>>718822356 >>718822552 Well, first of all, even if he does like golden showers and fucks prostitutes, what do I care? Moral is something that starts at a different place for me, and to be honest, he's already past that place for me. Turns out he's nothing more than a loudmouth, most of his promises are yesterday's news, he even backed down on some saying that now that he's elected he doesn't need to push them anymore. What the fuck. How do people not go mad about this? What I'm also worried about is the Russian influence. He's not the emperor, so even if they have him in their pocket, there's not gonna be a white flag waving over the White House in a week, but still - I guess they have a lot more on him than just a few dirty sex scandals. Something feels wrong about this whole story, not sure what it is, but something stinks.
>>718822356 When the bad things he does as a president outweigh the good he does. Not a "liberal" version of good and bad, factually by the numbers good and bad, decisively and provably so. Basically the same measure I've used for anyone or anything I'm backing or behind.
Now, the real question is what will it take for the opposing side to say they were wrong?
>>718823550 No, that's not what I'm saying, as you could have clearly read if you took the time. I'm saying that I personally don't care about who he fucks, I'm very concerned though about possible Russian influences on him and I think they have more on him than "only" sex scandals. Look at his base. Nobody gave a fuck about him not paying hundreds of contractors he hired for his businesses. Nobody gave a fuck about the "grab'em by the pussy"-shit. Nobody gave a fuck about anything morally questionable he said or did.
>>718822356 Depends on topic and how arguments are presented. If I'm being condescended to, insulted, dismissed or otherwise treated like an idiot, won't admit I'm wrong because fuck them. I'm pretty sure this is the most common reaction to being "told" and why internet arguments never go anywhere or solve anything.
>>718824064 UK fag here and this makes the most sense to me. All we are hearing this side if the pond is all negative about Trump or given that media slant to make it sound bad and how great Obama has been. I want to see how he actually does before judging.
What about the concept that he's installing the WORST possible cabinet of conflict-of-interest swamp-dwellers, that it doesnt matter if he's president for a month or 4 years, there's going to be so much damage to the infrastructure of the USA it's going to take decades to repair?
>>718822356 Probably nothing I don't really care if he does shitty or not, I voted him in based on the premise that the people backing Hillary are not the type of people I want to be in control People who fail to see their blatant hypocrisy, bending and catering to every person who gets offended in the slightest, being told it's wrong for me to be straight white and male In reality at this point the president doesn't really actually do that much, if I was a democrat I would be much more worried that the house and senate are both leaning republican rather than the president But yeah he could literally take a shit in the oval office and nuke north korea in his first 2 weeks in office and I would probably still not care I never liked trump to begin with, you guys are the fucking idiots who hate mongered and accused anyone not on your spectrum of being biggots and racists to the point they elected somebody who will literally ban reporters who accuse him of being such from the room I'm probably on the more democratic side to begin with, as are many of the people Ive talked to who didn't vote for the shill they either voted 3rd party or for trump
>>718825070 >Probably nothing Even if he antagonizes China to the point of nuclear war? Even if he turns on Russia and starts a nuclear war with them? Even if he tanks the economy to the point where you can't get a job and your family starves?
These are all things that will directly affect you and the people you love. None of these would do it for you?
>>718826594 No, it was originally Trump. People said that his short temper and egomania would probably lead us to nuclear war. Like every other insult that was thrown at him, Trump doubled down, turned the insult back around at Hillary, and she just sat there and took it.
>>718826305 That's the most frightening part. Not even in office yet, and he's already made decisions and exhibited behavior that shames himself and degrades the position he'll occupy. (Not that this is anything new for him, or that an egomaniac's capable of feeling shame or caring the slightest about damage he causes.)
Shitty business practices are definitely something that were pretty glossed over- I honestly think it's because trump supporters were so fed up with hearing overblown shit about Trump that when legitimate points finally came around they just shut their ears and ignored it. They just tossed that in the admittedly sizeable pile of "false accusations."
You mention the "grab them by the pussy" shit and that is a perfect example of the anti-trump bias. He said this many years ago when he was a reality star, off-camera on footage not meant to be aired, and all they took was a single snippet out of context.
Before he said that specific line, he said "And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything." Obviously what he did/said was a display of low self control, but it became a major thing of "sexism" and "trump brags about rape," which is extremely hyperbolic.
