>>717783053 It's safe very safe for me. I have a friend who's been doing it for a year. He orders stuff online for people and it gets sent to their house. Packaging is super discrete. I've ordered a bunch of stuff like mushrooms, acid, molly, dmt, weed, and cocaine and its been a success every time. I was extremely unsure about it the first time
>>717783929 They do, but a lot of the drugs are really hard to detect. They package them well because it's very professional. I received a bunch of acid in a resealed potato chip bag. The do deceptive stuff like that too. Like I said, I've ordered a bunch of times.
Friend you are either trolling or very, very stupid. Personally I hope it is both.
Open Wikipedia, Google federal warrants and maybe the Postal Act and later laws passed that added to it. Probable cause only gets an officer so far. There is a reason the fucking cartels use the US postal service to smuggle small amounts.
u wot? Probable cause can allow for a warrantless arrest. You can do whatever you want with probable cause. In any case, a warrant (granted if probable cause is found, retard) is a joke anyway. The officer calls up a judge, explains what the deal is and a warrant is issued. It's not a real barrier to search.
Your friend is retarded for ordering it through the mail and he's even more retarded for telling everyone about it.
Here's what you do. Assuming you're near a body of water with a marina or yacht club.
Go buy a black wetsuit, gloves, mask, etc and awaterproof dive bag. Then learn how to swim faggot. Then practice how to swim slowly and quietly. Scope out the marina or docks for a couple days, keep your phone with you and half ass play Pokémon go or some shit. But be watching who lives on their boats and what ones sit empty.
You can probably tell where this is going. Ideally you want boats people either A:live on, or B: are on the higher end. Go out at night and find somewhere a good distance away to get in the water and head for the pre determined marks.
Now you're not looking for jewelery or cash or whatever. Nobody keeps that shit on their boats unless it's a house boat they live in. What your looking for is CB radios, gps units, navigation, anything smaller and electronic. All of these units run anywhere from a hundred bucks to a couple grand depending on where you are, and guess what? Most these units are secured with a couple wing nuts a clip in connectors. 30 seconds tops to remove and throw in your dive bag.
Now GTFO. You only want to be on each boat for 3 mins tops each, and not hitting more than 3-5 boats. Get your lowlife ass back in the water and go back to your car, bike whatever. So now you have a bunch of Marine elections. DON'T GO TO THE FIRST PAWN SHOP AND SELL THEM TWO DAYS LATER. this is how you get caught. (I can elaborate on that later)
You hold on to all those units for a minimum of one month and before you go resell them you don't do it in your town you go at least one to two towns over. Yeah you do lose some money and travel and holding on to the pieces but you make it back in safety and not being a total retard and getting thrown in jail like I did
Probable cause allows searches of literally everything. It's the entire basis of our law enforcement system. There is an entire law enforcement agency within USPS who does nothing but catch degenerates like you.
I mean, for fucks sake, do you think the mail exists in some sort of legal vacuum? It's liable to the same search laws as everything else. Stop pretending to be a law student when you're just a degenerate lmfao420 retard.
>>717785640 I see your point, and trust me it does make sense, but there are somethings that can actually be justified by probable cause. Say perhaps (HYPOTHETICAL) that a police officer heard someone mailing a large shipment of drugs, due to someone saying it without actual proof, and the office goes through the mail, its illegal. But lets say this is a package that leaked or a police officer is stopping someone trying mail something who is a drug dealer. Reasonable suspicion and probable cause would allow him to search the surrounding area for evidence and the letter being that evidence. The likeliness of this happening is a billion to one but it can happen so probable can be a reason but it has to be backed up with a fucking good argument/reason
Welp I am done with you, clearly you are pretty god damn stupid and think probable cause covers everything. If you feel like becoming less ignorant go read on what I mentioned earlier. If not that's cool too, there are a lot of ignorant idiots out there and I doubt learning something new will help you much. >>717786132
Did you fucking miss the part in the Postal Act that covers this? Federal Postage DOES exist in a slightly different realm of law, it's why there are legal specialists on it. Why does everyone on this fucking site act like they know shit even when they are dead wrong? Is it the anonymity?
Lol you are retarded as hell if you think the USPS doesn't take federal law extremely seriously. NO rule bending at all, like even a little bit. For one it can easily end you up in prison and for two it would be inadmissible in court.
