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38 days off heroin Sup b how you is

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38 days off heroin

Sup b how you is
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Also apart of AA just throwing that out th3re
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well hello. about a year and a half off heroin now. AA and 12 steps didnt work for me but to each his own.
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>>718623137
What did?

And did u get a sponsor and actually work thr steps and develop a fellowship?
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smoked crack, shot coke and heroin, ordered whatever pills from eastern europe in my 20s

now in my 30s i just have an alcohol problem

any ideas on how to get rid of it? its not ruining my life but the hangovers are fucking annoying.
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>>718623137
>AA and 12 steps didnt work for me but to each his own.

Understood. I kicked 10 years ago on my own. It also helps that I left my junkie wife and moved to Florida.
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Good work anons. Never been an addict but i can imagine how hard it would be. Keep it up
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>>718623296

Honestly go to an AA meeting and just ask for help they'll tell you what to do
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>>718623203
Well not tryna preach to ya, just sharing my experience but to be honest Jesus did. Went to bunch of rehabs and it never worked, really didnt wanna get clean, never really worked the steps. Went to jesus rehab and it actually gave me the will to want to stop. I really havnt even struggled with wanting to use ever since.
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>>718623553

You're not the first to get clean through the church. That's great if it works for you - i was raised a staunch Catholic so I can understand.

AAs biggest principle is that it's a spiritual program so yeah that's great man. Just make sure you're living a good life too and not just staying clean
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>how you is

Niggers.
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>>718623801
OP here

That's the joke
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>>718623752
Thanks man. Yeah thats actually been the hardest part is getting back in to normal life. Drugs became my way of life and i was living on the streets for some time too. Its just great to have freedom again.
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>>718623431
Ive already tried that. its not a magical mystery solution. they offer nothing.
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>>718623553

Congratulations man. I'm glad you were able to get clean.
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>>718623422

Kicking was the most physical pain I've ever felt. Lot of sleepless and warm baths. I finally got to the point where I was awake 3 plus days. I finally gave in and called my local VA Clinic (yes, I'm a vet) told them what was going on and the got me an emergency appointment the next day. I told the Dr about all my psych and insomnia meds, got scripts filled, and I've been mostly okay since.
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Makes me happy reading this. Proud of you fellas
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>>718623978
Then why do millions upon millions of people swear by it and regularly stay clEan and sober and live lives beyond their imaginations ?

It works if you work it it doesn't if you don't
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>>718622839
3 months clean miss it so bad. Sometimes i steal my grandmas hydros but it is far from the real deal.
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>>718624057
Goooooooooooooooooooooooy
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>>718624057
Post pics!
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>>718622839
Just started my heroin addiction. Feels good man.
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>>718624108
That shit sounds intense man.
Had you hit rock bottom or just decided enough is enough?
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>>718624108
Why punish through withdrawals for half the time only to throw it all away and relapse on some other dependency drug?? You know the VA is really just Jews shoving all the pill they possibly can onto vets, right?
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>>718622839
Lol, No heroin addict would use that syringe.
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>>718624275
for a season it does. Untill it consumes everything that you are and everything that means anything to you.
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>>718624150
been to rehab like 3 times. only about 5 percent of people who enter AA stay sober through AA.

its a joke. most addicts/alcoholics who are introduced to it thing "oh fuck, is this all there is?"
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>>718624150

My problem with AA is that it's cult-like. Plus, I don't believe in a higher power. I'm glad that it works for some/many? but it's not a fit for me.
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>>718622839
You can shoot up between your toes. We won't rat you out.
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>>718624275

Lemme know when you wake up shaking shutting your pants and vomiting and unable to find a vein causw you're so shot out and then all your family cuts you off and you lose your job and become hom3less and fucking die from an ODD

SHIT did I spoil the surprise

Oh the ultimate irony is that you stop getting high and can't stop using no matter what your ass wants
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>>718622839
Are you hyped for Trainspotting 2?
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>>718624275
>>718624459
>>718624497
>>718624528
pic

>>718624524
AA/NA are really just reverse psychology traps where junkies spend an hour reminding each other about drugs and booze. Rehab of all sorts are such a profitable joke.
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>>718622839
Congratulations man. That shit is hard to come off of. Did you quit at home, detox at a clinic, how'd you do it?
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>>718624524
I think you hAve the wring idea of what they mean by higher power

