>>704906971 It's to punish poor people. They really enjoy hurting poor people. Remember, healthcare companies make money off of both opioides AND the stuff that helps you get off of it. So why let people get a cheap alternative?
The DEA is putting a "quick ban" on it so it will be a schedule 1 for 2 years while they see if it "harmful to the public" like they are claiming it is now.
It's fucking retarded. I already read some articles about big pharmacy trying to jump in and make a synthetic version for pain and/or opiate withdrawl. The US is fucked. Just watch the overdose rates from true opiates rise in the near future.
>>704906462 Heroin, cocaine, cannabis and kratom. Two of these things can fuck you up and kill you, the other two have medical purposes and are generally safe. They're all schedule 1 controlled substances. I do not understand.
Krat fag getting 10 lbs from indonesia in a few days white red and mangda. The aka maybe pushing the ban off buy wholesale now while you can anyway seems like they are targeting sellers more then users but the dea fucks ccan go die anyway. Also itt new kratfags not buying who dony buy wholesale and have it sent as incense.
Yeah, I've used kratom for about a year simply because I found it makes me more interested in things and it boosts my mood. I don't get "high" or anything...that's simply not its effect. I'm happy some people found relief from harder opiates using kratom and it's really unfortunate the DEA is banning it simply because big pharma finally noticed the dent it was putting in their bottom line. The DEA these days is really struggling to maintain relevance and purpose. Keeping cannabis Schedule 1 for example extends their lifespan so to speak. Fucking stupid.
Maybe I should have expounded upon my experiences with kratom. You're right, when I first started I did get a mild euphoria reminiscent of when I've taken prescribed norco or hydrocodone following surgeries. I have no experience with harder opiates so my overall knowledge of their effects from personal use is lacking. Anyway, what I primarily liked was it boosted my interest in the tasks I would do. Like simply browsing /b/ while listening to music was enhanced. I'll miss it once it's banned at the end of the month.
Also, the same company that produces fentanyl recently donated half a million to an anti-legalization (weed) group in Arizona. The don't give a fuck about people dying using their product, but they DO care about a safer, cheaper alternative being introduced that could hurt their profits. It's unbelievable, but happening in broad daylight. So right now that company is smiling big knowing kratom is being outlawed and weed is still seeing opposition.
>>704913345 Do you wonder why opiate usage and overdoses are lowering? It has nothing to do with le weed. It has to do with more and more opiate addicts and chronic pain suffers discovering Kratom. I unfortunately was both at one time but thanks to Kratom I am doing great.
I honestly don't think I will "go down that road again" but to be honest, I am scared for my future without Kratom in my life.
Had some maeng da earlier. I'm going to miss it when it gets banned. It takes the edge off and keeps me from getting shitfaced after a long day and waking up hungover. I like the retarted politicians who make claims that it's "13x stronger than morphine," which is completely false.
>>704903867 Red vein is good for relaxation. Red vein "bali" (actually Borneo) or Borneo is great stuff. Haven't used it in maybe 2 years personally, but I used it regularly. I'd make a simple tea out of it. My issue is that I'm a recovering alcoholic and tend to overdo things, including Kratom. I got physically addicted to it, got prescribed some Valium to get off of it then quit completely and haven't looked back. All together I used it for about a year.. withdrawals aren't that bad compared to benzos/alcohol imo, but use it in moderation and you will do fine.
>>704915509 Red is more mellow ingredients, white is more energetic and green is a sweet spot/mixture of both.
I do a lot of Kratom as it got me off pain killers and eventually heroin but all I feel after a day or two without it is a little tired and maybe a few minor aches. It's really no more than a caffeine withdrawl to be honest.
Doesn't really matter anymore, nothing we can do will stop the ban. Big pharma has interest in it now and we know how much control they have over laws and polotics.
>>704916271 Imo the government should just monetize it.. perscribe it in situations where doctors are using low dose Suboxone. The withdrawal isn't that terrible and the high isn't particularly blissful compared to other opiods. But banning it all together.. come on. What's next? Kava kava? Catnip? Chamomile? Lol.
