So the guy on the left (stepfather) raped a daughter of the man on the right since she was only 4 years old up to her 8th birthday. He got only 5 years and got out in 2. The man on the right killed him and he got 40 years in prison for a 1st degree murder. It's all good, I understand that the law and justice are two different things, but is there a way to make judges free people in these cases? Can people do anything about it?
>>718430085 While i do feel the now deceased rapist got a ridiculous lenient sentence no judge is going to go easy on vigilante justice after a man has served his sentence, it sets a precedent to undermime the law and impose your own justice and no legal system in the world is going to allow that
>>718430085 dude should have just paid some niggers to do it, they get some 'skrillah' as they call it and eventually get to go back to the womb (prison) around about after they finish spending the money on 'crack co-caine' and 'marij - huana'.
>>718430085 Because society does not accept vigilante law, there would be utter chaos if we did. The man on the left was found, arrested, charged and jailed for his crime by officials representing the public. The man on the right cut and dry committed preemptive, planed murder of a man the state would claim served his debt to society. Revenge killings if left unchecked would quickly spiral out of control if any hint of it being acceptable was shown, and it would probably lead to mostly innocent people who slighted a maniac who thinks the law would bend for him.
>>718430512 thus increminating himself ? Fuck man should have covered his tracks a little better, thats the problem with 'murica, youre all toting guns an 'yee hawww', you dont think things through, fuck man if I was so inclined in a similar circumstance and be like teflon..
>>718431043 But in this case, the rapist didn't only raped the girl, he literally destroyed her whole life? Do you think she'll ever be able to function in society like a healthy person would? A life for a life and an eye for an eye this is if you ask me.
>>718431149 Not the guy you were replying to, but with the proper help and therapy, they can live close to normal lives. They will always be affected somehow, but many victims of this crime have gone on to have full and productive lives.
>>718431152 Well you can't shoot a cunt for stealing your tv, unless you shoot him during the commission of the crime, and even then, only if you live in a state with castle laws.
It would've been fine if he caught the guy during the commission of the rape and killed him, but going after him for revenge because he disagreed with society's punishment is sociopathic behavior, even if society is full of shit.
>>718431232 I was playing devils advocate. A dead person can't feel anything, so the sentence is based on how much it detrimentally influences loved ones and potential work that benefits society. In a rape case it's based on how it affected the victim. I'd posit that a rape victim is more affected by the incidence after the fact than a murder victim is.
>>718431388 "hell of a thing killing a man, take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have"
A rape victim can move on, no matter how traumatising an incident is you can always move on with your life if your will to live is strong enough, no will is strong enough to overcome death, no punishment makes up for what a person could have done in there lives or the emptyness felt by the friends and family.
>>718431977 >if your will to live is strong enough That is the key sentence. Some people are not strong enough and things like this is devastating for them. She said that that only now she can wake up in the morning without fear.
>>718432139 because her dad is a pussy who did not instill strength in his daughter also she should wake up in fear, the step father is not the only rapist out there the only time she shouldn't wake up in fear is when her father has taught her to be stronger than the world around her
>>718432139 I suppose on one hand if the victim is no long alive the victim can't suffer anymore. Rape is a horrible thing for a person to suffer i agree, but never will i accept the notion that it's worse than murdering someone. There are a few things that come to mind that could be worse than being killed but forced sex isn't one of them.
>>718430085 Well, the American justice system is highly fucked. If you get a lenient judge, and most importantly have a lawyer that's friends with that judge (usually the high powered local lawyers are friends with the judge and prosecutor, so special "arrangements" for your case can be negotiated over drinks and golf with judge/prosecutor), you'll get an easier sentencing.
This creates a system where people with money can hire the politically connected lawyers in their area and get off with a few months when people typically get years for the same thing.
Former Republican Speaker of the House raped so many boys he lost count when he was a gym teacher and wrestling coach.... he literally didn't remember most of the victims. I think he got 6 months total. Not even in a jail/prison but in some type of secured hospital.
