So let me get this straight. Trump supporters actually believe that powerful Russian hackers did not alter our election, BUT they believe that migrant workers who pick fruit and cut grass for a living were able to circumvent election laws on a mass scale.
Let them have their 4 years. Trump barely squeaked by in the election, he lost popular vote, and the results are questionable at best due to Russian hacking, which has tarnished his win.
He's going to be worse than Bush, and unfortunately we all have to suffer. This will however be the final nail in the coffin of the republican party, which will never have legitimacy again after this bullshit.
>>717467037 I voted trump, but i think both theories are plain shit. But i will say that there are places in the usa that have every lax laws when it comes to voter registration and voter identification for in person voting. I mean, come how hard is it to demand that people show a government issued id at the time of voting. And how bad would it be to demand a government issued ssn card and a birth certificate at the time of getting said id...
I have mixed feelings about the voter registration thing. But basically I agree - asking someone to provide an ID when voting shouldn't be a big deal.
>>717469233 shut up. Bush fucked things up so badly, it isn't even funny. Even republicans ended up hating that guy, because they realized he was just another big govenment corporate energy cock sucker
>>717469392 No one says the russians "hacked the election" - but they clearly did hack both the DNC and RNC, and chose to release damaging info about the DNC. You need to wake up and realize that happened. We can argue about whether or not that was enough to push Trump into the presidency.
BTW, you whining little cuck, those meme arrows work both ways
>Trump losing in all polls >Says he won't accept any election results where he doesn't win >makes up lies about voter fraud >Wins election and complains when opponent does exactly what he was going to do
>Claims Hillary is bought by the banks and corrupt >Has to settle lawsuit where he defrauded millions of dollars from regular joe's >Brags donating to politicians for preferential treatment >Writes a book that talks about how to lie to people to get what you want >Immediately works to repeal banking restrictions >Immediately appoints goldman sachs bankers to his new admin
Hillary supporters actually believe that Trump is in bed with the russians. Even though Hillary sold off 20% of US uranium PRODUCTION to the russians?
Seems kinda funny to me.
Also, it's not circumventing voting laws, it's taking advantage of the lack of oversight in places like California where you don't need an ID to vote. So anyone, even me, from Canada, can go on vacation to Cali and vote for whoever I want.
>is mad that the DNC got hacked >isn't mad that bernie got literally fucked out of the nomination >of course
>meme arrows >meme >arrows
Hello, newfriend. Welcome to /b/. Looks as though you've come from Reddit, probably the hillary subreddit. Do us all a favor and stop watching Facebook videos and start actually looking at the facts instead of blindly believing everything you watch.
But you see newfriend, if Hillary won, there would be no recount effort. There would be no countless news stories about how "trump should have won" nor the blantant fucking media bias towards the left. Yet, you cucks have nothing to say about that. "Oh, she was the better candidate". Trump spent 23% percent of what she spent on her campaign, Trump also heavily funded his own campaigns. Wanna know where Hillary got all of that money?
Saudis, George Soros, Celebrities, etc. All under the guise of the "Clinton Foundation", it's funny how the news won't talk shit about Hillary being funded by a country that doesn't give basic rights to their own women, yet, they want to talk about equality in America.
Top. Fucking. Kek.
>defrauded millions of dollars >defrauded >implying settling means you lost >implying he didn't want to bankrupt them in lawyer costs >implying every contractor that he hires is perfect and will do perfect work >implying trump can do anything before he even is in office >HURRRR HES ALREADY THE WORST PRESIDENT >isn't even in office yet
You can't even make this shit up, keep sucking that liberal dick you fucking cuck. We won. Get over it faggot.
>>717470672 Yet they can't provide any proof. Their 13 page was a joke that's been debunked by several tech sites. Heck, it even came with a disclaimer that basically said this could all just be bullshit.
>>717467037 Alter election, no. Influence election, yes.
