>>704741901 Fun on the range, outside chance of home defense, hilarious reactions when you print, something to tinker with, the ability to kill a cop at 100 yards on the off chance that serious riots ever happen.
>>704742650 Give me one reason why anyone would have any business being in a locked dwelling if they weren't intent on doing something criminal. I don't believe I have any moral responsibility to make sure their intentions are violent. Their disrespect for my property and my privacy are enough. I wouldn't shoot someone who immediately and unambiguously surrendered, but the onus is on them to do that.
Its not senseless, you and I just appear to have different moral compasses. No need to be a little cunt about it.
>>704744003 >2. Saving for a sniper rifle. Do you have access to a great deal of land or a firing range with long range capacity? Do you realize that actual precision shooting is going to run you more for glass than for the rifle?
>>704743210 That sounds like you have not a moral compass at all. You practically give every responsibility and reasonable thinking out of your hands just to have the opportunity to kill another human being. I bet you are just waiting to kill someone that way. People allready died without having hostile intentions because of a mentality like yours. I think that plain and simple uncivilised.
>>704744321 I'm kind of required to own one and train regularly, so I need to take care of this sooner or later. And yes, I know that it's not going to be cheap and glass is especially expensive. That's why I'm still saving. There aren't too many long ranges around here but I'll manage. I'll get something more fun later (not that precision shooting isn't fun).
>>704744985 It clearly shows a lack of values. This stoneman-like territorial mentality mixed with that misguided gun cult gives your country this maniac status which it has in the world. There is nothing wrong with recreational shooting or gun sports and such. But this card blange to be a murder with no regards is simply a sign that parts of your country haven't arrived in the 21th century yet.
>>704741520 Because I'm going to buy a lower soon and get money for an upper later. I don't know whether I should get it now because elections will fuck up stocks or wait for black friday to try and good good deals.
I have my 10/22 but I would like to get something better, I was thinking of a Mauser bolt action or kar 98 but idk what would be the best, doesn't have to be bolt action just looking for a bigger caliber
>>704746031 The phrase you're looking for is carte blanche.
I don't have carte blanche. I have the right to protect myself and other from a reasonable expectation of death or great bodily harm and the right to stop a forcible felony. Burglary of an occupied dwelling is a forcible felony. We're not talking about caveman territoriality, we're talking about how to manage the unlikely situation of someone using force to gain access to an occupied dwelling. Should a person simply retreat in their home, at not insignificant risk to themselves and substantial risk to the property, in order to protect the life of a person who has shown a blatant disregard for the safety of others and one of the most basic societal expectations? Should I put myself or my family at risk by waiting until a weapon or a clear threat of physical violence is presented?
No, we need rules to dictate our responses to these kinds of situations. Those rules are informed by our values. You value human life quite highly, I value safety of individuals who did not initiate aggression more highly than I value life. You don't like the rules, but that doesn't mean that there are none.
These rules, regardless of how you feel about them, are ultimately what equalizes us as citizens and what elevates us. Without these rules, I would be fine. I'm barely 30, I'm 6'1", 250 pounds, my body fat is barely over 10%, I lift heavy, my cardio is Muay Thai. Guns mean that all of that is vanity and health, that I'm not able to inflict my will if I'm a bad actor. My 100 pound wife is literally as capable of protecting herself and her rights as I am. Perhaps you do not agree that the cost is worth it, thats your right. You should probably work on a better argument than "you're a cave man its 2016," though, because its not terribly persuasive.
>>704747420 I'm just jewing out at the possibility of buying shit now and then finding out I fell for the election meme and that I could've have waited and saved a substantial amount of money for more shit.
>>704748238 Looking for a 30-06 or some such, I would like a gun like a kar 98 or previously mention Mauser ,forgive me but I forgot the exact name. I'd rather an older rifle and was thinking of an old m1 with a wooden stock but I found one online with a metal that's for about $1200, any thought anon?
