>>717429837 true, its far from the perfect plant but its better than most people think if it was legalised for everything except recreational drug use, theyd still be campaigning for it, but theyd have no backing except for "MUH BODY MUH RIGHT"
What do you expect when your government is totally addicted to takung bribes from 'lobby' groups and literally cant make an unbiased decision that is best for the people becuase of some special interest group.
>>717429353 No it won't because William Randolf Hearst paid the politicians to make marijuana/hemp a top tier bad drug because he owned a large interest in trees for making paper and he knew the truth of op's meme
>>717429353 Help makes good rope, but is is shitty for clothes, and makes shitty paper. Hemp seed oil is OK for nutrition, but shitty as a bio fuel. Hemp fibers can be used as a filler for mud-bricks, but is shitty compared to pine for structural members. 90% of the "facts" about the medical benefits of hemp at just new-age bullshit. Industrial hemp production around the works is legal, but it is not used more because it is not as good as the alternatives.
If it wasn't for stoners, no-one would give a shit about Hemp.
>>717430897 I'm all for legalization and the complete utilization of all hemp products, but people NEED to stop fucking saying this. Yes, weed very well is a drug. It may not leave you looking like a crack whore and sucking dick for a dimebag, but it is a drug. It chemically alters the way your mind and body work. That's the exact definition of a drug.
By spouting "WEED ISN'T A DRUG MAAAN #420BLAZEIT LOLOLLLL :-)" all you're doing is hindering the cause of legalization. Everybody on both sides of the issue knows it's a drug. Everybody on both sides of the issue knows that part of the reason people want it legalized is so they can get high. If we just openly admit these things then we can start having a much more productive discourse of the issue.
>>717429353 I just fucking love people who pretend that their interest in legalization has nothing to do with wanting to smoke weed.
Just fucking own it, goddamnit I am sick of this shit. Just be fucking honest with what you want. You want to be able to smoke weed without worrying about cops? Fair enough, but just fucking say that. It's funny to hear the responses when you say: "Fine, lets let more people grow hemp, but make the THC content insignificant in the plants" and watching them go "N-n-no wait"
You don't give a fuck about some fucking farmer in Oregon.
>>717432979 I'm not any of the previous posters. I'll get high no matter if it is legal or illegal ,as already do 100% of stoners. So looking for legalisation is not only based on our interest of getting high, because we already do it, do you get it?
>>717433039 >incredibly incorrect Let me know if you find a major manufacturer / produces that says: Hemp is cheaper / better than cotton / polyester for clothes. Hemp creates cheaper and better quality paper than wood pulp. Hemp seed oil is a cheaper bio fuel than Palm / Soybean / Sugar etc.
IF you can, the I will admit it is good for something besides making rope. But, I suspect that most of the positive claims about Hemp are just lies by dirty hippies.
>>717433554 Yes, I get it, and you're wrong. Most stoners want it legalized so it's easier for them to get high and so they don't have to worry about legal ramifications. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. However, there IS something wrong with muddying the waters and claiming that recreational use is not part of the motivation behind legalization. Everybody on both sides of the issue knows that this is a ploy to make legalization more appealing to the more uninformed members of the public, and all it does is make the legalization movement look dishonest.
>>717433601 You're probably trolling but I'll bite. You're a fucking moron.
drug drəɡ noun: drug; plural noun: drugs
1. a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.
>>717429353 William Randolph Hurst was heavily invested in timber. Hemp threatened to replace timber. William Randolph Hurst used his position as a member of Congress to make hemp, and marijuana, illegal.
>>717433951 Here in my country (Spain) everyone is obvious about that. No one claims to wanting its legalisation to fuel their cars, obviously. We are all very clear that we want it for recreational use. The legalization movement is always going to look bad, because drugs are badly viewed by a sector of the society.
In fact, what's your point on drugs? And on weed? Do you smoke?
>>717434086 Industrial hemp is legal around the world. If hemp was any good, major corporations would be using it, and push to have it made legal. It is just good at a few things, and at best average at others. Anyone saying that, for example, hemp is significantly better than palm for bio fuel is deluding themselves.
