Why is this transgender/"gender fluid"/asexual bullshit a thing now? Where the fuck did it come from? Did someone make it up as a joke and the autistic fucking youth of 2016 think it was real? Help me understand
>>717559073 Autistic youth made this shit happen. They cut om their dicks or tape one on and expect their deep depression to change. But it doesnt. Doesnt matter what the fuck you tape on or cut off. You are still what you were born with.
I cant fucking FATHOM why people do this shit... like... these people must have legitimate delusions of grandeur. Everyone around them can see it and expresses it to them and they have the fucking nerve to think theyre an oppressed minority
One thing I can say is 4chan made me think I was kinda gay, watching trap porn and shit.. I know now that I am not gay and try to avoid traps and anything with dicks in it. Mostly all Solo Girls and masturbation stuff now or voyeur.
We need a unbiased group of psychologists to actually draw the line between actual sexuality and attentionwhoring, but my opinion is if they're using it as a way to be happier with themselves go ahead, if its to be important fuck off.
>>717559073 how they think. >be a man >want benefits of being a woman >wants to be treated special for looking nice by other guys >could literally be a pedophile with little to no consequence >get idea >say he is a she and call sexism and homophobia if disagreeing with him >people bite >in liberal extremists eyes, he is now a woman >only ones that see through him are the people that are not afraid of being called sexist or racist or homophobic >still a win
i have talked with many trans people to figure out if maybe I'm the wrong one. and i have asked with a open mind trying to understand, and i did. if you want you can be another gender. you are not born in the wrong body, you don't base it on physical and hormonal differences, it's about what you WANT that decides. it's retarded really. it's literally the same as saying that since you want to be a dog, you therefor are. this is not men and women not giving a fuck about gender rolles, but they actually try to be the opposite gender. it's like furies for gender only most furies know they are human acting like animals cause they think its funny. trans people act like the opposite sex because they think they are the opposite sex. sex change should be illegal.
>John William Money (8 July 1921 – 7 July 2006) was a psychologist, sexologist and author, specializing in research into sexual identity and biology of gender. He was one of the first scientists to study the psychology of sexual fluidity and how the societal constructs of "gender" affect an individual. His work has been both celebrated for its innovation and criticized, particularly in regard to his involvement with the discredited sex-reassignment of David Reimer and his eventual suicide. Money published around 2,000 articles, books, chapters and reviews. His writing has been translated into many languages. Money has received around 65 world-wide honors, awards, and degrees.
"Gender fluid is a gender identity which refers to a gender which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities. Their gender can also vary at random or vary in response to different circumstances."
>>717559073 You will like this short article: https://www.edge.org/response-detail/27191 tl;dr: Because gender was made up to replace sex, and when it didn't reflect reality, they made the concept more flexible to account for the inconsistencies. Eventually this grew into the stupid millenial ideas we have today.
It is seriously some of the most sexist shit I've ever heard.
You have a bunch of guys/girls claiming to know exactly what it's like to feel like a woman/man, respectively, when they literally have no frame of reference and couldn't possibly know what it's like to be the other.
Then they're claiming that certain things that they're into and certain feelings are what make them "feel" that way. Well, I'm not going to argue with your feelings, but I feel like you're either retarded or an attention whore. Of course that's none of my business unless you make it my business and most of these fucks are as annoying as vegans, people who do crossfit, and Texans.
If gender is not physical sex, and gender stereotyping is bad, then what is it to identify with a "gender"? What is it you're identifying with? It's not physical, and it's not literally anything else that makes up gender stereotypes, so what is it?
>>717561288 Yes anon, >>717560958 has something wrong with them (I wouldn't say crazy, though). However, both of you are wrong because gender was made up so that differences between the sexes can be blamed on socialization. >>717560958 is right that it has been studied, and there are notable structural and functional differences in the brain that can be observed, so dysphoria is a real thing. Surgery and hormonal treatment are still widely controversial though, because they won't necessarily help the individual feel any better about themselves.
>>717561772 I liked the idea of the sissy's being controlled, dominated "me" being powerful towards them. Just having that control was what got me, then I found that being a master is way better and the holes are sweeter and wetter.
>>717561658 Widely controversial? More like over 98 percent of psychs and endos with any qualifications whatsoever agree that they're the best approach, atleast that hormones are, surgeries are more controversial just because the surgeries are in their infancy, not because transitioning isn't good for the person..
There are a few people who genuinly believe they are in the wrong body thier entire life. Then there are the other 90%.