>>704903867 wanted to try some, but kept reading that its really hard or your kidneys or liver cant remeber, but it was soposed to be worse that alichol. im an alicholic so i didnt do any, iv fucked my organes up enough the past 6 years. kept drinking like a faggot thou, fuck shiut
Idiots using this shit to get high are the same faggots getting "lit" off CBD
It's a painkiller and mild stimulant. It's effect is making pain less noticeable so you can work you fucking idiots. There is no high. I've been taking this shit for years because opioids were destroying me after getting my knee blown apart in a wreck.
>>704917554 actually havnt had any, read awhile back that alicholics get stones less. piss constantly when i drink, like 7 times a night. stuff dosnt say in thir long enough to solityf. But the unholy shits i have, no solit shit
>>704916953 I take 20 plus grams a day and am currently on day 3 without any kratom, like I've done many times before. This is honestly a walk in the park..sure, maybe it's easy because I've been through real withdrawl off real opiates plenty of times, but most people don't have enough that withdrawl from Kratom
If anyone is struggling with withdrawal, immodium (synthetic opiod) is very helpful. Just don't be an hero and try to get high off of it. Some honorable mentions to use in conjunction: alcohol, benzos, kava kava, gabapentin, lyrica and phenibut.
>>704918906 never herd of immodium where would one get that? and yeah banzos and help a ton with withdraws just dont get hooked on those instead...but alcohol will might the withdraws worse the next day. I heard this one guy and withdrawd for 4 days and that night he drank. the next couple days he had withdraws again so i wouldnt really recommend drinking while getting off the stuff.
>>704918906 first time i remember hearing about imodium for that, ill give it a shit when i finnaly get my self to try and quit again. was really hard but made it 168 before the lonleyness brought me back to it.
>>704916159 plus lots of people where i live dont want to get a medical card for fear of having the feds come and raid your house for guns. you can legally smoke weed. you can legally have guns. but not both since weed is still sched I
>>704903867 Taste like horrid shit. I usually mix it with orange juice or something similar. Make sure to stock up because it's due to become schedule 1 soon. Also look into phenibut. Stuff works wonders for anxiety.
>>704919367 for me its, the first 3 night you will not sleep, sweats head ackes, stiffness. but after 3 days you will start to get some sleep at nigh and a clearer head, but have night terrors for a week or 2 from the start. after a week normal shits, better thinking then after 2 its great, then 3 weeks the want comes back. but after 30 days it becomes a mental game, not a physical/mental one. after a few months your body gets to be its new "normal"
so yeah make it atleast a week, then everyday fight the urge. if you got to this point, chance of you being "responsible" after is probably like 10%.
>drunk when righting this shit, once you stop dont start ever for anyreason or occoasion.
>>704919367 Immodium/Lower amide does not cross the BBB. I have seen some reports about different things you can take to make it pass but it's not very promising. It does actually help with withdrawl since it still absorbs via the opiate receptors in the GI tract, but good luck getting it to pass the BBB.
Also in America it's OTC, you can literally get it anywhere.
>>704920393 buy it online in 200ct bottles for like $20 bucks.
if you take a shitton, like 80mg, you can feel a slight buzz, but not much
there was something about coating loperamide with the shit DXM is coated with, polistirex or something with a 'P' that will let it cross the BBB, but its not something anyone can do at home without a lab
>>704920206 yeah i never been off kratom for more then a couple weeks so im sure the next few months is gonna be hard unless i can get medicare to get on something for my anxiety but feeling theres not much promise in that..
>>704918546 Jesus, no wonder you felt like shit. With being a noob your body isn't prepared to have anything even tickle the opiate receptors and not feel like shit after abstinence.
How the fuck did you go from no tolerance of any opiate to that many grams a day? I have extensive experience with opiates and Kratom for well.over a decade and that much just gets me too wired and feeling like shit. I'm sure you're taking that over the course of the day but Jesus christ, that's still a lot.
