i dont know how to code, and i will admit that. but i know my way around them and can build a computer and a network and trouble shoot shit if i need to.
computers are so fucking mainstream and normal part of everyone's lives that saying: "I dont trust computers. they are complicated" is something only a fucking knuckle dragger from the early 20th century would say.
stop defending your fucking king there faggot. at least for one fucking moment.
>>717278472 >He didn't say "I don't trust the security" of a specific system. He said "I don't trust computers" Are you too stupid to read between the lines? With the current events happening, I'm almost 100% sure this is what trump was saying.
>He doesn't know shit about computers. It's fucking 2017 and he can't even pretend to have basic working knowledge of the tech systems that DOMINATE the world. Poor form Trump. Poor form indeed. It's fucking 2016.
>Also why are you so obsessed with hilary? It seems you plebs can't even talk about trump without bringing her up. It's very strange. Where did I say anything about Hillary?
>>717278679 >>717278679 >i dont know how to code, and i will admit that. but i know my way around them and can build a computer and a network and trouble shoot shit if i need to. Congrats you can play with legos...
>>717278679 >computers are so fucking mainstream and normal part of everyone's lives that saying: "I dont trust computers. they are complicated" is something only a fucking knuckle dragger from the early 20th century would say. Trump can sign into twitter, and by your definition he's now an expert computer user.
>>717278679 >stop defending your fucking king there faggot. at least for one fucking moment. stop sucking your boyfriends dick for one second and learn2notbgay
>>717278759 Yeah, if you are going to ask someone to build a computer and its components from scratch, shit I can see how that could be complicated. Using a computer is easy, made easier with the power of the internet. You can learn how to work a computer for free online.
>>717278422 Isn't Trump a 70 year old? He's like the young generation, pro at using it, shit at understanding it. It just werks. >>717278693 He doesn't need to. He doesn't need free porn, 100% of the reason we learn computah.
Of course they're complicated machines. That's not the point. He DOESN'T TRUST THEM. They completely run our world and he's afraid of them. He doesn't understand that people design and run them. Is he saying he doesn't trust the people behind the computers? Or does he not trust them MACHINES themselves.
Or does he even know what he's saying. He sounds like a foolish grandpa.
As someone who is an old(er) fag at 42 let me shed some light on all of this for you. No I am not as old as Trump but he like me was born before computers. You fgts were born into it, we adopted it. You fgts grew up with and on computers I was 26 when they became non-dialup. To someone like Trump computers are fucking confusing as fuck. It sucks every generation grows up thinking that they are smarter than the previous ones but in this case of you fgts actually are smarter at least fro a technology standpoint which is huge in this day and age. You fgts forget how old we are we don't know fuck all computers are not in our blood like it is yours. I grew up with a fucking Atari and Nintendo old school mario, now you fucks have virtual reality and gaming that blows my fucking mind and overwhelms an old asshole such as myself. not proofreading fuck off if grammar and spelling is off
Complicated is a relative term. Regardless it's irrelevant. Saying you don't trust something because it's complicated is an idiotic, fearful, ignorant response to technology. He sounds like a foolish old grandpa.
you really don't understand how computers convert text to screen? Are you 12?
There's a binary format for text shithead. ASCII in the upper level, then binary in the lower level. Do you understand how binary works?
If you can't understand basic binary I'm not going to waste my time explaining TCI/IP packets to you.
Uh, as someone who knows a lot about computers that's not altogether unreasonable. He's not saying he doesn't trust mathematics, he's talking about security. He doesn't distrust computers themselves but they way in which they're built, programmed and employed. Attempting to reduce this statement to "I distrust base 8 arithmetic taking place at high speeds" is pretty disingenuous, if anything he's throwing you a bone given the whole Russia thing.
>>717278679 >I can build a computer No, you can order pre-made parts and put them together like a child builds with legos, you're not actually building shit. You're just assembling at a 5th grade level.
>>717279327 My dad and I have always been kind of good at electronics and computers, we've discussed a few times how people should be taught how to build/maintain simple computers from an early age. A skilled individual could build a simple computer from complete scratch in a couple years if he was stranded completely away from any kind of society or technology, but it would require a set of skills overlapping that only a tiny number of people might have. Blacksmithing, survival, and eletrical technical skill are not commonly found all in one person. It can be done, but you're not likely to be the person who can.
He is not saying writing a code is complicated, he is not saying building computers is complicated, he is literally saying he is too stupid to use simple things made simpler for dim witted idiots. I guess signing into twitter and going on cocaine fueled rampages is a lot harder for him than I realized.
Trump can sign into twitter? Are you sure? Didn't his campaign team lock him out of his own account for the last week before the election so that he wouldn't say more stupid shit? Pretty much 100% sure that happened, lol.
