If the Death Star is so massive that it can be mistaken as a moon it should have its own gravitational field, which means you can have "patrols" orbiting the space station which dont spend fuel. Furthermore it is possible to have armed drones in orbit for defense purposes.
Why are there no satellites orbiting the Death Star in Star Wars /b/?
>>718556493 because what happens to those satellites when the death star jumps to light speed? Sure it could tractor them all in but that would slow down the jump process in a thought flawless station with no weak point.
as they said, The station is built to stand against large ships. They do not consider a stunt fighter to be a threat because they dont know about the thermal exhaust flaw.
>>718556493 Well, in theory, it does have gravity. It's simply counteracted by whatever planet is nearby. But, you know, that raises an interesting point. Faster than light travel requires plotting the positions and movements of celestial bodies. The Death Star hiding behind a moon should alter its orbit to a measurable degree.
>>718557727 What's wrong with what I wrote? Everything with mass has gravity to a greater or lesser extent. Therefore, any nearby body would prevent ships from orbiting the DS. >not understanding how greentext works 101
>>718557833 you are right with the fighters in the movies they even keep the large battleships around. but let's talk bigger for a moment i dont think bigger structures for defensive purposes would be logical. as you see again in the movie everything is on the death stars surface which is the most sensical place to put it.
to answer OP: there are large battleships orbiting the death star. there is no need for extra shenanigens/defense.
>>718556493 Because it's not actually a moon. It travels various places to terrorized planets. Satellites would be a waste of time and energy unless they were just going to sit in one place all the time which would defeat the purpose of the thing.
A better question is why doesnt the death star get covered in tiny bits of space debris every time it stops? Even their smaller ships are said to have space trash stick to them.
Wouldnt they have to clean the death star before they jumped to hyperspace? If not then this space debris would, if nothing else, bring all the debris on the leading edge of the ship into hyperspace with it. Then when they dropped out this debris would be flying through hyper space and potentially bombarding all their other ships. They wouldnt even need their fucking laser to destory a planet, just have a good sized piece of trash and when they dropped out of hypeespace they could have an asteroid crash into a planet at faster than light speeds.
>>718556493 one can see, in the scene where the Falcon is being brought in to one of the hangars, that the Death Star does not have a proper gravity field, as everything is oriented perpendicular to the surface, probably a function of the massive inertial dampers that would have to be in use. I doubt anything about its gravity field would be considered conventional. For example, if Interdictor cruisers and tractor beams can simulate mass/gravity, it stands to reason that the Empire would apply some nullification effect to the Death Star, to keep it from pulling, or being pulled, by nearby bodies. Probably a hybrid repulsor/damper technology. Star wars is space opera, not Sci-fi. A better question is, how do Ben, Chewie, C-3po, and R2-D2 get from the Falcon to the control room without being seen or stopped?
Ignore him, these people dont understand gravity either. Modern science knows that gravity and mass are linked, but theres something like 5x more gravity in the universe than there is mass to account for it. No one understands gravity fully, which is why the discovery of the higgs boson was a big deal; it was a large step towards truly understanding gravity.
>>718558403 in no way can another body counter a body's gravity. It can also influence objects but the original body's gravity to an object does not change because you add a new planet/moon into the mix.
>>718559418 they have already observed the Higgs-boson and it isnt relevant to this conversation anyway. We do have enough understanding of gravity to know the equation of attraction between two objects (gravity). Are there things about gravity we dont understand? yes, but they are not relevant to this discussion.
>>718556493 Would tie fighters be crashing into those friggin satilites coming in and out of the ship? The best tech would be drones that create a loarge perimeter like the rings of saturn but in all directions looking for potential threats. Like tie fighters and cargo ships theyd have to be recalled before the jump to hyperspace.
So how is understanding the true nature of gravity not relavent to this conversation?
We currently belive that gravity porpotional to mass, but theres not enough mass in the universe to account for the amount of gravity that we can observe. So essentially our understanding of gravity is pretty much a hypothesis rather than a fact. There could be easily be something else going on and it simply appears that gravity and mass are directly related.
