>>718452955 Yep. I work full time and pay into my insurance out of my paycheck. It comes out to about 40 dollars a month but it's worth it. I broke my arm in a car accident last year and it was covered 100%.
>if I die now, my relatives will have to pay approx 7000 - 8000 euros in all kinds of mandatory shit
>I make about 500 euros per month, wich is more than 600 euros BELOW the absolute poverty line >i sutdy >I also work >I cannot earn more than 900 euros per month or I lose all student benefits wich mean I either have to quit school and go to work full time, or take up crippling debts that will linger with me for 20 to 25 years >I am a student in northern europe >I HAVE TO live beneath the absolute poverty limit when Im a student, thats the rule in my country >in my country there is a law that students have to be poor if your parents arent super rich.OR to get into debtslavery >mfw
>>718454790 Not to mention that they seem to believe that those who are on welfare problems have never played taxes into the system. The tax money for social security by these people are probably paying for social security for their parents.
My insurance went from $200 per month to $800 for some shitty Obama care coverage just because the insurance companies started taking a bath because they had to cover every piece of shit lowlife in the country...affordable health care is an oxymoron if you work for a living in the US
Don't need health insurance. Don't want health insurance. Haven't had even with Oniggercare. Haven't heard a peep from the government. I get paid cash under the table because I work for my best friend and he knows why I'm like this. When anyone comes knocking he just tells them I'm an immigrant waiting for my VISA to check out, and until then he's paying me upfront. This has been going on for 12 years.
We've been best friends for what seems an enternity and prior to working for him we've had many discussions over beers and burgers over why the past decade and this impending decade of authoritarian government should be stymied at every turn. He was a fucking socialist bootlicker. Now he's wised up to the reality that whats good for the group isn't good always good for the individual and you as a united states citizen should have an option to go it alone at your own peril, and I'm proof of that. Surviving and then some. And it goes without saying I am grateful for my friend because without him I would actually have to go out and work somewhere saying hey I'm an illegal immigrant, please pay me off the payroll. Rather hard to convince someone of that when you're white, speak english, and have no accent whatsoever.
One more thing. Taxation is theft. It's the whole reason why I don't partake in Ofaggotcare. It's the whole reason I don't partake in any sort of social obligation period. If you can take care of yourself, you're taking care of enough.
You realize taxpayers get cents on the dollars they pay be it from state or federal government? That the majority of the "services" they have at their disposal are mediocre and could be better run from the private sector FOR LESS.
Nothing from the top down is worth paying for you stupid faggot. And if the government isn't willing to peacefully muster the citizens to operate those services voluntarily themselves, then the government should board up it's windows and leave life's hard left turns to the only strong men left.
Both of those things have happened, and my solution was this. Are you ready?
Don't be a little bitch, and man the fuck up.
I slipped and fell on the job last year. Sliced my arm up trying to grab for something. Put a couple packets of triple antibiotic on it. Wrapped it up in a spare shirt. Get the fuck back to work. It's simple.
And I got hit during last years snow storm too. Wasn't willing to drive. Walked to the store for some beers. Got the beer. Walking back. F150 loses control and swipes me off the sidewalk into a fence. Fence was fucked. I was fine because I had layered up. Couple bruises formed later but I've had worse. Guy paid me $500 to not call the cops. I took the money, and didn't call the cops. Wasn't planning on it. Fuck the cops. I handle all my civil matters with the rights given to me by the constitution. All I need.
>>718455817 Your own? What about preexisting conditions.....what a bad idea that was......insurance couldnt drop you once you developed costly illnesses.....hmmmmm i cant believe that nignog obbummer got rid of that.....
We'll, we will be back to being owned by private interests in no time.
>>718458489 Damn, sounds like you guys are still stuck in the middle ages. "Fuck all that progress and modern health care, I'll just treat myself somehow and hope my arm doesn't die off." Sure, you can do that but getting medical treatment should be such a normal thing nowadays that you shouldn't even have to think about treating any more serious injury yourself.
Oh well, the American's rights also entail the right to die from stupidity and to not care for yourself properly.
>>718459387 Yeah legislating these things so they dont abuse their "customers" is not a bad thing to do. Plus insurance companies have seen NOTHING BUT profit in the ACA era so the problem is one that is just called the nigger did it and we are NOT going to like it.....no matter the benefits it brings.
>>718459637 you do realize you can go to the hospital and they have to treat you by law? >but the bill! funfact, you dont have to pay it. you can claim hardship and the hospital writes it off as a tax loss.
>>718458327 You got a better solution? The health care system in the modern world, which doesn't seem to include the US, works because you're more likely to need health care when you don't have the money for it. But of course everyone only likes to think of themselves so if I have the money I sure won't give some of it to anyone else and when I don't I'll whine about why we don't have free healthcare.
I drink on occasion. But that was a good try to present a hypothetical situation that I already control. Has it occured to you that if I'm so inclined to control certain aspects of the governments influence on my life, that I'm also inclined to control EVERY aspect of my life?
heh, keep trying though. you establishment cucks make me laugh.