>>717277500 >have files in a filing cabinet >would take a super spy to be physically there to steal >have files in a computer >all it takes is an idiot using factory default login/pw for a "hacker" to access them hmmm...
>1. US Gov has access to any US company's IT infrastructure.. >2. Amazon, Microsoft and Google are US Companies.. >3. AWS, AZURE, Google+.. >4. Everyone has an Amazon Account, Microsoft Account or Google Account.. >5. Alexa, Cortana, Google Assistant >6. Datamining.. >7. ohshit.jpg
>>717279687 I admit I am but my point is valid I am the last of a dying breed, I grew up without computers, all the einsteins in this thread are good with computers because that is all they do in life and should kill themselves, but the average asshole my age by and large is not good with computers not nearly as good as out younger counterparts
>>717277500 Nice dubs. I hope trump does somehow shutdown Facebook, internet, computers. Let's only have phones that can call and text. That is my idea of paradise in this day and age. Wish I was a guy in the 70's where it was acceptable to be ugly, do drugs and have plenty of sex. I wouldn't mind unshaved pussy tbh
Trump goes out of his way to say really stupid things when real news about him has been released. It's to change the narrative. The amazing thing is how well it works both in distracting his detractors and firing up his defenders.
>>717279997 So what? The leader of the free world should be an exception to that rule. I have higher standards for the president than I do for the average mouth breather...but then again, maybe I shouldn't.
>>717279997 dude im at 42 old and fat just ate at a buffet by myself in sweatpant no fucks to give way ahead of your 70's guy yolo aint that what you jits be saying these days, got money, gonna sex tour in se asia at some point
>>717280098 i agree i hate old people aint baby boomer tho fuck wad gen X i think , also you must be so cool on 4 chan on NYE im old no fucks to give whats your excuse , neckbeard LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>717279734 So some stupid Hollywood shit is more intelligent than scientists? AI would be no different from any other intelligent lifeform, they are less likely to be murderous psychopaths than an average human. An AI is no more dangerous than a creature that can think, being scared simply because they have minds of metal and not flesh is foolish.
>>717280311 I agree. I actually remember seeing ads on kids cereal boxes about being 'cybersafe' and not putting personal info ANYWHERE on the Internet. Im 25 now and still live by those ads. Needless to say I don't use Facebook and I honestly believe I'm better off without it. I use fake info on Twitter for news tho.
>>717280147 >>717280739 Right, that's why only 1 in 100 people in this country own computers. Same with vehicles, that's why we don't have mechanics, because everyone can just fix their own cars, or at least they should, since they know how to use them, they better know how to make them, and therefor fix any problems with them. >Your logic
Yeah but plebs can understand guns because they're more basic machines. You don't need to use your mind as much to use them.
You can't expect a small man like trump, and his legions of plebs to understand computers enough so that they're not scared by them. They'd rather just shoot them and use paper files, fall years behind all the other countries using computers, and go back to the industrial revolution era tech.
How so? Hillary got discredited pretty badly by underestimating her own cybersecurity needs and Trump was across the table from this using it to his advantage. If anything he's being remarkably honest and charitable for Donald Trump, I would assume he's in a good mood this new year's eve.
>>717279002 >even my 8 year old nephew knows how to use a computer and doesnt think they are "complicated", but the fucking president of the most powerful nation on Earth does.
NIGGER you don't even know how to make a fucking TRANSISTOR which is the most fucking BASIC BITCH component to make a fucking SINGLE LOGIC GATE, of which you need HUNDREDS to build a functioning OUTDATED processor from the 1980's.
If you think it's not complicated you should kill yourself as passing on your DNA will contribute to the steady decline in intelligence of the general population.
But he's saying "I don't trust people" without realizing it.
That's why he's an idiot. He's blaming a tool for the actions of a people using it. Same as liberals blame guns for murders. It's just horrible shit tier logic. He has no ideas, no thought process, he's just an idiot.
>>717279056 Just want to point out, studies shown the more the latest generation relies on smart technology for answers, the more ignorant they get and the less they understand about how they are doing things, and the more they must rely on others to complete goals.
>>717279056 I'm 36 and I kind of feel you on this. But for me it was more positive, it made me extremely curious at a very early age about digital electronics. Maybe the difference is that roughly 10 year gap between us as you probably spent your childhood saturday mornings on mostly 70's era Hannah-Barbara where mine was GI-Joe, Voltron and Transformers. My first experience with a video game was intellivision and my first computer exp, aside from the apple2es at school, was a PackardBell with a first gen CD-ROM. When you turned it on for the first time there was a intro video with a live action mime introducing you to the machines bullet points. I'll never forget the chill go down my spine when I saw actual live action video on a computer. Fucking mind blown. Doom, Wolfenstein, Descent, all on Windows3.1. I broke and reinstalled that thing so many goddamned times, taught myself how to use DOS, god those were the fucking days. And to witness the jump from NES to SNES was a thing you had to be there for to fully appreciate.