People who are mostly going through puberty with hormonal inbalances, they see no way of getting attention in thier lives and stumble across this. Its essentially a fettish that allowed a person who nobody gives a fuck about to get massive amounts of posotive attention.
Then after mutilating thier hormones to the point that things like erectile disfunction become likely they realize most of the world still dont give a fuck and they grow out of the trend. Only its already too late.
Its literally the new emo esque trend only you cant grow out of it
>>717562145 You have to jump through a lot of hoops to go through with it, because we want to be sure it will help them before carrying the permanent procedure of sex change. Surgery is controversial because about 20% of all people who go through a sex change regret their decision, so it's not necessarily an effective treatment.
>>717562944 >People who are mostly going through puberty with hormonal inbalances, they see no way of getting attention in thier lives and stumble across this. Its essentially a fettish that allowed a person who nobody gives a fuck about to get massive amounts of posotive attention. And here is the problem with conflating madeup words like 'gender' with real words like 'sex'. I think we should acknowledge a distinction between transgenders (transtrenders) and transsexuals (experience dysphoria).
The amount of closed-minded retard here is really awful. Not because you don't understand something mean you have to be like this. Worst thing about it, it's that Tumblr or Feminazi show you a fake / extreme version which is false.
>>717562944 If you seriously think that it's 90 percent that aren't trans then you're an idiot and spend way too much time on conservative news sites, also if you think that the only thing taking hormones does is give you erectile dysfunction you're fucking autistic.
>>717563470 Unfortunate, isn't it? Some transsexuals reject the label though, because they understand the dangers of conflating ideological terms with real science, and the effect it can have on people perceptions of trans people when special snowflakes hijack the label to feel special.
>>717559211 >People desperately trying to either be offended, special, or both. If you want to be special, put some effort into your life instead of claiming your sexuality is twelve different colours.
This anon gets it. Simply being gay is no longer fashionable these days, so these attention seeking morons have to invent all kinds of bullshit so they can feel special.
You will also notice that the most extreme ones simply are't happy with being some bullshit made up gender, they also have a shit ton of self diagnosed kondishuns and is an activist for any new shit that's cool to follow
It's clever really, because it means they can act like assholes AND play the victim at the same time
>>717564161 they make it functional as a vagina for sex and it cosmetically looks extremely similar if not identical, in practice it basically is a vagina that cant be used to give birth with very slight differences to that of a normal one. are you one of these autistic fucks who thinks girls and guys are made of different magic essence or some shit
>>717559073 really why it's "a thing" now is that it's always been a thing. people like that do what they do because they're happier that way, and living as whatever they were born as made them unhappy. people like that have always existed. but before now, most of them just lived miserable lives, probably a lot of them killed themselves, because there was no other option (practically speaking. there were plenty of transgender people through history, but it was less common to find people open about it). it's not just some fad, the reason that it seems like a new phenomenon is just that people are deciding to say fuck it, and do the thing that makes them happy, and that makes them visible, and that looks strange to people.
I have no dog in this fight, but please, sincerely, can't you try to start from empathy?
>>717564374 I know this is a bait thread but you all know you are wrong, a dick is a dick a vagina is a vagina. You can take pills to hid the fact you are a man or a women but the truth is what you come out of your mothers vagina you are.
I listed erectile disfunction as one of the effects, read what i said.
just look at how big its become. Its a fucking bandwagon mate, most trans would be onto some other social/sexual neiche by now to hide from the fact that life is too short to be worrying about this shit v
>>717563942 Gender dysphoria is an unfortunate label. It's nothing to do with social constructs. A better label would be sexual dysphoria. In real cases of dysphoria (particularly in adulthood, which is why treatment for teenagers and children is controversial), you will notice there are distinct differences in certain sexually dimorphic parts of the brain between controls and individuals who experience dysphoria. I think calling it sexual dysphoria is more accurate, in that case, and I believe we should reserve a different term for people that aren't actually transsexual. For example, you would recognise a difference between a transsexual and a transvestite, so why not transtrenders?
>>717559073 I don't get it either. Trannies are like 3-5% of the population, I've only seen a handful in my life. It's more an American thing tho. If it was up to me I'd make all bathrooms unisex, just because I like the sound of girls peeing.
>>717564451 did you just skip 8th grade biology or something, are you seriously so dense that you think that the only sex characteristic is the genitalia, and that one is made of something entirely different then the other
Regarding asexuality, I think that's a very old thing, but maybe now it has more attention. I wouldn't call myself asexual, but I just don't feel the need to have sexual contact, even when possible. I'm guessing some people simply don't feel it at all.
