>>718912830 There was a ton of missed opportunity for humor where they tried to force it. The punchlines weren't really good at all. The bad guy/girl was a pretty gay enemy because only one or two of the antiheroes could've dome something one on one. The Joker was easily the worst Joker there is. I'm. Not saying that because he was Ledge or Hamilton but he just wasn't funny. Out of all the places you can try to shove Marvel type humor in a DC movie, why the fuck didn't you start with the Joker? There was a ton of missed opportunity and Joker didn't make jokes and he was too serious anyway. He looked like a pedo and kept groaning like an ent. Movie was still okay but even by DC standards it's garbage.
>>718912830 From the perspective of a person who liked the Suicide Squad comics it fails on nearly every level. It tried to be a blend of traditional superhero film and "deadpool". Falling short of both marks and missing every opportunity the source material provides.
The intro is a hot mess. 15 minutes of musical montage and character introductions. A black woman pitching the same plan to 2 different committees. Some characters are introduced twice for some inexplicable reason. The entire premise of the suicide squad in the movies is flawed. They are billed as some "Anti-superman" team, a job that almost every member is woefully under qualified for, and would each be better replaced by a soldier with a gun (In the comics they are aimed as a disposable and deniable asset for shady agencies / as bait to lure out the joker).
The film completely breaks down during the first helicopter crash sequence (there are 3 in total, if you're writing a movie and you need three different helicopter crashes to keep the plot moving, kill yourself).
I could go on but if you've seen past the half way mark, you know whats coming. Blah blah stupid, incomprehensible villain, blah blah no character arcs, blah blah joker isn't even in this movie.
>>718912830 No he fucking wasn't. The reason your opinion is misguided is because you are looking at it from a the perspective of a person who is open to change. The problem is that the Joker is rooted with a lot of history. Ledger's Joker, while a little different didn't deviate from the history. Leto's said fuck history, I'm going to do my own thing. That's great for him, but that is not the Joker. He played a Joker fanboy.
I can at least tll you why it was ba though an the reason for the shitty humor.
After BvS slop the studio freaked out and started becoming massively Involved in the studios film. Now the original probably woulnt have been great, but it would have been a good, serous/grimmer film. But studios wanted it to be lightened up hence why there is so much neon and bad jokes.
Beyond this they got the director to make an edit and a FUCKING TRAIER COMPANY to make an edit of the film. Not liking either they mashed me togeather to create the film we now see.
>>718913863 > joker not in the movie Mostly agree. Not even sure why he was in the movie apart from the flahbacks and the end. The end was fucking awful, btw. Actually so was the middle. The start wasn't terrible, just not great.
>>718912830 O often find films that everybody gets butt hurt over, to be fine. Batman v Superman and X-men Apocalypse for example. People lost their shit over these movies. I find them to be fine. Mostly because I'm not an overly critical, pedantic faggot.
>>718914226 Yeah it's a sad deal but in the end it doesn't matter all that much because people are so so easily convinced these days they try to justify it. "Joker wasn't bad just different." And it makes me sick when these fags who haven't bothered to read any comics at all try to justify that. It's okay for him to be different but not be an entirely different character.
>>718914228 The jokers entire role in suicide squad. Plot related scenes are not in greentext. >Flashbacks with harley quinn >Scene about security guard at top secret black site >Scene about lab where neck bombs were made (seriously, how did the joker find this place and how does the government not know that he storms it with guns?) Scene where he miraculously appears on an army helicopter and shoots at the suicide squad on the rooftop and rescues Harley (which is his only concrete interaction with the rest of the movie and does nothing for the plot since Harley is back with the SS in 5 mins).
Thats it. Its like they realized they hired Jay Leto to play the joker halfway through filming and decided to just stick some scenes in and sticky tape it together like a 4th grade art project.
>>718912830 Well, truth be told, it's a genuinely "okay" tier film, like 7/10. And honestly, I thought Batman vs Superman was pretty okay too.
I think the biggest problem with Suicide Squad was too many characters and not many that we cared about. Deadshot, Harlequin, and yes, even the Joker were interesting and fun (and though controversial a lot more Joker would have greatly improved the movie). A cooler villain would have improved it.... oh, and a story that makes sense.