I'm nostalgia rambling. Anyway, yeah, kids can look back and appreciate retro but there's a unique magic to the experience that just can't be recreated. I hope you get something like that, I haven't messed with VR yet but everyone seems to bbe reasonably impressed.
>>717281627 Yeah, but they hate his policies. The Dem party has been decimated from the federal level all the way down to the local level. There's a huge disconnect b/w liking the guy personally and what he's done with policy at the federal level.
Given the recent problems with cybersecurity it's a pretty damn sound thought process and you know it. You're expecting quite a lot of a digital non-native who's profession has nothing to do with computers. The idea that maybe we're not the best hackers in the world and don't have the best cyber-security is a refreshing break from his general tone of prideful nationalism and that you can't see him being charitable shows you're too indoctrinated to be worth further conversation. Being drunk is no excuse, either, I'm drunk as fuck, it's new years you disingenuous fuck.
>>717282052 You're literally describing Regan. His policies destroyed America in every way and yet still had a positive image in the minds of the ignorant. And now Trump will be the same just with much lower approval ratings.
>>717281415 >implying you didn't say your retarded mung of a nephew knew computers and didn't think they are complicated If he finds comps simple, I don't see the issue with the request. And for the record, I didn't vote for the orange slug. I'm just here to say if you think anything other than truly simple devices like pulleys and levers are simple, you're a hubristic moron.
>>717281751 makes sense , im curious any links, point taken but older fgts still dont know shit by and large computer wise than our younger fgt counterparts
>>717281990 my nigger, ya i need to get into gaming, ive been busy work wise without the time but i need to see how far nintendo as come i am pathetic gaming wise i dont even know what SNES is i guess super? anywho i would be cool since I grew up on that old ass shit to see the comparism
also someone else mentioned hairy box earlier ITT, i like hairy pussy, grew up fapping to 80's and 90's porn , fap wasnt even a word when i grew up BTW god dam im old
>>717282028 You're a moron. Just saying. A firearm is constructed to propel a bullet in an arcing line, sans crosswind interference. How it's used - illegally, or legally - is up to the person pulling the trigger.
>>717282242 You're retarded. It's amazing how history has been re-written about Reagan. I lived through Carter - you think a 6 month recession at the end of W's term was anything but a blip on the radar... Carter, like Obama, crushed the economic engine of this country. Regan brought it back and started an historic 30 year run of prosperity.
>don't trust algorithms >don't trust science >evolutions is a conspiracy >moon landing never happened >Global warming is a conspiracy >the earth is flat >The devil walks among us >only through god will you know truth and salvation >things are complicated and I'm scared >save me heavenly father I'm so scared of numbers and math >daddy save me, daddy, mommy I want to be a baby again >put me back in your uterus mommy, PLEASE!
>>717282361 Nothing at your school called "Reading Comprehension"? Guns are built to do what you tell them to do. You want to shoot a squirrel, you shoot a squirrel; you want to shoot a politician, you shoot a politician. The intentions of the person who built the gun are immaterial.
Computers are much different. You think you're using it but it's also using you. This began with Microsoft Windows and Intel 286 chip about a quarter-century ago: the innards of modern computers are collecting data on your clickstream and phoning that home.
>>717283214 Collectively we are smarter thanks to instant facts at hand, individually we are smarter overall due to that saturation of information, yet also more stupid since we know that "X" works or does this or that, just not how or why it works, and should something go wrong you must rely on others to get things running again.
>>717282763 Lotus 1-2-3 got sued in the late 1980s, sounding in product liability, by a building contractor because their winning bid was off by a factor of ten. The contractor felt that Lotus 1-2-3's algorithm was negligently liable for their loss. The court found that the contractor constructed the erroneous algorithm and so brought the problem on himself.
>>717283594 kinda like the kids who do best in school are the ones who are there intent on learning not just there to get good grades, today we dont know how things work, rely on others too much to explain and do it, and are more shallow?
>>717282961 >6 month recession at the end of W's term Recession lasted years. Bush like Reagan destroyed the economy. TWO recessions under Reagan alone. Savings and Loan scandal, bailouts, drugs for guns, contras, etc. Reagan was among the worst presidents in modern America.
>>717283730 Reading comprehension not your strong suit, is it? I said computers are used in the majority of identity theft and other types of fraud or thefts now. As in I acknowledged that these are not new crimes, only this is the new, hot way of committing them. The more complex a machine or system becomes, the more chances there are for failure. This is why hardly a week goes by that something makes the news with more hacking, fraud or scandal affecting people thanks to the illegal use of computers.
