>>718623203 Well not tryna preach to ya, just sharing my experience but to be honest Jesus did. Went to bunch of rehabs and it never worked, really didnt wanna get clean, never really worked the steps. Went to jesus rehab and it actually gave me the will to want to stop. I really havnt even struggled with wanting to use ever since.
>>718623752 Thanks man. Yeah thats actually been the hardest part is getting back in to normal life. Drugs became my way of life and i was living on the streets for some time too. Its just great to have freedom again.
Kicking was the most physical pain I've ever felt. Lot of sleepless and warm baths. I finally got to the point where I was awake 3 plus days. I finally gave in and called my local VA Clinic (yes, I'm a vet) told them what was going on and the got me an emergency appointment the next day. I told the Dr about all my psych and insomnia meds, got scripts filled, and I've been mostly okay since.
>>718624108 Why punish through withdrawals for half the time only to throw it all away and relapse on some other dependency drug?? You know the VA is really just Jews shoving all the pill they possibly can onto vets, right?
Lemme know when you wake up shaking shutting your pants and vomiting and unable to find a vein causw you're so shot out and then all your family cuts you off and you lose your job and become hom3less and fucking die from an ODD
SHIT did I spoil the surprise
Oh the ultimate irony is that you stop getting high and can't stop using no matter what your ass wants
>>718623978 Not every group is equal. Some take "spiritual" to be capital God, others more direct "a higher spiritual power." Some NA places are full of enablers, some AA places will shun you for being hooked on something other than alcohol. Shop around. Each meeting is different. If you don't have anything local that suits your needs, find something else. Keep looking. It's the follow ups that keep you clean. Quitting is easy, it's staying quit that sucks.
>>718624436 >Why punish through withdrawals for half the time only to throw it all away and relapse on some other dependency drug??
I never relapsed. I actually smoked/shot some roxies a couple of times with a stripper/fwb of mine. I enjoyed it fine but never craved it like before. Nothing since then.
Probably drink more than I should, but I manage.
>You know the VA is really just Jews shoving all the pill they possibly can onto vets, right?
I went in and told them exactly the meds I wanted and why. I talked it over with my Dr and he agreed with my assessment. I've tuned my dosages a few times but I always go back to the same med cocktail mix.
>>718624150 its full of lies and programming where they turn you into parrots. its completely religious. all 12 steps are taken from the bible. it only helps a small number of people who try it. they convince you that you have a disease that you can NEVER get rid of, and that the only chance you have is to give all your power over to God. When people don't believe in God, they are convinced that they cannot beat the addiction so they may as well go get some more drugs because they are fucked for the rest of their life.
I need advice. A real good friend of mine is addicted to meth but keeps telling me his off it and all this shit and just keeps bullshitting to me. I know for a fact his still on it. How can i help him?
>>718624699 I honestly kinda agree. But it works for some people. For me, meetings just reminded me of the drug and acted as a trigger for me. I found it much easier to put it all behind me, not think about it, and fill my mind with good things. Not dwelling on my past. And now ive been heroin and crack free for almost 2 years
>>718625208 if he his unwilling or unable to stop himself, he needs to check himself into rehab. if he is unwilling to do this, an intervention might help. if this isnt possible or doesnt work all you can do is send the police over to his house while he has a decent quantity of meth, get him arrested, where he will sober up in jail.
>>718624910 Didn't use Suboxone, Vivitrol, or Methadone? I'm curious because I'm actually working with a unit that focuses on a safe detox and finding placement for either outpatient or residential services based on availability. It'd be helpful to hear success stories.
>>718625425 >working with a unit that focuses on a safe detox and finding placement for either outpatient or residential services based on availability.
I know someone who went into a Suboxone "detox" outpatient program, where they prescribed her more and more suboxone until she was at the maximum dosage (they say it ceilings out at 16mg per day) and they wanted her to stay at that dosage for years. She was doing this for 3 years, but she was convinced they were just trying to get her to buy their drugs instead of actually detoxing, tapering down, or weening off. She stockpiled all the extra subs while weening herself off of it and after 3 years she quit with quite a huge stockpile leftover.
