>>717596153 I don't like women anymore. They honestly annoy me to no end. I'm only 21 and already I have lost interest in them. I've only fucked 3 and they were long term gfs, but now I don't even want one night stands or a gf. They all suck.
Just broke up with the gf after 2 years because we just kinda descended to being roomies who fuck each other instead of lovers. I feel really bad because I hooked up with two girls a week later and another 2 on NYE while she has trouble getting over it. Eh, fuck it.
>>717596153 I'm kind of ugly (probably a 6/10 on a good day), I'm not in good shape (not overweight either but still), I'm a feminist hating conservative, I have little to no confidence when it comes to talking to women and I am not in college so the only way I could potentially meet women my age is something like tinder and idk I just don't want to stoop to that level quite yet
>>717603312 Hes not a MGTOW, he has a large amount of respect for women as he says in a few episodes, and they're his passion. MGTOWs have no respect for anyone but men, they believe women to be superficial monsters who want to use you.
>>717604491 Women are another half of a species and therefore your analogy doesn't work, believing one half of the species to be monsterous and evil, or at the very least baseline parasitic and untrustworthy and the other perfectly normal and reasonable, is to be ignorant of the entire basis upon which the human race is made.
>>717596153 Because the one girl that's ever loved me left me. I spent years with her, and it was great. I tried to get out there but then I realized that most women and are shallow and can't hold a real conversation. I just miss my best friend, I guess.
>>717605202 In order to be MGTOW, all a man needs to do is decide to refrain from entering into a committed monogamous relationship with a woman.
That's it. That's all it is. It isn't anything more than that.
It does not mean that as a MGTOW you will not have relations with women. We all have mothers and sisters, aunts and cousins. Our friends have girlfriends. We work with women.
Becoming MGTOW doesn't mean you can't have sex if you want to. You can even have a lover and still be considered MGTOW, as long as your lover knows that you are not committing to a monogamous relationship with them. MGTOW does not equal celibacy.
MGTOW is not a movement. It is a lifestyle. That's all it is and nothing more.
>>717605126 Did you just call me a white knight for stating the scientific fact that genders are equal halves of a whole that exist entirely to allow the human race genetic diversity? What dumbass shit are you smoking and where can I get some?
>>717605418 Well I suppose thats fine if you want to live that way but there's really nothing wrong with being in a relationship with a woman, believing that it hurts you somehow is just a misunderstanding of reality.
>>717605803 There is a reason why it is customary for men to get down on one knee and bow before a woman before he proposing marriage. Traditionalism is entirely based upon female superiority. Traditionalism is the pedestalization of women. (pic related) >seats on lifeboats >who gets rescued first in a burning building >who gets to eat first during a famine When it comes to the pecking order of whose life has the most value, society places men dead last every time. Furthermore, society expects men to place themselves dead last every time and it teaches boys that they are supposed to shame any man who refuses. >your subjugation was deeply ingrained into your psyche by your mother during early childhood. >"men provide". "men protect". "men serve". = slaves mentality
Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Reject silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Look to no one else for social cues. Refuse to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility and try to find the courage to live according to your own best interests in a world which would rather you didn’t.
>>717596153 >over 30 (not a wizard though, had a girl 9 years ago) >works, decent pay, pharmacist >average looks, balding (reversed the top with finasteride, but hairline never lowered again), not fat, but no muscles either >lives with parents >no car, has license, but afraid of driving (works very close to home, so it doesn't matter) >no friends except for one similar guy on FB >doesn't leave the house except for work and japanese classes once a week >able to talk to women, can be witty/funny yet I can't imagine how to get a girl and where would she fit in my life of work, games and anime I stopped caring at some point and gave up on this, I'm trying hard not to think about it too much or else I'll get depressed again... but it doesn't always work. There are two decent, cute, young girls around. One just started working with me, the other attends the japanese classes. Both are 22.
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>>717596153 Because GFs are good for nothing. I have "conquests" all the time but, I just throw them away after a couple of weeks. My treatment from whores and watching my dad get fucked over by my mom has left me close to dead inside when it come to attachment to women. Its actually pretty sad guys, sometimes I wish I could be oblivious to female nature. I envy my brother who is getting married this summer. Poor bastard is happier than me.
