It's a series of tubes, how could you trust it! A series

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>>717277500

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>>717277500

i literally feel like i am living in a cartoon.

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>>717277595

And not a fun Roger Rabbit cartoon. More like the shitty knock off version.

>>717277739
>shitty
>has Brad Pitt

Pick one

The same people who think Trump solicited Russia to hack him into the white house, think Trump is silly for not trusting the integrity of computers and their security.

You people are pretty funny tbqhwyf.

I don't get it

A man says computers are complicated and everyone jumps on him

He's not even wrong computers are complicated

>>717278030

As a side note, Hillary trusted computers, look where it got her.

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>>717277739

Or pick both

>>717278030

No one thinks he solicited russia to win. Russia got him to win on their own because it's the equivalent of dropping a dirty bomb into our political system.

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>>717277500
Wait wait wait. You make SUCH A HUGE FUCKING DEAL ABOUT HACKING AND NOW YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN HOW TRUMP DOESN'T TRUST SECURITY OF COMPUTERS?

WHAT WORLD AM I LIVING IN? THE MEDIA IS RETARDED. ALL SJWS ARE FUCKING RETARDED.

MUH EMAILS WERENT COMPROMISED.
MUH RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION
MUH TRUMP IS STUPID
MUH TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER.

>>717278032
They are not complicated, the second there was a market for computers, they became easier and easier to use. But I guess to a chimp, anything could be complicated.

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>>717278273
No you retard, us U.S.A. citizens just got tired of having a nigger destroy muh 'murica.

>>717278291
face it, you don't understand how a computer works do you

how many languages can you code in?

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>>717278032
>He's not even wrong computers are complicated

trump voter detected.

and then you fags get pissed when people call you stupid, and deplorables.

kek.

>>717277500
>Doesn't trust computers.

Smart man.

>>717278275

He didn't say "I don't trust the security" of a specific system. He said "I don't trust computers"

He doesn't know shit about computers. It's fucking 2017 and he can't even pretend to have basic working knowledge of the tech systems that DOMINATE the world. Poor form Trump. Poor form indeed.

Also why are you so obsessed with hilary? It seems you plebs can't even talk about trump without bringing her up. It's very strange.

>>717278422
I'm actually laughing at how you think computers are so simple but probably don't even know how to code

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>>717278291
But they are complicated.

Can you tell me exactly how a packet goes from point A to point B? and how your computer converts that to text on your screen?

Yeah didn't think so you fucking twat.

>>717278422
I can feel your virginity from here

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>>717278032

To an idiot yes computers are complicated. Much like how a blender would confuse a caveman, or a coffee machine would baffle an orangutan...

>>717278610
computers are simple?

answer these questions
>>717278495

computers are complicated you're just too ignorant to understand

>>717278421
>>717278495
That's not what trump said.

>>717278492

i dont know how to code, and i will admit that. but i know my way around them and can build a computer and a network and trouble shoot shit if i need to.

computers are so fucking mainstream and normal part of everyone's lives that saying: "I dont trust computers. they are complicated" is something only a fucking knuckle dragger from the early 20th century would say.

stop defending your fucking king there faggot. at least for one fucking moment.

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>>717278472
>He didn't say "I don't trust the security" of a specific system. He said "I don't trust computers"
Are you too stupid to read between the lines? With the current events happening, I'm almost 100% sure this is what trump was saying.

>He doesn't know shit about computers. It's fucking 2017 and he can't even pretend to have basic working knowledge of the tech systems that DOMINATE the world. Poor form Trump. Poor form indeed.
It's fucking 2016.

>Also why are you so obsessed with hilary? It seems you plebs can't even talk about trump without bringing her up. It's very strange.
Where did I say anything about Hillary?

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>>717278679
computers are complicated though in many aspects and to deny this is to be ignorant

Based Trump

ofcourse he is right again. trusted computing is so difficult to get right

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>>717278679
>i dont know how to code, and i will admit that. but i know my way around them and can build a computer and a network and trouble shoot shit if i need to.
Congrats you can play with legos...

>>717278679
>computers are so fucking mainstream and normal part of everyone's lives that saying: "I dont trust computers. they are complicated" is something only a fucking knuckle dragger from the early 20th century would say.
Trump can sign into twitter, and by your definition he's now an expert computer user.

>>717278679
>stop defending your fucking king there faggot. at least for one fucking moment.
stop sucking your boyfriends dick for one second and learn2notbgay

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>>717278759

lol. you fucking deplorable idiots. no wonder you stupid cunts voted for the orange man.

even my 8 year old nephew knows how to use a computer and doesnt think they are "complicated", but the fucking president of the most powerful nation on Earth does.

its is mind baffling to me that there are so many stupid people like you. it is really something my mind can wrap itself around.

absolutely fucking astonishing at how stupid his voters are.