Letting them do it =/= rape, but the media wouldn't look at it that way. It could have been a great way to start the conversation about our fame/fortune worshipping culture that treats those are rich/famous much differently than other people. I.e. what a regular person would get charged for sexual assault, a famous/rich person would become a consensual act. The girls let Trump get with them because he is trump, rich and famous. Could have been anyone. And that in itself is the problem, not Trump doing/saying that shit.
Not a Trump supporter at all, but the media blowing that kind of shit way out of proportion is definitely a contributing factor as to what drove away the right, and especially mid-right/centrists who could have been swayed otherwise but were instead pushed towards trump through buzzword-throwing accusations.
>>718822356 You silly bastard. We're Americans. We're NEVER wrong. >Iraq War They had WMDs and we did our best. >Iran Contra They had weapons (that we gave them but you can't prove that) and we did our best. >Hiroshima/Nagasaki/WWII They had Hitler and we did our best. >Slavery They were poor black people with no culture and we did our best.
i agree with you, the part about it being hyperbolic is true, but not so far of, touching someones genitals is not a small thing, so it should be at least be taken as a show of what he thinks about the opposit gender. it is true however that it was said in private years ago, so there is the possibility that it doesnt correlate with his views today.
america actually argueing about the important issues with a rational discussion, not gonna happen buddy...
>>718828025 >nuclear option is a big deal to every world leader >except democrats This is the delusion of trumpfags. Other world leaders will jump to millions dead and scorched Earth, if we didn't have our precious Trump God to save us.
Fucking hilarious to say the least. EVERY diplomat exhausts every diplomatic option before resorting to the "oh shit" button. Everyone EXCEPT Trump, who came out the gate swinging with "we need to nuke the hell out of ISIL."
>>718828107 Are you all talk or are you willing to take action? Go and join the military so you can lay those libralz out when the time comes. Surely Papa Trump won't send you off to die in a war designed to line the pockets of his billionaire buddies.
What points to him doing that? I don't like Trump either but is there any evidence that his policies will lead to either of those 3 events?
Clearly a stupid idea, we are just as reliant on China's economy as they are on ours. Their huge economic boom in the past 2 decades is quickly dwindling and they will experienced a housing/construction bubble collapse just like the US did and they will be struggling. They're going to get a lot friendlier when this happens, and the US is going to benefit economically.
>Turns on Russia
It seems really clear that Trump likes Russia, (not sure why, but he does.) Why would he suddenly turn on them? I can at least agree with him that being friendly with them is better than being on bad terms. Russia's economy is down the fuckin tubes and they are suffering, they are acting like a wounded animal that is cornered. They are lashing out to try to regain some footing/influence. Hilary wanted to establish a no-fly zone over syria, that is the kind of shit that leads to war. Russia would ignore the zone, then we'd enforce the zone, shooting down a russian pilot and the ball would start rolling. Don't back the animal further in the corner, coax them out of it. I can get behind that. I just hope he and Putin are buttfucking too hard, but we have to wait and see.
>Tanks the economy and family starves
Nice meme dude. No president is capable of tanking the economy by themselves. If anything, being a business man, the economy is the one thing that everyone is going to focus on the most and will scrutinize trump heavily for failures on this front. And really, that's fine. Economy leads to everything else. More money = more food, more education, more/better health services, better military, more progressive society etc. As long as money is the keystone of the world, (which it is as of now,) money leads to prosperity.
>>718826477 >Even if he antagonizes China to the point of nuclear war? Kek, If China becomes the first world economy, and pressure the world and the IMF to create a new international reserve currency to replace the dollar, you guys are fuuuuuuuuuuuuucked, now a days America can paint a piece of paper in green and pay it's debts, I want to see America be able to feed 325 million mouths without being able to do this anymore.
>>718828635 >Donald Trump asked a foreign policy expert and then told us what that expert said on his twitter feed Hilarious. You'll believe anything that comes out of that retards mouth. >If we have nuclear weapons, why can't we use them? Because of fucking Hiroshima, and the effects they're STILL dealing with as a result of the LAST time we "used nukes".