They were able to hack into private email servers and release real, albeit embarrassing and humiliating information that hurt dems. (Just imagine if it had been, oh, I don't know, national security secrets. *cough cough* told you so *cough cough*)
Meanwhile, undocumented and documented migrant workers DO have the ability under the current system due to lack of proof required for both in person and absentee/early voting systems due to lack of adequate policing of rules that are in place.
So let me get this straight. Trump haters actually believe that powerful Russian hackers altered our election, BUT they refuse to believe that migrant workers who pick fruit and cut grass for a living were able to circumvent election laws on a mass scale.
>>717471241 But if you want to be a baby and say someone won the "popular vote" padding numbers in any state is going to give you that.
Sure, it's not going to win the election, because some very smart people put the electoral college in place to prevent certain problems. But we have to get rid of it. Because Hillary should have won. Right? Did I get that right? That's what they think... right?
Oh no they will. The secret service does NOT, ever fuck around. If you openly make a death threat aganist Trump on social media just like all of these cucks have been doing you'll get a visit within a few hours.
>>717467037 Here's the thing about Trump - he's serving his supporters a big plate of shit and says it's chocolate, and they lap it up and ask for more.
They know it's shit. He spreads his crusty ass cheeks and shits right in front of their eyes, then holds the plate under their nose so they can smell his shit. And he looks them right in the eye, swears it's chocolate, and they eat it up all over again.
>>717471291 Fun fact. Obummer, before Syria, said this to the people.
Paraphrased: "I talked with Putin. Putin's a good guy. Putin agrees that we need to invade Syria so that we remain strong in the eyes of the world"
Would love someone to find the video of that. Holy shit did it make me laugh. And holy shit would it make me laugh at the butthurt liberals when they see it after they claim Trump being in bed with Russia.
Non-citizens voting = definitely illegal. Directly influenced the results. Encouraged by Democrats.
Non-citizens hacking = illegal, but not illegal where they come from. Democrats accept that excuse is cases where it will help their supporters. Did not directly influence the result. Only provided information to voters. (Democrats are pissed they couldn't control this information.) Unlikely this changed many votes; the main result was that Sanders supporters didn't bother to vote for Clinton.
>>717471586 maybe people should just kill themselves instead of being worthless faggots - that way we can make room for the rest of us who put in work and don't bitch for every inch.
complaining isn't work.get a job OP it's not hard, just peel your fat feminist ass off your rotten computer chair and just deal with the fact that this is reality, get out of your fat person house and go to work and pay some fucking taxes and shut the fuck up. or kys. but please stop being a pussy ass faggot whiny little bitch. you are pathetic.
>>717470621 >Hillary supporters actually believe that Trump is in bed with the russians. Even though Hillary sold off 20% of US uranium PRODUCTION to the russians?
That isn't quite accurate. Multiple government agencies approved that deal, and it wasn't "selling off". It was allowing a Russian owned company based in Toronto to mine Uranium in the US. This doesn't impact us strategically, and was also done at time when the US and Russia were on relatively good terms. Once Russia moved to annex Crimea, shot down a civilian jet liner, etc - things changed.
>>717471000 ok, first of the all CIA/ FBI / NSA don't work for you. It isn't their job to provide proof to you. If they say it happened, along with multiple independent agencies - I'm going to believe it happened.
>>717470761 You know I would have taken Assanges word for something a few years ago, but not now. He clearly timed his releases to provide maximum impact for Trump. For example, if he had leaked the DNC email just a week earlier, Bernie might have won. If he had leaked them a month earlier, Bernie definitely would have won.
It was obvious from the very beginning that Guccifer2.0 was a state sponsored (Russian) agent.
Sorry, but it is true. You can believe whatever you want, and I'm sure you will find plenty of people telling you different, but that is the real deal.
Personally I don't think the leaks were as damaging as how Hilary's team handled things, but w/e.
If you really think that Assange is an unbiased source of information, you should review his latests statements - including some pro-Trump ones.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Julian end up with asylum in Russian embassy.
