Celeb threads aren't the Cancer of 4chan, this troll thread bullshit is. If you DO reply to this idiocy, just type 'nokosage' in the option field. OP is trying to bait normal people into replying by starting an argument. Ignore him. He's never even been to the United States, and doesn't know what he's talking about.
Because guns are not the root cause of the problem. If we banned them we would simple have a "knife" problem or a "basball bat" problem.
So rather then go full retard and ban guns we let our law abiding population defend themselves with the best measures they can... a fucking gun.
Any stupid monkey can tell you if you take away guns that there is going to be a lot less "gun violence". however if you are capable of basic thought process you will look at what happens to the overall rate of crime after guns have been taken out of the equation.
The opposition to additional gun control isn't a failure to acknowledge there is a gun problem. There is already substantial regulation of guns, but these laws are not enforced, particularly against those who commit violent crimes. Additional regulations would only be enforced against the law-abiding.
the government says it's a gun problem, in reality it's a poverty problem. well-fed well-employed citizens don't go looting and robbing. Britain tried banning steak knives for this reason and look how it turned out. You have to give people a reason to go legit.
>>717429922 I am an Amerifag, and there is a serious problem. In fact, most 'Muricans I know say there's a problem. I'm not sure where you're getting your information at about Amerifags not admitting to a problem.
>>717430347 I don't think minute is the word you're looking for mate.
>"About 41% of the homicides worldwide occurred in 2012 with the use of guns, 24% with sharp objects such as knife, and 35% by other means such as poison. The global conviction rate for the crime of intentional homicide in 2012 was 43%."
>>717432010 Do you really think our criminals on the streets will miraculously change their ways and turn in their guns upon a ban? The # of criminals here is innumerable, and the count in Europe is diminutive compared to ours, Eurofag.
>>717432204 That sucks your nation is so piss poor boring that you have to take an interest in other nations politics to be entertained. I can't imagine how shitty your nation must be. My condolences dood >>717432210 >thread about an internal national issue >mah team America epic may may Yurocucks can't even be consistent. Fuck it must suck to not be American and just be bitter as Fuck. Waking up everyday. Knowing there's a whole nation of people that comparatively, make your life look like shit.
>see facts about guns >they hurt my feelings so ill just ignore them >i dont think they are really facts so i can say they are just made up bullshit >let me dig up an artical that lumps all "gun deaths" including suicides and justified shootings is as "gun murders" and ill act superior!
because there's also a rampant government problem and to "admit" there's a gun problem is to make the government problem even worse since if they can take their guns from them they've pretty much given up
The point isn't that you can win pitched battles against a professional army with all its ordinance, as a rag-tag citizens' militia with small arms. The point is that you CAN FIGHT. You can bleed them. When they come patrolling through your neighborhood, you might be able to take a couple of the fuckers with you. Hell, you might even be able to run away and do it again; they couldn't engage in endless "manhunts" for everyone who resisted them. They'd never feel safe and there could be shooters behind any window.
Of course, they COULD call in the artillery and air-support and level your neighborhood, sure. What would this get them though? Well, it would piss a lot of people off when innocents died and play into the hands of rebels. It would make a lot of the soldiers in that professional military seriously consider whether they were doing the right thing or not. Finally, it would simply kill people, and NO ONE wants to rule a nation of corpses.
The aim of a tyrant is to control, not to kill. What they want is to be able to have militarized police & gestapo point guns at people and cow them into submission to whatever dictates they want to impose. If citizens are instead waiting behind their doors and ready to shoot first when the jackbooted thugs come around, they've already failed.
So, the point is to fight. If you resist, you're not being controlled, and you're also undermining attempts to control others who can't or won't fight. Yes, you might die, of course. However, that's why Patrick Henry said what he famously said, more or less.
"As long as people can resist, they can be free, and tyrants can never succeed." When you're talking about using swords, knives and clubs against modern military weapons though, it ACTUALLY becomes pointless, because you can't bleed them at all. They'll just shoot you with beanbags, rubber, water cannons, microwave guns and other submission devices.
>>717433136 >oh shit, I'm angry, better start calling him a liberal and typing in caps, that will show him.
>even if you ban guns the people with malicious intentions will not turn them in Australia 'banned' guns 21 years ago, haven't had a mass shooting or terrorist attack since. Hypotheticals about how bad people will still conjure up ways to hurt others are irrelevant as there is no evidence whatsoever to reinforce that claim. >inb4 Nice. That's one incident
Surely you can see the problem here, what if a politcal party tried to take military action like some of the countries that you've helped arm? I'm sure the Colombian government is riveted that FARC rebels can freely arm themselves in their American built capitalist landscape. What happens when actual terrorists start operating in America and not these attention seeking fanatics. Will you be happy you've kept the firearms flowing?
