, stabilizing social value that naturalizes inequalities effectively, beyond obviously its categorical denounciation in christian apologetics or kantian ethics.

on a personal level, i think all men lie--but that some lies are more truthful than others. i pretty much stand with nietzsche at this juncture: i think its all false, its all a lie, but rather than landing in nihilism, this has bought me a (imagined, at least) freedom: i think the lie is really the gateway to power, and anyone who opens his mouth fundamentally does violence against an intransigent reality anyway, so instrumentalizing it--e.g. making it "noble," turning might into right--is really just a matter of turning power into--what?--something human

so yeah, i'm pretty much all for the noble lie, except for when it ends in something like berlin's notion of positive liberty, and "lies" become "The Lie," e.g. totalitarianism or fascism

that's my quick two cents on the topic. your opinion? where do you stand?

>>719014175
i wanna know this OP?

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>>719014188

dude i want to read/look at your shit so bad, fucking find some kinda link or something

what is your relationship to technology in general? you seem to have strong theoretical opinions on the topic...

>>719014100
why is life shit? what ways are you currently committed to making it better? can i help in any reasonable manner?

>>719014175
yeah of course. place closes down and i'm the only one cleaning, so jerking it is sorta whenever and wherever

>>719015153

i grew up a ways outside of silicon valley and the tech boom is the reason places like oakland and san francisco where i used to have a lot of fun and could imagine myself living in are starting to become empty, unfun and unlivable except to the super-rich. so there's that. but technocrats have always disgusted me. there's something pretty horrible about the kind of arrogance. big data is the newest thing and when you see what kinds of things people pretend it can do it's just shocking. but historically when a big new innovation comes along people tend to go overboard with it and think it can do everything. happened with electricity, the internet, even marijuana prohibition being repealed has a lot of people claiming it can do miraculous things. honestly, that 'silicon valley' show mike judge did is far too nice to the technocrats and they're vile, but technology is pretty neutral like Chomsky says. you can use it for authoritarian or emancipatory means, creative or destructive means.

>>718999285
Hey man, I've been lurking in this thread for quite a while. I just wanted to say that I really admire how you genuinely seem interested in people's lives and interests. Do you have any advise for a shut-in like me to be able to form better bonds with people and converse properly?

>>719016415
journalistfag here sorry to butt in, but i got something you might not hear too often, or at least i didn't hear it until later in my life.

personally, i'm pretty shut in if i give myself the chance. it's just...easier. it's usually not as bad as it used to be since i've had to start networking and doing shit. the training i got where i had to start cold-calling people i never talked to before for interviews helped a lot. got comfortable talking to strangers. that's not the point though.

the advice i'd give is it's fine if you can't take being around people 100% of the time. people fucking ask me for shit a lot and even if it's just to chill and talk about nothing sometimes it's a chore and you're fine saying no to it. you're a lot better at it than you think, especially if you pay attention to your own basic emotional needs and are sorta honest with other people about them. not that you need to explain yourself to people when you gotta take a minute or take the occasional time off. but you know more than you think.

>>719016919
I used to have to do cold calls for sales, fuuuuuuuck that noise. I always heard about these people who are magical on the phone and make a majority of their sales over the phone, but i never met one of those people because they don't exist.

>>718999285
why don't you remove off topic pics from threads that reach image limit??

>>719017117
for sales that sounds like a drag. it's slightly more of a game in my field because you gotta get people to admit to stuff they might not want to say and you gotta both butter them up and confront them. it's fun sometimes

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>>719016415
that's very kind of you, thanks. i'm not really sure what to say exactly: i suppose my interest in others lives/my questions emerge from a sorta selfish point, actually, in that i like to learn from the world, and talking to others saves me a lot of time. its less exploitative than that because i actually enjoy listening and helping as well, but for the most part i see each person as a new opportunity to gain power--not insofar as i instrumentalize people to ends they otherwise wouldn't pursue or aren't advantageous to them, but that i use them to access knowledge and forge attitudes otherwise opaque to me. i've found that this has created an incredible feedback loop in my life, and that life is, for the most part, the cultivation of these spirals, either upwards or downwards: for me, the more i converse, the more i learn; the more i learn, the more deeply i can converse, and i feel the whole trajectory of my intellectual and social being slowly unfold as time goes on, with my happiness--my apprehension and comprehension--inexorably linked to the entirety of the project and moving constantly toward higher peaks. what else is there to say, really?--i'm sure you're already an excellent human being--read more, exercise, love freely, fear not, live forever.

>>719016189

that's provocative--i'd like to probe that more, but honestly i'm pretty tired and ima head to sleep, but it was great talking. peace man.

>>719017370
peace

>>719017370
>>719016919

Hey, well I appreciate it guys. It's not too often you can actually get advice like that on 4chan.