>>717605986 ...HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA! Wait.. you're serious? Ok first off, they get the first seats on lifeboats because thats chivalry, its a stupid old custom, and I agree its dumb, but it has nothing to do with female superiority, same thing with who gets saved first in fires or who eats first during a famine, and if you're about to go on with me about the pecking order, you can shut your mouth right now. We do these things because usually, women are seen as weaker, and while thats not really the case anymore, its just a tradition thats lived on for a while, it'll probably disolve overtime like most traditions in the end though they're such trivial things it doesn't really matter furthermore, for a VERY long time, women were not allowed any power at all. Women of the peasant class stayed at home and cooked, and made babies to serve the state, women of the royality did the exact same thing, except their babies either controlled the state, or made more royalty to lead armies of peasants, run towns, or marry princesses, speaking of princesses, women, if they were from an important family, were a commodity, they were used to secure alliances and strengthen bonds between houses. Plus, lets not forget if a town got ransacked in a time of war, who got the spared the rod, and who usually had to take said rod in every orifice until they were dead? Women. They were treated well in social situations so everyone could pretend they were worth something besides babymaking. Now, it is leaning more to their superiority, but it wasn't always like this, and in many places on earth it STILL isn't. (Examples being the entirety of the Middle East, Japan, Africa, and many parts of central Asia) Only in the west do we see this "female superiority" starting to rise, and it is highly unlikely it'll ever get as bad as the middle ages. You're being delusional, look at history and you'll see how bad people with cunts had it for a pretty long time.
Because almost every woman I know are the typical "you can't judge me I'm always right" type of person. The only women I do know who aren't like that are currently out of my reach.
>>717605986 the woman is held up on a pedestal because they give birth and raise the child. the man is supposed to defend the woman and the child. think of it as how a man becomes knighted to protect the king. they swear their loyalty to them so then they will survive the next day and run a stable kingdom. if you view women on the same level as you, then you're basically saying that single parenting is a flawless method to raising children, but that's disproven by thousands of years of generations since almost all children are brought up by two parents. each sex plays a role in raising the children.
>>717607163 Imagine yourself on a cruise and the ship you are on is sinking. As lifeboats are put into the water, it is discovered that half of them are not seaworthy due to lax maintenance. One out of two sink as they are put into the water and its occupants swim back to the sinking cruise ship, desperately climbing back on board as everyone still on the cruise ship is panicking. You find yourself sitting on one of the lifeboats that actually works. However, a man wearing the uniform of a crew member points at you and yells at you. He is demanding that you get up out of your seat.
He says, "There aren't enough seats for everyone. Women and children first!"
You look over his shoulder and see a woman waiting for you to get up. You tell him to go fuck himself, and refuse to give up your seat. You assert that your life is just as valuable as hers and since you got to the seat first, the seat is rightfully yours. The man waves some of his fellow crew mates over to you and they forcefully remove you from the lifeboat. As soon as your seat becomes available, the women sits in it without hesitation.
The notion that she has priority to that seat has been ingrained into her since childhood. She feels entitled to that seat and whether or not your life is more valuable never even crosses her mind. The fact that you are a professor at an Ivy League university and one of the most renowned physicists currently living and she is just a house wife is irrelevant. She is a woman.
Where feminism is primarily focused on female supremacy, traditionalism is focused on female superiority. Traditionalism is the other feminism. It's the gynocentric, white knight voice on the conservative side of politics and it’s the reason the ship's crew pulled you from the lifeboat. Traditionalism is the assertion that your life is less valuable than a woman and that it is your duty to consider yourself disposable. It is the pedestalization of women.
>>717605986 See this is a reasonable stance, but the problem is a lot of the mgtow faggots use this mindset to justify their failures in life and with women. It's an easy cop-out, but it's also very true.
First thread, open that. Post = bloke talking about how he has money, goes to the gym, and fucks loads of girls whenever he wants. But he just can't date them! Because they're bad. Bad women.
First reply on thread:
"When you see a woman doing as women normally do (cheating, hamstering, etc.) just smile and shake your head. Just like a dog that shits on the carpet, they don't know any better, and arguing with them will get nowhere. Smile, nod, agree, and do what you were going to do anyway. You don't owe anyone any explanations for why you refuse to put pussy first."
>>717607129 they're uninterested from the start because of your word play, not because of your appearance. instead of opening your conversations with a "hi", start it with a "wassap" or a question about them.
girls will practically fall in love with you once you start asking questions about them. i dont know why, but it just works.
