Let's start one of these threads > 19 > studying

you got the link?

https://www.politicalcompass.org

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It didn't even ask me about the jews.

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Heres mine.

>>713549166
DIE COMMIE!

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>>713549241
Lol

So /b/ really is full of lefties these days. They said it was a conspiracy, but I believed.

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I have no opinions what so ever

>>713547068
Same general area as OP, bit closer to the center of the green square. For the most part my political views follow a basic concept of consent; don't fuck with me unless my actions are directly affecting you. Likewise, I won't fuck you unless your actions are directly affecting me.

It's unfortunate, though; I can't possibly call myself a democrat or liberal despite leaning left on most things. I'm honestly not surprised Trump won, with how the left has collapsed into a quivering pile of pussies and dyed hair. Trump didn't win because of some sleeping giant on the right rising and crushing the opposition. The left shot itself in the leg over and over this election, and STILL hasn't figured out that you can't win a race hobbling forward on one foot.

>>713551176
Someone gets it. There's hope for this board after all.

reminder that "liberal" is the purple square and "libertarian" is just the bottom of the Y axis

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Hmm

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Why are there so many greenfags in this board?

>>713553020
btw, purple master race.

>>713553020
you realise purples dont understand science because most deny climate change?

>>713553020
Because muh free market doesn't hold up. Most purple fags are total Rothbard fags, and never question the viability of markets. Likewise, Atlas Shrugged is some shitty incorrect literature.

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>>713553560

uMad?

>>713553458
I'ts getting colder asswipe.

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>>713547068
>20
>studying history and political science
>white protestant male

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>>713554405
Somewhere in the blue. Not religious at all weirdly.

>>713554492
mah nigga

>>713550510
But you lean conservative.

>>713554448
dear god you're retarded

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>19
>neet
>fuck capitalism 2bh

>>713553020
Because /b/ has always been predominantly liberal, contrary to popular memes.

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Can someone tell me why the website shows Hitler as a blue square? He was a socialist. Given that the x-axis is for economics, he should be in the red square.

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>>713547068

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>>713553020

>>713555251
Also, this is what happens when you choose strongly disagree on every question.

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>>713555347
Fuck, forgot image.

>>713554624
But there's no such thing as anarcho communism...

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me

>>713554682
it is cuckfacehttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-20/antarctic-peninsula-cooled-in-past-two-decades-as-world-warmed

>>713555087
see
>>713552516


>>713555251
the nazi party was as socialist as the democratic republic of congo is democratic


>>713555745
>doesn't understand what climate change means
>links a retarded article with no scientific evidence
ok

>>713555512
by definition, communism's end game is anarchism

>>713555555

>>713555512

Could be referring to a belief in unorganized welfare. Like, help me when I need it but piss off when I don't. Nigger basically.

>>713555862
Reminder that political ideology has no lines.

>>713555862
But communism must be enforced. Anarchy has no enforcement agencies.

>>713553020
Goddamn nigger trump is president now have fun getting reported back to China you retard spick

>>713556087
read the communist manifesto or some bakunin

>>713555862
But I've watched numerous Hitler speeches were he talks about redistribution of wealth. He was a socialist.

>>713554604
Are you gay

>>713556211
No. Am straight, autistic, and single.

But the last one goes without saying.

>>713556180

What is Marxism?

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>>713547068
surprised im more conservative, i call myself a democrat. (not a liberal though)

>>713555969
>dude what if ideas don't mean anything
>hits bong

>>713556207
he never talks about that, ever
he talks about removing the jewish elite

>>713556304
clearly you haven't read marx if you don't understand communism and anarchism are synonymous

>>713556396

I'm advocating for that assertion. Not the tool playing devil's advocate.

>>713556396
>dude what if ideas don't mean anything
>hits bong

You're being sarcastic, but you should see how there are people who think Nazism wasn't right-wing authoritarianism, and claim it's liberal. The alt-right actually believes this.

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>>713556396
hitler was undoubtedly a socialist and deny that is ridiculous. although the OP who claimed Hitler talked about redistribution of wealth is kind of bullshitting, Hitler certainly held public works and heavy government interference as basic principles in governing. these are simple facts, and i hope you're not denying them too.

>>713556396
>clearly you haven't read marx if you don't understand anarcho-communism and anarchism are synonymous

Fixed it for you. You should be careful when making this error.