Everyone always tries to whittle it down to "criminals will just use knives if guns are banned". But what if we round up instead of down? What if the UN passed a treaty saying "all right Bois bombs are back on the table" surely you'd say there's no need for them in this climate and making them available is explicitly advertising their use. The same way that being able to obtain guns easily is an excuse in itself to use it.
>>717433283 The Orlando shooter had two separate government issued gun licenses, one to carrying public, and one a professional carry license. He passed multiple background checks. In any nation, regardless of even the most strict gun laws, he would have been legally allowed to own and carry guns.
>>717433550 I think I mentioned this before, you obstinate fuck, but the people here are different than there. Last time I checked, Australia never had gangbangers on the streets who steal and kill with near impunity, did they?
And before you condescend me again and say "hurr that's only a small minority try again", those types of people are responsible for 10x more gun deaths than every annual mass shooting.
>>717433474 But you guys have guns and still have the massacres. More than most other places. While you're waiting for some gypo to shoot up an Italian cinema it's happening in your country all the time and usually the people to stop it aren't gun carrying eagle loving citizens it's the fucking police like everywhere else.
Where is this idiotic society that you cents keep talking about? Why aren't your lax gun laws beating the bad guys?
>morons vote in a literal weasel in 1995 >ausfags get cuckolded by two special forces soldiers pretending to be a "schizophrenic surfer" in 1996 >"hey, let's hand over our guns!" later that year >strayans are now becoming increasingly powerless due to their stupid fucking gullibility >"lil' johnny" proceeds to bend them over and give them a big old fucking over the next 11 years >the public education system becomes a mess >the aged care system becomes a mess >the mental health system becomes a mess >many farmers who faced the worst drought in Australia's history, commit suicide because the government withdrew subsidies needed to help get them through it >opposition government is voted in >they're no better >2013, the most hilariously-inept "leader" in the history of the world is voted in >he's an ex-boxer >he stutters in public >his programming is often glitchy >he's broken promise after promise >there are still strayans who defend him >THEY STILL DEFEND HIM >he's now been replaced by literally GOLDMAN SACHS: THE Prime Minister >the mining exports will eventually make Australia a "third world" nation within 50 years >mfw all Australians are absolutely fucking retarded and deserve to go the way of another totalitarian state, that being England
Stupid fucking Australians, you all deserve to be fucking shot
whatta fack. i want to be american hero. I too want to own a uzi and machinegun. so sad, in finland we have stricter gun control, because shooting is kind a nice. hickok45 seem to have fun atleast. government renew Finlands gun laws after school shootings in 2007 and 2008.
It's like this. Basically everyone knows the gun laws are fucked. But they turn the blind eye cuz a couple of faggets really want them very badly.. Mainly cuz they are conservative fuckbois. it's sad this bored is alt right now. Like being a conservative fgt is cool.
>>717433411 You may be a responsible gun owner but a lot of people aren't. You realise that in places where they've banned guns like Australia you can still keep sporting rifles and shotguns. Just not something you can stuff in your pants to clear out the local African American church down the road
>>717433888 Are the 'gangbangers' the ones massacring schools and churches? And we did have 'gangbangers'. Asian refugees controlled the entire drug industry in Sydney and Melbourne in the 80s and 90s. And how exactly am I the condescending one? You literally just had a tantrum calling me a liberal.
>>717433922 Name one country which doesn't allow "anyone" to have guns. The Orlando shooter had a *professional* license. It was his job to carry a gun. In order to get that license he passed the same background and firearms training program the police go through.
I once had a semi auto sporting rifle (commonly called an assault rifle by retards) that i forgot to lock up in my safe for a few days... its amazing it dident go on a rampage all on its own and rob a gas station!
Is this a a meme like "all americans are fat"? Or... "America isn't a country"
You know those jokes get old right?
literally older memes than doge, and pedobear but you keep posting it.
I have to ask, because Americans love our guns, do foreigners get propaganda in their countries that tell them America has a gun problem? Because we literally have no gun problem here. I know because I live here.