>>718459637 You're implying I don't have thousands in my savings account to take care of any major illnesses. I've been doing this for over a decade. I'm far better off than you, and I don't even have someone sticking their hands in my pockets every month to be better off. Remarkable huh?
You're missing the part where there are various companies and various plans to avoid such abuse. It's called a free market, and the government only works to infringe upon it to partake in monopolizing and getting a piece in the name of helping you. Try again.
It just so happens that the fucking idiots that believe this, speak too much and too loudly, and listen very little. With the result that they never learn anything. They bring down the country in the name of the country without even realizing it. It is sickening.
For the first time in ages my employers health insurance has had 100% coverage in labs and most things, and it is very fairly priced.....those 300% increases were total bullshit. Go ahead take that away and let the insurance companies run freely in their market......i cant see that going wrong......except banks pretty much ran free all along and caused a world wide fucking recession with their greed.
These companies in the name of their shareholders will do ANYTHING to increase fucking profit, which is why they used to fuck over people with preexisting conditions and could drop you if they so fucking wished as well when you developed a serious illness.
I cant wait until the shareholders are all fucking ill, to the point that they have to sell stock to pay for their treatment because their own investment fails to cover them.
>>718460157 I'm implying that you'd be crying like a little bitch when you get robbed blind by your medical industry. I heard cancer treatment is rather expensive, and that it's the leading cause of death in the US
Implying I'm not entirely healthy. Implying I'm not ready to die at a moments notice. Implying upon noticing definite signs of cancer I don't just drop everything I'm doing and take my thousands to live it up in until death.
>>718460791 Retard even if you claim hardship if they sell your debt instead of writing it off to a third party collection agency, you are in for a ride for a looooong time
I like how these fucks are against the government in their pocket because muh rights and its expensive and people abuse it ...... yet they are the ones abusing it BY FUCKING OVER THE HOSPITALS THAT WOULD HAVE GOTTEN PAID HAD YOU HAD INSURANCE
Yes, I've planned my future accordingly and have a great job with too tier benefits. Why? Because I'm not some sperglord who leeches off his parents and/or government and actually made something of myself. You can too, it's not too late. You useless fucking retards.
>>718460867 Really nigger of course not but actually LOOK AT WHAT THE BANKS WERE DOING, they were also pretty much making up investment products and selling shit left and right. I didnt lose my fucking house because I'm responsible BUT the banks were corrupt and greedy (and still are) why do you guys not see this shit
>>718452955 dawg, nobody who can't afford health insurance can afford the aca anyway Shits straight up robbery that has led to increased medical costs, closing hospitals and increased insurance costs from actual companies It's like you took the worst aspects of private and public healthcare and threw em together in one massive clusterfuck
>>718460867 For example when we bailed out these fucking banks.....they then WOULD NOT LEND to anyone......where is your argument then? They didnt believe in personal accountability enough to help small businesses restart the economy....because it wasnt IN THEIR INTEREST
Fraud and "PREDATORY LENDING" was profitable until it wasnt......then daddy daddy Uncle Sammy whom you all hate so much had to come-a-running to save these motherfuckers
>>718461290 These were OTHER BANKS SELLING PRODUCTS AND BUYING PRODUCTS FROM THEMSELVES BUDDY
Like when you buy a car and your loan is with toyota and all of a sudden some dingaling finance company sends you a letter saying now THEY own the loan and you pay them. Similar thing.
Read a bit. I'm not some crazy fucking hippy, I'm all for capitalism but see where the flaws can have disastrous consequences. These things they were doing were outright criminal and almost killed the world economy for good, we had to bail their asses out.
>>718461703 >Like when you buy a car and your loan is with toyota and all of a sudden some dingaling finance company sends you a letter saying now THEY own the loan and you pay them. Similar thing.
so in other words the debt got sold? and people couldn't afford to pay for their bills? sounds like something my mother did. she bought a 32k car while she only makes about $250 a week. dont buy something you cant pay for, and dobt blame the bank because toyota sold you down the river.
Bank b says to bank a, hey i want to buy all yer riskier loans at a reduced price (this slightly mitigates the risk to bank a by getting a giant payment for the loans sold which they thought WOULD default). So bank B now owns the loans that will probably default IN THE HOPES that they wouldnt default because that would mean they would get more back than what they paid for.
Weeeeeeell they didnt......and your glorious institutions that you are vehemently justifying and protecting ARE THE ONES THAT WROTE CHECKS THEY COULDNT CASH by doing stupid shit like that.
>>718462980 And for some such as myself who got lucky, this year coverage went up considerably compared to anything I've ever had before (even when i paid more) compared to my mother who has been working her job for 17 fucking years and has had the same insurance over those 17 years and the record is the following
Every year her cost goes up and her benefits go down......cant really blame obummercare for that one because the MOST significant increases in price and loss of coverage happened before the aca. But it is sad that a giant company who she works for has shittier insurance than my employer who is a small business with insurance through the aca marketplace. I think cigna has continued to milk it for those 17 years no matter what
>>718470544 Hey leaf. American here. I buy most of my needed drugs from you guys. Customs rarely intervenes. My psych meds cost half as much from there, and I don't have to see a doctor for what I know I need. I'd move there if I had a skill tour country was short on. Thanks.
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