Anyone advocating FOR using nukes is politically retarded and uneducated in American history. If we could use nuclear weapons willy nilly, the entire planet would be scorched irradiated Earth right now. >this is news to conservatives in the states somehow Every nuclear capable country's leader approaches this the same fucking way. Nuclear option is the last resort across the board. Everywhere except here, where it's our go-to scare tactic for votes.
>>718828863 >they're acting like a wounded animal that is cornered. They're acting like how they want us to think they're acting. Putins not retarded, and refusing to expel our diplomats is the ultimate "fuck you" because all it says to the rest of the world is, "look how unreasonable the US is being! I didn't do anything, and look at how magnanimous and forgiving I am for letting their diplomats stay!"
This is all a PR stunt because Putins not even half as retarded as Trump is.
>>718828863 >China Ignoring the One China Policy has already thoroughly pissed them off. Tariffs on imports from China would wreck their economy. Chinese leadership is a bunch of man-children like Trump, so it won't take much to piss them off.
>Why would he suddenly turn on them [Russia]? It will probably start with a Twitter rant over some stupid bullshit.
>tanking the economy With Congress willing to do whatever Trump tells them to do, this is 100% plausible. His plan for import tariffs and a return to trickle-down economics are going to do far more damage than you realize.
>>718829429 >far more damage than you realize Not him, but I'm an economics major. What exactly don't you understand about lower corporate taxes and high tariffs? Because if you have the mental capacity of a mushroom, you realize that it highly incentivized companies to operate domestically.
How the fuck am I avoiding the question when I answered each of his questions specifically? He was asking "if Trump did extreme shit like these 3 things, would you still support him?"
I was pointing out how absurd those 3 things are. Obviously, if any of them happened, I don't think anyone would support him. I don't think Trump being Trump is even relevant to that hypothetical. Anyone who could cause such events would be hated, even a reincarnated George Washington.
Stop being such a far-left faggot who is butthurt about trump, it was a stupid fucking question. God I hate all faggots who occupy the far sides of the US political spectrum. Stop arguing with emotions and start using facts.
>>718829533 >still thinks Americans trust "Western mainstream news" There you go, trusting your Russia Todays imperialist bias as fact. This blind approval of a dictator, with 0 knowledge of the context of his political tenure, is the most autistic I've ever seen conservatives in this country. >Cold War That's totally a thing. Maybe you should read up on it before you start sucking Putins dick again.
>>718829452 >libtard tears This right here is why you are too immature to be legally allowed to vote. This is politics, not your elementary schools playground. It's not about "ha ha we won cry harder kek", and if it was for you then you weren't voting for the issues. You were voting out of spite. You are the fucking problem.
>>718829896 >>718829896 Oh so very fucking much this. Trump hasn't got a fucking clue how to be president, so he';s trying to absorb as much information as possible, but what's so fucking scary is that he's picking and choosing what HE considers important, wilfully ignoring the decades of experience at his disposal
>>718829701 In the short-term, it's going to wreck the business plan for many corporations that currently manufacture their goods overseas. Those with good leadership will be able to adapt. Those that don't will eventually fail.
>>718830273 >strawman >literally has not studied the cold war whew lad. I thought I was supposed to be the autistic one. Keep plugging your ears and screaming "LA LA LA CANT HEAR YOU LIBTARD KEK". It's working wonders so far. Everyone takes you seriously, trust me. Trump said so on twitter therefore it must be solid undeniable fact.
>>718830076 until they get a better deal in another country from which to trade. In the UK the plebs are always bitching about billion-dollar companies only paying a low rate of tax, without contemplating the possibility that the company in question could quite easily up sticks and fuck off to another, more welcoming country, and all that lovely money will just up and fucking vanish completely.
>>718822356 Trumpkins would never ever admit they were wrong about him.
if he tweeted he was going to nuke China so China preemptively attacks setting off all counter measures and destroy the world economy and 75% of life on earth, any Trumpkins that managed to survive the fallout because they live in places that no one cares enough about to nuke would say "Killery woudda kilt a hunned pacent a real uhmericans, at least trump kilt summa them 2, rawl dayum tyde"
>>718830062 anon do you know the unabomer (ted kaczynski)? guy was an unhinged nutter but ever so often he did say some profound things, one thing that he said that I'm finding more and more true the majority of people join causes not out of genuinely belief in them but as a form of socializing, akin to being a fan of a sports team or being part of a fraternity. I think the person you are talking to is a textbook example of this.