>>717471922 She didn't sell uranium. She sold US uranium PRODUCTION. Sold off US mining companies to RUSAtom.
All while secretary of state. If some anon would be so kind as to post the hour long documentary on all the pay to play shit Hillary has been involved in since the beginning of her term as secretary of state, that would be great.
>still blaming leaks >could give a fuck less about trump leaks >DNC leaks HURRR ITS A CONSPIRACY WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT TO HER SHE DID NOTHINTG WRONG SHES A SAAINT SHE HAS HER OWN FOUNDATION AND EVERYTHING
Keep in mind bud that Killary...I mean Hillary spent 1.2 billion and still lost. That's 1,200,000,000 dollars and she still fucked up. Her campaign was garbage, pandered to minorities, insulted Trump voters, flat out didn't visit certain states because she thought she had those states in the bag regardless, had zero campaign slogans that stuck (even though she tried like 40 of them, Hillary for prison was a better slogan than anything she could come up with.
Then the media, which obviously shilled SO hard for Hillary just kept insulting republicans and white voters and thought the dems would still get the vote. Fucking really?
for all we know they just throw away popular votes and electoral votes and the person reading the count just decides who the president should be.
can you prove that isn't the case? show proof your system even works the way it should. you can't prove anything in american politics unless with some admission of guilt. otherwise it's all hearsay and speculation on paper and practical application.
go fucking do something else with your time folks you guys are fucking boring and pathetic.
>>717472140 The CIA lies to the American people and the rest of the world all the time. It's kinda their job. Why should I just take their word for it? Especially, when there are so many more reputable sources saying they're full of shit.
>>717467037 >alter your election >the internal leak from the DNC simply showed what a lying, bought and paid for by banks and corporations, fuck the people kind of candidate Hillary was. Get a grip you. Had the DNC been impartial, Sanders would have been the Dem candidate and would be in the WhiteHouse. As it is they fucked up royally and the world now has to deal with the fallout of the man-child Donald. Way to go, USA.
>>717470465 >he hasn't made any mistakes fuckwad. So he meant to fuck things up during operation fast and furious and the arming of the Syrian rebels who formed ISIS? /pol/ would probably agree with you there.
>>717474171 And? That'll get the dumb people to vote. Take a look north of the border. It can work. Even though in reality it doesn't work for the people. Just to win the election. Because that's all that's important.
>>717472140 Assange just provides actual facts and truth to the people. Who those facts help is irrelevant. He provides us truth, Governments, politicians and the military industrial complex provide us lies.
I don't care that Russian hackers exposed emails. It's insane to assume that numerous foreign powers wont be doing this for years to come and we're going to have to adapt to it. What I care about is the content of the emails that were released and there's been very little in the way of refuting that. As far as I can tell this is a case of one sides dirty laundry being aired in public prior to an election. Next time expect both sides to have something similar happen.
It's the way things work now. Either do a better job of protection your private correspondence or don't put anything in an email you don't want voters using to decide you're a cunt.
And yeah, illegal aliens vote. There are between 11 million and 30 million illegals in the US. They vote in California and in New York and they do so in far greater numbers than you think. We're lucky if only 3 million of them voted.
>>717468953 Wait, you want to spend more tax $ to have the government, you feel is corrupt, to issue IDs because government voting areas need to see said IDs to allow votes to stop people from getting around the system and voting extra? Also, voter fraud is a statistical 0% so you just want to waste tax money and keep people from voting. Got it.
>>717475197 Damn straight. Letting the people see what a lying bunch of cunts the politicians are is the only way. Unfortunately the people seem to ignore the facts and listen to the spinning of the stories.
>>717468953 Hurr durr voter id requirement is racist because some races are too retarded to get an id but are otherwise capable of registering to vote. The only politicians who say this shit are threatened that they'll lose their fradulent edge
>>717467037 lol no. Even if you blame the Russians for the DNC email leaks, we should be thanking them not condemning them. The emails were confirmed legit, not disinformazia, so what they did was blow the lid off an actual scandal. Now the media is pushing the narrative that this lid-blowing was a worse scandal than the scandal that it uncovered.