It's whatever you can believe and trust in. Even if it's just Good Orderly Direction
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>>718624699
rehabs arent a joke faggot. i was shooting iv heroin when i went to a rehab. it was hard as fuck not to walk off the property and go back to shooting up.

but i stayed and lost the habit after a few months. other people die in the streets. youre a retard to whip out that jew pic like rehab is some type of scam.
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>>718624747
Detox + rehab + daily meetings and helping other people to get out of my head
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>>718622839
if i wanted to do heroin, how would i do that? i.e, getting it, preparing it, shooting it, other indications, precautions, etc.
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>>718624750
Sounds fucking masonic and not to be trusted.
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>>718624918
You don't and I'm sure as fuck not gonna help you ruin your life lol
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Im glad you quit, more heroine for me faggot.
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>>718623978
Not every group is equal. Some take "spiritual" to be capital God, others more direct "a higher spiritual power." Some NA places are full of enablers, some AA places will shun you for being hooked on something other than alcohol. Shop around. Each meeting is different. If you don't have anything local that suits your needs, find something else. Keep looking. It's the follow ups that keep you clean. Quitting is easy, it's staying quit that sucks.
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>>718624436
>Why punish through withdrawals for half the time only to throw it all away and relapse on some other dependency drug??

I never relapsed. I actually smoked/shot some roxies a couple of times with a stripper/fwb of mine. I enjoyed it fine but never craved it like before. Nothing since then.

Probably drink more than I should, but I manage.


>You know the VA is really just Jews shoving all the pill they possibly can onto vets, right?

I went in and told them exactly the meds I wanted and why. I talked it over with my Dr and he agreed with my assessment. I've tuned my dosages a few times but I always go back to the same med cocktail mix.
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>>718624150
its full of lies and programming where they turn you into parrots. its completely religious. all 12 steps are taken from the bible. it only helps a small number of people who try it. they convince you that you have a disease that you can NEVER get rid of, and that the only chance you have is to give all your power over to God. When people don't believe in God, they are convinced that they cannot beat the addiction so they may as well go get some more drugs because they are fucked for the rest of their life.
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I need advice. A real good friend of mine is addicted to meth but keeps telling me his off it and all this shit and just keeps bullshitting to me. I know for a fact his still on it. How can i help him?
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>>718625133
I can tell by your Virgin arms youre relatively new to this.

Good luck read this >>718624581
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>>718624699
I honestly kinda agree. But it works for some people. For me, meetings just reminded me of the drug and acted as a trigger for me. I found it much easier to put it all behind me, not think about it, and fill my mind with good things. Not dwelling on my past. And now ive been heroin and crack free for almost 2 years
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>>718625208
if he his unwilling or unable to stop himself, he needs to check himself into rehab. if he is unwilling to do this, an intervention might help. if this isnt possible or doesnt work all you can do is send the police over to his house while he has a decent quantity of meth, get him arrested, where he will sober up in jail.
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>>718624910
Didn't use Suboxone, Vivitrol, or Methadone? I'm curious because I'm actually working with a unit that focuses on a safe detox and finding placement for either outpatient or residential services based on availability. It'd be helpful to hear success stories.
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>>718624699
>Rehab of all sorts are such a profitable joke.

I don't know about any other rehabs other than AA. And AA definitely overstates their success rates.
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>>718625133
Is that air in the syringe
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>>718625197

AbsolutEly wrong lol

It teaches you how to be a good fucking person. Read the steps and tell me which part you disagree with
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>>718624998
Eh, let me just reframe it as research for a school project
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>>718625485
Theres nothing wrong with the steps, but it's the people and the group for me. Sharing war stories doesnt help me stay clean.
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>>718625423
Thanks anon. Dont wanna rat him out so ill try talking him into a rehab
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>>718625142
I STILL dont honestly understand what that shit has to offer, besides meeting people to fuck.