>>718830076 No, it doesn't mean that at all. When companies are forced to manufacture their goods domestically, almost all of that manufacturing will be automated, because that is now cheaper than hiring US workers. You will see very few, if any, new jobs created by these tariffs.
>>718830254 >he's picking and choosing what HE considers important... this is how we know you have not the faintest clue ever made law? ever sat in legis session- state/fed? ever lobby? nope learn some humility- you don't have the experience, context or understanding to eval such things chum
>>718830362 The only thing Obamas saying right now is "are you fucking kidding me, America?!"
He chooses his words well but you can tell he's still in disbelief. Father figure wise, he's disappointed in our life choices but hes just sitting on the couch shaking his head in silence. Which is always worse than actually being yelled at.
>>718830345 So let's make sure we both have the same definition of trickle down. It's lowering taxes on the rich so that they can make more money, which will eventually make its way down to the lower classes, correct?
So firstly, entrepreneurs and large corporations are the lifeblood of our economy. When you stifle them through taxes and other regulations they often just move elsewhere. When there are stifling taxes it is much more profitable for companies to operate in, say, Vietnam, where they can produce for less and export freely to America (the richest consumer base in the world). Can you see Trumps thinking yet?
Also, a history lesson for you: taxing the rich means they either leave or get bled dry. See:Roman Empire. When you tax the upper class to death you have lose your income base and are forced to tax the middle class.
>>718830472 Like I told the other idiot, watch "The Corbett Report" on YouTube for an unbiased look at geopolitics. Republicans have pursued the same policies as "libtards", I'm not for one team or the other.
>>718830757 >crying children Your trumpgod can be triggered if someone insults him on social media. And hes got the self control of a 5 year old. The man would probably nuke someone if their jab on twitter was phrased correctly. Do not brag about how "mature" he is, because it makes you a liar.
How hilarious it was, to watch the man borderline start a foreign relations nightmare by accepting a fucking phone call from the wrong person. A smarter person, who knew that one phone call would be all it took to piss their enemies off. That's not maturity, thats fucking autism.
>>718830759 Great, you understand the theory behind trickle-down economics. At least you're paying attention in school. Next you'll learn about how 50 years of data shows that the actual implementation did not match the theory at all.
>>718825070 Fuck you, you fucking imbecile. Why the fuck should I be punished for a few retarded people that happen to be on the same side as me? Fucking over the entire nation cause you're mad at a few FUCKERS ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU RETARD HOW MANY BRAIN CELLS DO YOU HAVE
>>718830759 Jesus christ, no wonder you're shitposting here. Listen to yourself. Cant believe its surprising to you that no one takes anything you say seriously. If you have to condescend to make an argument, you're losing.
>>718831442 >Have you been to this other country with a completely different political structure and its own completely different political context? >TOTALLY THE SAME AS AMERICA apples to oranges and you know it.
>>718824064 I'm a liberal, didn't vote for Hillary as I was sure until he won the election he was a joke candidate kinda like sometimes the autistic kids get elected for prom queen or class president and shit. So I will admit right now I was wrong. But I'm willing to let him do his thing, it's not fair to judge his presidency on speculation. And honestly I hope he's the best president we've ever had, that his corporate snake buddies he filled his cabinet with are truly seeking the best for the American people. Because it does me no good to doomsday rant now and if all those bad things come to pass no amount of I told you so will make me feel any better or make our country what it used to be before Trump. So here I wait praying Trump is a good person not being puppeted by corporate interests who doesn't have a cabinet owned by gas and oil companies that want to drill all over the us, and that his party truly wants to remove us from our debt owed to China not that they just want to renegotiate more lucrative trade deals than the standard from the 70s. Good luck us!
>>718831617 >a history lesson for you >from me, obviously the master in history >not condescending in the slightest >let me condescend about how im not currently condescending fucking hilarious. watch these (You)s, it'll be a hoot.
>>718831717 Not that anon, but an American President cannot tank the economy by himself. He'd need a congress dominated by his political party, and supreme court justices he appointed himself, and he'd also need a strong foreign ally to tamper with the election to ensure that he'd win.
So no, one man cannot tank the economy. But Trump can.
>>718831998 >He'd need a congress dominated by his political party, Check >supreme court justices he appointed himself, Check >and he'd also need a strong foreign ally to tamper with the election to ensure that he'd win.