>tfw really closeto stalin
Damn

>>713556948
damn as in dissappointment or happiness?

>>713556643
yes I'll admit there's a lot of relativism that comes into play, but from a historical non retarded standpoint (exclude all /pol/ users and stormfags) it's very easy to distinguish certain movements and categorise them

>>713556740
he persecuted socialists in his country, banned trade unions and did numerous other things that would outrage any moderate socialist
he enforced state capitalism, which from a modern american standpoint may seem like socialism but it is completely different

>>713556795
>The section ends by outlining a set of short-term demands—among them aprogressive income tax; abolition of inheritances and private property; freepublic education; nationalisation of the means of transport and communication; centralisation of credit via a national bank; expansion of publicly owned etc.—the implementation of which would result in the precursor to a stateless andclassless society.

from wikipedia page of communist manifesto because it's easier than quoting the real thing
communism=stateless=anarchism

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>>713557061
Not sure also didn't post picture for some reason.

>>713556396
He took Jewish wealth. And redistributed it to the people.

>>713557571
but he didn't see that as the typical socialist would, it was more of a revenge against the jewry he blamed for Europe's problems. I don't think he believed that this applied to any other wealthy peoples.

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i think we can all agree that green=cuck

>>713558168
>he says as he bows down to suck his jewish boss's wrinkly cock
>"you worked very hard sir, you've earned this"

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I voted for trump

>>713557141
Statelessness can be leftist or rightist though. For example, even fascism can exist in a hypothetical stateless society. There's another spectrum in this, not just the left vs right, but also the authoritarian vs libertarian spectrum.

Marxism isn't the same as anarcho-capitalism (anarchism)
>Marxism: leftist, statist
>Anarcho-capitalism: leftist, libertarian

Anarcho-communism =/= Marxism

They should really change the name and remove "communism" from it, too much baggage because Marxism failed miserably during WW2 Russia and elsewhere. But anarcho-communism hasn't had a real opportunity to prove itself.

My personal political ideologies have no real influence today. For example, I believe in direct democracy, established through electronic direct democracy, with libertarian leanings, leaders should be geniocratic (those with the highest IQs can only be elected), also a class of technocrats, with an central goal of a balance of rapid technological progression and social harmony, based on aggressive centrism- for the legitimate political ideologies of the left and right to compromise for these goals. Humans need to change or everyone will continue to favor centuries old antiquated ideologies even though they have proven to fail

>So don't think I'm defending communism is what I'm saying, whatever that is.

>>713558468
nice pic but friedman and mussolini should swap places on the X axis

>>713558810
fascist ideology always places the state in the middle of all, and is by definition authoritarian but neither left nor right wing

also i dont want to get involved in needless arguing of what the differences between Marxism and communism are but marx defined his communism as
[STATE=goes into>ANARCHY]
initially authoritarian then anarchist, which is his end goal

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Better dead than red.

>>713559139
>fascist ideology always places the state in the middle of all, and is by definition authoritarian but neither left nor right wing
But in a true pure direct democracy, the people would have some real power to legislate on EVERY legislation, unlike in a statist representative republic.

Also anarchy =/= anarchism. You misunderstand these concepts so it will be impossible to continue.

>>713555251

you fuckin retard

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God flood the earth

>>713558168
Red = cuck
Blue = nazi
Purple = AnCap edgelord
Green = just wanna smoke some weed

>>713559392
anarchy is the absence of state
anarchism is its ideology

what definitions are you using nigger

>>713547068
>Let's start one of these threads
>
>> 19
>> studying computer sience
>> I guess im more liberal than co servative, although I'm not one of those libfags that get triggered anything.
Curtin uni?

>>713556740

The educational system has failed you.

>>713559650
Anarchy is a pejorative word. It's not a synonym for anarchism. Just as the word socialism doesn't mean it's the most 'social' ideology because of the word social in it.

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roast me

>>713559844
anarchy is the absence of a state, it's only pejorative because people use it like that, just like communism
anarchism is just the idea of having an anarchy

>>713559582
>77% tradition
The king would execute you for disobeying God's commandment against homosexual sex with men. The king hates fags who don't follow the religious tradition.

>>713559860
Nah, I think you're pretty cool.

>>713559614
*Red = cuck or commie.

>>713559978
And shills claim the US is a democracy, but it's not. It's a representative republic. Direct democracy is actual democracy. A republic is a fake democracy that shouldn't even be considered as a sub-type.