Been to lots of NA and AA meetings. "Hi im an addict"

>30 minutes of bullshit stories follows

"Ok see you next time"
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>>718625442
There's a ton of others. AA really is successful, if the steps are lived. I say lived because "working" the steps usually leads to lapse or full on relapse.
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>>718625425
>working with a unit that focuses on a safe detox and finding placement for either outpatient or residential services based on availability.

I know someone who went into a Suboxone "detox" outpatient program, where they prescribed her more and more suboxone until she was at the maximum dosage (they say it ceilings out at 16mg per day) and they wanted her to stay at that dosage for years. She was doing this for 3 years, but she was convinced they were just trying to get her to buy their drugs instead of actually detoxing, tapering down, or weening off. She stockpiled all the extra subs while weening herself off of it and after 3 years she quit with quite a huge stockpile leftover.

It works if you taper down properly, but you still need discipline to not relapse afterwords
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>>718625142
>Quitting is easy

Not with heroin. At least for me. As far as relapsing, I moved to another state. No druggie friends no drug dealers. Couldn't get high if I wanted. Problem solved.
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>>718625425
5 day subtex / suboxone taper with either benzos or phenol barbitol for the hard was

Gabapentin robaxin and nausea meds oh and immodium as needed.

After 7 days they should be good and from there you can use naltrexone (after 8 days off last sub dose) or visit role

Never ever use methadone
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>>718622839
the spoon looks dirty af, probably like inside of your body
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>>718625818
It's about looking for the one or two people actually there to get shit accomplished and find out if they're able to be a sponsor. Having someone who gives a shit about you isn't easy to come by if all your friends use and accountability is, for many, a necessity.
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Only losers quit. Fucking learn to fucking not make it a problem.
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>>718626072
Ok mane. I hear you.
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Wow look, a bunch of losers wanting appreciation for being a regular human being. You know what's really impressive? Not getting addicted to shitty drugs in the first place.
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>>718625208
>How can i help him?

If he doesn't want help or he doesn't want to stop, there is nothing in the world you can do.
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>>718626024
It's from googl3 not that the one I used was any better.

Thankfully my blood tests came back basically peffect and clean
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>>718625954
I hate suboxone. It's prescribing an abusable substance, that if relapse prevention and tapering does not take place and has to be quit cold turkey, is worse to come off of than heroin. Shit gets into your bones and hurts everything, along with the nausea and bowel issues.
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>>718626212
Look at this simple ignorant attitude on addiction it's cute
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>>718626137
/thread
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>>718625451

Looks like a bit of air. Might hurt a bit (or a lot) but it's not going to kill you, at least not that little bit. It's basically like getting the bends.
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>>718626724
Wrong

It'd take 2 or 3 full syringes to kill you

No pain or anything from that little bit
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>>718625485
admitting you are powerless over your addiction (I admitted I have the power to beat my addiction, and for 5 years I havent touched a drug)
realizing only a higher power can save you
(i realized that only willpower and discipline can save me)
turn our will and lives over to God (yes its with a capital G even though its "totally not religious")

just to start with
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>>718624108
Fuck man, I know what you mean. I went through detox in jail. Jesus Christ it was brutal. I had gotten fucked up so badly by assaults that my entire face was bruised and puffy, I could barely see. They didn't give me anything for the pain, vomiting, or diarrhea, those fucks
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I dont know why you guys went straight for heroin. So many better drugs out there.

Snort some coke and take over the world
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>>718625133
Kek
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>>718626999
or pop .15 - .2 g of some pure malls and you'll know what fun hard drugs should feel like
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>>718626999
>>718627237

Yall are both stupid and crazy if you think anything feels better than heroin lol

Its the consequences of heroin use that make it fucking suck
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>>718626999
Coke is shit compared to heron

Most dope fiends I know, max their tolerance to H and then start adding crack.
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And yes, I have shot dope, coke, crack, molly, flakka, yes flakka...that wasnt fun.
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>>718626814
>It'd take 2 or 3 full syringes to kill you

That sounds reasonable.