>>717278759
Yeah, if you are going to ask someone to build a computer and its components from scratch, shit I can see how that could be complicated.
Using a computer is easy, made easier with the power of the internet. You can learn how to work a computer for free online.

>>717278422
Isn't Trump a 70 year old?
He's like the young generation, pro at using it, shit at understanding it.
It just werks.
>>717278693
He doesn't need to.
He doesn't need free porn, 100% of the reason we learn computah.

>>717278495

Of course they're complicated machines. That's not the point. He DOESN'T TRUST THEM. They completely run our world and he's afraid of them. He doesn't understand that people design and run them. Is he saying he doesn't trust the people behind the computers? Or does he not trust them MACHINES themselves.

Or does he even know what he's saying. He sounds like a foolish grandpa.

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As someone who is an old(er) fag at 42 let me shed some light on all of this for you. No I am not as old as Trump but he like me was born before computers. You fgts were born into it, we adopted it. You fgts grew up with and on computers I was 26 when they became non-dialup. To someone like Trump computers are fucking confusing as fuck. It sucks every generation grows up thinking that they are smarter than the previous ones but in this case of you fgts actually are smarter at least fro a technology standpoint which is huge in this day and age. You fgts forget how old we are we don't know fuck all computers are not in our blood like it is yours. I grew up with a fucking Atari and Nintendo old school mario, now you fucks have virtual reality and gaming that blows my fucking mind and overwhelms an old asshole such as myself. not proofreading fuck off if grammar and spelling is off

>>717278978
>Congrats you can play with legos...

and your king doesnt. doesnt that prove my point?

are your reallly that fucking thick?

>>717279056
just say faggot. it's liberating

>>717278679
Look at this egghead who knows how to turn on Windows and restart a modem! Tell us more about your superior intellect

>>717279002
you obviously don't know much about computers

I've built my own and have learnt to code, they are not simple.

You are the stupid one, and so is your nephew.

>>717279002
Your 8yo pedobait can also learn a language easily whereas neither of us can.
Trump is 70, you don't learn new trick at this age, you refine what you have and play power games.

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>>717279002
lol. you fucking sjw idiots. no wonder you stupid cunts voted for the orange pantsuit queen.

even my 8 year old nephew knows how to secure her emails and doesnt think they are "100% secure", but the fucking president of the most powerful nation on Earth does.

its is mind baffling to me that there are so many stupid people like you. it is really something my mind can wrap itself around.

absolutely fucking astonishing at how stupid her voters are.

>>717279056
> I grew up with a fucking Atari and Nintendo old school mario
So did I. I still don't think computers are magic.

>>717277500
I am an electrical engineer from Georgia Tech. I don't trust computers either. There is a lot of bullshit we do in both assembly code and higher level languages to get around issues.

We are also too dependent on technology as a whole anyhow. Especially because only a select few knows how they actually function.

>>717279161
nigger that is not politcally correct sorry fgt is as far as i will go

>>717279266
how old are you faggot?

>>717279172

i dont understand you modern chimps. I admit to the limits of my knowledge (i dont know how to code) and you think is a weakness?

you want me to just spew out bullshit I dont understand and pretend i know the answers like a fucking idiot full of shit?

if I was that kind of person I would wear a MAGA hat and would have voted for trump.

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>>717279071
No dumbass, his job isn't to build computers so dumbfucks like you are "happy" with him.

He has other people do this part of the job.

You're such a nitwit you fail to see how retarded you are.

>>717278653

Complicated is a relative term. Regardless it's irrelevant. Saying you don't trust something because it's complicated is an idiotic, fearful, ignorant response to technology. He sounds like a foolish old grandpa.

you really don't understand how computers convert text to screen? Are you 12?

There's a binary format for text shithead. ASCII in the upper level, then binary in the lower level. Do you understand how binary works?

If you can't understand basic binary I'm not going to waste my time explaining TCI/IP packets to you.

>>717279221

lol. this is a common conservative practice. you guys are to stupid for wit so you always copy and paste other people's comments and flip it on its head.

get some fucking original thoughts mate.

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>>717278422
Build a computer from the raw hunks of materials needed to make one, or stfu

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>>717279428
you literally grew up with computers as they did, fuck off, and i dont think they are magic just not as natural as they are to someone 10 years younger than me

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>>717277500
Official trump support server!
https://discord.gg/nf76qYb

WITH AN ACTIVE CALL

>>717279429

your king thinks computers are not to be trusted and they are complicated. thats the man you admire.

and you call me a nitwit?....

wholy fucking shit this would be comedy gold if your faggots didnt vote.

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Uh, as someone who knows a lot about computers that's not altogether unreasonable. He's not saying he doesn't trust mathematics, he's talking about security. He doesn't distrust computers themselves but they way in which they're built, programmed and employed. Attempting to reduce this statement to "I distrust base 8 arithmetic taking place at high speeds" is pretty disingenuous, if anything he's throwing you a bone given the whole Russia thing.

