Anyone else find it ironic that the Democrats were screaming about Trump threatening to kick out people from other countries (who are here illegally), only to watch Obama kick out Russians(who were here legally)?
Are there people really too stupid to not see what's actually going on here?
>>717690316 They weren't proven to be spies. It was just a knee jerk reaction from the administration to show force. About the equivalent of spitting in the face on the playground. And it didn't work. At least it didn't achieve the reaction Obama wanted. Which was a knee jerk reaction from Putin.
>>717691900 Those illegals are the cool ones we wanna help stay legitimately. The rapists murderers and drug dealers are 99% coming in over and under the border. That's around 3M of the 11M illegals in the country. Worth.
>>717689537 POTUS is a dictator who by choice respects the public's voice. He doesn't have to.
The thing is that (often) whoever ends up being POTUS is faivored by the voters and the more or less by unelected people of power.
Trump is not really somebody who understands connection between action, cause, and result. So first things first; he's a bit dangerous. We don't know if he's a got a really good poker face or if he's a bit crazy. This is because he has no history in politics. His history in the business world would point towards him being a swindler and a crazyman. Whatever he would say, or whatever executive orders he would push, so would happen.
As you might understand while Trump appears really attractive in the public's eyes, he's still a massive threat to the very same public. Not because he's only a mad man with no real plan, but because he's a mad dictator who can execute a seemingly good plan.
>>717694382 Just look up the massive list of politicians who have voted on issues against what their constituency wanted... having a political background isn't exactly proof that he will execute the will of the public.
>>717694868 >having a political background isn't exactly proof no but having it means you understand why things are the way they are, and you have a notion of consequence to your action. Trump fundamentally lacks that.
>>717695107 >cannot follow the guy's train of thought that made him reach that conclusion >thinks he's found some logical inconsistency >assumes that the viewpoint he has isn't self-evident from the nature of the question he's asking >doesn't understand the first thing about inference >thinks he knows anything about logic
>>717694536 >backed away from the idea of building said wall. Not to say he never meant it, but I always saw the wall as more of a conversation starter to get people to discuss a problem that we have with illegal immigration and the current immigration process as a whole. To me it was never going to be a real answer, but something that could lead to one.
This probably wasn't trump's intention, so I am not trying to give him credit. But you cant deny that it has opened up countless discussions about what can be done with border security and immigration as a whole.
>>717694382 You just made up a psychological profile for this man. Think about that. You have never met him, nor have you a significant understand of his life and details but somehow you convinced yourself you know how his mind works? Just think for a second how foolish you are
>>717695194 I assumed your point was to compare me with a well known and respected jewish comedian with the conclusion that I am not as funny as him, even though my original point was really just highlighting the difference between the proposed deportation of a couple of million men, women and children and a handful of foreign agents suspected of attmepting to influence the democratic election of another soverign nation.
Perhaps you are right though. Maybe we should let comedians do comedy and instead focus on the important thigns like try to convince anonymous strangers that we are experts in foreign and domestic politics and whilst calling each other cuckholds.
>>717695234 There was nothing clever or unfollowable about the guys post. Implying that there is a reason other than what they blatantly said, which was as retaliation for hacking, is borderline conspiracy theory. Quite frankly if that guy can't know either. Assuming a position in face of the given evidence is pretty contrary to logic, which is what he's doing by saying there's a hidden agenda with no proof. Secondly, if a group claims to not want anyone kicked out of the country, and then they kick people out of the country... what would you call that if not inconsistency?
You cannot prosecute diplomats by international law, as you would anyone else within the confines of the country. I'm sure you've heard of the term diplomatic immunity before. The only action you can undertake is expulsion. The reason for this is because people act on a "treat-as-you've-been-treated" precedent, which would put American Diplomats serving there in danger. But I assume based on your argument, you either weren't aware or didn't afford that enough significance, which is why you're forming an uninformed or underinformed opinion, whilst commenting on international affairs.
Now, while that might not be a problem with you, at a presidential level it is. Obama followed protocol. It' not an ideological inconsistency.
>>717696018 I dont have time to look at all the links, but if you are saying "he wanted the wall" and shit, yeah, I agree with you. I specifically said I give trump no credit for unintentionally creating a great conversation starter. I don't care if he doesn't "build the wall" or if he meant it, the fact that he said it caused everyone to start talking about it and come up with other ideas that could work and that is what I care about.
>>717697052 You imply that it is the russoan government that is attempting to 'hack' and not just some random people looking for information to sell. I dont see the US prepping to go to war with india over their phone scams causing many creditcards and identitys to be stolen. I bet there are plenty of people in the US that are trying to hack shit as we speak, should other countries attack us because of them?