>No pain or anything from that little bit

I don't know. I was always careful with my prep. I wouldn't know how much would cause pain but I know that Hollywood has sold the belief that 5 or 10ml of air would be fatal which we both agree is bullshit.
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>>718627419
mdma feels pretty smacky...never done it myself but my buddy thought I doped him when we doesed and he has shot up
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What is it like doing heroin?
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>>718627712
5ml of air is a LOT.

typical dope syringe is the diabetic 1ml 100units
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>>718627454
>Most dope fiends I know, max their tolerance to H and then start adding crack.

Been there, done that. Unfortunately, H suppresses the desire for alcohol, but that's probably a good thing.
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>>718627237
I like to go on a week bender every once and a while. I start it off with about 10 hits of acid and a 1/4 oz of mushrooms and a couple grams of mescaline. I then drink some datura tea. I then alternate between bong hits of salvia and smokine DMT for the next 2 hours while im waiting for the first drugs to kick in, At this point, I am so far detached from reality that the next 20 hours I have complete ego loss. then If I don't wake up in jail I finish the next 6 days off alternating between days of coke and meth and molly and then days of heroin and xanax. You have to be careful mixing these two so you have to take the xanax after you are coming down off the h if you dont want to die.
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>>718623957
did you go to reformer's unanimous?
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>>718628007

Oops! I got my units of measurements wrong. It's been 10 years so my memory is not what it could be.
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>>718627454
>Most dope fiends I know, max their tolerance to H and then start adding crack.
I can't imagine anything worse than a crackhead who is dopesick
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>>718628046
I don't like to mix substances unless it's weed + (insert other drug). Props on going that hard though, just try not go to jail :c
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30 years without heroin, stil feels great
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>>718627974
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMiPvPe95iw
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that's coff surup faggot.
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>>718628225
No probbbb, I never really knew until I got some 5ml fucking giants from the pharm

interestingly enough, they "say" those tiny rigs for skin popping insulin are not made for veins....suppose to use the big fuckers. Never understood or agreed with that.
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>>718623553

Not trying to debate you on this. Whatever works for you. Really. Not going to type it all out, but for about a year or so now, I have been questioning religion, faith, God, or "God", all that. Talked to "spiritual advisors", read a lot, much self-analysis. I'll say this. The solution can be Jesus, or a bag of crystals. Pretty much the same method of how it works. Faith in "something" that a person believes actually works. It is only real if you believe it is.
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>>718628448

I've got depersonalization disorder and dysthemia. I can't do a whole range of drugs as a result even weed unless it's skank. Sucks man. Now I only drink.
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>>718628310
These fuckers that shoot crack end up with real psychosis.

Interestingly, they seemed to be able to abandon dope for crack, IDK if that was just a cost thing or if they gradually switched.......

Strangest thing about crack, (coke too i guess, but IDK anyone that can afford a coke habit), that paranoia and psychosis becomes addictive. People get addicted to being paranoid! fucking weird.
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>>718628708

I only ever used the insulin needles. Anything bigger and I'd probably be dead.
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>>718623296
My rule is to drink a glass of water every two or three alcoholic drinks; never had a hangover
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>>718628973

I'm an Apatheist. Any "higher power" based rehab has no effect on me but I'm glad that it works for others.
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>>718628046
what are you looking for doing all these drugs? theyre all so different im suprised you feel anything at all. let alone remember it
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>>718622839
im doing fine. my wife just gave birth to my beautiful daughter
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>>718628708
where does everyone get proper syringes? all I can get here are the insulin needles from walgreens. I was traveling through Arkansas and they have a state law that forbids businesses from selling them unless you have an insulin prescription... so everyone ends up using dirty old needles its fucked
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>>718629147
>Interestingly, they seemed to be able to abandon dope for crack,

I would have. I like the rush, I want to be UP. H is sweet in its own way but not the kind of high that I want. That being said, I got addicted to H and really close with the crack. Had to stop the crack because of the paranoid delusional state it would put me in.
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>>718623296
Don't drink cheap shit, drink wine, mixed with orange juice or apple juice or Koke if you prefer plus some sugar, doit slowly, try to don't get drunk, keep control and measure on how much you drink, put your self a limit and wait until next day.
good look.
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>>718629588

When I was using, I just ordered insulin needles online. Didn't really need anything larger than that.
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>>718622839
Hey guise, I'm addicted to commie hooker piss, I'm also a pathological lier.
Pls halp
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>>718629901
cheers, that actually sounds good
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>>718624459
>>718625133
Lol shoot that O2
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>>718629588
I live in PA, they don't restrict sales here. NJ does that. NY doesn't. Recently the thing in PA is that they only sell you 100 packs. Any pharm really.

