>pay $17 a paycheck for very good healthcare before Obamacare got rammed though >now paying $170 a paycheck for shitty coverage >yes i know my employer and insurance company are fucking me over >but the cost skyrocketed and i doubt my company is going to foot the bill
>>718468883 You sir, are full of shit and dildos. A friend just moved to Brighton, she says its loaded with filthy fat fucks with awful teeth. That's why she moved there after all, to be with her people.
>this is what the corporate kikes tell you as you line up to pay more in taxes and health insurance than the people who live in first world nations that have universal, free at the point of use, healthcare.
Enjoy willingly licking the shit off your masters asshole as they fuck you red raw with no lube, you retarded Ameripoor.
>>718469128 >loaded with The 3, 4, 5 or 6 people a day that she notices.
There are a percentage of people in the UK with bad dental hygiene, but it's usually in the very poor areas. The irony is that being in a poor area, they probably get it for free. But it's not in the common social mind-set to get checked every six months, which they are entitled to do. For free.
The UK's teeth is a running joke. It's not as bad as TV makes out, but nobody gives a fuck, cos we all think it's funny too.
>>718469268 When you no longer have the health or the choice to have a job well paid, then only you will realize your error, but it will be too late You can always expect pity and reach out into the street while waiting to die of cancer, only hope that people at this moment do not behave like you today.
>>718471567 They just let you die in the US. I was hosped for epileptic seizures and given nothing, but they did give me an asthma inhaler and reassure me that I was just having a panic attack, after offering me blatant amphetamines to calm it down. Also they charge for one guy to take your vitals, leave, send another guy to ask a single question, charge, leave, then they send one to take blood, charge, leave, and finally send another nurse to ask you questions and then leave without solving the problem. You usually get charged 10 individual day's wages (at doctor wages) by the time you leave.
>>718472183 I don't know, I'm insured. I wouldn't think very much but I don't know. I'm not the fag you were arguing with and I'm pretty sure we're on the same side. I voted for Bernie and his single-payer.
>>718472183 UsuallyUsually $700 and you have to pay $800 a monthmonth for your ineffective vicodin prescription.
Also ambulance rides are charged at $840 per mile if no ambulance supplies are used. I had a broken thumb and got charged about $2000 but got no splint, cast, medical care, medicine or physical therapy. They looked at it and said "k" before charging me $2000.
"Free" healthcare > over 50% income tax Paying for fatass NEETS to get treated for their heart attacks and diabetes And manditory paid healthcare just makes those who cant afford coverage have to still pay something while also not being covered
Welp. Most Democrat states already have a form of socialized state-wide healthcare system. Most Republican states don't. All those poor ass Trump supporting retards will get sick and either die off or bankrupt themselves.
Can't wait for state unemployment numbers in a year or two. WEW LADS.
This worry doesn't exist in sweden. The government has your back. Free healthcare (and one of the best in the world) free schooling, free schools (yes including university, I actually get paid studying along with a loan ofc) and ofc. allemansrätten (freedom to walk on anyones property as long as you're not interrupting, disturbing or littering, mainly applied in the landscape)
ITT neocons keep falling for the "obamacare" meme while demanding to keep health care privatized unironically
health care is a fucking business. the CEOs give themselves raises with your premiums, and the rates are hiked in retaliation OF obamacare. Rates that THEY decide to charge. and chances are most of you live in states that REFUSED obamacare funding out of spite. keep memeing, friends.
>>718467739 Nope. You can literally have no job, and be expected to pay at least $50 a month for coverage. You can skip coverage and pay roughly $700 for the year as a penalty on your taxes, or you can get a job where they pay a portion and you pick up the balance, usually with pretty ridiculous deductibles- until you retire and have to resort to Medicaid or Medicare- so no, I don't, and neither does anyone else.
>>718473766 "cooperate" here used loosely. most socialist countries have trouble affording their healthcare too. and their tax systems are set up TO pay for it too. This is why sanders was unrealistic. this shit can't happen overnight and it'd bankrupt us to try.