>>717432748 Hemp suffers from a lot of the same issues as linen does. It's great after a long time but it's nowhere near as comfortable as cotton. Cotton is insanely resource heavy (look at the US south post Civil War when the cotton plantations had wrecked the soil.) Hemp may be more durable but I'm not going to buy a pair of Hemp jeans any time soon.
>>717434297 I don't smoke weed, but I have in the past. I stopped because I didn't enjoy it anymore. It basically just made me feel nervous and shitty and I didn't enjoy it anymore.
I strongly believe that all recreational substances should be legalized and regulated just like alcohol. This would create a free environment for scientists to more closely and definitively study the effects of each drug on the human body and mind. This would, in turn, allow us to create more accurate and realistic guidelines for the safest possible use of each substance. The focus would be on informing the public and dissuading them from the more objectively harmful drugs, rather than "IF YOU DO ANY DRUG OTHER THAN ALCOHOL YOU WILL GO TO JAIL" scare tactics.
yeah I know about hemp and it's fibers. I want to get into hemp farming tbh. If it grows just like weed, I can just toss a couple of regulated hemp seeds, water it and enjoy the rest of my time doing whatever projects I may have around the farm. What do you think? I just need to know of any government programs where they will help new farmers although I heard it would be difficult for hemp as it is considered illegal and the government will not loan to such a thing.
>>717435828 Yes it may be legal in the states but is it legal federally? I guess you could get a loan from a local credit union for funding. Also the stigma with hemp being used for psychoactive purposes may be hard to convey. What kind of products do you think will win America over with hemp?
>>717436287 Hump can be broken down and turned into a type of compost that can harden to a tensile strength similar to concrete, as seen here >>717429389 and it can also be ground up and made into paper, it's extracts can be turned into a substance akin to petrol and then refined into fuel or plastics, and it's fibers can be turned into cloth for clothing. On top of that, it's cousin, marijuana, has been shown in numerous studies to assist in combating numerous diseases and ailments (some of which respond better to THC and others to CBD). Both plants, if legalized, would be a massive boon and could, in time, eliminate much (if not most) of our dependence on hard-on-soil fertilizers (for things like cotton) and oil.
>>717436722 That's why they don't want it to be legal. independence. I can see the hemp is much like bamboo and will probably fall in the same in regards to price. Not sure if it'll be worth farming hemp.
. Fully cured hempcrete blocks float in a bucket of water. It is not used as a structural element, only as insulating infill between the frame members though it does tend to reduce racking. All loads are carried by internal framing.
>>717436772 Because of just how versatile it is, as well as a fear mongering that marijuana cigarettes would do things like make you a murderer, drive you insane and make a black man look twice at a white woman.
>>717437062 Hemp is legally cultivated. It's regulated and you can't get high from what's cultivated.
There is no fear mongering about it where i live ( France) and we are the number 1 producer worldwide ( 70% of the world hemp production comes from France). Yet we still use concrete, trees, oil, etc...
>>717436843 From the US, I meant. The US is the largest consumer nation in the world and if it started allowing and promoting hemp use en masse in the US, the world would follow. And even in Europe they are seeing a lot of hemp use via clothing, bioplastic for their cars, building material and more. I'll try to find the source later but one Euro politician cited hemp manufacturing as one of the top 5 reasons Europe is the only country GAINING forest coverage while the rest of the world continues to depletes their forests.
>>717431701 Hemp and pot are essentially the same thing but we use those two words to differentiate between the cannabis plants with low levels of thc (hemp) and the ones with high levels of thc (pot). Hemp could surely be smoked but it won't intoxicate you, besides there are way more and better ways to use hemp. I suggest you read about hemp. Have a nice day anon
>>717437276 You claimed that hemp could replace oil or concrete or trees.
I live in a country where we produce no oil, and produce a lot of hemp. Still we import a lot of oil and use hemp for not very important things ( papers for cigarettes, thermal isolation, etc..). Explain me why ?
>>717437685 I don't get why people think they can smoke hemp lol. Do some further research if that's the only thing that is holding you back. As a hemp farmer, one's job is to regularly check for the thc content in your hemp crop and to ensure it does not go over the regulated amount.