I've bought from pharmacy in PA, NY and FL
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>>718629488
its pretty hard to remember any of it. These benders sort of "reboot" me. I feel like i'm starting over new, instead of carrying around a bunch of negative energy. the psychedelics "cleanse the doors of perception" so I can see things how they truly are. (infinite) and the uppers kick me up into top gear creatively and energetically so that I can make proper use of my newly acquired perceptions. the downers bring me back down to earth so that I can still exist in this dimension.
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>>718629901
Sugar is what give you hangovers... u know that right??
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Pugs not drugs!! xD
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>>718629484
Y-you believe in god-like apes?
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>>718622839
Congrats OP. My brother is a heroin addict, just got out of jail and he's now in a rehab. I don't know how long he's been clean but he looks amazing. The past 6 years of my life have been so emotional, stressful, and just horrible, so I get how hard it is. Keep with it.
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>>718629744
See, I never did it for more than a day while i was doing dope too. I can see trading it tho. I get uppy from opiates. Stay up for 2 days straight and shit.
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>>718630279
everyone thinks they know what causes hangovers
but no one really does
not even scientists can figure it out
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>>718629901

I've got a whiteboard on the fridge to keep track of how many shots deep I'm in. It varies 5-8 shots a night. I drink water and haven't had a hangover in years. I'm trying to get down to 4 a night.
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>>718630380
>Y-you believe in god-like apes?

kek.

No. I just don't fucking care about gods or religions. I just doesn't matter to me.
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>>718622839
Good work. Keep it up. Never been an addict (or even used the stuff) but I know it can fuck you up. A friend of mine lost her twin sister 4 months ago, to a heroin overdose. They thought she was over it, but she relapsed. The worst part is now there's a four-year-old kid that's growing up without a mother.
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>>718630279
is not the sugar buddy, is the ethanol, try drinking cheap whisky or vodka and something of medium quality, ad some sugar to the cocktail, no hangover.
Believe me, i know a little.
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>>718630738
she was stupid anyway. when you relapse you cant go back to your usual dosage, you have to go back down to newbie doses. the kid is better off with out an idiot junkie mother anway
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>>718622839
I know way more recovering heroin users than I thought I'd know by now.

You'll be fine OP. It's more common than you think.

Some had relapses. One friend is now back on blow and turning into a crackwhore. She has no marketable skills, it's a survival mechanism tbh. Latches onto people who can provide for her in the best (only) way she knows how.
Other guy I know was a really heavy heroin user as well as his girl. Then his girl OD'ed. Went cold turkey, dude's making just a little south of 100k now as a network engineer.
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>>718630480
Well, scientist must ask to the brewers, destilation and wood barrels are the big difference.
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>>718622839
5 weeks clean from alcohol. Good shit OP.
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>>718631039
well it also turned out to be Speedball
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>>718631228
so either she overdosed herself on purpose or her dealer wanted her to od
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>>718630480
hangovers are caused by supressing neurotransmitters which respond by increasing their activity.

so you wake up feeling fucked up because you are too activated. try drinking steadily for 4 days in a row and then stopping. you hear voices and masterbate like 1o times a day
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>>718631039
That's fucked up man.
Some chick derailed and ended up dying. Now a kids been turned into an orphan.
What's wrong with you
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>>718631113

Fucking quitter!
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>>718631632
>hangovers are caused by supressing neurotransmitters
>nope
>>718631095
>destilation and wood barrels are the big difference.
>nope
>>718630792
>is the ethanol,
>nope

What causes an alcohol hangover?
what causes a cocaine hangover?
what causes a molly hangover?
what causes a psychedelic hangover?

you are ingesting poisons and you wonder why it has ill aftereffects? YOU ARE CONSUMING POISON
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>>718631039
>you have to go back down to newbie doses