>>717559073 Cultural marxism addresses how these imerging ideologies are unavoidable. YouTube critical theory if you legitimately want an answer. Its still a theory, and it could be a justification to keep current societal norms for the sake of nostalgia.
>>717559073 My younger cousin thinks he's a chick. His mother literally paid fuck all attention to him until he started this shit (before that she mostly praised her other son for being sporty, despite the fact that he's borderline retarded)
Since then, she's spent much more time with him, so I'm assuming this bullshit is purely attention seeking, but to the point where they've convinced themselves they're something they're not
You need a grasp on reality. Look at the world around you look at what humanity has built and lost, greed, overpopulation real issues that good people face in silence And your biggest concern is convincing people who give 0 fucks that a gender specific organ does not define your gender.
The elephant in the room is that intersex people are real, their genitalia is somewhere in-between and are a lot more common than you would think. Also some cis-men are infertile and some cis-women cannot conceive (just like trans people). Even within biology there is so much diversity, we just choose to ignore it and pretend it isn't there.
>>717564863 instead of shittalking from a distance, why wouldn't you just ask your cousin about how they feel about it? why would your assumption be that it's all petty and manipulative like that? if your cousin is happier now than before, live and let live.
>>717564982 so you're talking about less than <0.01% of the population that to this day is still ignored? they have a real condition i can accept because it's genetic, unlike transgenders who just have a mental condition
>>717565103 gender isnt a social construct, the way society views gender is a construct of the neurological and psychological differences between men and women being exaggerated for political and financial purposes, but the differences are still meaningful for an individual and are there
Ok so your only gripe with my point is i dont have the official numbers? I bothered to take a look and there is no cencus so i can only go by what i see. I already stated this is opinion, the burden of proof is on you if you wish to present it as fact.
>>717565275 its just that the statistics on it havent changes in a meaningful way, you're the one asserting that there are more transgender people now or that its just now becoming a thing with no evidence, the burden of proof is clearly on you.
because homosexuality is a fashion trend that comes and goes. it's been like that through history.
it will never be mainstream or considered normal to be a homosexual deviant, but you will be socially accepted.
there's no reason what so ever to hate faggots as they pose no threat against normal men. >faggots aren't interested in women >faggots can't procreate normally >their contributions to society are limited
just accept them for what they are: degenerate people that has as much right to exist as you and me, after all, it's not like normal people don't practice degeneracy in the comfort of their own bedrooms
>>717565647 liking someone who's taken hormones to have breasts smoother skin hips large thighs and to look mostly like a woman and have a body closer if not the same as a woman makes you gay apparently
>>717559073 Honestly, this wasn't on anyone's radar until gay marriage became legalized. The left needed a new social crusade when they saw their old one wouldn't be able to be milked for any more pity votes, so they chose a new hill to die on
>>717560958 Humour me here, suppose you are transitioning from A to B, do you consider yourself to be B in the body of A?
If so by transitioning to B does this not imply that you are not truly B as the taking of hormones, surgery etc demonstrates that you have to make changes to be more B? Surely the act of transitioning demonstrates that you yourself consider the body and apperance that you give to be indicative of gender, and as becoming a true B is physiologically and genetically impossible, doing so will leave you as nothing more than a mutilated A?
If however you consider yourself to be A, why transition?
>>717565103 The brain can imagine a hella lotta crap, that doesn't make it real though. A lot of it is also just taking random feelings/thoughts/etc and trying to use it as a means of labeling yourself some make up gender (i.e. if you have no sexual desire, you're not "asexual", you're just a male or female that happens to not care about sex). Society's problem in all this is vetting these make believe "genders" and encouraging people to believe the lies. A 3 year old can run around the yard flapping his/her arms saying, "I'm an eagle!" and it can be fun pretending for little while, or you can keep telling that kid, "Yep, you're an eagle" the rest of his/her life till he/she can function as an adult and may even jump to their death thinking they could fly.
Science and religion finally agree on something (that there are only 2 genders), but somehow it's still a fucking issue because of the screwed up minds that can't distinguish fantasy from reality, and the political asshole that think they can take advantage of those people.
>>717566213 http://transascity.org/the-transgender-brain/ this compiled alot of peer reviewed studies info, it includes examples of the differences between men and womens brains. honestly are people this uneducated, this should be common knowledge.
