Can anyone name something that the republican party has done to help the American people in the last 50 years? If not, why are you republican? The democrats are bad, but at least they throw the public a bone every once in awhile.
>>717709973 Exactly what is your argument here? Romney lost because he took so long to release his taxes which showed he wasn't paying taxes. There's no evidence trump has paid taxes for the past 18 years whether legally or not. Republicans consistently insist that cutting taxes on the rich raises revenue somehow, or that we don't need rich people's tax dollars. Has the cognitive dissonance completely ruined your logic drive?
>>717710214 "The rich" meaning people who get out of bed, get dressed and contribute to society while you're jacking off and taking bong rips all day. Democrats hate tax cuts because you have to have a job to benefit from them. All you little faggots need to grow up already.
>>717710658 Whatever, anon, I have a good job using my liberal arts degrees everyday. I just find it a bit ridiculous that I work full-time, pay taxes, a much higher rate than someone who can afford a shady accountant to hide my money in the first place. I find it ridiculous that we SUBSIDIZE the most profitable industries with my tax money, while they post record breaking profit every year using infrastructure paid for by WORKING people. Yeah, I'd like to see some balance.
Psst, just because I'm to the left of you doesn't make me a liberal. Just makes you uninformed.
>>717710319 God. What the fuck did I expect jumping on 4chan at noon on a Wednesday? You got it, pal. We've been "brainwashed" into thinking that the weird, cult-like beliefs of the DNC aren't the key to salvation. Drink a little more of that Kool-Aid, freind. It's going to make you one hell of a burger flipper one day.
>>717711204 Incredibly, incorrect. While it's fun to poke the cuckservative bear in a game of, "what debunked talking point are they going to assert this time?" I'be a few lessons to plan. Good talking to you, though.
>>717710487 >less than 2000 jobs. Yeah. Before even taking office. The value of the American dollar is skyrocketing, and all the special snowflakes are melting, and the man hasn't even taken on the position yet. Sorry the color of his skin doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy, but he's actually doing what he said he was going to do unlike that lying sack of dogshit, Obama.
>>717709061 Still nothing so far... Its kinda shocking they can't even bring up one thing. Its all just the same tired political arguments we've seen for months and months. OP asked a legitimate question but still no answers. The lack of answers is in itself an answer.
>>717710214 Trump employs thousands of people all who pay taxes. If his taxes were higher he would not be able to employ as many people, and the result would be less revenue for the govt. Is this really that hard of a concept for libcucks to grasp?
>>717710605 Today's libtards sound sillier trying to disregard Trump than yesterday's conservatives did trying to disregard the existence of dinosaurs. "See that guy with jets and helicopters and private jets and buildings across the country with his name on them? Well, he's actually very poor and unsuccessful." Meanwhile, your own idea of success is having enough food stamps to afford a box of Lucky Charms.
>>717711637 You've stayed a logical fallacy. If Trump were so rich he could afford to pay taxes because of his yuuuge success as a business man. Successful businessmaen can make money while staying above the board. Cheaters aren't success stories.
>>717711052 Here's the deal, dipshit: You have the same opportunities as everyone else in this country. The guy who signs your paycheck makes more than you because he was willing to take the risks that you weren't. You wanted security, he wanted more than that. Nobody's stopping you from pursuing the same goal for yourself.
>>717711531 Conservatives are very honest about what they do, and Liberals are very dishonest about it. They can afford to be dishonest, because their constituents never leave the couch and believe everything they see on TV.
>>717709999 I really don't see how any working class American can be a Republican, unless they've allowed the proverbial wool to be pulled over their eyes.
The Republicans do what they want, blame the Liberals, and tell the uninformed what they want to hear. Religion, racism, and hate are their tools they use to leverage the system and the people affected by their self serving tactics.
Nobody in Washington really gives a fuck about the little guy. Dems aren't much better IMO
>>717712111 The American worker produces more wealth than ever before in history. But what's the real value of that labor? Sorry, I really do have other things to do other than discuss (YOUR) talking points. Get some new bantz, anon, quite frankly, you're boring.