We have discovered the higgs-boson, but there are other theoretical bosons which we are trying to discover and they could eaily change our fundamental understanding of gravity.
>>718557130 Depending on what it is made of, that wouldn't necessarily matter. If the materials used are denser than typical planetary rock, then the masses could still be comparable.
The average density of granite is between 2.65 and 2.75 g/cm3, its compressive strength usually lies above 200 MPa, and its viscosity near STP is 3–6. 1019 Pa. s.
Stainless Steel (alloy comp MIM-316L) has a density of 7.80 g/cm3.
So for low ore bearing planetoids of a comparable size, they could be 2-3 times less dense and therefore less massive than the Death Star.
OTOH, you couldn't bring the Death Star close to any planetoid without potentially disrupting the orbits of everything in the system. This goes for other massive ships like the ID4 motherships and so on. This would severely limit their utility and and make supply and logistics a nightmare making much more efficient and desirable to make many smaller vessels instead of one giant, but near useless ship.
Even at our currently level of technology we have still discovered wireless energy. Currently it isnt practical because a lot of energy is lost in transmission and it doesnt go very far. Still exists though and any sociect capable of destroying planets with a death star would likely have fine tuned it enough to be able to utilize it to power satillites.
We're arguing about gravity now? Gravity is the return of time to a stable state. Time passes where mass is divided, higher concentrations of mass 'slow' time down. Time isn't supposed to be moving, and when gravity finally puts the universe back together, time will also stop.
>>718560676 A gravity field would be more trouble than it's worth. It'd increase fuel costs of nearby ships and fighter craft, not to mention making it more difficult to move the Death Start itself around.
They clearly have cheap antigravity technology (see: landspeeders, speederbikes, artificial gravity inside spaceships, flying robots), so they just have repulsor technology built in to cancel out the Death Star's gravitational pull.
>>718562599 The gravity-induced acceleration between any two bodies is dependent on their mass. It's not dependent on the mass of anything else nearby, although other masses will cumulatively modify that acceleration.
But all of that is irrelevant since Star Wars has cheap antigravity tech all over the place.
>>718556986 >as they said, The station is built to stand against large ships. They do not consider a stunt fighter to be a threat because they dont know about the thermal exhaust flaw. Well thank god a mechanic droid was able to figure out what a fuckton of engineers and architect software programs couldn't
>>718562994 Reading comprehension is not your strong point, I see. I did preface that post with 'low ore planetoids.' But think about it like this:
USGS Minerals Infromation: Statistical Compendium - IRON ORE https://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/iron_ore/stat/ Jan 11, 2013 - By Peter Kuck. Iron is the fourth most abundant rock-forming element and composes about 5% of the Earth's crust.
The Death Star's mass would be very near 100% of the mass of the ship vs just 5 or percent for an 'average' planetoid.
Beyond that, we do not even 'know' what the core of our moon is like, let alone others in our system, and nothing of one's outside our systems.
The death star is a giant structure made of hollow corridors and obviously lightweight materials (to allow it to be shipped to space/constructed) and this is further reinforced by the fact that structures in space need not be very strong at all (paper thin panels and struts on modern permanent space structures).
So the structure doesn't have the necessary mass to support orbiting even a small space craft, I'd assume. Also, it takes fuel to stay in orbit. There is no such thing as a perfectly stable orbit, just like our moon is getting further away (or closer fuck it I don't remember) every year, just like our ISS needs to fire prograde rockets to stay within L3 point range. You can't just orbit without fuel, especially on a man made tiny structure.
>>718563896 >obviously lightweight materials (to allow it to be shipped to space/constructed) Why wouldn't they extract materials from astetoids and make everything in space with factory ships? That happens even in the SW universe
>Also, it takes fuel to stay in orbit. Not much and with how energy effecient they are (personal fighters hopping across the galaxy before engaging in hour long battles) its a non-issue.
The real answer is SW is full of plot holes that could have been filled with things already existing in the universe.