I had keystone before obama care it was like 200 or something for ER and basic prescriptions and GP. Once obama care kicked in it went up to 650 and I just cancelled it for a while. I have healthcare with my job now, but I still get raped. I also had the IRS trying to butt fuck me saying I filled out my taxes wrong, that I claimed I had healthcare when I didn't, so I ended up owing them money for the penalty
You left out education, roads, infrastructure, housing, pensions, and all that other good shit. You don't wanna pay for NEETs and their self-imposed diabeetus? Cool. No one does. But when you get cancer, can't work full-time, the bills pile up, you're too sick to drive yourself to the doctor, and you can't afford the rent/mortgage.... well, that's a bitch, ain't it?
>>718473053 >They looked at it and said "k" before charging me $2000.
I got the same thing, and I had just graduated and didn't realize that my insurance through school had just expired (I thought it continued through the end of the month), and they didn't verify that it was good at the front desk, just that I had a card.
So when the bill came, I called to ask what the bill was for exactly, because I literally saw the doctor for 5 minutes total. They said it was 200 to walk in the door and 200 to see the doctor. I asked whether I could give informed consent when they didn't tell me my insurance was up at the desk. She said if I had a problem I'd have to take it up with legal. I said "fuck it" and hung up, knowing I'd be moving out of state and hospitals budget for having to eat some costs.
>>718474264 Trying to get a conservative to sympathize with anyone other than themselves is useless. They have no compassion, because it costs them tax dollars. If they don't suffer from the problem, it doesn't exist and everyones just bitching.
>Ameripoors have absolutely no problem whatsoever with any of this and will try to tell you that you're irresponsible if you don't have six figure sums lying around to pay grossly inflated medical bills after having an accident.
Bet that $150k is for blowing on a paper cut and giving you a lollipop for being brave.
>>718474897 >>718474977 You guys don't realize whats happening here. No one knows what's happening because the system is so complicated, we just give up trying to understand it and continue to defend it while it fucks us in the ass. Our leaders keep us in the dark on purpose because theres a ton of money in it.
They always tell us the high costs pay for the equipment and labor. Now we have to sit back and wonder how much it costs in other countries since literally no one else has a business model like this.
>>718476283 its b8 because the 2nd amendment derails every thread its mentioned in and is usually guaranteed (You)s. giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you know that already, here's your final (You) on the matter. Fish discreetly next time.
>>718476871 "support" used loosely. one of the most constant themes in our elections is "keep it the same". its not surprising that logic hinders progress to new ideas. GOPs approach is always "return to simpler times", "keep it the same", or the most popular "ITS CHANGING AND ITS SCARY AND WE NEED TO GO BACK AND TRUST ME IM THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DO THAT!"
They keep us in the dark on purpose, because voting to keep the status quo means voting to keep the corrupt shit that's been happening for decades now.
>>718477088 this. the vast majority of americans who didn't have healthcare before obama don't have conditions that require checkups/visits. now that they're required to have coverage, they might as well get their moneys worth and are suddenly shocked by the corruption of the health care system. >the corruption thats been there for many years
>>718477088 In this case, it has to do with the billing codes Obama care has spawned. They billed it as "expended contagion prophylaxis with patient education". I reported it to the insurance company. They asked me to sign an affidavit attesting to the fact that a nurse just gave me a flu shot. That Drs. Office dropped me as a patient. Shot is getting fucked up folks.
>>718474072 I pay 18% and if i break a thumb i don't have to pay 2000$ for treatment. All free. And in that 18% there's schools, roads, culture (maybe you have heard of culture, even if you retards spend your days watching trash tv) etcetera etcetera...