This. I saw more than a few junkies get out of jail and OD on their first hit. They never fucking listened.
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>>718631654
at least now the kid has a chance at a semi-normal life being raised by someone hopefully sober, not some junkie who cares about nothing but her next fix
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>>718631354

No. Batches of fentanyl laced dope ODs when they roll into an area. Philip Seymour Hoffman died from this kind of hot shot.
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>>718632371
You must be in a very dark place.
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>>718632631
*fentanyl laced dope cause ODs*
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>>718624141
Roll
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>>718622839
26 years no heroin ha! Beat that junkie
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>>718631632

4 days? Damm I drink for a month in a row, 20 shots or so, and landed in detox twice in 3 months

AA never helped. Went to more meetings drunk than sober. Then again I'm am anti social weirdo
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>>718633851
>Went to more meetings drunk than sober.

Ha! I used to go to court mandated AA meetings with my ex-wife (meetings were for her) and I be plastered. My OTC BAT box would put me in the .15 to .25 range. Also, AA meetings were a great place to pick up one night stands. I say Fuck the 13th step!
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>>718635027
>13th step
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>>718622839
Congrats mate. Picked up a little less than half a g of some fire dope last night
>pic related
I've been on and off junk for a few years now. I always quit when things start looking like they're getting ugly. I know eventually my luck will run out though.
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>>718633851
yeah i have no idea what 3 months of getting drunk is like

sounds horrible. god speed nigger.
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>>718632631
hot shots are created on purpose to kill someone
if you lace dope with fentanyl you are making it way too potent. its been laced by someone who was pissed off. maybe some dealer pissed off their source... guess what? the next batch they get is full of hot shots and you get people dying left and right, authorities come snooping around and people with vengeance in mind. that dealer is fucked. no one creates hot shots for any other reason than to make people die.
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Iv used dog needles before too.... I'm 2 years clean. Just bought a new car and am going snowboarding for 3 days and renting a cabin for 4 days this weekend. Life is so fucking easy if you can just do 3 things. Do t do drugs, don't lie, keep a job
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>>718635971
Not everyone is an addict though. Some people can use drugs to enhance their experiences without serious consequences or becoming addicted. It's a frustrating concept for an addict to grasp but it is true.
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>>718622839
3 days off marijuana. i feel your pain OP. the struggle is real
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>>718636771
LOL
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6 months in a program called 18 in greece,im 2 years clean now and about to become a daddy in 3 months.never felt better in my entire life
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>>718623296
Just stop you fucking faggot. That's literally all there is to it.
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>>718637114
i thought that the 5 first days of withdrawal was the worst part but what comes later is the worst part actually,my mind.did psychotherapy and it turned very well,im a bit wiser now i can feel it
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I hear owning a rehab clinic is a GREAT way to make money. Especially since most go back to using and make multiple trips through. Sure you want them to get better but that high is worth dying for they say, so you profit off of whose who lose control. To those in this thread gratz on getting clean. To those not clean, can't wait to help you someday. Together we can!
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Why did you people start and do you wish you never did??
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>>718628046

Lies
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>>718622839
congreatz. NA fag here. 10 years off H, 6 years sober ( I kept drinking for a few years afterwards unfortunantly )
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Addicts?!?

Muh, put them in prison for a year and give them counseling. Double the sentence each time till it becomes life in jail. Only way to stop these drug suicides.
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>>718625818
It's about actually doing the step work with a sponsor. Have you tried that before?

12 Steps offers a pretty specific method for dealing with emotions and life problems. For many people, having this new set of tools is extremely helpful.

Don't get me wrong I fucking hate AA/NA some days. AA in particular rubs me the wrong way with all their God bullshit. And don't even get me started on the AA ( weed isn't a drug so its ok I smoke) people.
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>>718637523
>what comes later is the worst part actually
yeah take at least a year for your brain to jump start the good chemicals again...
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>>718638671
yeah b/c prison is a great place to get mentally healthy lol
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AA only ever made me want to drink more after every meeting. It's definitely not for everyone. I only believe in medical help so I got shots of Vivatrol and didn't drink for a year.

Drinking is to much fun to give up. So now I'm drinking again. Ruins my life but it's the only time I can turn the sound down.
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>>718639519
just a thought, but if you want to quit again at some point, try going all-in with AA for a year. Like if you get to the "I'm going to put a bullet in my brain" stage of drinking.