>>717607436 More like: happines has to come from the inside and you should be happy regardless of the situation and the people around you. If you let controll happines to another people, girl or boy, you will end destroyed
>>717607279 Traditionalism was never actually implimented, you know that right? The knights and nobles who DID follow it usually died trying, and the vast majority who didn't would take a castle, and as their men stormed the keep and cut down the fleeing peasants and broken gaurdsmen, he and his bannermen would march up to the royal's room inside, find the enemy lord, slice him down, and take turns raping his wife and children. Chivalry is like makeup. Its something someone puts on to make them look better, beneath it is the same ugly person, and when it isn't needed anymore, they wipe it off and reveal whats underneath. There are countless stories throughout the middle ages and before then of lords, commanders, kings and the like who spent their days raping pillaging and burning the homes of their enemies. You know the difference between the common Men-At-Arms and the noble, honorable knights in times like this? The Knights got the pretty noble girls, the Men-At-Arms got the unwashed peasant ones. This kind of scenario you showed with the boat and the woman only happens on a very specific set of circumstances when the man is a productive member of society, the woman is a worthless whore who believes herself superior, you're on a ship, the lifeboats were destroyed, and you happened to pick a seat at the wrong time. The scenario I provided? That happened thousands of times for, 1000 years, from the Roman Legions to the great kings and Queens of antiquity. The tales of these happenings are historical accounts of battles and seiges, the "traditionalism" idea comes from romanticized stories told around a campfire, that have been retold so many rimes, they're reduced to mythology.
>>717608161 In all seriousness focusing on yourself and not spoiling the girl with endless attention will 'train' her to focus on you. Likewise, spoiling her will train her to expect it and be ungrateful. That's just how people in general work.
>>717608541 completely unrelated. that's because we're teaching men to be women, effeminate fucks who only care about how people around them feel. true traditionalism is where a man gets the fuck up and protects someone weaker than them, i.e. women and children. telling men to protect the weak isn't telling them to be women. that's telling them to be their own man.
it's not my fault you're some fat fuck who can't get a woman because he's too busy self-indulging on 4chan
>>717608847 Thats a joke, the conversations and stuff are his actual character, plus they're just whores, he probably paid them, they didn't seem very upset or scared when they got out, they acted like a bunch of confused chickens.
>>717608651 Look... I tried all sort of shit, but I guess that I havent found "that one" yet. I know all the stuff, had 3 relationships which were quite intensive, yet, they ended because I started to show that I care waaay too much... Shit is real. If you hope that your loved one will be with you forever - you are lying to yourself.
Im not an optimist. Never was and never will be. (sorry for all that bullshit. im tired as fuck. should go to sleep 4h ago)
>>717608541 You can't exactly group all those men as "MGTOW" the same way feminists cant group everyone that thinks women should have rights as "feminists".
And there's a difference between "I'm not married yet, but I'm trying" and "I'm not married yet cause marriage sounds terrible. Still getting laid tho!" and "I'm not married yet cause women are evil. MGTOW for life!"
>>717609119 ._. I mean if you never marry a girl you don't love them and if you don't love them and you still fuck them for an extended period of time and act like you do of course when the curtain falls they're going to be upset, it makes you a piece of shit because you use them like a fleshlight.
>>717609113 how fucking dumb are you? do you also believe that criminals don't exist? do you also believe that we live in a perfect utopia free from crime? there were plenty of people who never saw barbarians in the medieval times too you fucking idiot, but those families still saw traditional values
>>717609075 I get that. I've been through ups and downs, but you can change your mindset. Personally, I'd say just go try to get as many short-term relationships as possible.. at a time. You don't even have to lie; just tell them you wanna keep things casual. Monogamy is kinda overratted imo
>>717609362 I'm also a very aggressive anti-feminist, I just don't hate women and think they control society. You do realize that you are a feminist, just the opposite way around right? Do you not see how you act exactly like them?
>how fucking dumb are you? do you also believe that criminals don't exist?
You're not a fucking cop, you retard. What the fuck kind of an argument is that? Holy fuck, it's not like we have a very specific government body that is financed through our labour that is responsible for reducing and shielding people from crime. I don't know anon, women are just not safe with a fucking guard dog that is at their beckon call ready to fight or fuck, you're right. The entire argument relies on the premise that men have fuck all to do but sit outside the door with a shotgun. You also by your gf/wifes side 24/7 where she at work just standing there like you're some secret service agent? You daft fucking cunt.
I don't know dog. I am not sure you guys know this, but women can actually get jobs now. In some cultures it is actually illegal to not hire based on sexual organs. It's almost like we fucking moved past the prehistoric notion of men being the providers and women being the incubators.