>>717278693

SO you're putting words in his mouth. Do you think trump even understands which systems caused problems for him? What the breach was and how it occurred?

No of course not. He's painting with the widest brush like he always does "Mexicans are rapists"
"I don't trust computers"

He's a simple man with a simple mind. He's simple minded.

Most 5 year olds can use computers quite effectively, the president of the USA can't.

>>717278679
>I can build a computer
No, you can order pre-made parts and put them together like a child builds with legos, you're not actually building shit. You're just assembling at a 5th grade level.

>>717279540
Maybe you're just retarded. My 75 year old man isn't afraid of computer wizardry. He gets along just fine.

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>>717279587
not clicking that shit nigger lover

>>717279540

i am your age.

you are just stupid. like every trump supporter.

MAGA mate.

Machines are fine imo, the only thing we SHOULDN'T FUCKING MAKE is ai's, its retarded that we make so many movies of them taking over but scientists still want to try making them.

>>717279327
My dad and I have always been kind of good at electronics and computers, we've discussed a few times how people should be taught how to build/maintain simple computers from an early age. A skilled individual could build a simple computer from complete scratch in a couple years if he was stranded completely away from any kind of society or technology, but it would require a set of skills overlapping that only a tiny number of people might have. Blacksmithing, survival, and eletrical technical skill are not commonly found all in one person. It can be done, but you're not likely to be the person who can.

He is not saying writing a code is complicated, he is not saying building computers is complicated, he is literally saying he is too stupid to use simple things made simpler for dim witted idiots. I guess signing into twitter and going on cocaine fueled rampages is a lot harder for him than I realized.

>>717279651

mental gymnastics.

>>717279536

Build a car from scratch or else you're not allowed to drive one.

>>717278978

Trump can sign into twitter? Are you sure? Didn't his campaign team lock him out of his own account for the last week before the election so that he wouldn't say more stupid shit? Pretty much 100% sure that happened, lol.

>>717277500
>have files in a filing cabinet
>would take a super spy to be physically there to steal
>have files in a computer
>all it takes is an idiot using factory default login/pw for a "hacker" to access them
hmmm...

>>717279667

fine. i can only do that (plus installing the OS).

now... tell me trump dick sucker....

can your orange man do it?

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>>717277500

>1. US Gov has access to any US company's IT infrastructure..
>2. Amazon, Microsoft and Google are US Companies..
>3. AWS, AZURE, Google+..
>4. Everyone has an Amazon Account, Microsoft Account or Google Account..
>5. Alexa, Cortana, Google Assistant
>6. Datamining..
>7. ohshit.jpg

>>717279205

No one said they're simple. It's a strawman argument. This old fart said he "doesn't trust them"

As if they're fucking sentient or something.

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>>717279687
I admit I am but my point is valid I am the last of a dying breed, I grew up without computers, all the einsteins in this thread are good with computers because that is all they do in life and should kill themselves, but the average asshole my age by and large is not good with computers not nearly as good as out younger counterparts

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>>717277500
Nice dubs. I hope trump does somehow shutdown Facebook, internet, computers. Let's only have phones that can call and text. That is my idea of paradise in this day and age. Wish I was a guy in the 70's where it was acceptable to be ugly, do drugs and have plenty of sex. I wouldn't mind unshaved pussy tbh

>>717279651

So you're saying he actually is saying "I don't trust people"

>>717279782
Sure thing, just as soon as you show me where I said they were not complicated to make/build.
Go ahead, I'll wait.

Trump goes out of his way to say really stupid things when real news about him has been released. It's to change the narrative. The amazing thing is how well it works both in distracting his detractors and firing up his defenders.

>>717279536

Build a house or sleep in the street.

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>>717279921
>I am the last of a dying breed

thank fucking god for that shit.

i cant wait till you baby boomers eat shit and die.

>>717279536

build a human body or be a brain in a jar.

"I don't trust the human body, it's complicated"

>>717279850
>>717279914
You dont have to connect your computer to the internet niggers.

>>717280053

But computers are too difficult to use for an average person because they are complicated to make.

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>>717278392
>objectively the best president since Reagan even if you hate his politics
>he destroyed murrka!

Protip you're about to see the thing that makes America great get destroyed.

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>>717279860
Yes.Now prove me wrong faggot.

>>717280143
you don't have to, but they are anyways.

>>717279997
So what? The leader of the free world should be an exception to that rule. I have higher standards for the president than I do for the average mouth breather...but then again, maybe I shouldn't.

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>>717279997
dude im at 42 old and fat just ate at a buffet by myself in sweatpant no fucks to give way ahead of your 70's guy yolo aint that what you jits be saying these days, got money, gonna sex tour in se asia at some point

>>717280098
i agree i hate old people aint baby boomer tho fuck wad gen X i think , also you must be so cool on 4 chan on NYE im old no fucks to give whats your excuse , neckbeard LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>>717277500
i think that older people probably have a much more intelligent comprehension of dangers of computers than young people.

younger people think that computers are this magical world where you can literally put all your personal info in and no one will ever, ever see it or have access to it. how naive?

in a way seeing it as a series of tubes is almost better, in a way.