>>713560056
Anything can be made tradition given enough time and a degenerate enough culture like roman sodomy and pederasty and all forms of paganism. So i'm wary of it in some respects. Good tradition hinges on a good people and a good culture, and man is a despicable creature that you can't put your faith in.

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>>713554864
>>19
>>neet
>>fuck capitalism 2bh
have a (you)

>>713560070
hey thanks buddy

i'd personally put myself further up but answering that you support lgbt rights, weed legalization, or anything similar you get pushed towards libertarian. i've heard the creator's biased but i don't really give a shit

>>713559741
lol

>>713560668
it's an abysmal chart

here http://www.politicallyincorrect.work/extras/polspectrum/

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I thought I'd score further right but oh well.

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>white, semi good looking but kissless virgin
>studying internetworking CS
>looking to start a business in the future
someone said blue=nazi, explain maybe?

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>20
>poli sci major, econ minor
>bi, mostly into guys, white af

>>713553020
I've got a Ph.D. in economics from US university (the program was ranked as 20th best at the time) and I am deep in the green zone.
Most of the "muh free market" dudes don't get the fact that a free market is not always a competitive one, and sometimes markets fail especially when property rights are not clearly defined or third parties are effected.
To sum it up, you are a faggot!

>>713560904

>>713555310
now, this is one I understand!

>>713561999
wanna go live innawoods with a bf?

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Damn song notification.

>>713551176
The same amount of people voted for Trumo in 2016 as voted for Romney in 2012.
Republicans didn't win, the Democrats just lost.

>>713562369
i'm down tbh

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>>713547068
>I guess im more liberal than co servative, although I'm not one of those libfags that get triggered anything.

It's a shame that I notice some liberals/leftists whatever you are, are bullied by /pol/ and /b/ into defending your rationality, temperance, and moderation by making virtually self-hating statements like that.

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threadly reminder

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>>713547068
>21
>studying CS
>i like aspects of both...protectionism and regulation. libertarian socially cause i'm not a cunt

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>>713562700
do you already have a plan worked out?
where are we heading?

>>713562831
This.

>>713553020
>purplefag who thinks calling people "cuck" is the epitome of wit
>sane, rational and peaceful person

>>713555251
National Socialism isn't the same as regular socialism. Hitler and Nazism is authoritarian Conservative, so in the top right. Along with American Republicans.

>>713562937
somewhere in upstate NY? maybe the adirondacks?

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>being anywhere other than green

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>>713563059
I don't mind anything in new england tbh, i've been to NH once and loved it so much
wanna live in a secluded area of white mountain?
I'll cook for you :p

>>7135632170
yes please! i don't mind doing the hunting c:

>>713555632
same

>>713563467
meant for >>713563270

smh nobody talking about blues besides calling them slave owners and nazis. Any actual realistic assumptions/generalizations?

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>>713563505
Do you have nice guns?
I'm not from USA so i don't get guns but if you wanna you can teach me and we can have nice old wooden rifles and stuff like that :p
what guns do you like?

>>713563642
Authoritarian is subservience to authority. It's the opposite of progress, freedom and individuality. It's the path of slavery and the end of civilization.
Thay's bad.

>>713555862
>redistribution of wealth
>universal healthcare
>planned economy
Yeah, Hitler was a socialist.

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>>713563642
>Any actual realistic assumptions/generalizations?
>authoritarian rightists
They're the true cucks who bend over and spread their boipuccies for the leader, their thugs, and the state that they have no influence over. They are masochists, they hate freedom, but they love when people with more power than them fuck them up the ass while singing the national anthem and other songs like this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5ZRE26YWM

>>713564037
>Letting any fool do anything he wants is the be-all, end-all of human progress.

Have people even been outside the basement see what normal human beings are like?

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>>713564314
>when you can only think in binary terms

01011001011011110111010100100111011100100110010100100000011000010010000001100110011000010110011101100111011011110111010000101110

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>>713553458
>implying that denying climate change implies you don't understand science

>omg the icey cap is mewlting

Libdog ass lickers are the ones who don't understand science - if the fucking ice cap melts on one side then it grows on the other side you fucking incompetent nigger

>>713564711

When your views are against the whole of the international scientific establishment, you are the one who needs to re-examine your beliefs.