>>717283536 You might not have been alive when this happened. The Intel 80286 chip was built to US government specifications allowing third-party access. It was an issue at the time, but most people did not understand the implications and so it eventually became yesterday's news.
There has been a back door to Wintel systems ever since Windows 3.1. When Apple switched from Motorola to Intel, this issue was revived briefly. The consistency across hardware platforms was considered to be the overriding concern.
hardly a week goes by because hacking is the hot story now. There's like 8 billion people on the planet. News media finds hot topics, squeezes them dry for a few months then moves on. Hundreds of people are kidnapped everyday, hundreds of people are hacked everyday, hundreds or thousands of people are robbed at gunpoint.
In a world of 8billion. Hell in a country of 300 million you can pick any topic and convince EVERYONE there's an epidemic simply be deciding what gets coverage.
And guess why bank systems are so vulnerable. IT's human error. Cheap ass banks using cheap ass software to save money. Just like a cheap ass boat will sink, cheap software will get hacked.
Big companies are negligent. Computers are not the problem.
>>717284071 It's about the same for ships actually. As little as 20 as many as 40 or so. However, the sail powered crew could build and repair almost every component of their ship - new ships cannot do that with the technology and mechanical components needed for operations. You also bring up another point the study mentioned - it's basically been the same type of intelligence increase and dumbing down for all the generations thanks to daily technologies.
>>717284860 Except computers are the problem - they enable the mistakes to be made by the cheap/ignorant/negligent and crimes to be committed by those who would exploit the prior. Computers - and people's lack of intelligence about them - is half of the equation as to why these crimes keep happening. It is smart to be leery about using one.
There's no getting rid of computers. They're an absolute necessity of modern life and the future. There's always exploits in any system. Once revealed they are corrected. These crimes took place in the paper trail era.
Being technophobic is the LAST THING that will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
even lagging slightly behind in computer technology will allow other countries to shoot miles ahead. Our computer tech is the ONE thing we have going over other nations these days. If we lose that, we have nothing.
>>717284958 You might want to brush up on what a strawman is, because you used one in your rebuttal. You intimated that the claim was made those crimes didn't exist before computers - that was never said - it was said that computers are used in the majority of those crimes now. You misrepresented the argument in order to make it easier to attack.
>>717278273 Whether Russia was actually involved or not (do you trust the CIA at their word?) the media isn't even trying to claim that the emails were altered. Whoever got Podesta's login credentials did us all a favor by dumping whatever they found.
Pity our own government can't deliver on actual transparency without the help of some drunk ass slav neckbeard.
>>717283197 This just can't be implemented at a hardware level without compromising the chip design beyond any practicality. Anything like you propose would have to be implemented as software. This is why open source software is so critical. Open source projects might be bare bones at times, but the fact that anybody with the knowledge can see how it works and tell everybody if it does something it's not supposed to is a great way to keep software creators accountable.
>>717286224 And until such a time occurs that cyber security worries are a thing of the past, it is wise to be leery of their use without proper safety experience with them. I never said we should get rid of them, I have repeatedly said we should be leery of them. They are a gateway to our mistakes with our safety and they are actively used against us daily even if we have no criminal intent. It has been proven the government data mines everyone, all the time, in the name of national security supposedly to keep terrorism at bay. Using London as an example - there is 1 surveillance camera for every 14 people in London, active, for a total of almost 425,000 cameras. While the cameras provide a system to capture a criminal in the act of a crime, they also intrude on your daily life in a way that only helps after you are a victim, and only sometimes if a clear image of the criminal can be captured. Technology in general is a double edged sword - and like all sharp things - you should be careful with it.
>>717283594 Division of labor isn't a bad thing. Would you want the same guy growing your food, flying an airliner, and delivering babies? Letting people do things for each other means that we can specialize in our respective fields and get more done than we otherwise would. If you can trust most of everyone to act in rational self interest, it's reasonable to believe that they'll try to find something they're decent at, get better at it, and won't fuck it up on purpose when you pay them to do it based on how good they are at it.
>>717287739 Except as you know - people aren't rationale. They are self destructive and prone to emotional outbursts for the silliest things. Likewise, they can channel that to great use when needed. Also, like in past millennia, money is the best incentive to get people to cooperate, even if it is in their best interest to not need monetary motivation.
>>717288091 Most are, though. Not all, but most, and most of the time. This is why society can hold itself together for more than a couple days: because the sociopaths and the freaks know that if they do anything too stupid that men with guns are going to show up to put them down. It might not be a hard law, but it's a strong enough assumption to start building an economy around.
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