There is this paranoia again. "Protecting my family" as if raiding parties are terrorsing your country 24/7. You see that is the problem. This fear and concerning that things like that will happen is the major driving force behind this paranoid gun hording. Add those law that say that you can shoot someone who just steps over the edge of you lawn and you have trigger happy people. Human live is more valueble than a fals sense of safety, since the thread isn't there (or at least not in that form that your news and tv shows are suggesting)
What would you say, if I would tell you that there are countries out there, where such "defensive measurements" are not requierd to have a peace of mind?
>>704749608 Not who you replied to but you need to lose the false sense that human life is inherently precious. It really isn't. Especially when the person responsible for that life just made it clear to me that my human life isn't very precious to him. And it's 2016(CURRENT YEAR). I have the right to use the most technologically advanced methods to protect my right to life. Guess what that is. I'll give you a hint. It's not a soy chai tea latte with light cream.
It's so fucking illegal here the cops would throw my ass in jail for a year and add another 3 months for any ammunition. This situation makes a gun worth its weight in a gold, were talking 3000 euros for a 9mm.
>>704749608 >There is this paranoia again. "Protecting my family" as if raiding parties are terrorsing your country 24/7. >You see that is the problem. This fear and concerning that things like that will happen is the major driving force behind this paranoid gun hording.
Nothing wrong with being prepared and having a plan. Shit I have supplies to last me 3 weeks and enough food to not step foot outside my door. Do other people have this? No but I decided my life is worth ensuring I have these things because I know any government response as good intended as it is, will be slow and people will probably die waiting.
Protecting one's loved one is what makes this world turn. Tell that to those cops who got killed by Islamic terrorists, tell that to the fags gunned down in that night club, tell that to every person whose only fault was to disagree with some religion. Tell them, I'm sure they wished they were armed to at least try to defend themselves.
>Add those law that say that you can shoot someone who just steps over the edge of you lawn and you have trigger happy people.
Sounds like you're not familiar with this law, that other faggot was just trying to bait someone and you gobbled it all up. The castle doctrine law basically allows you to defend yourself with deadly force from any intruder without duty to retreat or flee your property.
>Human live is more valueble than a fals sense of safety, since the thread isn't there (or at least not in that form that your news and tv shows are suggesting)
Ever lived in the ghetto of an inner city? I did, for 7 yrs and cops don't even go in there to see what's happening. I've seen multiple chimp outs and personally seen cops turn around and leave, leaving people on their own while the perps break, steal and assault people.
I agree with you that human life is valuable, but some humans are scum, criminals, rapists, murderes and thiefs, these aren't valuable.
>>704752254 Only faggots in faggot states let it be infringed. And anyone that wants full 2A freedom can move to a better state. None of the shit you mentioned is banned in my state and no it's not Texas and there are more states that allow those things than not. And as for your second statement, the Supreme Court has ruled that all fighting age male US citizens are the militia and the second half of the 2A(which is a separate section of the same amendment), where it says "the people", means every US citizen individually. So go fuck yourself.
>>704752254 >Most gun owners willingly accept infringements of the 2nd amendment (barring felons, banning assault rifles/high cap mags etc.).
I wasn't of age when most "high capacity"or "assault rifles" bans were enacted. That was a different generation but I'll make damn sure it doesn't happen on my time.
Well shit man, someone who just got out of prison for murdering in cold blood should have a gun? Violent felons should not own guns. I agree that some non violent crimes which result in felonies are bullshit and bar you from ever owning a gun is not cool, but his is something we need to change in our time.
>WELL REGULATED MILITIA
10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
>and no, the citizenry does not = a well-regulated militia. in fact only a tiny tiny minority of Americans own more than half of the nation's guns.
That's the government definition of a militia, you fucking inbred faggot.
>Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act.
>>704753033 The whole "you're just a paranoid cook" argument shouldn't be a deterrent for someone who just cares about having to defend themselves when they need to, there's nothing wrong with being prepared for something. Do you think people who stock food and water for when a natural disaster happens? No you have just in case.
>>704754911 It's not the same as the TRP Operator guns, it's a Range Officer Operator. Hence the patkerized finish, wooden grips, and lack of frame checkering >My guns are locked in a cabinet and I'm busy shitting, so I guess you'll just have to take my word for it
purists read "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", and leave it at that.
but you read it.... and because you're a libtard faggot, you think there's room to add caveats. like barring felons. or requiring gun owners to be a certain age. or banning certain firearms. or banning magazines...
how does this not summarize the founders' explicit command: "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."
but fuck the 2nd amendment right. chop it up. dice it. when they repeal it, it won't even matter - people like you will have acquiesced on so many INFRINGEMENTS, that guns will already frankly be banned for all intents and purposes.