I bounced in and out of the program for a while - but once I started doing the work, I found my life getting better, and my relapses getting further and further apart.

I don't know - think of it as positive brain washing, or mental hack or something. But actually doing the step work is helpful, and gave me tools to stop drinking/using.
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>>718630155
you are so far up your own ass, I hesitate to not call this b8. You are not accomplishing anything by doing that shit, you're just a shit human being.
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>>718639808
Brain washing is the more accurate descriptor. You substitute a physically destructive drug addiction to a safe but morally dubious religion addiction. If that's all that can possibly work for you then I guess its better than letting your life fall apart and dying.

But I will also say that the biggest element of making AA or any rehabilitation work is the social element. Rats that have been deliberately hooked on heroine will get off the stuff themselves if they have a healthy group of rat friends to help them through it. The isolation that drug use brings is one of the biggest problems of it, and the sense of community that an AA program offers is one of its biggest assets.

I reckon the point at which AA programs really start working for people is when the people at the meetings become their social group, what you call going "all-in."
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>>718623801
Story?
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Currently taking care of a heroin overdose in the ER. That's all you need to see to think twice about all that shit.
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>>718624918
sup FBI
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>>718628046
yeah ok kid I totally believe that lol not

It is funny to imagine some fucking lunatic shoveling down a quad of booms, a few grams of mescaline, throwing a ten strip on the tongue, washing it down with datura tea (this is the part where your asinine post loses any credulity) and then desperately smoking a rip of salvia, blasting off on DMT and then trying to rinse and repeat as many times as possible before losing all motor function.

Like I've met some druggo ass wook ass people, sincerely gross in their excessive use of psychedelics and other drugs, but nothing even remotely this fucking ridiculous. Nobody fucking does datura, and barely anyone does salvia. If you wanted to be more believable you'd say you were gonna do a half-gram of ketamin in a single line.
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Your tolerance must be so low right now, imagine how fucked up you would get. It'd be like your first time all over again.
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>>718641288
LMAO
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I'm addicted as fuck to kratom a herbal opioid ... I know if I ever tried heroin I would be fucked for life...
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>>718642839
Just curious, but why would you start on kratom if you weren't trying to get yourself off something harder? Seems kind of silly to be honest.
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>>718625133
That's a nice big shot there. How much in that bad boy?
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>>718642970
Kratom is used for a lot of things. It's great for anxiety and depression too. A lot of people start using kratom for all kinds of reasons, it's not meant to be exclusively for drug addicts trying to quit.
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I got clean with SMART recovery it's all CBT and psychology. Way better than 12step
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>>718622839
1 year and 2 months off of Norcos/Oxys
still on Kratom, planning to quit these soon too, my dosages have 2 grams so far a day from 20 grams since the begnning.
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>>718642970
it's Malaysia's Methadone, only WAY safer
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>>718642839
Lol "addicted as fucked." Withdrawal for you would be a runny nose and a bad mood for 2 days. Definitely stay away from dope.
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keep it up op

dont listen to the haters

i just celebrated a year clean

just dont use and go to meetings. we got this.
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>>718622839
Congrats man Im on a week myself this night I got a suboxone blockade up and my stomach still feels like shit. Any idea when sleep will go back to normal and I wont blow a load in a fucking second?
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>>718643294
Well yeah, but I guess it just seems odd that someone using kratom for medical reasons wouldn't have started with prescription opioids first, and if he wasn't using it to manage anxiety or depression and was just trying to get high it also seems weird to start with the bitter plant that requires you to shovel it down by the gram to experience its relatively mild high along with the nausea and other negative side effects.

>>718643416
I asked him why he'd take kratom if he wasn't trying to get off something harder, obviously kratom is preferable to methadone.
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>>718644102
The word about Kratom is spreading and thankfully more people are finding out about it. Perhaps he looked up "legal highs" on the Internet and decided to try it. I'm glad more people are finding out about it. Kratom really is an awesome plant.
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>>718624436
you think Jewish docs would work for shit tier VA? No that is work for goys that could only get into med school in the Caribbean
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>>718644276
Its still a physically addictive opioid-like substance as far as I'm concerned and I don't think its use should be encouraged among people who aren't using it for medical or rehabilitation reasons. Its phenomenal for those specific things but, as that anon in the post remarked, still addictive.