>>713564265
>>713561430
I have respect for those who are higher in the corporate ladder than me, but I feel that's a good trait to have. Moderate blue. Not sure how this makes me a cuckboi. Explain.

>>713563858
I don't own any guns, yet
I really want a Mosin Nagant tho

>>713565178
ok so we'll get a Nagant c:
do you like schnitzel? i make great schnitzel and chicken fingers so we need a chicken farm too!
Or we can always try more vegetarian foods if that's what you like .-.

>>713565467
nah, we need dat meat c:

>>713565064

Sounds like you're a moderate Republican. Coming from a leftist, I think you're prolly alright (considering what claims Republican affiliation these days).

>>713564958
shut up nigger fucking ice cap fUCKIGN IDIOT SHUT UP NIGGER NIGGER

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>>713565696

Double nigger.

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>>713565545
i'll be getting enough meat already ;p
do you also play an instrument?
i can play the guitar but i wanna get a balalaika!

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>>713565696
dafuq

>>713561430

semigoodlooking

kissless


lel

Can anyone else remember the last time they met someone mature and patient enough to agree to disagree when discussing politics? Seems like these days you get written off as an extremist and shouted down as fast as possible.

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ok

>>713566084
bass! we can start a band c:

>>713566181
Fuck off, still just waiting for someone I click with I guess. So many obvious missed opportunities in high school I regret being too dumb to notice.

>>713566504

sure bud.

thats not how it works when youre even a bit good looking. ask anyone you know.

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Seems right

>>713566233

I blame the education system. Though, I myself will routinely "write people off"; I don't fancy getting into constant arguments with them over the fundamental disagreements we will inevitably have. It is neither relaxing nor productive.

Still, this is done silently and in an unobtrusive manner; they are entitled to their own opinion, I just don't want to fucking hear it.

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>>713549767
>>713556508
>>713563950
when we hangin out bois?


>>713566445
me

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>>713566502
what kind of music do you like?

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Bit surprised due to my strong conservative views but alright I guess.

>>713566504
>shill
>using it wrong
Lurk moar, newfag.

>>713553020

moderate liberalism isn't a big deal, as long as you're not on the end of any of these spectrums you could easily be a reasonable logical person....

And I pull 6 figs working as a computer scientist and I'm mild green, so no

>>713559860

How much weed can you buy from your daily bit coin mining?

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>>713566926
I conveniently just made this a few days ago! yourself?

For some reason, i can't post the full version because the file size is too big? i hope this isn't shit quality

Activism spot is master race.

>>713559860
I'd prefer you over your complete opposite, the retard in the top right blue corner.

>uuuh where is my place between two self-refuting goal post definitions

>yeah right in the center looks good

fuck duality
it's all one, baby

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"Go ahead and shoot me. You'll only kill a newfag."

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Spekr puts me a few notches lower

>>713567784
You're a good newfag though. Just lurk moar a bit and be a good anon. Don't be a useful idiot for any president. This is the Anonymous way.

>>713567407
I'm listening to Wu-Tang Clan right now. Good stuff.

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>>713560904
k, this seems more right tbh

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>>713547068
If you're young and not a richfag/autist/SJW you're most likely in the green.

>>713568733
FEET

As long as you're in the bottom half and you avoid the corners you're alright with me.

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we must fight communism everywhere

>>713569175
mein brother

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Which is funny because I'm a monarchist. I guess my ideology has an emphasis on classical liberalism and my politics authoritarian.

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wew lads

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>>713567407
i like metal or folk but i'm open to any genre :p

>>713569175
>>713569293
Mein samefag

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>>713547068
25, information security student & pizza driver, married with a kid on the way, nonreligious.

I just wish social issues weren't so high up on candidates' platform. I'm certainly left-leaning when it comes to women's abortion rights, gay marriage, separation of church and state. However I tend to be in the middle leaning right when it comes to economics.

Also for what its worth, with regard to gay marriage, take the state out of it. If churches want to exclude gays then let them. Give them a nondenominational option that affords them the exact same rights a married couple has. Essentially being married in all but name.

Also I feel that states should have more autonomy over their laws, a national set of laws is still important.

>>713569175
That low level support would get you executed by Hitler as a political enemy.

>>713569318
Every country has a leader, whether you call him king, president, etc. Spain still has a monarchy and it isn't fascist level or very authoritarian, for example. Obviously you're not a bootlicking cuck judging by your score. Nothing wrong with having a good king, as long as he doesn't have absolute power and knows the people will kill him if he steps out of line.
>French Revolution
>American Revolution

>>713568350
I think that was my first post on /b/ in several years actually...I lurk pretty goddamn religiously though.