How the hell is it 100k for lab and pharmacy? Shit, for 100k I could synthesize the drug compounds myself Yeah I know drug patents and all, but maybe patent upticks shouldn't be charged to the uninsured? After all, they have no informed consent as to what drugs they can take at what price (none of the doctors or nurses know the price of drugs and they might even judge you unfit to consent if you refuse treatment based on price).
>>718473857 Nigger, you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Obamacare alone RESTRICTED interstate competition and created literal monopolies in a lot of states that ALLOWED those CEOs to hike premiums all they wanted because there wasn't 1 other company that could undercut them.
If you're going to try and armchair and hope no one calls you on your blatant bullshit, at least take a 215+ econ course so you don't make yourself look like a complete jackass next time.
The worst thing you can do is work full-time at a low- or middle-income job, because that's where you don't qualify for any government assistance for shit like healthcare (or housing in some cities) at all, and any slips in your monthly bill payments will fuck you over completely.
Umm the state monopolies were already there dumbass. Health insurance was and still is an oligopoly. That's what you get when you demand a private-run insurance system and call any possibility of a public option that would create a competitive standard "socialism".
>>718481234 Was waiting for the bleeding heart liberal to use the classic "think of the kids" excuse.
Taking away personal responsibility from poor families because the government will pay for their healthcare is not an incentive at all for them to succeed. If you think that works you've clearly never strolled through a section-8 where people literally pop out kids to get more money from the government.
Giving people handouts just incentivizes them to sit around fucking and doing fuckall all day because why not? Get free money for contributing nothing or go and get an actual job where you have to (gasp) actually work and pay your own bills?
It's more that "Doctor recommends medication A. Medication B is a possibility, but doctor does not recommend. B is out of patent and is 10% the cost of A and patient is uninsured. Patient does not refuse treatment but demands treatment against doctor's wishes. Doctor is perplexed that money could be more important than health and overrules patient's decision (since patient is not refusing treatment, which is a right)."
>>718481415 No, nigger. Show me proof that there were monopolies in entire states BEFORE obamacare. You're so full of shit it's coming out your ears.
There IS no competitive standard in obamacare. It HAS created monopolies (which are illegal in the US) and premiums have sky-rocketed PRECISELY because of that particular legislation.
How fucking stupid do you have to be to not realize what a failure the shit is? I can almost GUARANTEE you didn't pay a cent in health insurance before this shitshow was even in place or you would know for a fact the shit was cheaper. Literally the only people who say this is some kind of "victory" is poor dipshit 20-somethings who really are on some socialist bandwagon because they think it's 'cool' and their friends at school all cried when Fidel bit the dust.
You faggots really need to get out in the real world and stop listening to your douchebag commie professors drilling your head full of propaganda or you're going to have a hard time come graduation. It's not a coincidence that you idiots struggle more than 80 year olds in the workplace because your head's been filled with fairy tale nonsense.
>>718473582 >I pay maybe 18% tax. How's your federal, state, local district taxes treating you?
this sounds accurate. I live in the US, make a middle income salary, and my effective tax rate was only a little bit less then someone living in Ontario, Canada. If I paid the Ontario rate, I'd actually pocket a little bit more money because I wouldn't have to pay for insurance.
My wife and I combined paid about 66k in taxes last year and got fined for one of her parents only having medicare for 1/2 a year due to the government fucking around with the application process. Thanks Obama.
I'm not the person you're ranting at. I just want you to stop posting because you're an insufferable cunt and every aspect of how you present yourself is infuriating. I don't give a fuck about your politics or who you voted for. Just shut the fuck up you cunt.
>>718481787 Welfare cheats are a real problem everywhere. But we only hear about the bad shit... for every 10 people popping out kids for cash, there's 1,000 working shitty jobs, trying to make ends meet, keeping their kids in school, keeping food on the table, paying their taxes.
There's something wrong when the government can afford $2,000,000 one-shot missiles to drop on camels in sandniggerlandistan but can't give someone a couple hundred for medical treatments.