>>717429353 >Concrete-like blocks made with hemp and lime have been used as an insulating material for construction. Such blocks are not strong enough to be used for structural elements; they must be supported by a brick, wood, or steel frame
>>717437761 This. Hemp contains extremely low levels of thc and are useless for smoking (unless it tastes like weed, which I've always wondered) >>717437925 I guess some dumbasses get to know that weed and hemp are related so they try it
>>717437692 You live in France don't you? I literally just read those things in the wiki. That said, France only produces about 8000 hectares of hemp per year, compared to the 1.48 million hectares of wheat they produce. Bit of a discrepancy in numbers.
Basically, grow more hemp, educate people, the government and industries of its uses and its uses will grow.
>hemp is only good for insulation >you can't construct a house with solely 'hempcrete' because it simply isn't strong enough >there are better materials for insulation, which is why it isn't used other than by hippies trying to make a point
>>717439290 Okay well I got a real question for you. I was conceived while my mom was on the pill and dad didn't cum in her (I know he's my dad because he took a DNA test). Would you consider my birth a miracle or a huge fuck up?
>>717429353 I don't have time to point out everyone talking about farming this shit but I'll tell you if you're running 90day cycles of hemp. Your soil will be so fucked in no time you couldn't grow a dandelion because you've taken so much of the nutrients out of the exchangeable pools.
I'm not saying its a bad idea but it seems like most of the arguments for this sort of stuff is basically a facade for hippies and stoners who just want to get high and wouldn't care more than a day after its legal.
>>717439799 Think about it though. Why would you waste good soil to a weed? I would literally grow this shit in the worse and cheapest place I can find. Leave the the black soil to the vegetable and fruits who actually need the nutrients.
>>717440169 Yeah but if you grow on poor sites, your rotations will be much longer and since when you harvest you take the whole plant, you wont have many nutrients left afterwards. I mean maybe slow rotations on entisols (new/unweathered soils) it might work. Weathering would then be the limiting factor for more mineral nutrients. These sites are usually rare or in the north as glacial sediment which would have a shorter growing season
>>717429428 Look into pycrete. If water and sawdust is a better concrete than concrete, then there's no reason hempcrete wouldn't at least perform equally as well with a fraction of the price and energy cost
BS, 95% of "marijuana" seizures are forest rangers and DEA pulling up hemp ditch weed and burning it, prior to the 2nd Bush term they used to separate the seizures into two columns, they don't now because. It's a freaking WEED, it takes very little to grow. If you want to grow high grade marijuana its resource intensive, but only old drug warrior morons think that is the same thing as cheap hemp weed.
>>717440490 this. any intelligent being knows that if an anon can use today's technology to make hemp a viable ressource as a fuel that's more efficient than oil will have to fight the oil industry which is a globalized fuckin nightmare, that also runs the jobs of thousands of people. history shows it's a fucking mess and it takes decades for a society to change the productions they rely on.
>>717432748 Are you retarded? >bad for clothes You probably think all hemp is scratchy like hemp twine, it's not. >shitty fuel Actually you can dump it in a deisel engine without alteration or refinement. Plus the fuel is a byproduct of separating fiber, cannibanoids, and oils so you can't claim it's not economically pheasible (even if it stores less than 12% of solar energy received as hemp oil) >shitty compared to pine Nah, longer fibers, shorter growth period, secondary and tertiary products, superior energy to mass conversion. I honestly don't know how you thought pine could compete
>>717442305 Well how are we supposed to take things seriously if there isn't evidence? If someone is SO willing to push their shit, they should at least give us the fucking proof that it works, otherwise we'll just take it as bullshit.
You're right, though I can understand why people say it.
We have this umbrella term of 'drug' that carries with it a charged stigma.
Yes, caffeine is a drug. Yes, nicotine is too.
And yes, the wonderful cannabis plant (well, THC and CBD) is a drug.
The problem is that when we call it for what it is, people have a bias toward the word as a knee-jerk reaction. You say that "cannabis is a drug" and people think of heroin, crack, etc.