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seems in tune with the rest of this thread

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Make Robespierre a moderate.

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>>713570021
Well my ideal political scheme would be a secular constitutional empire with an absolute ruler, preferably one who is benevolent towards the nation he/she leads. I am greatly interested with enlightenment era Germany/ Austro-Hungary. I look forward for the restoration of the house of Hohenzollern. Also born and raised in Canada yet my political philosophy greatly differs from the majority of my generation.

>>713570872
So, you, like most people look to the past, but I look to the future.

See:
>>713558810
>My personal political ideologies have no real influence today. For example, I believe in direct democracy, established through electronic direct democracy, with libertarian leanings, leaders should be geniocratic (those with the highest IQs can only be elected), also a class of technocrats, with an central goal of a balance of rapid technological progression and social harmony, based on aggressive centrism- for the legitimate political ideologies of the left and right to compromise for these goals. Humans need to change or everyone will continue to favor centuries old antiquated ideologies even though they have proven to fail

>>713570872
what is your stance on memes

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>>713571154

I too feel it is time to revisit the idea of a direct democracy, aided and abetted by the globe-spanning networks we have today.

Most I propose the idea to don't seem very taken with it, if they even understand me at all.

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>>713571154
I don't look to the past for solutions or political creed, rather just analysis of human behavior and events.
>>713571299
Love them, I'm making my own meme page for political satire on fb

>>713571398
It will take some right-wing authoritarian tragedy, possibly leftist authoritarian tragedy first to make libertarianism more popular. The people need to know what full blown totalitarianism is like, then they'll become de facto libertarians. This is how direct democracy will be achieved, as the result of the next current wave of totalitarianism that's brewing in the West. Libertarianism won't ever happen by electing politicians to create a direct democracy. Libertarianism will be an electronic revolution against electronically-based totalitarianism, resulting in the establishment of electronic direct democracy. This is the future.

>>713553458
It's less denial and more acceptance that at the most we are speeding up the natural process of the world's weather.

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>>713571993

I feel the current incarnation of the internet is already a lost cause. Hopefully the slow fallback to a more decentralized darknet goes well.

>>713572054

Not even close. We were headed back into another ice age. Global warming has _completely_ reversed that trend in a frighteningly short amount of time.

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>>713571154
That is an idealistic belief justified in assumption rather than reality. Political ideologies don't have influence because the majority of people are not willing to do what needs to be done to instill their ideas. Ideologies aren't currently a force because bureaucratics and democracy has watered down an individuals intrinsic right to liberty and also to utilize that liberty. Just because you can come up with a utopian secular political society and assume in order for it to work, the inherent Human perspective and psyche needs to change is similar to Marxism. This is why I am an imperialist. Political and societal utopian theories distract and degrade reality in the pursuit of idealism and utopia. The phrase "too perfect to be true" comes in handy as a retort to that bollocks. Embrace realpolitik, not idealism.
samefag as >>713571603

>>713571993
What makes you think direct democracy will lead to libertarianism? It could easily lead to tyranny of the majority.
Refer to direct democracies of ancient greece.
The best bet for libertarianism is a benevolent limited constitutional monarchy.

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>>713547068
Unfortunately the world is moving toward hard right authoritarian autocracy. I hope it burns.

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>>713572261
I agree, and that's also why I mentioned why humans need to change. Information literacy is a must. Most are incapable of finding information, or are easily influenced by propaganda, misinformation, disinformation. But every generation gets more and more information literate, and more and more hackers. Hopefully the trend continues to increase, and not decrease, if not maybe the movie Idiocracy was right.

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>>713572492
I whole-heartedly agree with the entirety of your last statement.

>>713572404
All political action starts as idealism. Just look at history, nothing stays the same, although it does later repeat itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

I'm sure the British and the French king never anticipated all this happening and here we are, enjoying the benefits of the idealism of revolutionaries a few centuries ago.

>>713572492
Libertarianism will lead to electronic direct democracy.

>>713572492

I don't believe in the "tyranny of the majority". If the majority thinks it right, then it must be so. This is the only logical position a moral relativist like myself could take.

Not him, by the way.

>>713572404
>This is why I am an imperialist.
You are the enemy. Always have been, always will be.