>>717712360 Do you have any examples? Unless you call those pizsagate viewers as honest or bright. Not to mention taking away the first amendment of freedom of religion by banning all the Muslims. So not so contistutional
>>717712445 No you are completely missing all of the news from the month of October. Trump admitted that he hasn't paid taxes for years do to losing a billion dollars some years ago. To continue to not pay taxes, the person has to make less in that year then they did in there greatest year until it's made up to what It used to be. Trump hasn't done that yet, so he's still losing money
>>717709061 Conservatives built every great civilization in history. It was always the gay ass liberal parasites who tore them all down. Every past civilization has a very similar history. Conservatives build it up, liberals appear like leeches, fleas, and ringworm start sucking the lifeblood out of it. Decadence and finally collapse. The the empire dies and the liberals scatter to find another great civilization willing to tolerate them, feed them, clothe them, etc..
>>717711150 It was a forgettable blurb about a couple of creepy photos that liberals tried to blow up into something it wasn't so they could use it as a strawman argument for why anyone that doesn't submit their will over to the cult of Obama is a wackjob. Notice how you're the only one mentioning it.
>>717712668 Yes he avoided taxes in every legal way possible, just like every one of Hillary's donors and private interests. The difference is he employs thousands of people all who pay taxes dipshit. He contributes more to our country than you can ever hope to.
>>717712880 So does every other businessman. What possible idea could you come up with that would make him more reasonable or respectful when he doesn't even run his own companies. His board does. Otherwise he wouldn't have time to run for president since that's a full time job
>>717711419 Unlike you with Obama, right? He didn't do ANYTHING he said he was going to, he's followed Bush's timeline in Iraq to a T, The first thing he did after taking office was dump money into the pockets of corrupt bankers that fucked the entire middle class, he signs off on drone strikes that result in the deaths of countless innocent people, he sent the national debt through the roof, but you can't keep his balls off your chin because his skin color makes you feel good about yourself. You are a fucking retard.
>>717712988 Yeah you keep thinking about that. It's really odd how materialistic you are. I work for a living, what does it matter which phone I use? Why does that have any bearing on the fact that I'm gainfully employed and work keeps picking up for me? Oh, but this isn't about me at all. It's about you and your mental masturbation as you assume everyone who disagrees with you is less than human and those few that may, the chosen ones. How pitifully dualistic.
>>717713649 It has nothing to do with bitterness. I has everything to do with being tired of the 1% leveraging politics to favor them and fuck middle class and the poor. It could easily be said we live in an Oligarchy
>>717711690 How about the abolishment of slavery? We had to go to war with your party to make it so you couldn't own people anymore. I guess that's not necessarily a good thing for YOU, but it's pretty awesome for would-be slaves.
>>717713995 You can't deny that corporations and rich fuckers are fucking it up for the rest of us. They're simply being allowed to call the shots and the conservatives can't see past their hatred of the liberals to see that our nation is being drained and our rights trampled in the name of patriotism and anti-terrorism.
>>717714127 Hahaha this is old propaganda. Yeah the democrats were in states like Mississippi and alabama. Also that was over 50 years ago. http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
>>717714247 1% of the country's populating is 3.5 million people. The actual people "fucking it up for the rest of us" are far fewer than 3.5 million. But I digress, I can deny it, because the standard of living is higher than it ever has been. We have 4G everywhere motherfucker. If those "1%" don't succeed we all get dragged down.
>>717714544 I don't think there shouldn't be a 1%. I think that the 1% shouldn't be given the chance to influence politics to the point where one of our parties exclusively works in their favor. Being rich isn't a problem, lobbying is.
>>717714844 All I'm saying is that it's much lower than the "1%" there are people within the 1% of richest Americans that are good people who help us live better lives. There are greedy good for nothing rich fucks who have more money than the 3.5 million you are referring to.
>>717713425 You're projecting, bro. Dehumanization is the classic tactic of the left. We just think you're wrong. You think we're "evil". We have to be "evil", because otherwise you'd have to participate in an open discourse and actually think about your stupid beliefs.
>>717714853 That's not what the 1% means in this senerio kek they want the top 1% of people that make the most money. Not percentage of the population. The whole 35 families make more than half of the population combine 1%
>>717714991 I definitely hear what you're saying. I was generalizing when I just said "the 1%," so my bad; there's always good and bad within a given group. I just personally feel that a lot of our current issues could be resolved if there was less of a focus on special interests by Washington. I ultimately hold both parties responsible for their respective shortcomings, though.