It works as a pain relief, I take some before bed and I feel quite rested. I have bought the Red Bali and Red Maeng Dai or whatever. I like the Bali a pill or two before bed willndo wonders before bed, I sleep like a baby every night and wake upnfully rested. I tried taking 4 ozs at once and the more and more does not increase the intensity but can make you feel less stressed. It does not have a weed effect unfortunately but it works great as a good bedtime supplement. I must say if you stop it gives me signs of a sore throat and a bit of mucus.
Fuck the FDA! This shit is great, havent slept well in years until I started taking this stuff
the DEA needs to be dissolved. send some of the employees to the FDA to deal with pharmaceutical diversion. the drug war is failed an lost. DEA serves ZERO purpose now...theyre not doing anything that slows down the cartels, so they go after low hanging fruit like kratom.
>>704920585 I took it to help with heroin withdrawl right before I discovered Kratom and I did take a substantial amount. It gave me what you can call a buzz but not really. It just made my body not feel like shit, nothing I would say was fun or worth while besides letting me not feel like physical dog shit.
>>704903867 I buy and fill capsules from amazon and use 7.2 grams red bali from kratomparadise or og bali from krakenkratom, it's being made schedule one buy the dea on sept 30 unless congress steps in so it's getting harder to find. feelsgoodman
I've been a daily user for nearly 2 years now. It's fantastic for everything you want it to work for and more. One of the best substances around, I fucking love it. I hate that it's being taken away from me now. I hope we can reunite someday. If you try it now you might like it too much and then be sad when you can't get it anymore, just letting you know. How much is /b/ stocking up with?
>>704921112 Ahh, I got you /b/ro. I was about to say, though. I take 20 grams at least for 1 dose and then I redose 1 to 2 times a day, so I guess I take 30.plus grams a day. Again withdrawl are nothing for me like opiates. Just some tiredness here and there and maybe I have an ache once in a while on day 2. God damn DEA, I hate this fucking country.
>>704921328 much better than headshop prices but liherbals had kilos for 75 bucks, on par with the best I've had as well. And I've tried nearly every vendor under the sun, with socal's green maeng da being my favorite, and in my belly right now.
>>704922044 If you want to stretch your supply in light of recent events, I have some advice for you.
I was also taking 20-40 grams a day for a while, each dose being fucking huge. And it was only lasting an hour. Then I tried 4 gram doses for a while, and found that they were actually much stronger than the higher doses I was taking. try it out /b/ro, it doesn't make sense but you'll be surprised.
>>704921198 Fuck all that. I never got on subs or methadone. Only did methadone here and there to get high off of, not to quit and do as a daily thing. Thank God I never did, I could never imagine withdrawl for months at a time, and I went CT so many god damn times from opiates, mostly no>>704922223 t by choice.
>>704922899 I've actually done heroin a few times IV but wasn't that big of a fan. Had a "buddy" at the time do it for me but I was probably too scared and didn't take enough but never really got a rush. Just felt high in a few seconds after shooting. Don't get me wrong it felt great but it was either that or I got too much, had jelly legs and fell to the floor. Honestly smoking it yielded the best results.
>>704915447 It's not a law. There is a watchdog agency that sent a seven page letter to the WH, the DOJ, the dea etc, telling the dea they don't have the authority to unilaterally using a statement with less facts and citations than a fifth graders book report to make a plant illegal for no real reason.
If coffee were introduced to america in 2016 instead of 1620 the dea would make it illegal as a synthetic drug. I can just hear it now, "it's a stimulant that grows where cocaine grows, so it's the same, the kids are drinking it and staying up all night cramming, IT'S ADDICTIVE" It's not kratom it's the asshole who have authority to abuse, that's the problem
>>704923295 depends on the type too i never really enjoyed powder heroin, but tar? loved that shit, even though its worse for your veins supposedly. its been 5 years and all my veins are back to normal
tar has some unreacted/reacted different morphine/morphone or whatever that gives the pins and needles.
man i loved that feeling as it washed over my body
Bought this shit a few days ago. Going to go buy some more before it gets banned. I've heard it's not the best brand. Anyone know a good brand and strain I can buy? I'm looking for the closest to opiate I can get.
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