It works if you taper down properly, but you still need discipline to not relapse afterwords
>>718625818 It's about looking for the one or two people actually there to get shit accomplished and find out if they're able to be a sponsor. Having someone who gives a shit about you isn't easy to come by if all your friends use and accountability is, for many, a necessity.
>>718625954 I hate suboxone. It's prescribing an abusable substance, that if relapse prevention and tapering does not take place and has to be quit cold turkey, is worse to come off of than heroin. Shit gets into your bones and hurts everything, along with the nausea and bowel issues.
>>718625485 admitting you are powerless over your addiction (I admitted I have the power to beat my addiction, and for 5 years I havent touched a drug) realizing only a higher power can save you (i realized that only willpower and discipline can save me) turn our will and lives over to God (yes its with a capital G even though its "totally not religious")
>>718624108 Fuck man, I know what you mean. I went through detox in jail. Jesus Christ it was brutal. I had gotten fucked up so badly by assaults that my entire face was bruised and puffy, I could barely see. They didn't give me anything for the pain, vomiting, or diarrhea, those fucks
>>718626814 >It'd take 2 or 3 full syringes to kill you
That sounds reasonable.
>No pain or anything from that little bit
I don't know. I was always careful with my prep. I wouldn't know how much would cause pain but I know that Hollywood has sold the belief that 5 or 10ml of air would be fatal which we both agree is bullshit.
>>718627237 I like to go on a week bender every once and a while. I start it off with about 10 hits of acid and a 1/4 oz of mushrooms and a couple grams of mescaline. I then drink some datura tea. I then alternate between bong hits of salvia and smokine DMT for the next 2 hours while im waiting for the first drugs to kick in, At this point, I am so far detached from reality that the next 20 hours I have complete ego loss. then If I don't wake up in jail I finish the next 6 days off alternating between days of coke and meth and molly and then days of heroin and xanax. You have to be careful mixing these two so you have to take the xanax after you are coming down off the h if you dont want to die.
Not trying to debate you on this. Whatever works for you. Really. Not going to type it all out, but for about a year or so now, I have been questioning religion, faith, God, or "God", all that. Talked to "spiritual advisors", read a lot, much self-analysis. I'll say this. The solution can be Jesus, or a bag of crystals. Pretty much the same method of how it works. Faith in "something" that a person believes actually works. It is only real if you believe it is.
>>718628708 where does everyone get proper syringes? all I can get here are the insulin needles from walgreens. I was traveling through Arkansas and they have a state law that forbids businesses from selling them unless you have an insulin prescription... so everyone ends up using dirty old needles its fucked
>>718629147 >Interestingly, they seemed to be able to abandon dope for crack,
I would have. I like the rush, I want to be UP. H is sweet in its own way but not the kind of high that I want. That being said, I got addicted to H and really close with the crack. Had to stop the crack because of the paranoid delusional state it would put me in.
>>718623296 Don't drink cheap shit, drink wine, mixed with orange juice or apple juice or Koke if you prefer plus some sugar, doit slowly, try to don't get drunk, keep control and measure on how much you drink, put your self a limit and wait until next day. good look.
>>718629488 its pretty hard to remember any of it. These benders sort of "reboot" me. I feel like i'm starting over new, instead of carrying around a bunch of negative energy. the psychedelics "cleanse the doors of perception" so I can see things how they truly are. (infinite) and the uppers kick me up into top gear creatively and energetically so that I can make proper use of my newly acquired perceptions. the downers bring me back down to earth so that I can still exist in this dimension.
>>718622839 Congrats OP. My brother is a heroin addict, just got out of jail and he's now in a rehab. I don't know how long he's been clean but he looks amazing. The past 6 years of my life have been so emotional, stressful, and just horrible, so I get how hard it is. Keep with it.
>>718622839 Good work. Keep it up. Never been an addict (or even used the stuff) but I know it can fuck you up. A friend of mine lost her twin sister 4 months ago, to a heroin overdose. They thought she was over it, but she relapsed. The worst part is now there's a four-year-old kid that's growing up without a mother.
>>718622839 I know way more recovering heroin users than I thought I'd know by now.
You'll be fine OP. It's more common than you think.