>>717786432 4. Can Postal Inspectors open mail if they feel it may contain something illegal? First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mailpiece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence, and therefore may be opened without a warrant. Also this is what he is talking about. Its true and yes it makes sense people. (https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/faq.aspx)
YES holy shit, YES the United States Postal Service DOES have different restrictions related to the law. ITS A BIG FUCKING DEAL in a lot of cases involving mail.
If you mail with Fedex or UPS then it is the same as always but with USPS it is fucking different. I know I am raging but holy shit dude, I really am a third year law student and all the chuckle fucks on here poking holes with nothing more than made up shit is tilting me.
>>717786934 Side note It doesnt say all mail, just first class packages. So anything thats not a thick package or large envelope can be searched without a warrant, but if its first class you cant legally search it.
The point is I've ordered at least 20 times and my friend has done it much more than that because he orders for people too. Been doing for a couple years and I haven't gotten in trouble or anything. Seems safe to me. Obviously there is a chance of someone getting caught, but it doesn't seem likely.
One anon has no idea what he's talking about, so he claims to be a "third year" law student while fumbling even the basics of probable cause, and the other anon can't figure out the first anon is a retard.
I'm surprised they're not posting pictures of packages on girls. Feminine packages. They're just arguing about first class and smuggling things in said packages, as naughty officers possibly search their package in illegal ways without a warrant.
>>717788360 U're mad tho. Or wait.. Umad? I can't tell but u seem determined to make ur point. Dream on, lawnon. I got ur back in the argument. Wes on 4chan and law schoologics don't mean a thang. u need to screech at people and poop out piss onto open hands that beg for food and water. only then will you be taken seriously in da cukole hivemind of bee.
>>717789153 Can you cite some sort of evidence ofthis happening as you've described? It would be pretty hard to prosecute solely based on accepting a package addressed to you. There has to be other evidence, otherwise it's officially the easiest way to (anonymously) get rid of a person you don't like. Double easy if they are already breaking some other law
>>717790235 I have someones social security, credit card numbers, email and password, drivers license number ,cellphone number and home address. This person makes over 100k a year. This info has to be worth something... anymore ideas?
Don't be that guy, just because Kelly dumped you and is Fucking jayquan
>>717790507 What's with you wanting proof? You can't take my word? Use Google. People have been arrested for it. Do you think every washing machine has its own key? Every coke machine is unique as a Lexus?
>>717791201 I break into emails pretty frequintly. I just hit the jack pot on this one. Would be nice to have a consitant secure way to sell this info I get. Maybe ill make friends with the next scammy telemarketer that calls me... lol
>>717785332 My nigga. The only thing wrong here is the whole "you getting caught" part. I used to do this every now and then when I lived in Chicago. Security at the lakeshore marinas is incredibly poor. Sometimes they kept pretty good liquor on board too, which you can either keep for yourself, or sell to minors that are willing to pay. The best thing I ever scored was an ounce of dank buds, sold half and smokes the other; shit was cash.
If you're going to do this though, you NEED to learn the area you're going to hit and scope out people's nightly routines for at least a couple weeks beforehand you try anything.
>>717793053 Even if I halved the price of my product, 3k/acre/year on 20 acres is a lot of money. It would take some a couple years to gain profit because of equipment, taxes, and other things you listed, but that doesn't sound like such a bad gig. Who knew farming brought in some sweet cash
>>717792386 Sell your pussy or male booty on the street. Start dealing weed or coke and don't get high on your own supply. The deepWeb seems good to get quality drugs for personal use but if you want to sell drugs for a profit find a real plug because it will be cheaper then ordering online. Or I don't know, you could rob a convenience store with a burner or even a dirty needle if you're like the junky scum in my city.
>>717793763 Op is on B and wants to make a quick buck. Not all of us can be the lawnon that was posting earlier, you really think op had med school in mind ? Anyways you go crazy in debt just to get a post secondary education these days. I feel like you are fucked if you do or fucked If you don't.
>>717793988 my family hasnt complained yet. albeit as a young doctor here in Denmark, i only work around 60 hours/week.
>>717794405 I finished med school 6 months ago, and i didnt pay anything myself, as i live in Denmark. I could understand how the crippling debt would inhibit a lot of people from doing it though. Thank god i dont live in America.
>>717781819 I do tarot readings on a little folding table on the street. I don't make a lot of money -- an average of $60-80 for a 14 hour day -- but it's not hard work sitting in the sun and smoking my pipe while I wait for punters. The real money is working bars. I hate working bars (they're noisy and the people are obnoxious) but I can make $200+ in a single night on a busy Saturday. And of course, all of this is tax-free.