>>718563896 Dude, its a battle station, designed with cheap futuristic materials, and assembled in orbit with cheap, easy-mode spaceflight. Additionally it was made to resist attacks by multiple capital ships.
Your post assumes a level of space flight tech comparable to our one which is clearly not the case in Star wars.
>>718563367 >The Rebellion already knew that there was a weakness with the power core, Is that in a New Hope, extended universe, or Rogue One? I didn't think they knee that until they had the plans but I've only seen a New Hope
>>718565642 Star Wars being more space fantasy than science fiction, it's always been hard for me to place the in-universe level of technological advancement. Take, for example, the clunky and rigid motions of C-3PO, who is highly intelligent, compared to the fluid movements of the nearly retarded battle droids used before the clone wars, or the sleek design of Naboo ships compared to everything else in the galaxy. How high-tech, exactly, is the Death Star? It's a massive space station with a massive laser array manned by a crew that seems to number in the thousands--the vast majority of whom are clones, yet all of the terminals for every station appear to be completely analog. The only digital or network interfaces available are compatible only with the proboscis of an R2 unit, and are also partially analog (the interface has to be rotated to acess different parts of the computer system). It's as if the whole station was indeed built with space technology on the level of NASA circa 1968, while the weapons technology is beyond imagining. Genetic engineering in the galactic republic is oddly both extremely advanced and exlusive to just the clone army of the Empire--nobody else seems to be using genetic engineering for anything at all....
Star Wars doesn't make much sense, not that I'm saying it needs to, and the Death Star makes even less sense than the franchise as a whole.
>>718566752 >It's a fun juxtaposition, very retrofuturistic It is actually. I love Star Wars, even if it makes no sense. It's clear that it isn't intended to make sense; it's a space fantasy and it's very good at being that.
they thought they had the ultimate weapon and they could sense threats big enough (like literally big enough/enough firepower) to destroy the deathstar through the force they just couldn't fathom anything destroying it thus ignoring the possibilty altogether
As someone else said, why wouldnt they just mine asteroids? Theres no reason for it to be lightweight.
We have recently invented the EMP drive which has electrict as its only fuel. We have also invented wiresless energy. These are technolgies that already exist in the real world and if developed properly could easily overcome the bullshit point youre trying to make. With these, so long as the death star had enough power it could keep something orbiting it indefinitely.
If youre gonna try and use science to prove a point, learn more about science.
Well if the outside shell had more mass than the core of the deathstar then natural gravity would likely be more akin to a dyson shpere rather than a planet, your argument is invalid.
Honestly, considering that this thing is supposed to be a battleship, it would make way more sense to put your most dense material on the outside of the ship so that you could use it as armor. Then you use your less dense materials for the rest of the structure and the natural gravity would make it so then when inside, gravity would be pulling you away from the center rather than towards it.
except for those thinking machines >>718566752, faster than light travel, and light/particle weapons--including swords that can emit stable, solid light/particle beams.
actually I can sort of imagine that all of those things are achievable in some analog way, in as much as the human brain is not digital so it must be possible to create artificial intelligence that is not digital, FTL is a matter of physics and not computing, and so are light/particle weapons.
the star wars universe seems to lack digital technology. the plans for the death star are apparently stored on a tape (they call it a tape, even though it looks like a hard disk, magnetic disks and tapes are essentially similar forms of analog technology).
Pretty much nailed it. I always thought it was really weird that r2-d2 just communicated with beeps. This requires people to learn an entire language of sounds that they could never possibly make with their mouths. I mean he can understand galactic basic, but was made in such a way that he cannot speak it.. WTF? Makes no fucking sense for his beep language to even exist.
Literally the only reason i can think of is some sort of xenophobia the republic had against those that didnt speak GB and wanted to make sure that they could never use this particular type of droid for some reason.
Still love star wars though in spite of some of the crazy shit thats in it.
when will people learn? star wars is not science-fiction, it is an adventure story which happens to be set in space, please keep this sort of analysis and questioning for fiction which warrants such concerns
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