>>717714699 Oh, god. I love this argument. Your policies haven't changed, and neither have ours. We went to war with you over slavery because it was a vulgar practice that flew in the face of our constitution. You insisted that slavery was good for black people, because they'd never be able to survive on their own. Same argument that you currently use for the welfare policies that have completely destroyed the black family. Your party's as racist as it ever was. The only thing that's changed is the amount of effort you put into projecting your racism on everyone else.
>>717710319 Actually , I think many Republicans finally have realized that conservative policies do not help the average American. That's why they went for trump who is pretty damn liberal. Yeah he throws a line to the right every now and again about guns and charter schools but his political beliefs are based in liberalism. His whole platform is populism which is a leberal ideal and the main reason he was elected. By the way, he's an idiot and his is not an endorsement of that baffoon
>>717712111 No, you need to be red pilled. >the system is rigged for the corporations and 1%. If you as an individual or corporation can bankroll lobbyists, then you can get the tax breaks, etc to increase your bottom line. >right now most bank accounts pay <1% interest. If you don't own stock or have investments then your wealth is tied solely to your income. >stock dividends, and money made from the sale of stock and property are subject to capital gains tax which can range from 10% to 20% >federal income tax range for someone (single or married) making more than 100K is 25% to 39% >it's in your best interest to have more capital gains than income >it's easier for rich people to have capital gains than for poor and middle class people
>>717715504 Their wages are nothing in comparison to what he makes, and the fact that you actually believe that if 'he' had to give more to society he would be unable to afford these workers is laughable.
>>717715588 Hey I'm not a liberal, guy. Don't include me in that bunch. I don't like either party, frankly.
While policies may not have changed officially, practices have. You can't compare the Left or Right of now to the Left and Right of old with any real accuracy and it hardly matters what was. What matters is what is currently. And the right hardly gives a shit about anyone but themselves and the left isn't any better.
>>717711714 Nobody is calling Trump poor by questioning his personal wealth claims, they're calling him a liar. There is a reasonably strong argument that the bulk of Trump's claimed "wealth" is fictional. Democrats and Republicans alike also wanted to know who Trump owes money to - a president with enormous debt owed to foreign banks is a valid and serious concern.
>>717716281 The fundamental principles influencing the policies of the two parties haven't changed. Conservatives want to preserve the constitution that created the greatest country on Earth, and Liberals want to make confetti out of it.
>>717716400 Checked Also, maximumu rvenue would come from those 34000 paying taxes, as well as himself paying them, and it's laughable that people think big business owners cant afford both higher taxes and maintaining their employees
>>717710375 I didn't realize Republicans were bringing back the jobs, I just thought it was the orange clown they detested bringing them back. Besides, last I heard Republicans wanted to get rid of the congressional ethics committee. Apparently that is the definition of "draining the swamp".
Who else finds the state of American politics to be downright sad? It's all "us vs them" in any situation regarding the two parties.
When did we stop looking at eachother as Americans and start looking at people for their party? And when did such fervent loyalty your party, regarding the two party system become such an intrinsic part of our view of eachother?
>>717716782 So I'm a liberal now because I believe everyone should pay taxes? Why not allow the illegals in if you want people who don't pay taxes. Just because you are giving someone a wage, doesn't mean they don't make money themselves off of those people. Can't believe someone would shill this hard over having to pay more taxes because some rich fuck doesn't want to kek
>>717712111 I make a pretty righteous paycheck because my rich grandparents (who made bank in real estate just after WW2) funded my father's business when HE was young (not to mention bailing him out with open-ended minimum interest loans when things got bad), and he in turn groomed my generation to take over. Right now I'm in an executive position at a medium size construction firm solely because I was born in the right place at the right time. I'm not incompetent, I wouldn't be in this position without putting the work in, but literally nobody who works for me had anywhere near the same opportunity I did. They were born poor, they grew up broke, when they screwed up young they had no safety net. Meanwhile, I'm buying my second investment property and taking home enough money that I honestly don't know or NEED to know what I pay for my cell phone, cable, etc., all that stuff my guys struggle with daily.