That's the difference money, political connections, and the right lawyers make.
Expensive lawyers aren't typically expensive because they can argue your case so well. They're expensive because they're friends with the judges and prosecutors and have far more power to negotiate special terms with them....
>>718433010 >fucking child I know that's what you to like to defend. Maybe you should never have kids.
>>718433075 Because you think the acceptable reaction to telling children that have been molested is "lol, you'll live".
>>718433142 There would be trials. If there is undeniable evidence the pedo did it they deserve death. Pedos can't be redeemed. And yes, now that you mention it, if the parent wants to be the one to do the execution, the court should allow that.
>>718430085 What people should ask themselves is "If this happened to your own baby daughter, what would you do?" My answer is I would shoot the bastard and assume the consequences. Anyway I'd be a hero in the slammer. Anybody who would not take revenge is a pussy.
What the child molester did is worse than killing her, she will suffer all her life for the abuse, the judge is a criminal himself for giving such a light sentence and allowing this bastard to go free after 2 years. Luckily that's what allowed him to be shot by the father of the victim.
>>718430085 Killing someone is worse than raping someone. At least the victim still has a chance to live on with their life. The man was in the wrong for killing him. If your logic was executed, I can kill Kanye because he is annoying and disrespectful nigger and expect to be free from any wrongdoings.
People who kill people have to be ready to be killed, he wanted true justice, he got vengeance, the price was his freedom; Changing the laws just because we all know his actions were justified is still a slippery slope to the degradation of societies values. A Pedo was killed, the killer separated from society, changing the outcome is either cheating him of the consequences of his actions or an attempt to subvert the law and values we base those laws on.
>>718434565 >oh no a child rapist was killed! Isn't this horrible everybody? Kill yourself. I hope you never have children because retards like you don't deserve someone who'd let a rapist get away with what they did to them.
If the dude on the left only got 5 years, and then served 2 then there was most likely no compelling evidence against him, and he simply took a plea bargain because the simple accusation of rape or pedophilia can get you put in jail for a very long time regardless of the evidence against you.
>>718434657 I hope you receive the education you need. I can sleep well knowing that if your children were to experience something as tramatic as rape, you wouldn't be around much longer to make life worse for them
>>718434943 >I hope you receive the education you need. Keep rpojection. the only one in need of education are retards like you who have even an once of sympathy for these sick fucks. Never have children, for their sakes.
>>718434943 >I can sleep well knowing that if your children were to experience something as tramatic as rape, you wouldn't be around much longer to make life worse for them Kill yourself. I mean it. No-one would care. Evn your parents would get over it soon if you left the note informing them that you defend child rapists.
And no, faggot, if a child of mine ever got raped, I would make life better for them by ensuring the person responsible will enver hurt them again. Go to hell.
We can't punish criminals on how badly the crime might affect the life of the victim.
No doubt what happend is going to fuck her up, but there is nothing to say that a crime that you consider lesser, such as theft, won't damage the life of that victim twice as much, theres no way to measure that shit
>>718435177 That wouldn't make life better the act still happened and now one of her parents is in prison getting butt raped for life. Congratulations you've given them a better life, probably in state custody where they might get a rapist adoptive parents. Your game ends here, start over?
>>718434811 >Oh no someone stuck something in my butt >I wish I were dead!!11!1!
Actual rape victim here. Get the fuck over it, it's really not that big of a deal. Whenever I hear some girl having a mental breakdown because she was "raped" when in reality she was just shit faced at a party like an irresponsible child, I want to punch them in the mouth.
>>718434822 I made no judgement on the way you should treat the guy who killed the pedo. I'm saying PEOPLE HAVE RULES so expect to be treated appropriately when others find out you've violated their laws.
I wouldn't lock up or harm the guy protecting his daughter, but I'm not gonna get worked up and indignant when i see him getting a shitty deal over taking liberties he has no right to when he kills someone.