Oddly, though, when we talk about the drugs Rxd to people, we call them a prescription or medication. We don't call those drugs, for this very reason.
People are funny about that word. Not all drugs are bad, but we certainly act like they are.
Cannabis is a drug, a very helpful, wonderful, non-addictive (before you argue, no, it is not. A PERSON has bad habits and can form them around anything) drug that helps people.
Okay, now my final two cents is that the illegality of cannabis is a crime against nature and humanity. It is an undeniable fact that cannabis alters a person's perspectives, makes them more conscientious about how they act, and calms them down. It does the opposite of what the highly toxic, addictive, terrible drug alcohol does, which remains perfectly legal.
It's not a war on drugs. It's a war on personal freedom and higher consciousness, being waged on its own citizens.
I have a medical marijuana card, though the notion is utterly ridiculous that I need permission to imbibe nature.
I am going to say what I do because I am trying to lend myself to "the cause" without people attaching that "all stoners are losers" witch hunt stigma.
I am an adjunct professor of psychology, and a clinical social worker (PsyD, MSW). I work harder than most of colleagues and cannabis has done nothing but enhance my life. I meditate and reflect on how I treated others, reacted to stress, and what I could have done better. It helps me be a better person, period.
Material scientist here, most of the purported solutions are inefficient especially such as the one claiming that hemp is even close to being a good enough replacement for petroleum (whale oil would be better than hemp), and some are outright plain lies.
Bio-composites are what we are dealing here when we talk about materials, hemp alone (no it is not a bio-composite in this stage) to put in 4chan terms is shit tier. The tensile strength is so low that there is no industrial usage of it on a massive scale. Current a lot of industry requires petroleum-based bio-composites since hemp actually does not provide the properties wanted which is non-biodegradability among the main point.
Yes hemp can be used to lesser things, such as plastic bottles, but the usefully need of the material requires more than two or three materials to make it rugged enough for consumer use, and the energy used to provided the hemp-based bio-composites is more than what the result is worth. Soy-based bio-composites which a lot of people call plastic in these days is actually being used instead of plastic, it is cheaper and easier to recycle than hemp and regular plastic.
Also about the 90 days to grow versus 15+ years to grow, trees are worth more since they remove more total CO2 from the atmosphere. So if were are looking from a ecology sustainability viewpoint replacing forests with hemp would plainly be bad.
Hemp is not bad, hemp is not great either though, get the facts.
>>717443463 I'm sorry, but I can't fix stupid. I get the "burden of proof" meme, but your problem is that you gave up critical thought years ago. Only way to fix it is to exercise critical thought regularly. Why don't you start by looking into some of the topics listed in this thread?
>>717443921 >carbon cycle Topkek, you forget about the global carbon budget. Intake versus outtake to put in layman terms. The amount of carbon taking in between hemp and a tree matters. Especially concerning global warming; however, I am guessing you do not think global warming warming is a thing.
>>717444256 >plant biomass stores less than 1% of worlds carbon >less biomass on land than floating in ocean >nevermind carbon stores dissolved in ocean or on its floor >still asserts land-based biomass is a valuable carbon store
Nice try, but a college education has more stringent requirements then that
>>717444275 If you want to push a idea though, you substantiate it with evidence. Basic academic policy. One does not go to do their PhD by simply claiming X, then walking out of the door while saying, "fact check it yourself." There is a defense stage where people ask you for evidences or try to break apart your claims, if you strongly feel you are right, you defend against the claims or you concede because you find out you are wrong.
>>717444524 stop responding to this willfully ignorant weak attempt at a troll. there's incredible amounts of evidence. how about the burden of doubt falls on your shoulders, as you're debating whether or not a plant that has been studied for hundreds of years is useful and you can't even give one viable reason why its illegal.
>>717444678 >Nice try, but a college education has more stringent requirements then that lol no they don't. every nignog and liberal arts student has a degree these days. their value has been completely undercut by the
>>717440999 So do tree farms, what's your point? It can grow at higher altitudes and shorter grow seasons than traditional crops as well. It wouldn't bravado idea to replace some of the corn in our diets anyhow.