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>>717280193

dont have to. i've made my point.

keep sucking his (below) 5th grade level dick. i dont give a shit.

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>>717280193
he went on record saying UNGA BUNGA ME NO TRUST GLOWBOX IS WITCHCRAFT not two hours ago.

>>717280193
Obviously he can't, he said so himself.

>>717280243
>>717279921
Fuck, sorry, wrong anon.

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>>717280085
Sure, just as soon as you point out where I said building/making a house wasn't complicated.
...Also, I actually have built rooms and houses, including the one I'm in.

>>717279850

Real useful those files that you can't share with anyone, except maybe by pony express.

>>717279734
So some stupid Hollywood shit is more intelligent than scientists? AI would be no different from any other intelligent lifeform, they are less likely to be murderous psychopaths than an average human. An AI is no more dangerous than a creature that can think, being scared simply because they have minds of metal and not flesh is foolish.

>>717280158
all those announcements about jobs coming back...stock market gains...yep end of the country.

Oh nevermind, anything positive must be fake news.

>>717280392
Anything can be complicated, but anything can be learned.
But can't expect a con man to learn anything but con people.

>>717280392

Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

You don't "get" metaphors do you?

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>>717280136
I tell ya what, I'll bend you over and get to work on building a human body for you if you continue being a little bitch.

>>717279648
>implying you can trust computers nowadays.

With the orwellian surveillance going on in some countries he isnt wrong

>>717279734

We're gonna need the AI to fight the aliens though.

Terminators vs Predators.

>>717277500
Well, they are tbh. We should go back to a paper filing system.

>>717280147
Still waiting.

>>717280594

But wouldn't that build a dog body? Your swarmy logic is quite flawed.

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>>717280323
>>717280337
>>717280319

He said he couldn't put together a computer with parts he can order? Well fuck, I'll just sit back and wait for you all to show me where he said that.

>>717280535
You do see the contradiction you've made there, right?

>>717280311
I agree. I actually remember seeing ads on kids cereal boxes about being 'cybersafe' and not putting personal info ANYWHERE on the Internet. Im 25 now and still live by those ads. Needless to say I don't use Facebook and I honestly believe I'm better off without it. I use fake info on Twitter for news tho.

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>>717280599

But you see that's PEOPLE using tools to do untrustworthy things.

So you'd say "I don't trust government surveillance"

If you saw a nigger with a gun would you say "I don't trust that gun"?

Computers are tools like guns.

Blaming computers for hacking is as stupid as blaming guns for mass shootings.

>>717280582
Your metaphor was shit and inapplicable, which was the the point I was trying to get across.
You don't "get" points, do you?

>>717279002
Ask him to change his MAC address and whether or not he has a static or dynamic IP.
Let me know when he answers those correctly.

>>717280147
>>717280739
Right, that's why only 1 in 100 people in this country own computers. Same with vehicles, that's why we don't have mechanics, because everyone can just fix their own cars, or at least they should, since they know how to use them, they better know how to make them, and therefor fix any problems with them.
>Your logic

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>>717280752
It would be half human the way I figure it, so I'm half right at the very least.

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>>717280984

Yeah but plebs can understand guns because they're more basic machines. You don't need to use your mind as much to use them.

You can't expect a small man like trump, and his legions of plebs to understand computers enough so that they're not scared by them. They'd rather just shoot them and use paper files, fall years behind all the other countries using computers, and go back to the industrial revolution era tech.

>>717280143
>You dont have to connect your computer to the internet niggers.

>mobile phone
>always on
>signed into a Microsoft, Apple, Google or Amazon account

>>717281093

Your points are as dull as bowling pins.

>>717281131
Still waiting
>skeleton.jpg
Also not the same anon as the first quote

>>717277500
Funny, You liberals don't trust voting machines.

>>717281122

>moving the goal posts for the orange king.

>>717281238

I'm a bitch, and you're the dog in that picture? Or you're you?

Sorry if I'm slow, I havn't done beastiality role play in a while.

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>>717279777

How so? Hillary got discredited pretty badly by underestimating her own cybersecurity needs and Trump was across the table from this using it to his advantage. If anything he's being remarkably honest and charitable for Donald Trump, I would assume he's in a good mood this new year's eve.

nigga u desperate

>>717280049

Yeah. Since when have right-wing politicians been known for their trust? A leftist need not even exit their own wheelhouse to understand that shit.

>>717279002
>even my 8 year old nephew knows how to use a computer and doesnt think they are "complicated", but the fucking president of the most powerful nation on Earth does.

NIGGER you don't even know how to make a fucking TRANSISTOR which is the most fucking BASIC BITCH component to make a fucking SINGLE LOGIC GATE, of which you need HUNDREDS to build a functioning OUTDATED processor from the 1980's.

