gandalf is a real wizard that died and came back >no fucks given when fighting huge spawn of death deep underground
Dumbledor is suspicious from beginning to end. He may or may not have won his "duels" and that death wand was more of a deus ex to beating voldemort (harry was never good at shit). In the end he died for his own plot and device.
>>717701984 Gandalf the white is like an ascended master existing in a sense, partially in the spiritual realm already.
It's no contest that Gandalf would win in a fair match, but they would never fight because they are so much alike, they would ally up. They are both almost omniscient magic users. They can't imagine them ever being in a position to fight each other.
>>717702483 No, not really, The fact is that the difference is that Harry Potter world is filled with magic. Like almost every character is a magic user or directly tied to a magic user or magic in some way.
In Lord of the Rings, magic is treated in a more classic sense, as only existing in the hands of the very few adepts and with the elves. It's still incredibly powerful and overwhelming magic. How can you say no when a ring made countless eons ago, retains the will of its master and a consciousness to meet its goals and on top of making the user invisible, begins controlling their mind actively.
I've never seen the Lord of the Rings movies, so there's no telling what abomination they created, but as someone who has read all the books, I can tell you without a doubt that in every sense Gandalf is a more powerful Wizard.
Gandalf is literally more than human, and just a small example of his power is that he reads minds and memories at will. Not only that, but healing near mortal wounds with a mere touch, etc. Like, he doesn't have to create a nuclear ball of fire to stop you, he can just make you sit down.
>>717703519 Dont worry the movoes are actually quite good, except for the army of the dead inmovie 3, that was beyond retarded. Stay away from the hobbit though, those are butchering the story beyond repair.
>>717703811 I saw the first one in theater when it first came out, and they fucked up enough that I didn't care to see the rest.
I mean, where the fuck is Tom Bombadil? when I read the book, I felt the resonance of that character for most of the rest of the book. He was in possession of the one ring, and made it disappear in front of Frodo, in addition to putting it on. for half the book, I felt the intrigue of wondering if he had switched the ring on Frodo, or some such.
Anyone, my point is the movies don't touch the magic and imagination of the books. How could they?
>>717703186 >a ring. >Able to controll others mind >not imediately but slowly >took the majority of saurons magic to create >is nothing without his ring Vs. >imperius curse; able to control minds immediately >avada cadavra; instakill curse >shitton of other spells, charms, transfigurations, & potions >some magic still available to magic user without wand Albus wins hands down
>>717701984 Tough matchup. Dumbledore has many tricks and is resistant to mind attacks. Also can use the instakill spell. Assuming Gandalf is not straight up immune to Harry Potter magic Dubmi wins. Meaning he manages to kill Gandalf but only for a while as he's immortal. In the end Gandalf resurrects as Gandalf the Golden or some shit and its gg.
>>717704285 >>717704148 What you people fail to understand is that Gandalf isn't evil, and he would never use dark magic. The elves would probably use it before Gandalf ever did. Gandalf is Good. He is a guiding force, not a battle mage.
Neither Gandalf nor Dumbeldore would fight each other, and if they did neither would use any of that shit, and you should know that if you know anything about either character.
honestly, do you really think dumbeldore would ever kill someone? Even a bad guy?
>>717704808 I see your point. Character morality included Albus would subdue Gandalf & imprision him....or make him say uncle. My point is Harry Twatter magic is more tangeable than Frodoland magic and since it has more possibilities it would outpower gandalfs
>>717705315 This is a fair pont. Dumbi can just imrison gandalf forever. Like his soul or something. There's probably a spell for that. Then craft it into some cool magic object. Like a magic staff imbued with Maiar soul.
>ability to do everything but somehow everything is limited down a select set of spells >more spells known, more power; hermione should be goddess in some way >wordless incantations, just start dildo slapping the wand around for max hax
>>717701984 Gandalf is very literally a lower level god as another anon said. He is likely as strong as any other character in the books but they do not affect mortal affairs so directly and takes the form of an old man. Whatever his true physical form is it's logical to assume he'd be much more powerful with that limitation removed.
They'd never fight, so it's a popularity contest, and kids today don't know classic LOTR, but they grew up on Harry Potter, so most people would say Dumbeldor as a kneejerk reaction, but frankly, Gandalf is essentially an immortal being, transcending physical reality, so good luck with that shit.
You do know that gandalf was forbidden by the valar from just using magic all willy nilly right?
He was permited to use very limited amounts in very rare instances and was only allowed to use more power when it was in direct confrontation of the dark lord throwing around some of his magical bullshit and needed to save the world.
For example he turned his staff into a flashlight a few times. and there was that one time when he kaboomed a rock in goblin town which is the most magic we see him allowed to use.
Now when he was dueling saruman we got to see 2 powerfull wizzards goinging at it for like 3 seconds.
>>717706656 Well, maybe you skimmed past him in your required reading class or some shit, but I love the books, and I enjoyed reading them, and the first time I read it, it stuck out like a sore thumb because who else takes possession of the ring in addition to putting it on and making it disappear in front of Frodo? I was thinking of Tom Bmbadil for like half the book, as I explained, but you're right that it is just an example of many of the things they changed, added, or subtracted.
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