Jared Leto said there was enough extra material (of his shoots alone) to make a whole extra movie. And a lot of the cut content seemed really cool.
I think there would have to be a better cut of this movie somewhere. After Batman vs Superman tanked they did extensive "focus group studies" to have different random samples of ppl and see what they thought of the current version of the movie. This made a lot of Leto's Joker get cut, the portions where he was abusive to Harley.
Overall, not bad, like Batman vs Superman. Probably equal to a lower tier Marvel movie like Spiderman or something..... So far, DC movies have had trouble hitting their stride after Nolan's Batmans.
>>718914260 Bullshit, you can't mix different Jokers. It's fucking stupid. I was talking about the history. Just because these new fucking comic books writers want to be edgy and make Captan America a Nazi and Joker a nigger thug doesn't mean that is who the character really is.
>>718912830 there was too much going in the second third, almost all of the Harley Quinn/Joker backstory was immaterial to the plot. >movie was still ok just could have been a tighter production if it hadnt tried so hard
>>718915103 lol didnt know there were rules on how different translations of joker could be. Careful dude, the comics have been mixing different versions of all their characters for like 30 years, better go complain
Flying, x-ray vision, super strength, any of that shit. If you give any thought to any hero comic stories it breaks down almost straight away.
People who read/watch superhero movies accept that they're silly and unrealistic, but they suspend the reality of it for the sake of the characters and story.
Marvel superheroes are 1 dimensional, children's characters and so far from reality that it's ridiculous. It's easy make a 2 hour movie covers that encompasses everything about them, because there isn't really anything to them. Marvel did this on purpose because superheroes are silly. Apart from the Hulk. But that's for another time.
DC, started out the same, but over the last 20 years, have tried to make their characters more relevent to the age we live in. They chose a more adult direction than Marvel.
Now there will always be people who argue which is the better direction. But the fact is, when you watch Batman, you would not accept a 2 hour scratching of the surface movie. Batman Begins managed to pull it off, which is why it's such a good movie.
Suicide Squad tried to do the whole multi-layer thing with, what is essentially Marvel characters. And it didn't work. It failed both at being a grown-up hero movie, and a 1D popcorn flick.
It's not a bad movie. It's better than some of the shit that came out last year. But it didn't give either camp what they wanted, so it's disliked by both.
>>718915406 Shit the Joker alone has probably 10 different versions, from Funny guy who could barely hurt a fly to the Killing Joke. You can hardly compare the golden/silver age/comics authority era characters to the ones we have today. >tfw Baman fucks Catwoman up on a roof cause fuck why not
>>718912830 gayest movie ever stupid references of BET and Nelson Mandela in an alternative superhero universe, cringy acting moments, bad cast selection, joker flashbacks when i wanted more - this whole movie made me cringe to the point of splitting my jaw in half
>>718912830 Look at what marvel makes. Look at what DC makes.
To further it, there was zero reason for Harley to be in the movie (she offers nothing special and is in no way a super hero or combat trained).
To be really dumb. The first big fight scene. Why doesn't deadshot shoot the bad dudes carrying away the squad leader guy? He literally is the "best aim ever" and 5 yards away, yet yells to Harley to take out the bad guys... with a fucking bat.
If I didn't get free tickets to see it in theater, I might have killed everyone there.
>>718912830 I haven't seen it, but the bits I have seen looked like total shit. >hahlee quinn nice t'meetcha I love ya perrrfyume is dat da stench of death? >le super edgy joker >leto's design of the joker looks like a fucking queer, especially the "damaged" on his forehead
I think a lot of the positive buzz around it was because people had a fucking stiffy for Harley and Joker and they just wanted to see them in a movie. Doesn't matter if the movie was shit.
>>718914112 Or Anon just doesn't feel responsible for educating you because in a world where resources are still scarce, and they are, it is to an Anons advantage to let you die of stupidity so that Anon can eat your share of food or fuck your share of women. >Just tired of seeing this strawman. Go read a book.
>>718912830 Action was alright, Wills performance was alright, some of the jokes were alright, Soundtracks were alright. Other than that it was a generic superhero movie trying too hard to be relevant. Joker was fucking cringy and should have never been in the movie in the first place.