>>717445115 They're claiming that hemp is an accumulator of some kind. Basically an accumulator pulls something out of the soil into the plant. Either it's a mineral/metal that you want to gather and refine, or a poison you want removed from the soil (sometimes both)
>>717445417 I'm not saying that it should be illegal, I'm saying that claims should not be supported with "just google it", faggot. If claims can be supported by that, then I declare that all bananas should be banned. Don't ask me for evidence for that, just google it.
>>717444678 Are you bloody retarded? The percentage of carbon stored in biomass is beside the point, the carbon that is found in the ocean is part of the slow and highly stable geologic cycle. What we mostly care about is where humans are doing the damage which is not to the slow and stable geologic cycle, but the biological cycle that depends mostly on plants.
>still asserts land-based biomass is a valuable carbon store
Let us try a thought experiment, we deforest the whole world, get rid of the carbon storage. Say good by to clean air. We know for a fact that areas that are highly deforested has a higher pollution index.
As for a college education (which I have one by the way) does not mean someone is correct, right off the bat. If you want to argue via authority and not based on the evidences that back what I am saying, you are a sad little man.
>>717429353 These dopers and potheads will come up with any excuse to get their weed made legal. Pity them. They have excluded themselves from society. It was a good move. The gene pool will benefit from their sacrifice. Thank you, guys.
Hemp oil is a fantastic fuel. I use veggie oil in my converted diesel because it's easier to find, but hemp oil is actually much better. Veggie oil is already better then normal diesel, the engine runs smoother on it. Hemp oil is far superior to diesel.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm, number 92 https://www.boundless.com/writing/textbooks/boundless-writing-textbook/writing-an-effective-paper-235/incorporating-objections-and-opposing-views-241/the-importance-of-addressing-opposing-views-101-4514/, down to "Prove Your Point"
So there's my case for you guys needing to post your "evidence"
>>717445748 Lol your thought experiment is critically flawed >If we take one battery out of our bank of hundreds it won't store electricity anymore!
The amount of carbon stored and the amount of participation in the carbon cycle are exactly the point. We could deforest the world, and from a carbon perspective we'd be fine. The actual damage to our ecology would be staggering, but your original point is that replacing industrial tree farms with hemp farms is a bad idea from a carbon perspective.
Aside from that you should know that the carbon stored in the ocean is resultant from the equalibrium between the sea and the air driven by temperature. The ocean is spewing out more carbon than china right now trying to reach that equalibrium.
Furthermore you should know that geologically stored carbon is distinct from ocean-biomass stored carbon, and both are different from ocean stored carbon
Well, looked into hempcrete. Can not see the point. It can't bare structural loads so it's basically just an insulator, and maybe facade material. And it doesn't compare well to rockwool or fiberglass.
Maybe it's less energy intense to produce, but how much energy will be wasted in heating all those now less well insulated houses?
>>717429353 You God damn yuppy dopers will find every and any way to make dope legal so you can spend all your welfare checks on a bag of drugs. You keep wanting more and more of your fix to get that ultimate high. You all deserve life in prison. Fuckin junkies
>>717445748 Is there more pollution due to a higher population density, or are you referring to a properly controlled study? I'm sure that plants make good air filters, I keep a ton of house plants just for this purpose.
Industrial hemp is completely legal to grow in Scandinavia. They are also pretty serious about how they build their houses. They can't fuck around cuz very cold winters and very warm summers. They don't bother with hemp much despite there being no legal or other obstacle to it. Basically it just doesn't cut it.
>>717443930 Because he/she is not obligated to cater the lazy desires of dumbasses like yourself You should start a life you faggot and start to build some common sense and realize you need to research yourself because nobody respects you enough to give the time of day to provide evidence for your dumb ass Fucking brainwashed trying troll Whilst other anon is trying to enlighten you with knowledge you obviously are unaware of How are you going to learn if i don't start substatiating your questions with thought. Im not mad at you im mad at your parents and your indoctrination
>>717442942 But that guys is wrong. There is easily found proof of Hemps usefulness. Why would using it be bad works case scenario? Also it makes great paper for certain. Almost all bibles are printed on hemp for a reason.
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