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>>713548293

This is a legitimate response if you are purple.

Also MA Econ here.

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>>713572928
Not at idealism, it starts at the door of corruption and ineffectiveness. Idealism is the faith that gives hope to the revolutionary but it is not the genesis of it. Both those are not sponsored events of idealism rather effect to corrupt causes that impeded on intrinsic civil rights and liberties. I do not and will not accept idealism as the epitome of what politics should strive for. Nature and reality is too reliant on entropy to consider Human idealism a rational premise.

>>713562831

>Liberty, but every thing is paid for by gov't

Makes no sense. No taxes but others should pay for everything. Green is people who want liberty while others paying for everything instead of paying your self.

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>>713564037
Well suck it up buttercup, because the forecast for the next few decades ain't lookin' so hot.

>>713573434

Who said anything about no taxes?

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>>713573066
an imperialist with no racial, cultural, ethnic or individual prejudice or sense of superiority. I am simply attracted and interested about the concept of a grandiose and prosperous empire. I do not wish to conquer anything or one of the world rather I want to conquer progress and solidarity of Humanity with an absolute ruler and a constitution to protect the citizen.

>>713571993
Unfortunately, these things take a long time, so there's a good chance you will not witness such a thing in your life time. You WILL get to experience totalitarianism, however. So you get all the suck without any of the pay off.

>>713573574

Hello fellow Nier enthusiast.

>>713572398
Do you not understand how the cycle of planetary weather works? We are constantly heading into another ice age, at least that's the current theory. Part of the planetary cycle is the release of harmful gasses into the atmosphere, most of which before humanity came from animals and volcanoes.

>>713573913
Can you post anything that discredits what is now legitimate scientific fact? Sounding like a coal lobbyist isn't a good start.

>>713564037
It's not the end of civilization, it's another portion of it throughout history cultures have grown to be strong from democratic and republican backgrounds, and when they start to fall they turn authoritative, and then they get the real fall. It happened to the Greeks, it happened to the Romans, it happened to the Brits (though in a bit of an odd way) and it will happen to America as well. The circle of Authoritarianism and true freedom is constant, you just have to try to make it last for as long as possible during the free eras and not give in to the power that totalitarianism and imperialism promises on a national level.

>>713573979
You are pretty stupid huh? Are you even past high school? It's common knowledge that the ice age we know during the era of dinosaurs was caused by just this. The release of gasses into the atmosphere caused extremely warm temperaturtes that eventually gave way to the ice age, which then gave way to us. It's the cycle of the planet to deal with the gasses we, cattle, our cars, and our factories give out. What we've done is speed up the process, but the world will continue to exist regardless of what we do and so too will life. We may not survive if we don't adequately prepare hot houses or shelter, but life certainly will in some form and that's all I really care about.

>>713574100
The issue is the romans, greeks, brits (at the time) did not have nuclear capabilities or really, any of the abilities granted to us by modern science and technology.

An authoritarian and totalitarian wave hitting the world, like it is now, could easily lead to nuclear war that wipes out civilization. Especially since authoritarians are almost always very combative

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>>713573871
I'm not sure what you mean could you elaborate on that term?

>>713574253
The USSR was totalitarianism and we survived that, and we have anti-nuclear weaponry now that we didn't back then. The only thing we have to fear is a Brave New World era were no one cares because their empathy is drowned in pleasure. Regardless freedom and individuality will always emerge from such things.
As it's said, If there is hope it's in the proles, and the proles are fickle as fuck.

>>713574213
>>713573913

All of that is completely incorrect gibberish. None of it is supported by incoming data or fossil records.

>>713574482
Says the man providing no evidence and spewing crap.

>>713574372

OK, guess not. That dude created a totally awesome videogame called Nier. You should check it out.

>>713550510
fucking racist bigot

by not formulating opinions you're wasting your ability to do so which some minorities lack, and therefore you're being a terrible person and deserve bad things

>>713574432
We only survived because there were foils to the USSR. There won't be any, this time. No one to challenge the US when it goes full crazy. The only one that can, is just as crazy.

>>713574482
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

>>713574598

The burden of proof is not on me when you're running completely counter to all current scientific knowledge on a subject.

That's not how this works.

>>713574716
We were hardly sane back then either. Nuclear weaponry has guaranteed there will never be a real war again until we go colonize mars or some shit.