>>717565132 He feels worse now from what I've heard. I don't talk because he gets bullied enough as it is in school, and I don't want to make him kill himself (he's about 12 so idk how he'd take it if I just said 'so is the whole shemale act just to get your mum's attention').
I still think they shouldn't get to pick their names. When I was 12 I wanted to be called volcano, but I never told anyone this factoid because it's fucking autistic to want people to call you volcano, and I was smart enough to know I'd get bullied for it
>>717559073 Transgenderism has been around for thousands of years and is mostly the result of people wishing they were born as the opposite sex.
Gender fluidity is just people not quite realizing that they can dress however the fuck they please as adults and that gender, when not explicitly tied to biological sex, is a useless concept.
Asexuality is a lack of sexual desire for other people, which is often "fuck bitches get money" people who just don't care enough to get a partner because their work is more important to them but has recently attracted a bunch of fucking faglords who wanna pretend they're virgins because they're asex to justify not improving themselves.
>>717566308 a mental disorder is a malfunctioning of the brain, a developmental mishap in this case is having a functioning brain that doesnt match the anatomy for the practical functioning of your life, i.e a female brain in a male body.
You know what else is bullshit? Pansexuality. You aren't pan- you're bi. There are two genders. If you're attracted to the opposite you're straight, to the same, you're gay, and to both, you're bi. Simple as that. Straight guys don't like dicks, straight girls don't like vagina.
I can't claim to be straight if I like girls with dicks. I can't claim to be bi if I do, but I don't like guys with dicks. Its pretty fucking simple.
>>717566676 because you can base it off of psychology, the neurological differences lead to psychological differences which we can more easily diagnose then doing a scan on someone's brain which is much more difficult
>>717566674 >believes cultural marxism isnt real >believes islam is a religion of peace >is the 99% >thinks black lives matter >thinks trump is literally hitler >thinks russia is the devil >thinks europe is socialist paradise that doesn't have 20-year old oncological treatment options as the norm >thinks his facebook page matters
>>717566773 need help carrying around the assumptions mate? also saying cultural marxism makes no sense, marxism is only concerned with economics, how the fuck can you be a cultural marxist, its like being a cultural keynesian, it makes no sense.
You stated the statistics on it have not changed, please post them, i would genuinley like to see them.
As for the proof thing. You can say/theorise what you like, if you want to call it fact then the burden of proof comes in. You are the only person to suggest factually knowing the numbers, i said what i think from my own experiences
To be or not to be a faggot is the question! I don't care if a trans person thinks they are female they aren't and I am surely tell you and straight man will agree your a fucking faggot if you fuck a man in the butthole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF19XWWyREE
>>717566533 I said it was a defect of the sexually dimorphic areas of the brain (there are sexually dimorphic areas, rather than there being a strictly 'male/female' brain; i.e. there are structural and functional differences, namely a difference in grey-matter volume and cerebral blood flow during certain activities). I probably should have said 'anomaly' instead of 'defect'.
>>717566906 just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense nigger. I'm not even the poster you're replying to, but you're literally saying "because i don't understand it, it must not be real".
>>717566750 so you're saying that simply asking questions to someone is enough to determine the physical characteristics of their brain I'd like some evidence backing this up because your article certainly doesn't mention it
>>717566674 I don't see how you can treat a brain by talking. Sure, it's interesting to get a feel of how your typical person thinks, but too many milennials see head doctors these days, all because a bunch of movies and shows say shit like 'it's fine to see a shrink', even though there's no real scientific basis for any of the diagnoses or treatments.
>>717566674 Not the other anon, but some psychology is SJW. Sometimes certain hypotheses are 'preferred', and since a large amount of psychology uses small sample sizes and unreliable frequentist statistics, a study can very easily support whatever hypothesis you want it to.
>>717567203 I have no idea what you're talking about, but also no: grey matter volume changes through growth and development, and as a result of drugs or alcohol or addiction or depression or pretty much anything. Neuroscience is complicated.
>>717566744 no it would be pseudo science if it ever claimed to prove anything. The scientific method doesn't really allow for anyone following it to find actual proof. Part of every psychological study is the part where they break down everything that was wrong or that could be improved about their study..
>>717567286 like the anti transgender retard who did a study on one person, gave them pimozide, they became a fucking zombie and didnt think about their gender dysphoria, or about anything, and retards cite it to make an anti trans point all of the time, like that?