If you think it's not complicated you should kill yourself as passing on your DNA will contribute to the steady decline in intelligence of the general population.

Tldr; 10/10 bait. kys

>>717278392
>citizens just got tired of having a nigger destroy muh 'murica.
Has a higher approval rating than Trump, Clinton or Reagan. Americans love Obama.

>>717281433

But he's saying "I don't trust people" without realizing it.

That's why he's an idiot. He's blaming a tool for the actions of a people using it. Same as liberals blame guns for murders. It's just horrible shit tier logic. He has no ideas, no thought process, he's just an idiot.

>>717277500
You have any idea how many people are monitoring your every keystroke? Did you know that the director of the FBI covers the cameras on his own laptop?

>>717280839
He doesn't seem like a very bright man, I'd say its a safe assumption to say that he doesn't know how to put together a computer.

>>717279056
Just want to point out, studies shown the more the latest generation relies on smart technology for answers, the more ignorant they get and the less they understand about how they are doing things, and the more they must rely on others to complete goals.

>>717281629
Yesh. You don't need to be a liberal to think that Trump is retarded.

>>717281637

they dont monitor it. they just collect bulk data to be review later should they want to. in case you try to make a difference or some shit.

>>717281431
No no, I'm the man behind the camera, I come in after the dog gets things hott and messy and finishes things off with an epic climax.

>>717281499

I'm not sure where this fake argument of "are computers complicated" came from. It has nothing to do with Trump being a fearful idiot.

Of course they're complex machines. They're the most complex machines in the world. But to not "trust" them. That's some serious ignorance.

>>717281878
Yes* Fuck this phone.

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>>717279056
I'm 36 and I kind of feel you on this. But for me it was more positive, it made me extremely curious at a very early age about digital electronics. Maybe the difference is that roughly 10 year gap between us as you probably spent your childhood saturday mornings on mostly 70's era Hannah-Barbara where mine was GI-Joe, Voltron and Transformers.
My first experience with a video game was intellivision and my first computer exp, aside from the apple2es at school, was a PackardBell with a first gen CD-ROM. When you turned it on for the first time there was a intro video with a live action mime introducing you to the machines bullet points. I'll never forget the chill go down my spine when I saw actual live action video on a computer. Fucking mind blown. Doom, Wolfenstein, Descent, all on Windows3.1. I broke and reinstalled that thing so many goddamned times, taught myself how to use DOS, god those were the fucking days. And to witness the jump from NES to SNES was a thing you had to be there for to fully appreciate.

I'm nostalgia rambling. Anyway, yeah, kids can look back and appreciate retro but there's a unique magic to the experience that just can't be recreated. I hope you get something like that, I haven't messed with VR yet but everyone seems to bbe reasonably impressed.

>>717280984
That is a disturbing photo.

Guns are built to do what you tell them to do. Computers are built to do what you tell them to, but they do contrary things as well because they were also built to do those things.

>>717281627
Yeah, but they hate his policies. The Dem party has been decimated from the federal level all the way down to the local level. There's a huge disconnect b/w liking the guy personally and what he's done with policy at the federal level.

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>>717281629

Given the recent problems with cybersecurity it's a pretty damn sound thought process and you know it. You're expecting quite a lot of a digital non-native who's profession has nothing to do with computers. The idea that maybe we're not the best hackers in the world and don't have the best cyber-security is a refreshing break from his general tone of prideful nationalism and that you can't see him being charitable shows you're too indoctrinated to be worth further conversation. Being drunk is no excuse, either, I'm drunk as fuck, it's new years you disingenuous fuck.

>>717281629
>But he's saying "I don't trust people" without realizing it.

He might just be saying that there's a level of complexity that is dangerous. e.g. the fucking flash crash of financial markets in '08 (or whenever it was I forget) from high freq algo trading

>>717279659
kill yourself

>>717281943

Ok and when the baby puppy is born, it's boxed up and shipped to trump where he puts it on his head as a replacement wig.

>>717282052
You're literally describing Regan. His policies destroyed America in every way and yet still had a positive image in the minds of the ignorant. And now Trump will be the same just with much lower approval ratings.

>>717282028
>but they do contrary things as well
What the fuck are you on?

>>717281940
You need to pay more attention to what's going on.

>>717281415
>implying you didn't say your retarded mung of a nephew knew computers and didn't think they are complicated
If he finds comps simple, I don't see the issue with the request.
And for the record, I didn't vote for the orange slug. I'm just here to say if you think anything other than truly simple devices like pulleys and levers are simple, you're a hubristic moron.

>>717281959
Why would you put serious faith in a collection of algorithms when you don't understand how they work?

>>717282028

So guns only do what the person who built them intended for them to do? LOL

RIIIIIIIGHT

you realize the machine gun was invented by Helge Palmcrantz to end war right?