The gun problem extends from 3 problems.1)Niggers, they love to kill each other with them 2)No training course to buy one, really need a safety course to own one. 3) Gangs, they use them too. Also doesn't help that suicides by gun get added to homicide stats constantly to push the lying liberal agenda
How's that gun restriction working for France? Also notice that the most dangerous cities in America have the strictest gun control and highest gun violence. You're also forgetting the knife attack that happened in China.
>>717434267 How many criminals have you shot in the pursuit of justice? Because that's what it sounds like you're all campaigning for. Isn't that what's being said? We need to be armed to fight criminals?
Where is that happening, I couldn't give a fuck about what you think of Chicago
>>717434339 You don't hear about it because it won't push liberal agenda. Anything that happens with a gun gets blown out of proportion. A gun misfires due to safety fail "GUN SHOOTS OWNER, WHY WE SHOULD BAN GUNS FOR SAFETY" Subtract suicides by guns from the stats and our gun death rate goes down a huge chunk.
>>717434463 Source? Something credible not taken off a site with an agenda? And you do realise when people say America has a gun control problem they aren't just referring to gun violence necessary? The fact that Americans take their right to own a gun as seriously as their right right to vote or speech is fucking terrifying and archaic as fuck. America has an unhealthy attitude towards firearms.
>>717429922 We do admit there's a gun problem. The problem is ignorance about guns and gun laws, a lack of exposure to them being used responsibly, media glorification of a fictionalized, sterilized, "bang-he's-suddenly-dead" form of gun violence, moral outcries about outright bans over licensing the way we do automobiles, a focus on fearing guns instead of understanding them as the tools they are, and the biggest problem in America rearing its head in all topics by not teaching our kids about consequence, personal responsibility, and how to have some discipline while they're still young enough for those teachings to sink in.
Seriously, so many of my fellow libs are so irresponsible that they blame everything on anything they can so long as it avoids the idea that maybe they need to improve something about themselves and they all hate guns (despite playing the shit out of FPS games for some fucking reason), and while I agree with them on topics like environmentalism, equality (there is a point where equity becomes "fuck the guy who was better off before we got work done" and stops being valuable, can we stop when it hits that point please), and the idea of finding some middle ground between free market capitalism and social democracy. But they all get fucking buttflustered when I suggest that the strong Working Class needed for those systems to work might have to include us doing actual fucking jobs and keep them from all being professional artists and career students, or when I suggest maybe guns aren't the problem and that crazy people who were never taught how to be fucking chill are the problem.
>>717434723 We want to keep are guns, we keep them Incase anything ever were to happen. Ex:Mass riots, Russia invade, tyrannical government. If we do ban them, we will be the biggest target for a tyrannical government. The only reason why our government fears us is our ability to arm foot soldiers with atleast a pistol. I know other counties would step in to stop the U.S from bombing its own citizens. We are a nation that never wants to be a victim of a horrible government. We want to be better armed so it's not like ww2 Germany, or Syria or any other place where millions of innocent were killed for their inability to defend themselves
>>717434947 Surely not nearly as available and effective as a literal killing machine. >>717434891 Problem is people won't change. That's why we had to stop wearing frontier six shooters into towns in the first place.
>>717434610 These mass shootings you idiots keep ranting about always happen in GUN- FREE ZONES. They don't happen in Midwestern suburban neighborhoods, gun shows, or sporting goods stores. They happen at schools, nightclubs, and theaters.
Murifag here. I freely admit the gun problem is huge. We shouldn't have to pay outlandish prices for automatic weapons. It's a scheme to prevent the citizenry from being able to afford them. Criminals illegally obtain and modify their weapons so this law does not apply to them. Gee. What other things are purposely manipulated and priced beyond the reach of the average Murican? Quality healthcare. Organic food. Safe housing.
>>717433934 We are a massive country compared to the rest of you european countries, of course we wil have more gross massacres. Add racial tensions and a large gang problem and then we now have terrorists to add to it. Shool shootings are the only things I can think of that would change and thats only if they werent really sure about doing it. Otherwise I learned how to make napalm in 4th grade, just a backpack full of that over some fellow students at lunch and you would get around the same death rate.
America expects is citizens to to live among gun owners and to own and operate firearms. Any narrative about a problem is created by people who do not understand this. And if you refuse to understand this then you can emigrate (unfortunately NOBODY does this).