I'm not what society would consider a ''man''. I'm short, skinny and I don't play sport. I don't have a car and don't make enough money to support 2 people. I'm not attractive also which I know shouldn't matter but deep down I know it does.
in my opinion, the reason we have these customs such as always putting women first in everything is because women are the weaker sex.
however, in an advanced world of political and social correctness, women and men are treated equally (explains why feminism is outdated), women actually having the upper hand due to the past 100 years and its feminist movements. as we progress into the future and become more "civilized", these customs that were held as important become more and more obsolete, to the point of their existence actually harming the abilities of the opposite sex. if the world existed like it did 1000 or more years ago where sheer muscle power could mean the difference between life and death, the customs actually do have a purpose: to save the weaker sex.
tldr customs to put women first in advanced society is complete bullshit in most situations, unless its a fight of some sort that requires muscle strength.
>>717609767 holy fucking shit dude lmao you are retarded one, who the fuck said that the only job a man has is to protect the woman two, who the fuck said that you can't carry a weapon at your home three, who the fuck said that in the medieval times that they did this
try growing a reading comprehension past the third grade and maybe you can come to understand when people are saying shit and when they aren't
traditionalism puts emphasis on the man getting a job and getting a family, not becoming a fucking psychopath
>one, who the fuck said that the only job a man has is to protect the woman
I didn't say you had one job either. I said fight or fuck, that's at least two.
>two, who the fuck said that you can't carry a weapon at your home
What the fuck does you owning a gun have to do with anything? The entire point you were making was that women just can't defend themselves without men, or traditionalism, or whatever the fuck ideology you're peddling. Like women can't get a fucking a gun and protect their own shit without you cramming traditional values down their throats.. shut the fuck up.
>three, who the fuck said that in the medieval times that they did this
I did, you're replying to the post where I said it. Holy fuck man..
>try growing a reading comprehension past the third grade
What an excellent advice. Have you considered exploring such unorthodox behavior?
>maybe you can come to understand when people are saying shit and when they aren't
What you're saying is fucking retarded. It has nothing to do with translation, your point is autistic.
>traditionalism puts emphasis on the man getting a job and getting a family, not becoming a fucking psychopath
Traditionalism is dead. Women can defend their own body and possesions without relying on on some caveman notion to run to the strongest man for protection. We, as a society, have created programs, such as the police department, to fuck traditionalism right in the ass.
Yeah it's not gonna happen sugarplum, and if I were you I wouldn't turn down easy sex like that because that's all you're gonna get considering you are mentally handicapped and maybe physically too if you went into hormone therapy.
You can't shame me. I'm shameless. I realize that you are accustomed to being able to ostracize men from your social pool by using similar shaming tactics, but those tactics don't work in an anonymous community, moron.
>>717610905 what the fuck are you talking about you god damn moron, who said that i followed traditional values? i'm just saying what traditional values are. see, this is why i called you autistic, you do nothing but assume.
why do you think that women in arab countries are in fucking cloaks? why do you think they dont fight for their independence? oh, that's right, because they know that they're weaker than men. what a big shocker.
>I did, you're replying to the post where I said it. oh right, you really are retarded.
>What an excellent advice. Have you considered exploring such unorthodox behavior? >when he thinks he's smart because he started talking in big words >pic fucking related fucking kek
>It has nothing to do with translation >pic related
>Traditionalism is dead >implying you know what everyone does with their lives >implying you're omniscient >implying that everyone follows what you follow >pic fucking related
in the medieval times, the knights were created to protect the fucking kingdom you absolute moron. and guess what, they also supported traditional values. how fucking dumb are you?
>>717611273 >I'm looking for somebody that is a husband material
What the fuck even is that. You watched too many Disney movie and it turned you into a woman. Now you want a charming prince that'll pay for all your shit and will fuck you like an animal. It's funny because you're basically so sexist that you changed your whole life thinking it would be better if you were a woman.
Nice job attacking my sexuality and my physical appearance. It really doesn't do you any favor considering your situation. Also your two assessments are false. I'm probably what you would consider ''husband'' material so it's even funnier that you think that those guys will ever want to be in a relationship with you. The best you'll have is what you probably call ''beta'' males and other trannies because it's the people that are the closer to your mentality.
>what the fuck are you talking about you god damn moron, who said that i followed traditional values?
I don't know where the fuck could I get that idea?
>but those families still saw traditional values >traditionalism puts emphasis on the man getting a job and getting a family >, they also supported traditional values
On that's right, maybe because you're dick riding traditionalism so hard that you fucking look attached. If you're not peddling traditionalism what the fuck is the point of bringing it up in conversation constantly? You just projectile vomit ideologies across just on a whim?