>>717788340 nah dude, the first guy thinks cops can just fucking open mail willy nilly, the law dick said no man. you need a warrent and postal stuff is tricky. then 1 to 3 faggots freaked out about probable cause even though it has a broad as fuck definition and theyre using it wrong.
>>717781819 ive been doing a few things for a couple years to get some extra side cash.
1. if you have any disabled friends / family. go to a primary care business and start working as your disabled friend/family's care taker. all you really need to do is punch in and punch out every day. and all ur friend has to do is periodically interview with someone and say he still need help.
ive been doing this for 2 years with my uncle who lives in mexico. he comes up every few months for his interview. and i just punch in and punch out from home every day.
2. income tax. its possible to get income tax even if you dont work. all you have to do is get someone with kids to agree to help you out. when you file your taxes just file under "self employed" have you friend with kids say that she pays you to to take care of her kids maybe 400 a month or so and there you have it. free income tax.
3rd. claiming dependents. if you have family living in other countries with children that where born in the USA you can claim their kids as dependents and boost your income tax by a shit ton. all you need to do is provide proof that they live in your home. this can be done with a simple mail letter that has the address and name of the kid you are trying to claim.
good luck op, also, dont get caught doing this shit lol
A bit off topic, but reading this thread has been interesting. Is there anywhere, like a sub on Reddit or something, where we can discuss questions like this one but that stay archived to read later on?
>>717795324 and sure probable cause is the test, but whos probable cause? because alot of judges dont trust a single cops fucking judgement. and It has to be challenged again in court. you are one fuck face. also grabbing a letter with coke in it doesnt fucking hurt the sender or the buyer. just some guy is out a gram. you cant get in shit for mail that gets grabbed 1000 miles away from you. that would be retarded as fuck
>>717797904 im not the same fucking guy! and anyone can fucking write your address on a letter. There is no way to get in shit if they pull your letter because you havent received the drugs. youre fucking stupid as fuck man
>>717797904 and you've been arguing this longer then anyone except for you're fucking wrong dude. Thats a key difference. You've been varying degrees of wrong about everything youve said in this entire thread and thats fucked!
>>717798118 im a different guy and i just want to say. Probable cause means, smell weed - take weed Warrent means probable cause, backed up with evidence/proof/ something tangible. potentially signed off on maybe then searched.
Probable cause is the test used to see if the search was legal. A cop can get a warrant beforehand or articulate their reasons afterwards in court. Either way it's a judge deciding if it passes the probable cause test.
>>717798445 fuck you man, it depend on the state and everything what theyre aloud to do. BUT they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you bought drugs, to do that they would have to take your computer and shit and they can only find information if you were unsafe. Also They probably cant fucking take your computer if all they found was an envelope with your name on it. In order for you to get in shit they would need to do a sting operation, intercept the mail follow it to your house. watch you open it then bust you and prove you werent going to call the police an report accidentally getting drugs in the mail Ive done all the research before. youre the one who doesnt know what theyre talking about. Why dony you fucking look it up. Thats what smart people do isnt it? educate themselves? im not your bitch, but youre a fucking idiot
>>717798641 the reason for warrants as apposed to just "probably cause" are that probably cause is a very fucking abstract thing and can mean all kinds of shit. Therefore where mail is concerned and personal privacy can be invaded a warrent is needed to make sure that the correct standards were met. YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE
>>717799306 you are such a stupid fucking nigger. Thats right, good. but you cant just say probable cause and open the shit, you still have to show a judge and get a warrent. you can search a house on just probable cause, you can search a car on just probable cause, you cannot search mail on just probable cause.
how are you not picking up what im laying down? are you a literal autistic person?
>>717781819 Gold prospecting. All it costs are a shovel, a 5 gal bucket, a pan, some water, and time. Rewards are free gold = money, outdoors for a little bit, and you can do it with your family, friends, or by yourself.