I'm not advocating for making it illegal, mind, I think all drugs ought to be legal, but I'm a bit taken aback by your enthusiasm for more people using the plant for recreational reasons. In its home country it became a bit of a problem with youth users, albeit mainly in conjunction with cough syrup in a cocktail more palatable for recreational use.
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>>718644741
I never said I was advocating recreational use, I simply said that might be the reason the guy had found out about it 8 have used Kratom for anxiety and depression for years and I am also a recovering opiate addict 8 agree that it shouldn't be taken for recreational purposes and that anyone considering use should tesearch the plant and its benefits before trying it. I don't think anyone should just start using it to get high, that's not what I meant at all. Sorry if my wording was off.
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>>718642970
Well it kind of snuck up on me, only drug I've ever been addicted to besides weed but this is physically addicting. I kind of just realized one day that I've been doing it for over 2 years now. I have quit multiple times but always get back to doing it from feeling empty sober.
>>718643426
I mean you still get withdrawls the worst part is the restless leg feeling and the problems regulating temperature . I know it's not as bad as H or oxy but if you do lots of it for long periods it's definitely very physically and mentally unpleasant to say the least.
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>>718646218
Not really what I was asking man. Why did you start using kratom in the first place? Just for fun?
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>>718645293
I think kratom is extremely underestimated... If you look online some people even say it's non addictive and even compare it to a cup of coffee!
The withdrawals definitely get worse and worse the longer you keep taking it. But I'm glad I'm not on any harder opiate or I would be seriously fucked. I have a addictive personality.. So far quit smoking cigs since new year. I actually ordered some gabapentin to help with my hopefully final kratom withdrawal. I had my own business going in the summer when I was clean from it for 2 months, and I just took it one time and sunk right back into the same spot. I would of never thought I would ever be physically addicted to a drug it totally snuck up on me and sank it's fangs in. I used to look down on junkies but since this addiction I can have a huge amount of empathy for them and understand what it's like. Needing to take a drug or else you feel sick which fucks up your life. Again I don't get nearly as sick as dope heads but the mental aspects are exactly the same with any painkiller I would say.
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>>718646442
I used to work a labor job and one of my co-workers would take it and I tried some . it made such a huge difference in my workday it would be like night and day, usually I would be stressed as fuck but when I took it I would feel amazing. Started doing it every day .. And I would feel tired and burnt out from it. I've actually been unemployed since the year that I took it.. Opioids seriously destroy your motivation to do anything, I would just get high and browse 4chan.. I'm even high on it right now :(
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>>718646218
so you dodged the bullet. don't mess with dope.

stay safe <3
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>>718647047
Thanks, I see. Well best of luck man, kind of a shitty turn of events but you know they don't tell you to stay away from opioids in school for nothing. Hopefully you can drop the kratom habit more permanently at some point.
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>>718647058
Yeah thank you bro likewise!
I will never do dope .. The only thing keeping me from it is my brain, I know for a fact it would destroy the rest of my life without any hope of becoming sober. With kratom I atleast feel that I have hope and I can beat, I just need to battle it for the last time.

I've heard every single person admit that they wish they never tried dope. I heard the same things with cigarettes and i ended up smoking myself..
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>>718647638
Thank you much appreciated. I was actually happy when they announced it would be scheduled in November but the kratomfags got the dea to delay the ban.


Not trying to steal the spotlight from the dope boys. You guys are the ones who really need support..


It's very strange.... How can someone not be addicted to feeling good?

It uses our most basic natueal instincts against us... Humans try to look for pleasure and avoid pain..
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>>718648115
Thats what Hobbes thought but I don't know if I buy that whole appetites and aversions thing 100%. We're not animals running purely on instinct, we can reason and see that getting high today means feeling down tomorrow and getting high every day isn't sustainable. And there's a difference between pleasure and happiness, one we are capable of discerning. Happiness begets pleasure. Chemical pleasure is a poor substitute for happiness, a band-aid.
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