>>718822356 I am in favor of Trump because of morbid fascination. Just seeing Trump run for the Republican nomination and actually have a chance at winning it was already more Realsatire than I thought possible in our times.
That said, I'm not murican. If I had gotten to vote, I probably would have voted Libertarian.
>>718831998 >>718831558 Venezuela is totally different. In Venezuela they had a long tradition of democracy, but voted in a loudmouth buffoon with no electoral experience who liked to belittle people and who vowed to have the state intervene in the economy to save jobs, institute high tariffs, adopt an aggressive posture towards other countries in the region, drastically reduce imports from one of their neighbors, sink billions into the oil industry, run a large deficit on the theory that some other country would come along and "pay for it", renegotiate or pull out of its major trade agreement, and build a much larger military.
>>718832324 >Already planning on making taxpayers pay for the wall >probably won't limit refugees because cheap labor is cheap >Tax plans already reveal that the top wealth bracket will benefit immensely while the middle class will take brunt of the damage >Still hasn't revealed a single iota of information on how he's going to handle ISIS
As for the amendments, the senate has already done a fabulous job of screwing with them already.
>>718832230 The simple fact is that trickle-down economics doesn't work. You can't just slap tariffs on top and think that that will somehow make it work. 50 years of data shows that cutting taxes on the wealthy makes no difference in the economy whatsoever, other than increasing the national debt. The theory is that allowing the rich to keep more money will allow them to build more factories and create more jobs, but experience shows that that doesn't happen.
Try looking at it from a simple supply and demand perspective. Tariffs will drive the cost of producing goods up. This will drives prices up, which will drive demand down. When demand falls, so will supply, and the jobs will go with it.
>>718832888 The whole "tampering with amendments" thing is getting sensational, to say the least. The ACLU has already released multiple statements to the tune of, "if he tries to fuck with the constitution, we're on it 100%".
I remember arguing with liberals 8 years ago that wikileaks was not their friend and needed to be stomped out, guess that really bit them in the ass didn't it? I do wonder if Trump will make the same mistake.
>>718831657 yeah right fucker, you're pulling shit right out of your fuckin ass. YOUR side is the pissy ass bitch side, electing a fuckin autist b/c "they said I was privileged". really cant even believe you fucks have the audacity to say you like "libtard tears" after the fucking hissy fit you dumb fucks pulled
>>718832922 Ah okay, I think we can find common ground here. >tariffs will drive the cost of manufacturing up But it won't! That's the entire purpose of Trump's plan, to make it cheaper to operate in America.
Tariffs will make it more expensive to produce for corporations who choose to operate outside of and choose to export to America. Normally this would be suicide, but at the same time if you lower corporate taxes in America it suddenly incentivizes all these corporations to move to America to get rid of that 35% penalty.
I realize that this is an ideal world, and it may not work exactly as I think (though we've already seen companies switch investments to America), but it's a good plan in theory.
>>718833394 ....those are the claims the ACLU was releasing statements to counter, anon. Did you not even bother to read what I said or are you literally so defensive that you've gone full sperg? Trumps also started implying, himself, that he's abandoned those plans BECAUSE people are informing him that its unconstitutional to even try.
>>718833513 >Tariffs will make it more expensive to produce for corporations who choose to operate outside of and choose to export to America. unless they can make up for by exporting to other countries with larger markets, like china.
>>718825070 Trump himself is that kind of person. He is always offended by something AND throws hissyfits on social media about it. He's just like the SJWs bitching about their 1st world problems, but he's rich, still bitching, and sues people over it while using his money to leverage them into settlements. I'm not saying I like the people that supported Hillary, or that I like Hillary as a candidate, but your reasoning is fucking lacking.
>>718833513 >make it cheaper to operate in America You're correct that it will be cheaper to produce goods in America than to pay a 35% import tariff. But what you're missing is that both are far more expensive than the current cost (goods produced overseas, no import tariff). If tariffs are created, costs will rise relative to current costs. That can't be avoided.
>>718833167 Lol I would've but it didn't seem worth the time, but since you asked I may as well.
>Already planning on making taxpayers pay for the wall He's stated multiple times that Mexico will pay for it through remittance fees from illegal.
>probably won't limit refugees because cheap labor is cheap Not an argument.