>>713574743
You are running counter to all scientific knowledge though dummy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum
It has happened before, it it will happen again. We are speeding it up to extreme degrees, but things will work out. That's not to say cut back when we can, only that this is a natural process.

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>>713547068
21
Network tech/ investor

>>713574781
>we were hardly sane back then either
And we're a few thousand times more insane today.

>>713574949
Not really. Even now the common idea is no one wants to die. Nuclear war wont happen, the closes thing we will get is cyber warfare and trade wars. Thats the era we are in. Im sure we will eventually enter an era in which actual war is brought back, but we are not in it.

>>713574733

>Model simulations of peak carbon addition to the ocean–atmosphere system during the PETM give a probable range of 0.3–1.7 Pg C/yr, which is much slower than the currently observed rate of carbon emissions.

What a surprise, you cannot fucking read either.

>>713575006
27, military civilian employee
independent political pragmatist.

>>713575038
Did you not read my post? You are literally retarded. We are speeding up the process, but it is not unnatural. Jesus Christ, it's like trying to teach quantum physics to a 5 year old or someone who thought the EM drive was impossible.

>>713575038
>The associated period of massive carbon injection into the atmosphere has been estimated to have lasted no longer than 20,000 years. The entire warm period lasted for about 200,000 years. Global temperatures increased by 5–8 °C.[3] The carbon dioxide was likely released in two pulses, the first lasting less than 2,000 years. Such a repeated carbon release is in line with current global warming.[2] A main difference is that during the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum, the planet was essentially ice-free
>Such a repeated carbon release is in line with current global warming
HURR DURR YOU CANT READ HURR

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24, electrical engineer on 100k salary, /fit/ and long term gf

>>713573527
Shit like this makes me genuinely worried we're headed for a repeat of the early 20th century.

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What does this mean

>>713567012
Exactly where I wound up, although it seems like I vary between left and right depending on the specific issue.

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>>713575038
Nothing else huh? Fuck yourself retard.

>>713575272
>>713575127

>A main difference is that during the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum, the planet was essentially ice-free...

You're cherry-picking, as usual for climate denialists.

>>713575640

We are.

>>713575865
What does that matter? The same amount of water was still on the Earth. I really don't understand what you are trying to say here.

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I consider myself a fascist so this is pretty dead on the money.
I'd be higher on the authoritarian scale but there are things I'd rather the current government not do, but I'd be totally cool with in whitetopia.

>>713576493

Presence of ice will completely change the the way the planet reacts "this time". It will not warm evenly, and that's not even addressing the serious knock-on effects that _any_ variation in initial conditions produces in an inherently chaotic system like weather and climate patterns. You cannot make these almost childishly naive linear predictions you seem so hell-bent on when even starting with the same dataset will sometimes produce crazy different results.

- There is much more initial ice this time around. That fucking matters.

- We are accelerating carbon buildup. That fucking matters.

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Yet I am very right winged on economical ordeals.

>>713576493
>The same amount of water was still on the Earth.

A living human and a dead human weigh the same I don't see the problem with everyone being dead.

>>713576912
Some guy on /v/ got triggered into writing three or four posts of spergtext about why global warmingfags are retarded cunts who have literally no idea what they're talking about, and climate scientists who push the meme are dishonest cunts who deliberately distort the graphs of temperature, ice, carbon etc. over time.

The gist of it was that your timescales are all fucked up. The Earth is warming because of a regular, extreme long term, fluctuation in climate, and the polar ice caps will melt even if we all go back to living in huts. The fact that humans have not had to contend with living on a greenhouse Earth doesn't mean that it's our fault that we're entering a greenhouse period.

>We are accelerating carbon buildup.
This is true in the same way that it's true that immigrants strengthen the economy of their host nation. The overall GDP increases because Pablo works for minimum wage, but very little would change were he to be sent back.

>>713576943
uhh waht?
>>713576912
The water was already there, only melted before and I already said the second fact stupid. my only point is that it's a cycle that will eventually happen regardless of human interaction. My point is that we were speeding it up. So stop shifting the goal posts and use your head.

>>713577332
The timescales are unheard of in any climate model, and the temperatures are hotter than they've been in like 3 or 4 billion years. Literally kill yourself.

>>713555632
corporations are people, my friend.

>>713570748
you monster !!!

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>>713547068
>22
>studying industrial sociology
>I consider myself as a National Left Libertarian