Some had relapses. One friend is now back on blow and turning into a crackwhore. She has no marketable skills, it's a survival mechanism tbh. Latches onto people who can provide for her in the best (only) way she knows how. Other guy I know was a really heavy heroin user as well as his girl. Then his girl OD'ed. Went cold turkey, dude's making just a little south of 100k now as a network engineer.
Ha! I used to go to court mandated AA meetings with my ex-wife (meetings were for her) and I be plastered. My OTC BAT box would put me in the .15 to .25 range. Also, AA meetings were a great place to pick up one night stands. I say Fuck the 13th step!
>>718622839 Congrats mate. Picked up a little less than half a g of some fire dope last night >pic related I've been on and off junk for a few years now. I always quit when things start looking like they're getting ugly. I know eventually my luck will run out though.
>>718632631 hot shots are created on purpose to kill someone if you lace dope with fentanyl you are making it way too potent. its been laced by someone who was pissed off. maybe some dealer pissed off their source... guess what? the next batch they get is full of hot shots and you get people dying left and right, authorities come snooping around and people with vengeance in mind. that dealer is fucked. no one creates hot shots for any other reason than to make people die.
Iv used dog needles before too.... I'm 2 years clean. Just bought a new car and am going snowboarding for 3 days and renting a cabin for 4 days this weekend. Life is so fucking easy if you can just do 3 things. Do t do drugs, don't lie, keep a job
>>718635971 Not everyone is an addict though. Some people can use drugs to enhance their experiences without serious consequences or becoming addicted. It's a frustrating concept for an addict to grasp but it is true.
>>718637114 i thought that the 5 first days of withdrawal was the worst part but what comes later is the worst part actually,my mind.did psychotherapy and it turned very well,im a bit wiser now i can feel it
I hear owning a rehab clinic is a GREAT way to make money. Especially since most go back to using and make multiple trips through. Sure you want them to get better but that high is worth dying for they say, so you profit off of whose who lose control. To those in this thread gratz on getting clean. To those not clean, can't wait to help you someday. Together we can!
>>718625818 It's about actually doing the step work with a sponsor. Have you tried that before?
12 Steps offers a pretty specific method for dealing with emotions and life problems. For many people, having this new set of tools is extremely helpful.
Don't get me wrong I fucking hate AA/NA some days. AA in particular rubs me the wrong way with all their God bullshit. And don't even get me started on the AA ( weed isn't a drug so its ok I smoke) people.
>>718639808 Brain washing is the more accurate descriptor. You substitute a physically destructive drug addiction to a safe but morally dubious religion addiction. If that's all that can possibly work for you then I guess its better than letting your life fall apart and dying.
But I will also say that the biggest element of making AA or any rehabilitation work is the social element. Rats that have been deliberately hooked on heroine will get off the stuff themselves if they have a healthy group of rat friends to help them through it. The isolation that drug use brings is one of the biggest problems of it, and the sense of community that an AA program offers is one of its biggest assets.
I reckon the point at which AA programs really start working for people is when the people at the meetings become their social group, what you call going "all-in."
It is funny to imagine some fucking lunatic shoveling down a quad of booms, a few grams of mescaline, throwing a ten strip on the tongue, washing it down with datura tea (this is the part where your asinine post loses any credulity) and then desperately smoking a rip of salvia, blasting off on DMT and then trying to rinse and repeat as many times as possible before losing all motor function.
Like I've met some druggo ass wook ass people, sincerely gross in their excessive use of psychedelics and other drugs, but nothing even remotely this fucking ridiculous. Nobody fucking does datura, and barely anyone does salvia. If you wanted to be more believable you'd say you were gonna do a half-gram of ketamin in a single line.
>>718642970 Kratom is used for a lot of things. It's great for anxiety and depression too. A lot of people start using kratom for all kinds of reasons, it's not meant to be exclusively for drug addicts trying to quit.
>>718622839 Congrats man Im on a week myself this night I got a suboxone blockade up and my stomach still feels like shit. Any idea when sleep will go back to normal and I wont blow a load in a fucking second?