>Tax plans already reveal that the top wealth bracket will benefit immensely while the middle class will take brunt of the damage Tax plans reveal that CORPORATIONS will benefit the most, and taxes will be lowered for everyone so nobody will "take the brunt of the damage".
>Still hasn't revealed a single iota of information on how he's going to handle ISIS One: he's not in office yet Two: why would he release military intel to the public?
>>718833795 We're not ignoring it. We're laughing at it, and so are the agencies we pay to protect those rights for a living. >tfw changing amendments is unconstitutional and therefore constitutes treason >one of the only grounds for impeachment Why would he shoot himself in the foot like that? Surely he's not THAT fucking stupid. (can't even count how many times ive said that throughout this entire ordeal and been proven wrong though).
>>718833513 You seem like a reasonable enough anon, but you're wrong about this. Putting tariffs on foreign goods does not make domestic manufacturing any cheaper. It makes cheaper domestic PRODUCTS less available to consumers.
So while right now you can chose between a $1 American product or a $0.50 Mexican product, with a $1 tariff you get to chose between a $1 American product or a $1.50 Mexican product.
It gets worse, too. Once American manufacturers realize that their Mexican competition is screwed, they raise prices, rather than lower them. If the tariff makes it impossible to sell the Mexican product for less than $1.50, American manufacturers have every incentive to raise their prices to $1.49. After all, they are still competitive at that price, right?
Voting to increase tariffs is voting to make all the shit you buy more expensive. Period.
>>718833640 America is the richest consumer base in the world, I don't think anyone is too eager to lose it.
>>718833870 Oh I see what you're saying, no you're absolutely correct. I'm wagering that the cost will rise as well. The theory behind it though is that consumer purchasing power will increase because of the stimulation to the economy all of this will provide. Effectively balancing the rising costs out.
>>718833929 >fake >says me, anon anonson from trustmetown USA thats not how that works, kid. see, when you make a claim you have to back it up with sources. when you don't, you're just stating an opinion of yours that literally doesn't matter. >and is not fact I know you'd like to think that but your arrogance is staggering. Just because a thought flies out of your fucking mouth does not make it fact. Remember that.
>>718834262 He was saying it before he won. He said a lot of things to get votes. But even WHILE he was saying those things, he was being told constantly how unconstitutional those things would be. >those same things he reneged on 2 days after they announced his victory Hes backed down on almost every campaign promise he made to us. He'll back down on one that compromises his job too.
>>718822356 If he was shown to be a spy & traitor ....legit fucking up the USA like Obama has done with that stupid ass social engineering illuminati bullshit....
doesn't stop illegal migrations, doesn't build the economy, doesn't stop ill advised military aggression, stops support of israel......if he was a blatant fuck up.....none of the personality quirks bother be....why is the world so stupid? Bush sucked because he wasn't black? or he couldn't read a teleprompter? yet his policies were so much more stabilizing than obamas....so now we have trump...and the SJW's despise him because he's old school masculine and full of himself??
>>718834040 >unconstitutional and therefore constitutes treason can you guys please stop using the word treason incorrectly ? it has a specific meaning and nothing to do with what you are talking about.
>>718834214 >consumer purchasing power will increase I don't see how that is possible. When the cost of production rises, the cost of goods will rise. A dollar won't go as far as it used to. By definition, consumer purchasing power will have fallen.
If we can find a way to impeach our President for getting a fucking blowjob (inb4 kek impeached for lying about it; welcome to the way we found), we can find a way to impeach him for literally taking away our constitutional rights.
>>718828165 No Trump was shit talking with a bunch. Its bravado, and egged on by the otger guys in the buss. How in the flying fuck can you make it past high school and not have heard guys exagerate their sexual prowess?