>>717799369 Thats not the postal act im referencing you fuck face. im not even a law dick. That isnt about probable cause. What im saying there is that even if they did get the warrent to open your letter and take the drugs there is nothing they can fucking do about it. You never had the drugs and they cant trace the transaction with that little evidence for a computer warrent
>>717799481 "That searches made at the border, pursuant to the longstanding right of the sovereign to protect itself by stopping and examining persons and property crossing into this country, are reasonable simply by virtue of the fact that they occur at the border, should, by now, require no extended demonstration."276 Authorized by the First Congress,277 the customs search in these circumstances requires no warrant, no probable cause, not even the showing of some degree of suspicion that accompanies even investigatory stops.278 Moreover, while prolonged detention of travelers beyond the routine customs search and inspection must be justified by the Terry standard of reasonable suspicion having a particularized and objective basis,279 Terry protections as to the length and intrusiveness of the search do not apply.280
>>717799490 i know what probable cause is, you need to meet that to get a warrent. but there are things you can search on just probable cause alone then fight in court later. for mail you cant. you need a warrent. are you fucked? why do i need to keep typing the same sentence?
Probably because I'm not a retarded nigger. The "Postal Act" you idiots keep referring to only extends basic 4th Amendment protections to 1st class letters, it doesn't give them more protection than any other search. The only reason it needs to do this is because by default, the 3rd Party Doctrine dictates that giving anything to a 3rd party surrenders your right to privacy.
You keep typing the same sentence because you never post any evidence that 1st class mail has additional protections. It doesn't. Even on a logical level it's absurd to believe that mail has more protection than your home when it comes to searches.
>>717799734 yeah exactly! so you need a warrent! even if you smell weed right there you still have to drop the lette and spend hours fucking around with a judge then come back and open it. Where if it were someones car you could climb right in and start digging around because the scent gave you probable cause
They don't need a warrant to open your letter, just like they don't need a warrant to search your car or your home. They just need articulatable facts that lead a reasonable person to believe criminal evidence would be found during a search.
>>717799838 how so? If a cop has a letter that smells like weed its not going anywhere? if a cop is outside your house and smells weed you could hide it by the time he gets back with a full warrant. so in the case of the house he can barge in with just his own probable cause but with the letter his thinking that its probable cause may not convince the judge. theres a difference. god dammit and buddy fucking posted it up at the top of this thread. go fucking look. i already read it so fuck off
>>717800009 4. Can Postal Inspectors open mail if they feel it may contain something illegal? First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mailpiece. Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence, and therefore may be opened without a warrant.. (https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/faq.aspx)
Yes, that just extends 4th Amendment protections to 1st class mail. The reason for this is because by default, the 3rd Party Doctrine eliminates any 4th Amendment protections on mail. The vast majority of drugs aren't shipped by 1st class mail, so even this small point is useless.
>>717800468 the vast majority of dark web couple of gram shit is sent in first class mail. so youre fucking wrong. and exigent circumstances dont apply to mail, its never that urgent. youre an idiot. i provide sources and you just keep retarding.
>>717785640 What if i told you a fed can get a warrant after they check and stillsend your ass to prison because to the feds you arent people and your social is nothing more than tag marking you as government property ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>717800781 whatever, they cant do anything with it anyways. unless they build up a vast collection that keeps going to your house, im going to bed, Ive got people to fuck tomorrow. good luck having no lives and being internet autists
>>717801631 What youve never heard of marine engineering? on fishing boats you make retarded money. my cheif makes 275k but we;re on one of the more profitable shrimp trawlers. even deck hands make 20k for 28-35 days
>>717802253 is that because you told yourself youre terrible at math and didnt want to learn it or are you a dumb person or a woman? and you only have to do math in school, youre basically a huge heavy duty mechanic, fabricator and electrician at work
>>717802677 i never understood that, but i guess its hard to picture how someone else thinks. Im just to smart so i do badly sometimes because i dont have to put in any effort at all to pass anything. if i have even the base formulas i get 100 on math and physics shit though
>>717803195 i dont ship stuff nigga, i dont even live in the united states. youre the ones who are retarded as fuck. im over that argument. my life is too dope to waste time fucking with 4 chan autistic fucks. i just get stuck here sometimes for old times sake.
>>717803485 because you guys retardafied me so hard with your garbage american logic. And also earlier when i was expressing how hard i ball, which can only be done in nigger voice otherwise it sounds stupid
No but people at the manufacturer get paid to do just that. Cant hit the same stores too many times because they get wise to all your busted returns. Pay cash never give ID and youll get maybe a few shots at each store if youre lucky Its a very short lived money making scheme and risk to reward ratio isnt really there.
>>717803665 calm down, its meant to be satirical. Its just funny how you guys work at mcdonalds everyday for 30k a year and i work 6 months a year for around 200k and have an education but you still think youre somehow right about anything.
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