>why do you think that women in arab countries are in fucking cloaks? why do you think they dont fight for their independence? oh, that's right, because they know that they're weaker than men. what a big shocker.
Yeah.. they also have all the guns, education, and technology, you fucking retard. It's been proven time and time again that brains will always beat brawn. The age of the strongest man started declining since the first fucking arrow was shot.
>oh right, you really are retarded.
Thanks me too
I appreciate it, I worked really hard on that.
Nice meme, here's mine.
>implying you know what everyone does with their lives
>implying you're omniscient
Right, because there's no other way to get information aside from being everywhere.. must be hard being you.
>implying that everyone follows what you follow
Show me where I said that.
>pic fucking related
Damn, you really fucking like emojis huh.
>In the medieval times, the knights were created to protect the fucking kingdom you absolute moron. and guess what, they also supported traditional values. how fucking dumb are you?
And? What the fuck is the point of pointing that out? How the fuck does it relate to right now and the notion of women not being able to protect their own shit without a man? Holy fucking shit.
>>717596153 I broke up with my last gf back in october. she self-harmed and I discovered she was borderline. I met a new girl through college and I'm considering asking her out cos she's qt, we get along well and study/hang out often. she looks like a more homely version of pic related
>>717612961 No, I would try to get to know you first and see if we can be friends first. After that I let things flow smoothly. And no again, I wouldn't try to get into your pants in all honesty. This implies you wanting to get to know me.If not, then our roads would split. Simple as that.
>>717612810 No, you're not. As a man, your value as a human rests solely in your skill set an nowhere else because you don't have a womb.
The reason women are given priority on a sinking ship is because wombs are the limiting factor in human reproduction, moron. If a society loses a lot of men, the few men that survive can impregnate all of the women. If a society loses a lot of women, that society's ability to recover from that lose will a significant hardship.
You have no idea what it means to be treated as an object and you never will.
>>717613146 >P.S. Are you the original anon I was speaking to?
Nah just some random asshole.
>Most women really are not worth time or thought, even for the purpose of sex.
You're right, you gotta dig hard to find one but it's because you're probably in your 20s and girls at that age just want to get laid as much as possible before they have kids and settle for only one guy. If you're a guy that prefers to stay home and have a serious relationship you won't find any at that age. You'll have to wait for women in their 30s-40s, that's when they want to settle down.
So yeah, at that age your choices are, go get laid and don't get attached or wait it out.
>>717612965 i guess it means that I've ascended the red pill when I have the capability of saying "fuck you" then, huh?
>>717613072 >when he rides your dick so much he replies to every single line, including this one
lmao you still think i'm riding traditionalism's dick right after reading >>what the fuck are you talking about you god damn moron, who said that i followed traditional values? like how retarded are you? just because i'm saying what it is doesn't mean i support it. i'm just saying the truth about what it fucking is, since retards like you don't understand the simplest points of it
>The age of the strongest man started declining since the first fucking arrow was shot. >arabs are still a male dominant society its not like you're even being serious at this point but okay. i'll call you retarded once more.
>Census >implying there is a census on people's opinions k m8
>>In the medieval times, the knights were created to protect the fucking kingdom you absolute moron. and guess what, they also supported traditional values. how fucking dumb are you? >We, as a society, have created programs, such as the police department, to fuck traditionalism right in the ass. try putting one and two together
>>717613377 Women are given priority on a sinking ship, just likee everywhere else, because of unwarranted self-entitlement. Men are just as decisive as women in procreation, anon, and perhaps more so, because of their ability to impregnate rapidly, thus bringing more children to the world.
My personality degenerated the last two years, i have nothing to tell to anybody. I'm not interesting anymore in any ways. I don't exist anymore. Also have developed some intense personality disorders, fear, anxiety, depression, it's manifestating in my face. i look like hell is growing inside me.
Thinking about tindering or some shit at this state... damn its gonna get ugly and emberassing
1) I want to be able to provide for the woman I give my heart to, so I'm not as focused on relationships and more towards schooling and the family I already have.
2) I'm 21 and only been on my first actual date 4 months ago. It was pretty obvious that I felt something for this girl and she liked me too, but right now we're not at a point in our lives where we want to settle down in an exclusive relationship.
3) Realistically, I'm afraid of investing so much time and effort into someone and they don't even feel the same. If you want to be with someone, that's a risk you'll have to take. I'm not willing.
>>717613615 I can follow your logic to a certain extent, but women only seek a long-term relationship in mid life, or any age for that matter, for financial reasons, and for the purpose of being provided for, in general.
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