>>718822356 Simple answer, be worse than the alternative. So, in order to be worse than Hillary would have been he would have to: 1. lie repeatedly for 3 decades to the government and the people 2. commit treason 3. sell government influence to Islamic foreign dictators that support ISIS 4. destroy an established country with war in order to assassinate a leader who was complying with all demands 5. break two international peace agreements 6. start a proxy war with Russia in order to get an oil pipeline through Qatar, the single worst country today, because they payed him millions and financed his next campaign 7. start WW3 8. sell out his country and pursue only policies which hurt us in favor of other countries 9. pass legislation which specifically decimates the black community through quotas on minorities receiving predatory loans, mass incarceration over minor offenses, and structure welfare such that it discourages marriage and economic improvement 10. tax the fuck out of small businesses, effectively eliminate the ability to pass an inheritance to my kids and try to repeal the 2nd amendment 11. appoint lefty nutjob supreme court justices 12. fuckup an illegal CIA opperation running guns through Benghazi to Isis, get at least 4 Americans killed, then not give a shit 13. be involved in pay for play, illegal trade, and embezzlement scandals constantly for 3 decades 14. be so corrupt he is actually kicked off of the Nixon prosecution team specifically for his misconduct 15. denigrate half of the voters 16. demonize half of the human race 17. tell women its their duty to vote for him 18. become a feminist
If he does all 18 of those, then he will be as bad as Hillary, and I would join any effort to take him out of office. In short, not going to happen. There is no case which is even slightly likely in which Trump will be anywhere near as bad as the disaster we averted. The same goes for Obama, but its a moot point now but theres a whole other rats nest of scandals
>>718829322 Why? We already elected a well-spoken idiot, how'd that work out for you? Frankly I find Trump annoying to listen to. I dont like how he talks, and, frankly, I dont give two shits. He's already done more for the country than Obama and hes not even in office yet.
>>718835646 yeah it all comes down to belief set i guess.
i'm a liberal but i don't give a shit about: >muslims >gays >women >minorities
i don't want to hurt them or anything, or keep them out, but i just don't care one way or the other about it.
my problem with the right is that they want to stop everyone and the religious nonsense. i can't stand that shit. mainly because the christian flavor of it needs to stop everyone else from doing "terrible" shit too. if they just kept themselves and maybe their family in line, i wouldn't care. forcing it on me i can't take.
trump isn't religious at all.
plus i want abortions easy and free. i don't care abot the unborn children either. maybe even up to 1 year after-birth should be acceptable.
none of them are going to hand about abortion coupons but i bet Trump's had women get at least 3.
>>718822356 look at this fucking shit. >theguy tag red, i used to go to school with saw him at a mutual friend's wedding in the summer and >he's now a gay raw vegan lifestyle and diet guru >the one tagged pink is a female friend of his i don't know and the same person to like his response >i'm the blue >tell me what you think /b am raging the fuck out >this is the trump era
>>718836149 Problem with abortions and conservatives is, they want to have their cake and eat it too. "I care about life but only up until its actually born. Then it needs to stop living off my fucking tax dollars and get a job."
>corruption in cabinet >russia invading more countries while the US does nothing >war with china, even by proxy again >MORE shitty wars in the middle east >living wage decrease across the US >major non-terrorist attack on US >kowtowing to whatever the mainstream republicans want
>>718836758 In theory, they should. But their rhetoric makes 0 sense even to themselves. If they actually cared about life, they'd care about the life of the mother as well. Some of these procedures are due to health risks, not as some extreme form of birth control. Forcing a mother to carry a dangerous pregnancy to term risks HER life to save the *still theoretical* life inside of her.
Who gives anyone the right to say which life matters more? *still theoretical* God apparently.
>>718836162 Its actually a fact that she was runnign guns via the CIA through Benghazi to Syrian rebels, which is where ISIS came from. You're talking about the hearings in which they successfully showed that she lied to the american people, where we found out that she deleted all of the emails from that time period, and were they decided that they didnt have enough evidence to press charges against her for negligence in the 4 deaths. She did, however, actually, indisputably, run guns through Benghazi to what is now ISIS. That was the whole reason we were there after every other western country left. She testified to congress that she didnt know about it, but Comey turned up, and released, emails from HER regarding this specifically and even stated, under oath, that her comments were a complete lie. That she did know it and in fact was in charge of it.
>>718836855 If the US were nuked, and would not have been had Hillary been president, then yes, that would be worse. Like I said, if he is simply better than her it was the right choice. He already has been better than she ever was, and certainly better than Obama has been, and he hasnt even started.
>>718837063 If I'm making any argument, it's that "better" is a subjective term. One that you clearly have trouble grasping. To me, Hillary is a much "better" alternative because literally every job in this country requires previous experience in order to obtain. Every job except the most important one that we just handed over to a fucking autist.