>>717717173 What happened to by the people for the people? That's so patriotic of you to call out OP because he wants his taxes not to go to corporate welfar like Exxon who is now in charge of that department
>>717717070 Not apart of your specific argument, but I see the point you're trying to make. Everyone ought to have to pay taxes and tax laws that favor the rich, even though they are legal, don't particularly treat him as they do the majority. He's an American citizen with income, thus, he should do his part and contribute via taxes.
Name one thing Democrats have done to help the American people, and I'll blow you the fuck out of the water.
You're already at a debate disadvantage for thinking either side gives a shit about you. The Democrat party was the party of slavery back then, and in different forms and legislation is still the same party of slavery.
>>717716782 He's not every business man. He's someone that is supposed to love his country and fellow countrymen so much. That's the message he campaigned on but apparently it's Do as I say not as I do for him
>>717717629 His 34,000 employees pay taxes dipshit, that is indirectly contributing more money to the country than you could ever hope to contribute. Yet your logic is that he doesn't contribute any. It's quite funny you call this a debate.
>>717717768 You collassal moron. Having other people pay taxes, does not equal you paying taxes. Otherwise I shouldn't have to pay because of the 14 employees I have. All of there taxes comes close to what I pay
>>717717548 >>717716753 Inflexibility to change is the death of nations. The Constitution got some things right, but we live in a very different time than it was created. Progress is necessary to move forward and this intense nostalgia for what was and how we want to go back to "the good old days" is just sad. Let's move forward, to something greater than what we had
It's because of apathy. No one really gives a shit what the government does anymore. People nowadays just pick a side and act like their shit doesn't stink.
People who actually care about politics will argue about the merits or demerits of whatever is going on right now regardless of political affiliation, but such people are incredibly rare compared to the teeming masses of people who don't give a shit.
>>717717841 I've fired way more than 10 people that I can tell you. However, I don't give a shit about anyone nor did I I do. That's difference and the point I originally made. You know , the point you completely glossed over and deflected.
>>717717679 Women's suffrage, civil rights act, social security,I'd include the ACA but I'd bet a dollar you think laws requiring insurance companies to actually provide the service they charge for (patient protection) are somehow unamerican.
>>717718168 He would be an idiot not to hire an accountant and take the legal tax breaks that he does. When your annual expenditure for your employees exceeds the billions then who gives a shit if you pay income tax or not.
>>717718348 Yep but he also would be an idiot to claim it was all his brilliance that made him not able to pay taxes. But I'm reality, it's because he lost almost a billion dollars and still hasn't caught up yet
This insatiable need to "progress" is what leads countries to failure, not stagnation. Stagnant countries can and have existed for hundreds of years, but countries that change for the sake of change alone die out fairly quickly.
I've never understood this absurd love of "progress" like there is some intrinsic good to it.
>>717718552 It was his brilliance that allowed him to start a multi billion dollar empire, hire an accountant, and use every possible loophole to keep as much money as possible. He didn't make the tax laws lol.
>>717718552 You do realize the IRS pays many corporations at the end of the year right? Facebook for one not only doesn't pay taxes, but they get payed by the IRS. And you're mad at Trump, what a joke.
>>717718570 It's foolish to thing that in a changing world we should remain the same. Times change, and if we don't then we get left behind. Just like every other failed nation/government/tribe/etc. It's in our nature and best interest to move forward, it's an intrinsic part of human nature. Why stop here anon?
I'm not arguing for stopping. I'm arguing for slowing the fuck down and actually thinking about where we're headed. Change should only be made if it's a good change. Don't fix what ain't broken and all that.
It really annoys me to see modern liberals demanding "progress" for no reason other than progress itself. Progress for its own sake is the ideology of a cancer cell.
>>717709061 >>>717709973 >Republicans consistently insist that cutting taxes on the rich raises revenue somehow, or that we don't need rich people's tax dollars. Has the cognitive dissonance completely ruined your logic drive?
It's factually correct that lower income and corporate taxes spur growth. Do you honestly think higher tax rates increase government revenue? They dont. Higher taxes on the rich cause them to use tax shelters that earn a lower return on their investment and also make them appear to have lower incomes. The government actually recieves less revenue in this scenario.
When taxes are lower, they invest their money in riskier ventures with higher rates of return. The investments they make cause job growth and higher taxable income across the board. At the end of the day, everyone has more money in their pocket.
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