Murder is fine, as long as your gonna be treated the same way as i would for murder, that's like the core of fairness.
>>718435229 And that's even other pedos. Lots of pedos are still killed in prison despite the fact that pedos are kept in separate populations. The 16 year old statutory rapists are really down on the 4 year old enslavers
>>718435321 >and now one of her parents is in prison getting butt raped for life. A lot of prisoners tend to have no sympathy for child molestors. They'd probably have more respect than disrespect for someone who killed one.
Also you're ruling out the lawyer just saying the father wasn't in a stable set of mind at the time.
>probably in state custody where they might get a rapist adoptive parents. Family members first, retard. I'd make relatives their godparents, so if anything happened to me they'd still be with family and people they can trusts.
>>718435412 >Where does this idea come from? http://elitedaily.com/news/world/brazilian-man-raped-killed-1-year-old-baby-gets-gang-raped-20-prisoners/ https://thetfp.com/tfp/general-discussion/110083-child-molester-murderer-gets-forcibly-tattooed-victims-name-forehead.html http://www.businessinsider.com/sex-offenders-are-being-killed-off-in-california-prisons-2015-2?IR=T
>>718436000 Oh no, someone stuck their cock inside one of your holes. Now I am going to have a sore vagina for a week, oh the humanity!
There are people who are beaten within an inch of their life every day and go through so much more suffering, yet they don't get anywhere near the amount of sympathy as someone like me would if I cry and whined like the rest of them.
>>718435668 >so what about the guy who mugs your daughter? He should be found guilty and spend some time in jail. If found innocent somehow I'd be sure to inform everybody about him being a thief. Hopefully it will alienate anyone who knows him, like his employer.
>>718435057 They may be bad people but most of them still would say fucking a kid is wrong. Not to mention they usually tend to kill child molesters in prison, or at least make life hell for them. If they find out anyway. Which that bus ride in? They say what you're there for. As you walk in. By name. Off their little list. And some of those fuckers have been there before. Some haven't. Some know people inside already. Some don't. Some won't care you fucked a kid. But then every now and then there's one who does. And if they're already in for life, why should they care? They'll kill you in your cell just because they feel like it. And you know what? That shit happens. Nobody will care. Life will go on. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>>718434924 >>718435601 Also, Transgressions against laws should be seen as willfully forgoing your protections provided by those laws, revoking protection proportional to the offense done or liberties taken.
So yeah, in a sense, if you're a vigilante it's hypocrisy to expect that another vigilante shouldn't be as justified in killing you as you are in killing anyone else.
kinda just saying law should protect your freedom, and when you encroach on the freedom of others justice is the reciprocal encroachment on your freedoms. Sort of a "nothings true, everything's permitted" except what the majority says truth and consequences are.
>>718431043 No - I think it should be around the same to be honest, rape is the murder of innocence which has the potential to create someone who will kill another person's innocence or drive them to kill themselves later in life, granted this isn't always the case and that's a HUGE leap of logic, but it's happened before it will happen again, Pedophiles should be killed or chemically castrated.
>>718431149 No in this case the father shouldn't have killed him regardless, now he'll never be able to watch his little girl grow up, he won't be able to be there when she needs him and even worse he will probably die in prison before she grows up.
Don't get me wrong I would have done it as well but I'm looking at this from the most neutral point of view possible.
my step dad touched me when i was a kid but didn't rape me, he just used to grope me and shit. that's how the world is and that's how lots of men are, you just grow up and accept it. only if you think you're some sort of special snowflake will you be traumatised enough by someone literally touching you that you think they should actually have their entire existence and life extinguished and not just be sent to therapy and jail for a little while.
the dad is a dumbass for destroying his own life aswell as taking someone elses just because a vagina was rubbed
>>718435887 >How the fuck did a child rapist get out of prison after 2 years? People there are people in the "justice" system have the same views as the retards in this thread. They all deserve to be thrown in jail with the scum they defend so much.