Did the DNC leak affect the election? Absolutely. Fortunately. Did Russian hackers affect the vote total directly? No. Information changed which way people decided to vote. Is there something wrong with Russia exposing corruption in the DNC? Maybe, but if you take that stance that they shouldn't interfere with our government by supplying truth then you have to explain why it's okay for us to interfere with dozens of other governments by supplying weapons to rebel factions seeking to overthrow their governments violently (*cough*Syria*cough*).
>>717475505 That's how it's done. Imply my only motive for posting is my fictional sad, lonely life. >You're really good at replying, Anon. >And at turning the tables so you look really good and I don't. >You're really good.
>>717467037 Not sure but Trump did a deal with Ford wich that job sucks balls, told the senate to fuck off, wants you to cut his lawn what an absolute madman probably he is gonna get whacked like JFK. nobody wants to pick up fruit, also have you seen how fucking hard is to make a vehicle? that shit is hard and heavy fuck that he is gonna fuck up the U.S so bad.
>>717475673 >doesn't understand how russian disinformation campaigns work.
that would be fine and dandy if you could take those emails at face value, and believe 100% of what was in them. unfortunately this is not the case. when running a disinformation campaign you always sprinkle in some lies with the truth to confuse those who you are attacking. this is exactly what was done.
>>717476500 Because it's stupid to allow tourists to vote.
Okay, I'll put it another way. Russians interfering in the election is the worst thing ever! Pretty sure it would be worse if they physically came to the US and voted LEGALLY in your election. Would you be okay with Russians coming to the USA to vote and influence the election directly? Or any group for that matter.
>>717476108 Bollocks. Hillaries emails show we are being lied to on an industrial scale. A politician needs a 'public and private position' on matters, do they? How else are they going to keep shafting the people for the benefit of the corporations, war machine and banks?
>>717476346 This is true, but ideally you can shift through the crap. This is what people will/did do.
I firmly believe that more information is never a bad thing, so long as there is some hope of filtering inaccurate info out, and people don't put too much stake in the accuracy of something that hasn't been vetted.
>>717476268 >>717476433 I meant the truth of the post I linked to, not the picture. If politicians and governments are consistently lying to the people then it's a fucking SERVICE to leak the truth to us. I don't give a fuck who did it. I thank them for exposing the lies and manipulations of the political class.
>>717475963 >Why did we kill Saddam again? In the words of George Herbert Walker Bush IV: "That man tried to kill my daddy."
Here's the full story, though: >two planes hit the WTC >apparently attack masterminded by former CIA strategist >so we go looking for this Afghani CIA puppet >U.S.:"Hey, Iraq, we think you might be hiding our former puppet from us. Since we've already trampled all over your sovereignty with these nuclear/biological/chemical weapons searches, mind if we look around for this guy too?" >THEM:"Are you fucking stupid? I hate him even more than I hate you. Why would I hide him from you? Fuck off." >U.S.:"Of course you realize....THIS MEANS WAR" So we kicked the shit out of Iraq because dammit we needed to kick the shit out of SOMEBODY and they probably deserved it.
Except when it was all over, not only did we not find Osama in Iraq, we didn't find any nuclear/biological/chemical weapons either. And even though "SADDAM'S WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" was on the cover of every newspaper for months at the start of the war, the story where we admitted we didn't find anything was a small paragraph on page 3 because the big important headline was "OH MY FUCKING GOD A BASEBALL PLAYER CORKED HIS BAT"
Oh, and by the way, we actually removed a shitload of troops from Osama's homeland to relocate them to Iraq in the process of all this.
>>717468115 >and the results are questionable at best due to Russian hacking
As the hacks were distributed via freedom of speech, and were not denied as false, this doesn't really invalidate anything. If anything, it "wasn't fair" due to the Republicans being largely unaffected. I'm sure they had plenty of embarrassing stuff they didn't want out.