>>717697965 I know, I said that I understand what he said and meant. I am saying that he unintentionally created something that caused everyone to start talking about the border problems the US has and other solutions besides the dreaded wall that could work. He did not intend to, but now even if 'the wall' is not built, the fact that this problem has had new light shed on it is a good thing.
I am merely pointing out that the US intelligence community have accused the russian government of interfering in the US election. This is not opinion; This is fact, for what it's worth in this day and age.
Now the president of the United States has repsonded to this accusation by expelling suspected agents from the US as a demonstration that America does not take attacks on US soil lightly.
If he had done nothing then he would have opened himself up to critizism that he was weak and that the US is powerless to deal with foreign attacks.
>>717698425 But he will do nothing that the current administration isn't already doing.
Furthermore illegal immigration from Mexico has been on the decline for years whereas illegal immigration from West Africa and Eastern Europe are at all time highs. What are his proposals to stop those people?
>>717698717 >fact. Provide proof plz. Because the DHS report doesn't prove shit. Typically when something starts with "it is the belief of..." that doesn't hold water worth a shot without objective substantiated sources and evidence.
>>717699186 Are you privy to the conversations between Obama and the heads of Homeland Security, the CIA, the FBI and the numerous other private internet security companies that have all published their reports concluding that high ranking russian officials authorized the cyberattack in order to influence the american election?
Must be exciting, living and breathing in the corridors of power. Or are you just a clerk, bringing them coffee or something?
Still, I am impressed. What other conversations are you privy to?
>>717699469 When people directly involved with the leak say it wasn't Russia and people that weren't say it was then you're the one that has to prove that it was. Because the horses mouth opened last night and said it wasn't.
>>717699395 No, I am saying that it is a fact that the official position of the United States government that there was a russian attempt at influencing the election through cyberattacks.
I am not saying that it did or didn't happen; Just pointing out that the US government is saying that it happened, which is why they have to act according to protocol.
When the japs attacked pearl harbour, the governemnt didn't sit around and argue wethe ror not it was a flase flag operation. They were forced to act, or at the very least they were forced to be seen to act accordingly.
Now, I am not arguing whether or not these attacks happened: The damage is already done. There is a large percentage of people in the US and abroad who are convinved that Putin himself is Trump's puppet master. He couldn't be happier with this outcome. It paints russia as influential master hackers and the president elect as a russian stooge. Whether or not the attacks occured is frankly irrelevant at this stage.
The Department for Homeland Security has issued its official position, i.e that the attacks did occur and whether or not it's Obama acting the hardass before leaving office or if they are genuinely pissed off with russia I cannot tell you because unlike the other geniuses in this thread, I do not have access to the private memos of America's Intelligence communities.
>>717700729 Ah fair enough. So the FBI is claiming that there isn't sufficient evidence to implicate the Kremlin. Someone ought to tell Putin. I bet he'll be thrilled to bits. Does the DHS know about this? Does Obama?
Oh christ, don't tell me that the president of the US does not have access to any intelligence briefings?
>>717701305 That's the problem. Obama knows his shit doesn't hold any weight. So he forces the hand of the agencies he is in control of to release rushed and double spoken bullshit like that DHS report.
>>717689537 I'm still waiting on their proof. I do not take the word of the DHS, FBI, CIA or the NSA because they all lie all the time and make shit up. I guess they expect everyone to forget about when the NSA and Obama were caught by Snowden spying on US citizens and the tapping of Russia's and other countries emails and cell phones.
>>717701459 I sincerely doubt that Obama wants to start a diplomatic incident with russia over nothing.
Look at the guy, he is tired as fuck. He wants to hand the keys in and go on a vacation. He knows that blaming the russians won't alter the election. Maybe he just wants to stir the pot but what would be the point? The next incumbent is super tight with russia and so any diplomatic damage this creates will be soothed over with Rex Tillerson playing a couple of rounds of golf with Putin as they discuss the amendment to the Exxon-Mobil deal that will be implemented as soon as he lifts the sanctions.
But anyways, what is done is done and now we have this situation.
The only one profiting from it is Putin.
It's going to be a good couple of years to be a russian oligarch
>>717701893 It's only a situation if you believe the narrative. Either way Obama isn't tired. He's salty as fuck because he knows his legacy will be destroyed for the betterment of all Americans. Don't get me wrong. I voted Obama twice. But my disliking of him started with obamaphones and hit the peak when he sided with Trayvon and BLM every time someone was shot justifyably. Pretty much what sold me against Clinton this year when she paraded mike browns mom out on stage. Essentially siding with criminals and the worst dregs American society has to offer instead of working class Americans.
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