>>718430549 You're right. There are no excuses for breaking the law. As a mini-thought exercise in recursive logic, ask yourself why the child rapst should have to follow the law if the vigilante father didn't.
>>718436437 I'm not saying rape is a fun experience by any means. I'm just saying that the emotional fucking breakdowns people have over it are so infantile, to say that you are mentally scarred for the rest of your life because of it just makes you a weak person.
>Please get raped daily.
Someone sounds a little triggered that I de-legitimized their victim status. Also instead of being a perpetual victim like other rape "victims", I signed up for a concealed weapons permit the day I turned 21.
I am on my own. I have a rambo knife a firearm and a nightvision. I wander through the states. Im looking for hot fems in remote places sometimes suburbs aswell. I wanna rape and murder the people who live there. I have AIDS hepatitis syphillis herpes and much more to pass it onto your mom/wife/sister/cousin/daughter. And i will not hesitate. Soon to be inyour state aswell!!
>>718436116 Come on now, it is fair, that doesn't mean it's right... if you own a farm and provide for your family while everyone else around you starves, that's fair, it's your farm, your work, your family; but that doesn't make it right.
And I likely will be murdered some day for speaking my mind if people like you, as a majority, decide it's okay to execute people for thought crime.
Call me a moron if it'll make yourself feel better, I'll praise kek and continue vomiting my opinions when they don't matter, freedom is the right to be stupid.
>I signed up for a concealed weapons permit the day I turned 21. >lol this father deserved jail for killing his daughter's rapist >but I'm gonna carry a gun to shoot someone who tries to rape me again even though rape doesn't affect me You are mentally deficient.
>>718436536 Hey, sorry this happened to you. It's great that you overcame it. I believe, like you that child's lives aren'tnecessarily ruined by assaults like these, but I couldn't disagree more with your point that this is "just theway it is." Molesting someone you were trusted to care for should be a crime. If you think about it, it really is despicable.
>>718436832 >lol this father deserved jail for killing his daughter's rapist
When did I ever say that? You're literally putting words in my mouth now. My original post was a reply to someone saying they'd rather die than be raped.
>rape doesn't affect me
Once again you're putting words in my mouth again. Rape is not fun, it's a shitty experience. However, it is not a mentally traumatic experience that should forever scar you as an individual. You must be pretty desperate to literally fabricate arguments I never made to have something to retort.
>>718436717 Imagine a child only 4 years old. Now imagine old piece of shit raping her and what she must have felt like while he was doing that to her and what pain, mental and physical, she must had. Now imagine the fear that kid felt also. The same fear she was going through every time she was awake and every time she had nightmares for years. Now imagine her trauma when she heard he got out after only 2 years in prison. Now imagine that was your daughter you love the most in the whole wide world and imagine you have to listen to her while she's telling you how scared she is. And after all this, you're telling me you would not kill that bastard?
>>718436536 >my step dad touched me when i was a kid but didn't rape me, he just used to grope me and shit. that's how the world is and that's how lots of men are, you just grow up and accept it. Holy shit, this was what being molested does to you folks. It conditions you to what has happened and makes you think it's okay. It's no coincidence a lot of pedos were molested themselves when they were younger.
since the "justice" system doesnt represent the people, expect shit like this to keep happening. i think everyone can agree that we all think the father was justified yet the state doesnt. and neither do pedo faggot scum. should tell ya a lot.
>>718436686 >As a mini-thought exercise in recursive logic, ask yourself why the child rapst should have to follow the law if the vigilante father didn't. Have you ever asked yourself why you're retarded?
>>718437037 Do you even remember anything from when you were 4 years old?
I am by no means defend child rape. But lets be real here, the only mental scaring that child is going to get is the constant victim status they're going to get for the rest of their life, and it's going to give that child something to latch onto to compensate for being a shitty person.