>>717434981 Nigger culture in the u.s as a whole is different than anywhere in the world the liberals have them convinced anything they ever do wrong is not their fault but instead white man's fault and that they shouldn't worry of consequences. They live daily with a chip on their shoulder looking for problems. Most of these niggers also do not get their gun legally, it's easy to buy a pistol on the street that is stolen because it is hot or has been used in a crime. But niggers do not care. As long as they packing they feel like a real man. Niggers are what's hurting this country. Not black folk, no fucking degenerate niggers. Next in line after that are redneck white trailer trash, because they are the niggers of white people
>>717434610 you are simply too stupid to argue with. Mass shootings that happen in schools and movie theaters and night clubs? Those are all gun free zones dumb fuck, where normal LAW ABIDING citizens aren't armed. Holy shit.
>>717434698 >What practical use is a gun in surburban seattle?
Answer: none of anyone's business really. They are legal and I want them. That's all anyone needs to know. I'll build furniture out of AR15s if I want, and wallpaper my house with glocks - because I can.
>>717429922 What gun problem? We found a way to help the nignogs kill each other. Eurofags could take a lesson from us and apply it to their sand nigger problem. Sure, they come out and kill whites every once in a while but for most part, it's self contained.
>>717435652 I shouldn't have to look it up. If statements and made as facts I expect credible sources to back them up. I'll just take what you said as utter, cunt gibberish and finally decide to go to bad. Have a good life. I hope your family isn't shot tomorrow.
>>717433828 Chemicals needed dir that are most times observed and only sold to people which have an legit reason. For example for ANFO you need much Ammonium Nitrat. For APEX a lot of h202. With bin powder you sonst really make an bomb which is strong enough to kill a lot of people if it isnt very big
>>717435527 >If Russia invades a bunch of rednecks with guns won't do shit. Ya, American history says you are right.
>>>717435527 >Your government has drones, nukes, missiles, fighter jets, tanks and various other military grade equipment. Firearms won't stop the government doing shit. Implying military members would back a Tyrannical government order to kill CIVILIANS.
>Oh yes because the government wants nothing more than to eradicate the second amendment and enclave the American people Again, what has history taught us?
>>717435616 >Pic shows that while making up only %14 of the total population nig nogs make up %37+ of the prison population.
In our modern PC world, that is because of racism. Leftists believe there is some law of nature that says if a group makes up a certain percentage of the population, then all statistics relating to that group should reflect that percentage. . . or muh racism.
>>717435509 If you hate your government that much move somewhere else. It's obviously not the issue here mate so stop bitching about it. It's caused a number of deaths that has been considered unacceptable. There is no way that guns aren't going to be slowly but strongly regulated to a shadow of its current self
>>717432121 It's not NRA propaganda. Most guns on the street are obtained illegally and it by legal means. The poverty is of the chart. people that have jobs and making a liveing wage don't rob people.
>>717435527 Rednecks have some of the most fun experience in this country from hunting, hunters in America would be considered one of the biggest army's in the world. Rednecks are extremely patriotic and would die for this land in a heart beat. U.S is head of the world to help people for human Rights so if they started bombing their own citizens other counties would immediately take the opportunity to stop the U.S since the U.S has always condemned others. A country also can not nukes itself unless they do not want to be around longer than 10 years. Yes the government has a lot more than guns, but they would not use drones or jets to slaughter millions as it would look horrible and many many soldiers would coup. Americans are raised on very strict Morales most of the time, so you have few soldiers that would willingly pull the trigger on citizens As for electing trump, we have had years of Clinton bs and the world is the way it is from them, Hillary would of have a war with putin. We really don't want two major powers fighting as it forces people to pick sides.
Tl;Dr you barely know shit about the U.S or its citizens.
But america has an gun problem. You can buy in every other country guns too. Its just not as normal and you get better Background checks. Also you have to carry them locked and have them locked at home. You have to show that you know how to use them too (I already saw a lot of murricans with Photos where they had Finger in trigger or worser).
> Criminals anyway get guns Why does an terrorist need to steal an Truck then?
> Summary The gun problem is that murricans behave like fucking retards. No one else is giving little childs guns or gives the m as present or such shit. The ppl are just retarded and untrained and the culture Likes violence
>>717436298 History has taught us Americans will die for their beliefs you pussy ass faggot. God, guns, and freedom 3 words to describe America. I don't believe in a man in the sky but I damn sure believe in guns. A civil war as already fought, there would be another one over guns. History has taught us that we as a nation are extremely powerful and influence just about everything, if we were to start fighting other nations would take that time to increase their borders. Russia might just make another trip into Europe, bye Poland was nice knowing you. Americans defend their land, Americans refuse to be victims (of course it will still happen cause there are bad people) Americans have pride in their ability to be allowed to not be a helpless worker drone.
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