>>717567286 other anon, I disagree. I studies psy for quite some years. It's as legit as it can get when studying something as fickle as humanity. But it does get misused often by faggots who only want to push their own agenda and increase their better than thou status
>>717559073 I cant fucking stand that gender fluid shit, it something mentally unstable subjects has come up with it, because it somehow helps them feel better about themself. Im actually fine with that, let them do their gender shit if it helps. WHAT I CANT FUCKING STAND is thesee mentally ill people want the rest of the world to accept this and make it part of reality, THIS CANNOT FUCKING HAPPEN and it shall never be accepted into reality.
>>717559073 We're in a state of social degradation, thanks to jewish liberal media/political agenda. First it was homosexuality. Then transsexuality. Neither is new, both were wrong and now they expect everyone to accept these as a norm.
But gender fluid is just something made up by the youth of LGBT and feminist people. They want to reduce meaning of gender so it would matter less who fucks who or what. In my humble opinion, it's bullshit. Thinking you're something other than your physical gender oughta be a mental condition and should be treated as such. Good evidence of this is the alarmingly high suicide rate of post-op trannies.
>>717567589 There's a lot of bias in the collection of the data, and the statistical models aren't very complicated (and there's far too much reliance on p-values). I've learned that psychologists have recently moved to bayesian statistics and are taking advantage of clinical measures and machine learning, and this will certainly help to improve it.
>>717567524 Cultural bias in the tests plays a big part, although nig nogs are clearly more retarded. Even my teachers admitted that. then again I studies in Europe at a more conservative Uni, even if there were plenty SJW faggots there too.
I'm trans and you are all fucking ignorant as hell. No doctor should be allowed to tell a newborn what gender it is. It's up to THEM, not some dumbass in a sterilized room. Personally I'm a girl transitioning to become a man and let me tell you babes, I am fucking KILLING the game. My little tic tac has already begun to sprout and god damn is it cute... soooo TBQFH all of you have to get educated... because CLEARLY you're all not fully equipped to speak on this subject. I am, and trust, I'm not crazy, just different (:
Assigned male or female at birth only applies to intersex people who have had surgery soon after birth to have their genitals look only male or female. AKA sexual assignment surgery. Not because you [i]feel[/i] like the opposite sex. They labeled you female because that's what you ARE and will ALWAYS BE. No amount of hormones will ever give you a fully functioning penis. No amount of lying to yourself will change the fact that you're a woman.
>>717568529 There's so many more pressing ducked up shit to worry about, runaway greenhouse, war, poverty, famine ect. And people like you are getting triggered atbathroom signs. Kill yourself. No one gives a fuck what you identify as.
>>717560748 What I honestly don't understand is when people become "genderliquid" or trans, they are thereby affirming that gender isn't a social construct, but something engrained inside of them. Which contradicts their normal narrative. You know the: >there is no such thing as boy toys or girl toys, or girl things or boy things. >I'm a girl who likes boy things. Therefore must be a boy on the inside. >get over it.
What worries me, is that while other people do have the concrete mental illness that comes from a hormone imbalance which causes them to believe they are a different sex on the inside, many people are claiming transgender and whatever the fuck, based upon the fact that they liked cars growing up instead of dolls, or dolls instead of cars or whatever the fuck, and they FUCKING mutilate their genitals for shit like this. >met someone who was transgender who based her reasoning upon the fact that she didn't "much care for makeup, or stuff lolz." What the fuck.
Sleep with whomever you want to sleep with, it's fine. I don't fucking care.
...but you are born with a penis (man) or a vag (woman).
Who you want to fuck has nothing to do with your "gender". Gender is a biological condition.
If you have penis and you like to suck dick and wear womans clothing, you're still a man. You're just gay. If you like men and woman, you aren't "gender fluid", you are still a man, you are just bisexual.
TLDR; THere is no "fluid" or "alternate gender", What they are really doing is declaring who they like to fuck. WHO CARES?
>>717566257 Sexuality is different to gender. Sexuality is based on what you're attracted to, gender and sex are what you are. You can be homosexual, asexual, be attracted to animals or even rocks but it doesn't change the fact that you are born male. This agender transgender bigender bullshit is the made up stuff. You are either male, female or a hermaphrodite. That's it.
>>717572546 Thank you, anon. I also believe they can call themselves whatever they like as long as they keep it for themselves and don't get offended. This is actually the whole damn point, if you don't play their game of pretending, they rage.
Also today i wondered how for example a genderfluid/non-binary/fuckmyasswhatgender teacher wants to be called by sutdents if they don't wanna go by Mister or Miss?
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