>>718912830 no real reason for any of it to happen. why use a gang of criminals when the flash and batman are in the movie? Why is harley quinn or boomarang man needed at all? at least the other people had something to offer, they both contribute nothing to the group. so much shit doesn't make sense, cringy af joker, shitty movie overall
>>718917060 >Subjective opinion. >Command. >Command. Still waiting on that argument for Subjective opinion: >You are shit at arguments and you can't justify your crappy opinion. Care to support your opinion or are you comfortable wallowing in your own fallacious comfort zone?
>turning the joker into an edgy cringe fest >"damaged" are you fucking kidding me > grills and tattoos on the joker >Harley Quinn not retaining Boston accent >turning Harley into a bimbo slut who's entire screen presence is just to be jerk off material for lonely faggots and Halloween costumes for whores > movie is inexplicably dark. Actually dark, like every scene has a black filter over it. > JOKER IN A LAMBO >every character just as edgy as joker, especially the Flaming Spic
meh, not being a fan of the comics, not really knowing fuck all about the this shit, knowing the movie was a fucking mess, there were certain parts I did enjoy, the Joker being one of them.
I liked how fucking scared everyone was of him, it worked for me. I like a lot of the imagery of of him, the gangster thing worked imo.
Again, I don't know the first thing about the comics. I liked the gangster joker thing, it's a different universe, different batman, different joker, watever idgaf. There were definatley elements of letos joker that worked for me and would have liked to see more of it. Also I'd be happy to see a Batfleck movie with Leto's joker in it. Sheiiit, Batfleck was the best part of SQ imo
Old anon here. Watched classic adam west batmans to todays batmans.
I get every director wants to put a personal spin on their pieces, but this was wrong in every way. Harley was a slut moron, deadshot was well, yeah. Most of the other "Squad" members are for the most part useless like crok, and diablo was overpowered and under utilized. Besides that enchantress could of one shot everyone but the whole "can teleport anywhere, never to her heart though" for a weapon that took longer than ever to make.
Just, It is bad for an old man like me. The youths and the ignorant would love it. Its a generation millennial outlet movie.
>>718918944 meh i ignored it like I had to ignore the rest of the movie. It was obvious from the begining that movie was a fucking mess, (two intros of the characters, uneeded flashbacks, inchorehent unreasonable justicication for the squad to begin with), so I just kinda gave up on it and watched it.
Sure bits and parts were cringy, unfoocused. But I don't blame Leto, the guy is a good actor and it's clear after the studio's messing with it that it was such a hot mess at this point it didn't matter. It's a shame. Even had a good director, I imagine he had a vision for it but after the studio hacked it up all that goes into the garbage.
I know this is bait, but listen, kid. I have time to explain this even though I have a busy schedule.
Let's go beat-by-beat, shall we?
Superman died because he was made mortal by the kryptonite. You following this? Then that thing that they called "Dooms Day" plugged a hole in him.
In the original comic, Superman used the last of his personal energy to kill the guy. Ok, kid? In the comics, kryptonite had nothing to do with it. Which is how he was able to grow the mullet and come back to life. He just tapped out his own strength.
But in the movie universe, according to the movie rules, and the established rules of superman, he should have died. Dead. Over.
But he came back. No consequences.
Sorry to destory your arguments so effectively. Nothing personal, kid.
>>718912830 What we expect from the superhero genre? Zack Snyder is what we expect. Although his newest works are not as good, tho I liked BMvSM and the previous. I am tired, grown out of, because I am not a 5yo anymore, of stockings and retarded plotlines. He has brought back or not even back, but he has brought into grimy new look on fantasy in general. Alan Moore's Watchmen for instance, is by far ethalon of all comic-book movies, and overall one of the best movies I have seen. And yes, I must admit, usually when I watch this genre, I do not expect deep storylines and built characters. But why are we happy with mediocricy? I am not, and that is why we should not bash Znyder for what he has done. Make superheroes great again! Also Suicide Squad is shit. Worth only for HQ tits.
>>718915406 Yes, there are rules. Can joker be a cock sucking fag? Hell no. But if someone says, " easy dude, it's just my version of different Jokers mixed together, I think he would be crazy and gay." No, it's not right cause some people are too stupid to be given the authority to change a character.