>>718643294 Well yeah, but I guess it just seems odd that someone using kratom for medical reasons wouldn't have started with prescription opioids first, and if he wasn't using it to manage anxiety or depression and was just trying to get high it also seems weird to start with the bitter plant that requires you to shovel it down by the gram to experience its relatively mild high along with the nausea and other negative side effects.
>>718643416 I asked him why he'd take kratom if he wasn't trying to get off something harder, obviously kratom is preferable to methadone.
>>718644102 The word about Kratom is spreading and thankfully more people are finding out about it. Perhaps he looked up "legal highs" on the Internet and decided to try it. I'm glad more people are finding out about it. Kratom really is an awesome plant.
>>718644276 Its still a physically addictive opioid-like substance as far as I'm concerned and I don't think its use should be encouraged among people who aren't using it for medical or rehabilitation reasons. Its phenomenal for those specific things but, as that anon in the post remarked, still addictive.
I'm not advocating for making it illegal, mind, I think all drugs ought to be legal, but I'm a bit taken aback by your enthusiasm for more people using the plant for recreational reasons. In its home country it became a bit of a problem with youth users, albeit mainly in conjunction with cough syrup in a cocktail more palatable for recreational use.
>>718644741 I never said I was advocating recreational use, I simply said that might be the reason the guy had found out about it 8 have used Kratom for anxiety and depression for years and I am also a recovering opiate addict 8 agree that it shouldn't be taken for recreational purposes and that anyone considering use should tesearch the plant and its benefits before trying it. I don't think anyone should just start using it to get high, that's not what I meant at all. Sorry if my wording was off.
>>718642970 Well it kind of snuck up on me, only drug I've ever been addicted to besides weed but this is physically addicting. I kind of just realized one day that I've been doing it for over 2 years now. I have quit multiple times but always get back to doing it from feeling empty sober. >>718643426 I mean you still get withdrawls the worst part is the restless leg feeling and the problems regulating temperature . I know it's not as bad as H or oxy but if you do lots of it for long periods it's definitely very physically and mentally unpleasant to say the least.
>>718645293 I think kratom is extremely underestimated... If you look online some people even say it's non addictive and even compare it to a cup of coffee! The withdrawals definitely get worse and worse the longer you keep taking it. But I'm glad I'm not on any harder opiate or I would be seriously fucked. I have a addictive personality.. So far quit smoking cigs since new year. I actually ordered some gabapentin to help with my hopefully final kratom withdrawal. I had my own business going in the summer when I was clean from it for 2 months, and I just took it one time and sunk right back into the same spot. I would of never thought I would ever be physically addicted to a drug it totally snuck up on me and sank it's fangs in. I used to look down on junkies but since this addiction I can have a huge amount of empathy for them and understand what it's like. Needing to take a drug or else you feel sick which fucks up your life. Again I don't get nearly as sick as dope heads but the mental aspects are exactly the same with any painkiller I would say.
>>718646442 I used to work a labor job and one of my co-workers would take it and I tried some . it made such a huge difference in my workday it would be like night and day, usually I would be stressed as fuck but when I took it I would feel amazing. Started doing it every day .. And I would feel tired and burnt out from it. I've actually been unemployed since the year that I took it.. Opioids seriously destroy your motivation to do anything, I would just get high and browse 4chan.. I'm even high on it right now :(
>>718647047 Thanks, I see. Well best of luck man, kind of a shitty turn of events but you know they don't tell you to stay away from opioids in school for nothing. Hopefully you can drop the kratom habit more permanently at some point.
>>718647058 Yeah thank you bro likewise! I will never do dope .. The only thing keeping me from it is my brain, I know for a fact it would destroy the rest of my life without any hope of becoming sober. With kratom I atleast feel that I have hope and I can beat, I just need to battle it for the last time.
I've heard every single person admit that they wish they never tried dope. I heard the same things with cigarettes and i ended up smoking myself..
>>718648115 Thats what Hobbes thought but I don't know if I buy that whole appetites and aversions thing 100%. We're not animals running purely on instinct, we can reason and see that getting high today means feeling down tomorrow and getting high every day isn't sustainable. And there's a difference between pleasure and happiness, one we are capable of discerning. Happiness begets pleasure. Chemical pleasure is a poor substitute for happiness, a band-aid.
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