Nope. Sure as fuck don't. I work a full time job and had great coverage 6 years ago. Now because of the dick shit bamer. I now have shit coverage and I am having heart surgery tomorrow. Oh and I still work the same job.
>>718483575 Honestly people are fucking retards about welfare. The lazy fucks milking the system are not the problem. It's 99% old fucks on medicare. My grandfather had surgery a few years back after a heart attack. Between the helicopter flight and subsequent surgery you are looking at a cool 1/2 million to keep his old ass alive. Now, he's a lawyer and worked for a giant ass coal company for like 50 fucking years so he probably paid in enough, but most old fucks haven't. It costs hundreds of thousands in medical shit to keep old fucks ticking for even a year or two. How many rednecks and niggers can you feed for 1/2 a million??
I have heard of the NHS. My mother worked for the NHS for a decade to try to make it better.
My father moved to France instead, got his healthcare there, and that worked out much better.
Not all single-payer is created equal, nor are all health policies created equal. What is shown in study after study however is that equal access healthcare is the most efficient and effective distribution of emergency and preventative services, and you do that with 100% insurance coverage. Whether you use Switzerland's model or Sweden's model is up to you.
I'm just saying you get raped on taxes even in the US. I don't like government healthcare but then I've always had a job that offered insurance. Even working in a fucking gas station as a teenager I could get nice insurance. I know for people who can't/don't that shit sucks but I don't see the government making that shit any better. They just need to reform the fuck out of all things medical so it doesn't cost 16 thousand dollars just to have a testicle removed.
>>718483575 I never once used the term "welfare cheat" you imbecile. I'm talking about incentivizing people to not work. Two completely different ballparks.
>for every 10 people popping out kids for cash, there's 1,000 working shitty jobs try to make ends meet
I would absolutely love for you to back up this outrageous claim with some sort of citation but I already know it doesn't exist.
All you liberals know how to do is throw around extremes a "$2,000,000 missle" vs. "oh just a few hundred bucks at the hospital."
Tell me, hotshot, when's the last time the military had to fire off one of those $2,000,000 "one-shot missles" (you don't even have a fucking proper name for whatever munition you're talking about so i'm sure you don't have a clue. Now, what would you guess the cost from your average ghetto is when Shaniqua and friends (x100,000) going to the hospital once a year to pop out another kid?
Tell me the last time the military even fired off a multi-million dollar missle in the past 5 years. Basic artillery does not cost millions per shell and it's used more than any other battlefield ballistic aside from mortars.
Take your hippie bullshit elsewhere because you're definitely not ready for this adult conversation.
>>718484643 I didn't say that. I wasn't trying to be edgy. I'm saying they are fucking expensive. People flip out about some niggers getting 350$ a month on their EBT and it's such a pathetic amount compared to what it takes to keep a single old fuck alive for a few years.
>>718467739 >seeing a doctor costs $12 >getting surgery costs another $12 >any health care requirements during a whole year total a maximum of $140 >any costs beyond that are paid by the state God I love socialism.
>>718484994 I love how you dipshits keep trying so hard to put words in my mouth but the second i ask you for any evidence to back up your claims you go into full-on projection mode and call what I'M saying imaginary. You couldn't be bigger hypocrites if you fucking tried and it's just pathetic and obvious to everyone ITT.
or worse, not getting the COBRA application in the mail on time (you only have 30 days to re-file) and then being completely fucked on your existing medical problems.
All I can say is thank god I moved to Massachusetts. Before Obamacare it had Romneycare, which was 100% identical, so depending on what gets stripped with Obamacare MA should have the system in place still to take up the slack.
>>718485507 No you're just name-calling because you can't substantiate your claims and you didn't expect someone to call you on your bullshit. It's okay though, kid. Keep trying to save face, no one noticed, really. Keep pretending to be someone else.
I think no free healthcare in murica would be good because it would essentially be eugenics for poor people, and its been proven that poor people, on average, have a lower iq. Therefore, by not having free healthcare, we raise muricas average iq.
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