>>718836974 blah blah blah "some small percent are medically neccessary, therefore you must allow abortions up until the baby is 100% out of the vag or you hate mothers" fuckoff. If its medically neccessary its medically neccessary. Nobody is saying you cant have an abortion if it saves your fucking life. Thats not even the debate, and it doesnt justify a 30 week abortion cause your a woman and you changed your fucking mind.
>>718828508 I'm a straight white male academic (on track to teach or research) and have encountered some pretty radical feminists who have told me that I am inherently oppressive (i.e. I've done something wrong) for being who I am
>>718837455 most "babies" are killed by your god than any other method fag. most the little tykes are murdered before the woman even knows she's pregnant.
those are the saddest right? no one even know those little proto-tykes even existed in the first place. they must haunt the lower levels of hell going around un-batized. most of them don't even have foreheads.
their sullen lifeless little bodies must form a solid couple inches of splurge on the floors of hell.
>>718836974 The new bill in Indiana makes it murder to kill the undeveloped cells literally when insemination happens. I find it funny how quickly righttards will label something murder when it comes to some cells, but every time a black person is shot by a cop "it was justified, they were a criminal they shouldve not been driving while black"
>>718837631 >I outlined specific criteria for it Not the same anon, but this is fucking stupid. All of your "criteria" is based on bullshit that you think Hillary MIGHT have done. And most of that is based on Russian propaganda that was released during the campaigns.
>>718837674 No, Russia's goal was to do what is best for Russia, just like our goal is to do what is best for us, and every other country wants to do what is good for them. At least, thats our goal now that Obama is on the way out. EVERYONE hacks EVERYONE. Hell, just a couple years ago we got exposed for having bugged the offices of every major head of state. What has come out is that yes, Russia has been hacking us, just like we hack them and they hack the UK etc etc. But no, the WIKIpedia emails did not come from Russia, they were fished from him by an American. And Russia did not hack our voting machines, or literally anything else that mattered in the election. Hell, the left is now down to saying that RT's existence as a news outlet was how they influence the election, as if the entire US news media wasnt the democrat propaganda team.
i'm a straight white male who went to college now makes a good 6 figures looking well dressed when i go out and i live in NYC the most liberal city in the US for that shit, probably (san fran beats it for gay shit)
i exclusively date feminists or at least strong women who may not identify with any label. i like 'em cuz it's more fun to top a feminist.
>>718837674 Not "faith in democracy", "faith in our government". We haven't been democratic for a long time and Russia knows how pissed we are about that. They want us at each others throats and they're succeeding admirably. A divided enemy is easier to conquer than a united front.
>>718836993 He said in his news conference that he never heard of the allegations of the 2 page report from intelligence, that it was completely false. Yet, the FBI director said that he took him aside and briefed him on that report. That, my fag, is lying to the American people. And he hasn't even been sworn in
>>718837631 >relevant experience Do you remember the Madoff scandal? Trump was his only financial rival, in WALL STREET. So no, he doesn't have ANY "relevant" experience because he's never ACTUALLY worked in politics. She has, for at least 3 decades now. That is the definition of "relevant experience" you fucking degenerate.
>>718837899 Nope, Trump has done none of the 18 things listed. He is not a traitor to the country. and, btw, he said hed release his taxes when the audit was over or his lawyers said he could, NOT when the IRS said he could. OF COURSE the IRS said he could, that benifits their audit you retard.
And he did actually give away all $5.6 million to vet charities, he just didnt give it all to the FIRST one. He split it among a few. stop watching CNN https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/30/tomorrow-trump-will-give-more-details-about-his-donations-to-vets-heres-what-we-still-dont-know/?utm_term=.7099183d39cd
>>718838105 That stem cell shit is fucked up as well. There are other sources for stem cells that don't require the death of a fetus to obtain. The afterbirth, the umbilical cord, spinal fluid from the child after its born, so many ways to advance that research that doesn't require "murdering babies" yet somehow we're supposed to halt scientific progress just because of these fucking fairy tales from thousands of years ago.
>>718838133 yes. I am telling you to not murder your fully formed living children. They are not your body, and if you did, without some medical necessity, you are a piece of shit and a murderer. yes. we terminate lives all the time when its medically necessary, we dont do it because we fucked up our lives and changed our mind.
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