"this machine is so devastating that it will end all conflict, because no one will want to face the horror of it"

>>717282193
I feel good about this, a little too good.

>>717282028

You tell your gun to do things? What do you have a smart gun?

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>>717281751
makes sense , im curious any links, point taken but older fgts still dont know shit by and large computer wise than our younger fgt counterparts

>>717281990
my nigger, ya i need to get into gaming, ive been busy work wise without the time but i need to see how far nintendo as come i am pathetic gaming wise i dont even know what SNES is i guess super? anywho i would be cool since I grew up on that old ass shit to see the comparism

also someone else mentioned hairy box earlier ITT, i like hairy pussy, grew up fapping to 80's and 90's porn , fap wasnt even a word when i grew up BTW god dam im old

>>717282028
You're a moron. Just saying.
A firearm is constructed to propel a bullet in an arcing line, sans crosswind interference.
How it's used - illegally, or legally - is up to the person pulling the trigger.

>>717282242

There was great cocain in the reagan era though, that's why people loved him. Oliver North had military planes importing from south america millions of kilos a month.

Regan didn't know anything, it was like a party, like having a substitute teacher everyone in the government just did what they wanted.

>>717282326
Because algorithms don't lie, they are emotionless, they act based on numbers.

>>717282516
https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2016/06/is-technology-making-us-dumber-or-smarter-yes/amp/

>>717278273
Hillary's corruption got him to win. If she wasn't such a cunt, the emails wouldn't have done any damage.

>>717282326

I understand how math works. I understand computer basics.

It only gets more complex because you're stacking the same concepts ontop of eachother.

There's no "new math" in large algorithms. It's just the same math repeated in various ways to work out more complex operations.

I COULD understand each algorithm, if it went through it MANUALLY. But why the fuck would I do that. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON COMPUTERS EXIST. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT THE MACHINE DOES IT FOR YOU.

>>717281959
Sony hacking scandal. Bank fraud. Identity theft.
All these things are done via computer by and large anymore.
He's right not to trust them, considering how large a liability they are.

>>717282242
You're retarded. It's amazing how history has been re-written about Reagan. I lived through Carter - you think a 6 month recession at the end of W's term was anything but a blip on the radar... Carter, like Obama, crushed the economic engine of this country. Regan brought it back and started an historic 30 year run of prosperity.

>>717282949
>I understand how math works.
Please explain the integers.

>>717282326

>don't trust algorithms
>don't trust science
>evolutions is a conspiracy
>moon landing never happened
>Global warming is a conspiracy
>the earth is flat
>The devil walks among us
>only through god will you know truth and salvation
>things are complicated and I'm scared
>save me heavenly father I'm so scared of numbers and math
>daddy save me, daddy, mommy I want to be a baby again
>put me back in your uterus mommy, PLEASE!

>>717282361
Nothing at your school called "Reading Comprehension"? Guns are built to do what you tell them to do. You want to shoot a squirrel, you shoot a squirrel; you want to shoot a politician, you shoot a politician. The intentions of the person who built the gun are immaterial.

Computers are much different. You think you're using it but it's also using you. This began with Microsoft Windows and Intel 286 chip about a quarter-century ago: the innards of modern computers are collecting data on your clickstream and phoning that home.

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>>717282773
intedestingtring read, im too high to appreciate it but i get the gist i think, whats yo tldr version of it ?

>>717283140

Go back to second grade pleb.

>>717278030
>>717278030
>The same people who think Trump solicited Russia to hack him into the white house,

What do you mean to think? It's on the public record. He's on video asking them to hack. It was in the fucking news.

>>717282956
People did that, not computers.

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>>717283197

so now you're accusing a CPU of not only collecting data somehow and storing it, but "phoning home" Holy shit man you'll believe whatever Alex Jones tell you.

You know how rare modems where when 286's came out?

You know that you would need to write and run software to phone home, it would have very little to do with what type of CPU you're using

you know that everyone would know if the CPU was doing this, it couldn't be hidden that well.

If it wa hidden that well the likes of YOU would certainly never find out about it.

I'm sure you get GREAT acid where you live. Wish I had some of what you're on.

>>717283214
Collectively we are smarter thanks to instant facts at hand, individually we are smarter overall due to that saturation of information, yet also more stupid since we know that "X" works or does this or that, just not how or why it works, and should something go wrong you must rely on others to get things running again.

>>717282956

Yes people committed crimes using a tool known as a computer. What's your point?

You realize identity theft and bank fraud have existed longer than computers have?


You realize it's actually MORE difficult to get away with now than 200 years ago?

>>717283450
With computers.
Moron.
They used comps to exploit weaknesses in the cyber security of said systems - hence why they are a liability due to flaws of human users.

itt sheep talk about sheep things

/thread

>>717282763
Lotus 1-2-3 got sued in the late 1980s, sounding in product liability, by a building contractor because their winning bid was off by a factor of ten. The contractor felt that Lotus 1-2-3's algorithm was negligently liable for their loss. The court found that the contractor constructed the erroneous algorithm and so brought the problem on himself.