>>718436814 >And I likely will be murdered some day for speaking my mind if people like you, as a majority, decide it's okay to execute people for defending the people who enable child rapists You'd deserve it.
>>718436686 Mini being defined as little or small.. I'll try your " little thought experiment" It would appear you put very little thought into your argument. Only If A then B Shit bag does A Then pissed of father does B If no A then no B
>An Alabama man who pleaded guilty to murdering his daughter's sexual abuser accepted a 40-year prison sentence to protect the woman from having to testify at trial.
"Basically he took it so that I didn't have to relive the molestation and also be on the stand in front of a bunch of people talking about and bringing back memories of the molestation," said Julia Maynor, of Cullman. "My father was protecting me, like a father should do. He is an amazing father -- actually the best. He loves us so much."
>>718437158 You stupid son of a bitch. Kids have memory from way earlier age than that and especially if those were traumatic experiences. Also, the raping lasted for 4 years up until she was 8. Just Fuck off.
hate to break it to you but reality is very different from your blinkered little world view, captain tumblr
men grope and men rape and men fuck, from the mountains of west virginia to the ghettos of somalia. it's a fact of life and has been since long before the evolution of modern man.
you either accept that as science or you pretend that the world is a happy fuzzy place where that could and should never happen because we're all so entitled to our human rights and blah blah bullshit. snap back to reality. shit happens, get used to it, grow up.
if this case had happened in half the countries in the world, the real dad would have demanded a fucking cow as payment for groping his daughter.
>>718437442 Wow here is true dictator. You're so delusional you're implying the man's intention is child rape? How sick can you be? Is that your fantasy? Are you a child and cannot accept other peoples opinion?
>>>718437541 I feel bad for you. Molested by someone who should have protected him, and growing up to be a pathetic fuck who tries to downplay kids being raped and tells them to get over it just because you've been brainwashed to see it as a minor annoyance.
>>718437158 Well that might be true. Depends how it's done. If it's done rough and scary and causes them pain, the early brain definitely ones deal with trauma in long-term protective and socially and mentally damaging ways. But if done sweetly, and slowly, and not weird, but like, "ok, time to check your temperature, get up on all fours..." and "this time we got a new thermometer, it's bigger, but it's softer, so I'll be gentle and work it in slowly with this lube here, might take a few extra minutes but then you can go back outside and play with your friends again ok sweetie...". Then conceivably no trauma would occur.
>>718437948 Well frankly, girls are known to be sexually mature and fertile at the young age of 8. You guys tell me if that's evolution or present day hormones and media making them release estrogen earlier.
>>718437850 >If being a stronger person You're not strong. You're a cowardly doormat who downplays rape because you think it was okay your Dad molested you. You are scum. A sociopath. You are the type who will likely molest kids in the future. Drink cyanide.
>>718436686 "The golden rule" should answer the part about why people should follow the law, you want others to follow those laws.
beside that he probably knew the consequence for murder so I'd say he is following the law if he submits to police and serves his sentence after the murder. but beyond that, Why should the pedo follow the law if the punishment is lenient enough for him to practically move on with his life afterward if he isn't murdered. If the consequences aren't enough to deter people from incurring them than does it make sense to fix this by allowing people to take the law into their hands or as a society agree to more severe punishments for specific crimes? Just saying, that thought experiment is dumb and near-pointless... The vigilante might be protecting society if his target is a legitimate unredeemable threat to others, and society would still have a responsibility to punish the vigilante for protecting them.
>>718438199 Well pedo or not I believe in the justice system. If there is no justice system then there would be war and conflict everywhere. The dad killing the pedo thought that it was like old time where law were not present and justice was yours to make. Nope, reality check. Now when she grows up and is molested by her new father because her father was not around to take care of her, she's really going to become the whore her dad saw in her mother. Real talk.
>>718438129 I'm feel sorry for you. Your father turned what could have been an intelligent member of society into a disgusting mess of a man who thinks a little girl who was raped over the course of four years should just shake it off like it was nothing.