>>718912830 >What do people expect from the superhero genre? Better. >>718920402 >the edgy side of Tumblr Tumblr has an edgy side?
Leto's joker just isn't believable. The joker's a hip-hop gangsta cuckold who just likes to shoot people? He isn't funny enough, he isn't crazy enough, and he isn't cruel enough. He's just a particulary weird gangsta and I can't suspend my disbelief for him.
>>718913863 >if you're writing a movie and you need three different helicopter crashes to keep the plot moving, kill yourself The subtlety of this shoudl not be lost on future generations of film makers. This is a very important observation of the action film genre. More is definetly not better.
>>718912830 My 24 year old chinese girlfriend loved it. She basically loves anything with explosions and running. Doesn't matter what language it's in; she doesn't care about the story, she seriously only cares about the visuals.
>>718915889 Marvel already ruined Hulk's backstory twice though. The worst thing they did was actually acknowledge that 2003 storyline in the newer movie. Should have done a complete reboot; then they basically show nothing of the hulk's abilities except STRONG, VERY STRONG.... maybe that was wtih some purpose, simplifying a comic book character tends to widen their appeal and make them more believable, but then they have him in Avengers following orders and making sense, which makes absolutely no sense.
>>718922056 I never read the comics, but I watched the old TV series. That hulk usually did was was right, but could only ever act alone. He was always saving unconcious women; I wondered what would happen if any of them had been awake.
>>718912830 The film was poorly written, poorly directed and poorly edited. Plot was also garbage. It's fine if you want to shut off your brain completely and be entertained, but it's not an "okay" film.
>>718912830 The greatest heresy is Batman in the last two films. I'm still giving Affleck a chance but he's coming across as some jerk edgy teen, and i should know cause I am one. I want the Grant Morrison Batman, the most adult adult on the planet, zen monk,pushed himself as far as a human can go, totally got his shit together, fucking terrifying. The best. Batman. Aside from the gnarly fight scene in the warehouse (best ever) in BvS this Batman is like a frail retarded cylon. I want Batman, not an emotionally and mentally stunted acrobat. Is this what people think Batman is supposed to be? I worry.
>>718923787 Znyder's Batman is best batman. Nolan's is second. All other are tootsy faggots in silk slippers, diving in papa's gold and being incarnations of American dream. Batman should be the "dark underbelly" of us, although still trying to bring in the light.
>>718924016 nah that will never happen. marvel is way too cookie cutter and always will be. people want the DC films to be more cookie cutter mediocre. they're used to it. you're used to it too it seems like.
>>718914226 This is honestly the most accurate I work for Wb who made the film and this is exactly what happened it was filmmaking by committee and executives trend chasing to make a very profitable but arguable horrible film
>>718923890 >>718923890 >>718923890 Problem? This guy right here. Read some fucking Batman, or hell watch the cartoon from the 90's which isn't perfect but closer to a proper Batman. He's meant to be dark, not a churlish little bitch. 20 years? Batman Begins and Dark Knight are from like 10 years ago. Dark Knight Rises is mostly shit, apart from Bane. I know he's a depart from cannon but every time I watch it he gets better and better while the film seems shitter.
>>718924143 Yeah I know it, but at least I don't feel sexually violated after watching them. BvS and SS are kinda enjoyable but after watching them I still feel like a Warner suit stuck the tip of their dick in my brain, you can wash and wash but you still feel dirty. In a bad way.
>>718924142 Snyder tries, his Batman looks great and fights great, but thats it. Perhaps Snyder has no human emotions, perhaps he's a secret downs sufferer, perhaps he's just a jumped up art director wildly out of his depth. If thats all you think Batman is you're a fool and you'll die a fool.
>>718912830 the plot and characters all sucked except harley and the joker. i wanted more of that. Anyways; how would people have a harley with heath ledgers joker? that guy couldn't have romance. jared leto was pretty good
>>718912830 The Joker character is bereft of value. Every murder he commits after his repeated apprehensions are on Batman's head. Shame on Batman and his writers for allowing this cancerous piece of shit to persist in the comics.
>>718924781 you're just used to every single thing spelled out for you, hitting you over the head in the marvel movies. plenty of nuance and depth in BVS you're just not used proper storytelling. you need it all in big flashing lights. blame every single marvel movie.
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