Like, oh, I don't know, years of Trump's tax returns?
By your own logic, and compulsion to respond, you would be living the sad, lonely life. Are you really replying to yourself, Anon? Are you just projecting? Is this just your desperate cry for help and/or attention? Your tired, generic, one lined posts lack any kind of intelligence and would indicate a lack of any energy in your life. The lack of capitalised letters would indicate an absence of self respect. Are you unloved, Anon? Isn't it really obvious why? Do you crave human contact of any kind? Isn't that why you keep up the charade? I feel for you, Anon. How many times did you consider suicide this week while lit by the cold, blue light of your computer screen?
>Just kidding, Anon. >I look forward to your witty retort.
Sorry to put it down for you: 1 USA is losing its power 2 China, Russia, India, Brazil (enemies) are geting stronger 3 EU is capitalist shit with money but NO influence and NO military (EU citizen) and it is in crize over imigrants etc.... 4 Russia showed teeth "if you wanna war, lets do it", everyone was scared like fuck, no one will war with USA and Russia 5 Biggest USA friend is out of EU Outcome: Economic/military aliance between Russia/China/NK/Brazil and maybe India. NATO is weaker than you think, only relevant player in NATO is USA and its losing its game. USA will not be No1 in few years and it will not bring democracy, they already stop them (Russians only agains WHOLE NATO). Eastern side will be 2-3x stronger than it is now, west is going to fail a litlle bit, enough to be No2 player on global scene. It could end in war with Russia China India NK USA France UK Germany....nuclear war offcourse because no one want to be inferior while he was much much superior in last century (exlude USSR that was super power). My point is, USA is falling down, it will not hit the ground but it will be normal country like Canada or Australia, nice standard, living conditions and not that much power over others!
>>717470266 >Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
>>717475673 dozens? try fucking thousands. lets not forget the shit they have done in south america, fucking beyond criminal... thx cia and fbi. now you expect people to believe your bs conspiracy theories
>>717467037 >powerful Russian hackers hmm sounds like you got big ol' rusky dick in yo mouth >migrant workers circumvent election laws ya they'll pretty much do anything for a dollar, but whose paying them?
>>717467037 don't bother with facts. Trump voters don't have any use for them. "I hear things" and "fox news says so" are all they understand. Making shit up and calling it the truth is what's in fashion these days.
>>717467037 Those migrant workers were able to avoid our immigration laws, and laws against welfare fraud, so they are well capable of getting around voting laws. It is not at all unusual for criminals to engage in more than one type of crime.
>>717467037 So let me get this straight. We will hear Hillary supporters crying for the next four years. The Russians did not alter our election. Hillary did that all on her own with her friendly charm. Also I did not vote for Trump either. I am an Independent who actually votes for Independent parties. Your two parties have been screwing the nation long enough.
The problem with American politics was the corruption, politicians getting aid off by corporations and fucking over the people.
Now, the guy who was supposed to drain the swamp took out the middle men, and put the billionaires directly into power. They cant understand your life, they can't relate to it, and you are going to lose your shirt while they earn more than ever.
if you dont think trump is a bomb to the establishment/mainstream media then youre just a mindless retard. Whether or not trump makes america great again, we are in for change. And thats exactly what we need. All we need to hope for is that baboonbama doesnt shit everything up with this MUH RUSSIA garbage >pic very related
>>717478209 Russia is not your friend. The guy who used to lead the KBG isn't incompetent, and a Trump win for them was a huge deal. They also have one of the top intelligence agencies in the world, so dismissing that they interfered is kind of shortsighted.
Did they literally hack the election? No. They may have leaked the emails though, and considering the metric ton of shitty past dealings donald trump has, the fact wikileaks published exactly zero on him is pretty fucking insane.
5 bucks says Julian Assange gets a pardon by Trump for what he did.
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