>inB4 spreadsheets don't kill people

>>717283731

you're right crime wasn't around until computers existed. banks were never robbed, and all security systems were impenetrable before computers.

Thank you for typing on your computer to inform me of how evil and scary computers are.

>>717283594
kinda like the kids who do best in school are the ones who are there intent on learning not just there to get good grades, today we dont know how things work, rely on others too much to explain and do it, and are more shallow?

>>717283778
/threading your own comment please kill yourself newcunt

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>>717283778

great contribution man, you really know how to not lurk more

>>717283731
So are weapons, but we can't say those are untrustworthy, because the pro-oompa loompa supporters wouldn't like that.

>>717282961
>6 month recession at the end of W's term
Recession lasted years. Bush like Reagan destroyed the economy. TWO recessions under Reagan alone. Savings and Loan scandal, bailouts, drugs for guns, contras, etc. Reagan was among the worst presidents in modern America.

>>717283594

Large systems require multiple specialists. It's the same on ships. One person can't do everything.

>>717283803
>1980
I really don't feel like I have to say it...

>>717282961

The economy is in excellent shape. Obama did a fantastic job. Employment is full near capacity. There's been a steady up turn since his first year in office.

Ease up on the fox news dude. Get some actual information.

>>717283730
Reading comprehension not your strong suit, is it?
I said computers are used in the majority of identity theft and other types of fraud or thefts now.
As in I acknowledged that these are not new crimes, only this is the new, hot way of committing them.
The more complex a machine or system becomes, the more chances there are for failure.
This is why hardly a week goes by that something makes the news with more hacking, fraud or scandal affecting people thanks to the illegal use of computers.

>>717283536
You might not have been alive when this happened. The Intel 80286 chip was built to US government specifications allowing third-party access. It was an issue at the time, but most people did not understand the implications and so it eventually became yesterday's news.

There has been a back door to Wintel systems ever since Windows 3.1. When Apple switched from Motorola to Intel, this issue was revived briefly. The consistency across hardware platforms was considered to be the overriding concern.

So the court found that human error was to blame... As it always is.

What's your point?

>>717283838
Nice strawman you got there. Hoping to scare away birds?
Guess you're too ignorant to understand what I said. See >>717284433 for the explanation.

>>717283845
Yup

>>717284014
I lived through this and can attest to the truth of anon's assertions.

>>717284002
Unsecured firearms in the hands of criminals are bad.
Unsecured computers able to be accessed by criminals are bad.
What's the common theme?
Criminals.

>>717284433

hardly a week goes by because hacking is the hot story now. There's like 8 billion people on the planet. News media finds hot topics, squeezes them dry for a few months then moves on. Hundreds of people are kidnapped everyday, hundreds of people are hacked everyday, hundreds or thousands of people are robbed at gunpoint.

In a world of 8billion. Hell in a country of 300 million you can pick any topic and convince EVERYONE there's an epidemic simply be deciding what gets coverage.

And guess why bank systems are so vulnerable. IT's human error. Cheap ass banks using cheap ass software to save money. Just like a cheap ass boat will sink, cheap software will get hacked.

Big companies are negligent. Computers are not the problem.

>>717284728
So what you are saying is, we shouldn't trust criminals? I'm ok with that.

>>717284582

go learn what straw man actually means before you try invoking it. You're embarrassing yourself.

>>717283278
Lol dumbass

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>>717284956

That's what any logical intelligent person would say.

But our shithead president is scared of techno voodoo. Fucking orangutan.

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>>717285128
>Trying this hard

>>717284071
It's about the same for ships actually. As little as 20 as many as 40 or so.
However, the sail powered crew could build and repair almost every component of their ship - new ships cannot do that with the technology and mechanical components needed for operations.
You also bring up another point the study mentioned - it's basically been the same type of intelligence increase and dumbing down for all the generations thanks to daily technologies.

>>717282961
A lot of ignorant posts in this thread but this one especially. Between you and the "bet you can't code" kid, this thread is a fucking waste.

>>717285299

So we're getting closer to hive mind.

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>>717285213

Well there's a first. :)

I've certainly never been accused of trying hard before. Feels kinda nice.

>>717284860
Except computers are the problem - they enable the mistakes to be made by the cheap/ignorant/negligent and crimes to be committed by those who would exploit the prior.
Computers - and people's lack of intelligence about them - is half of the equation as to why these crimes keep happening.
It is smart to be leery about using one.

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>>717277500
No, just perfected by a gay genius in England.

>>717285806

There's no getting rid of computers. They're an absolute necessity of modern life and the future. There's always exploits in any system. Once revealed they are corrected. These crimes took place in the paper trail era.