This is what pedophilia does, folks. If it doesn't have a noticeable effect on you it leaves you dead inside like this guy instead
I bet you didn't even report your father to the authorities, did you?.
>>718437630 Science is understanding the universe through observation, logic, and experiments using a scientific method based on those tools.
The "science" of human behaviors that guy was bringing up is either sociology or psychology depending on how your talking about it; And that means people either conform their theory to reflect observable reality or we allow idiots to fabricate delusions and inflict those on future students who'll learn to love their personal hug-box of unoffensive ideas.
>>718438525 Mostly not possible in the US, because as soon as a pedo would tell a therapist that he is into kids he would be put on the sex offenders registry. Also it is not even clear if it really is a mental illnes, it was just made one like homosexuality back in the days.
>>718438395 >I believe in the justice system You believe the justice system exists? Or in some vague, foggy notion that one action can actually justify another, which Plato already laid waste to 2500 years ago in "Republic", to which no one has ever come up with a viable counter argument? If you actually believe "in" justice system, then please explain to the world the ethics of how it works.
Justice in the system of the 1700s British Empire & modern day USA is proportionate revenge, and that is all it attempts to do. It does not make injustices just.
>>718438605 Trannies are mentally-ill, yes. They should have never been pandered to, and society will improve when we finally research and develop the cure and stop letting these delusionals force society to pander to them.
Being gay doesn't hurt others. As long as they are in a relationship with another consenting adult it doesn't effect you.
>>718438747 >or we allow idiots to fabricate delusions and inflict those on future students who'll learn to love their personal hug-box of unoffensive ideas. Like all the pedo-defenders in this thread.
>>718438656 >I lived this thing happening to me as I did, and altough the girl in question was way before sexual developement, was abused and exposed repeatedly to a person of authority over her, my experience should be equated to hers
>>718438758 >Also it is not even clear if it really is a mental illnes, it was just made one like homosexuality back in the days. >defending pedos >pretending they aren't mentally ill >comparing them to gays Holy hell, stop posting.
>>718436963 When did I say I disagree that the pedos murder was justified? when have I defended anything other than my sense of righteousness? In what way has my logic justified anything other that the killing of the pedo and isolation of the vengeful father from society?
Telling people to kill themselves seems to be the first response to anything controversial, even if the opinions presented aren't
Tell me why/how I'm apologizing for or justifying pedo behavior, or contribute some point that doesn't make you look like you have nothing to say, please. I'll be the polite faggot in any thread, troll me, insult me, have fun inflating your ego straw-manning me, I'll still be waiting for something relevant to my statements.
>>718439009 No shit Sherlock, there is that possibility, we've all read the fucking article. What do you want a cookie for reading a thing and repeating it?
The more interesting thing you said was you "believe in" a justice system, which, like all real things, it were real, wouldn't require your belief "in" it. And it isn't real, and that's been illustrated and demonstrated for 2500 years to anyone taking an interest in it.
Yet you put belief "in" it. Might as well click your heels together three times and wish to be swept away to a magical place.
>>718439415 >assuming those fighting for true justice are pedo defenders I guess Ted Bundy's lawyers were killers too because they fought for justice. Did they win? No. They did go against the justice system for him. Yes but he was found guilty and he served his penalty which was death.
>>718439644 That's right, goy, our completely unbiased researchers have conveniently found that homosexuality is completely normal; you should be happy to be so enlightened. Oh and we also found that being white, male, straight, traditional in any way, Christian or a good parent is the root of all societies problems.
>>718430085 Can anyone explain to me why some people get 40 years in prison for murder, others get 25, I've seen cases in which a person gets even 5 years...This depends on country? Isn't 40 years too much for an old guy and 1st degree murder?
>>718439885 >Ignorant of an entire branch of science. >if I don't know about it, it doesn't exist >and I can't be bothered to look anything up on my own either. >others are responsible for my ignorance >it's the rest of the world, not me lol
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