Being technophobic is the LAST THING that will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

even lagging slightly behind in computer technology will allow other countries to shoot miles ahead. Our computer tech is the ONE thing we have going over other nations these days. If we lose that, we have nothing.

>>717284958
You might want to brush up on what a strawman is, because you used one in your rebuttal.
You intimated that the claim was made those crimes didn't exist before computers - that was never said - it was said that computers are used in the majority of those crimes now.
You misrepresented the argument in order to make it easier to attack.

>>717285858

so you saw a movie about one of the thousands of people that advanced computer science exponentially. Congratulations.

>>717285465
That is an apt example.

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>>717278273
Whether Russia was actually involved or not (do you trust the CIA at their word?) the media isn't even trying to claim that the emails were altered. Whoever got Podesta's login credentials did us all a favor by dumping whatever they found.

Pity our own government can't deliver on actual transparency without the help of some drunk ass slav neckbeard.

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>>717286347

OMg this guys is still talking.

Now he's arguing about arguing. lol.

go away.

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>>717283536
>what is intel management engine?

If you don't know what you're talking about, playing the high horse isn't going to help, it just makes you look silly.

Thise outdated tactics only (sometimes) worked on r-type baby-boomers, not the Hacker Known as 4chan.
Faggot.

>>717285806
Alright your trolling

>>717286440
>Podesta'

but they found nothing. FBI investigation found no illegal activity. All it did was create controversy and mistrust.

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>>717286359
So you want another English genius?

>>717285682
>being this retarded

>>717283197
This just can't be implemented at a hardware level without compromising the chip design beyond any practicality. Anything like you propose would have to be implemented as software. This is why open source software is so critical. Open source projects might be bare bones at times, but the fact that anybody with the knowledge can see how it works and tell everybody if it does something it's not supposed to is a great way to keep software creators accountable.

>>717286559

You're talking about Intel AMT?

That was new with windows XP machines. That's like what, 10+ years after the 286 came out?


provide some evidence of your claims and maybe i'll take you seriously somewhat. So far nothing you say has matched up.

>>717286224
And until such a time occurs that cyber security worries are a thing of the past, it is wise to be leery of their use without proper safety experience with them.
I never said we should get rid of them, I have repeatedly said we should be leery of them.
They are a gateway to our mistakes with our safety and they are actively used against us daily even if we have no criminal intent.
It has been proven the government data mines everyone, all the time, in the name of national security supposedly to keep terrorism at bay.
Using London as an example - there is 1 surveillance camera for every 14 people in London, active, for a total of almost 425,000 cameras.
While the cameras provide a system to capture a criminal in the act of a crime, they also intrude on your daily life in a way that only helps after you are a victim, and only sometimes if a clear image of the criminal can be captured.
Technology in general is a double edged sword - and like all sharp things - you should be careful with it.

>>717278472
With the influx of 1 out of 7 people are confronted with stolwn indentities id say yea security is still complete shit and only getting worse

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>>717286440
They didn't find anything the DoJ qualifies as breaking the law. That was the point of all the coded verbiage.

You do not play dominoes on a fucking pizza while sober. Black and white checkered handkercheifs do not have pizza maps on them. Etc.

You want to shut your eyes and cover your ears, then do it. But you look foolish to everyone else.

>>717283594
Division of labor isn't a bad thing. Would you want the same guy growing your food, flying an airliner, and delivering babies? Letting people do things for each other means that we can specialize in our respective fields and get more done than we otherwise would. If you can trust most of everyone to act in rational self interest, it's reasonable to believe that they'll try to find something they're decent at, get better at it, and won't fuck it up on purpose when you pay them to do it based on how good they are at it.

>>717287291

He's trolling. HE=e's claiming that Intel amt calls home.

Sure it's exploitable, but no it doesn't gather and collect data. Skipt kiddo is up past his bed time on mushrooms.

>>717287739
Except as you know - people aren't rationale.
They are self destructive and prone to emotional outbursts for the silliest things.
Likewise, they can channel that to great use when needed.
Also, like in past millennia, money is the best incentive to get people to cooperate, even if it is in their best interest to not need monetary motivation.

>>717286224
Computers are pretty much out people use phones more. Identity fruad happened before computers but never to the capacity where it is now

>>717286224
If computer tech is what we have over all these nations why is our internet slow as fuck

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>>717287310
>Provide a youtube video with Microsoft and Intel CEOs and the executive branch admitting to wrongdoing.

I'll get right on that, myopic slow-wit. Meanwhile the rest of us will put character evidence and a damning history of continued spying and wrongdoing together without getting our amygdalas in a knot.

>>717288091
Most are, though. Not all, but most, and most of the time. This is why society can hold itself together for more than a couple days: because the sociopaths and the freaks know that if they do anything too stupid that men with guns are going to show up to put them down. It might not be a hard law, but it's a strong enough assumption to start building an economy around.

>>717288251

Because cable companies have a monopoly on fiber, and they are all pure evil racketeers. Especially comcast.