By the way: This is a federal issue. NOT a states' rights issue.
>>704756652 Well regulated literally means ready. And we(every fighting age make US citizen) are part of the unorganized militia as per section 2 of the militia acts of 1792. You can have your shitty opinion all you want but it doesn't change what the law says. And yes. Turning 18 makes you part of the militia. Unless you're a faggot ass hoplophobic liberal then no one would want you helping secure freedom for the rest of us.
>>704747046 >implying that the use of the word when referring to a group of people means the same as its literal sense.
You progressives try to move forward, but without care of what opposing views offer up as arguments to what you think. You simply scream that they are not intelligent and stuck in, as you put it, "cave man mentality" and don't consider the argument at all. Also, nice b8 m8.
I'm an anarcho-collectivist, living on a commune. We organise into a self defence/community police force, even go out training with local militias on occasion, and I either have to hunt or slaughter livestock for meat.
Frankly it's centrists and authoritarians who tend to dislike firearms, and I'd personally not like to be lumped in with soft-bodied Tumbliberals.
>>704757748 Not him but all that stuff is legal in my state other than felons. And fuck those guys. They made the decision to lose their rights. They can fuck right off a cliff. OR they can go get their rights reinstated like a smart person. I have a friend with a felony drug conviction and he did that. Now he owns a buncha guns.
>>704744985 Muh property and muh rights are good arguments, but sound stupid when you're talking about killing someone. How come no one ever says they would have no way to know if the intruder is armed, and they only way to guarantee their personal safety is they shoot the intruder. Muh life is a much more compelling argument. I'm not against or disagreeing with you, I just know these lefty faggots will never u derstand that type of answer, so why not give a more universally accepted argument that you have more right to your life that someone who would take it has to their own.
>>704755740 Wish I could find a Gen 2 for sale near me. Bought a 17 Gen 4 last year and love it. Most recently a Beretta 92FS. Both pistols feel like they were tailor made for my specific hand shape and I fucking love them.
>>704761045 Oh you're that guy. Felons have to be able to have their rights reinstated. Such as non violent drug offenders. Murderers and other violent offenders don't get their shit back. And they don't deserve it. As far as well regulated militia goes? The SCOTUS set the standard on what hey meant by that by upholding the militia acts and defining the people as every individual American citizen that can legally own firearms(or not in some other landmark cases not related to guns). Don't like how that works? DONT BREAK THE FUCKING LAW ASSHOLE.
>>704762922 Don't let the price fool you. One of the most reliable guns out there. It's just extremely ugly and heavy. But it's one of the most accurate guns I've ever fired and the one I used to have never jammed with the several hundred rounds I put through it. Mine wasn't as flashy. It was just black. Great starter gun or something to get you through the tough financial times without going unarmed.
>>704763735 Very true. But I'd def take one over a Taurus auto. Some young guy had a "scorpion" or some shit. Cheap as hell. Glock clone. Hipoints are better than those too. Like I said. Don't let the price fool you. And that massive fucking slide prepares you for recoil in better pistols like nothing else. Target reaquisition muh nig
>>704746031 like a condom its better to have one and not need it than to need it and not have one. fucking cucks man i swear. Just because you dont care for them doesn't give you a goddamn right to infringe on my ability to own and use them.
In order to own a gun in Canukistan, I first must purchase my non-restricted licence after taking a course. I then must buy an approved safe. I then can buy a shotgun or certain rifles. If I want to buy a handgun or other rifles I need my restricted licence, which costs more money and I would be subject to government inspections if they see fit.
>>704764746 >>704764888 Don't give a rats fuck about suicide. If they wanna off themselves a guns the quickest way. If it's not available there are plenty of less messy ways to do it. Either way it cleanses the gene pool.
>>704741520 I do a 12 gauge pump and a 10-22 with bump fire stock and 100 drum. The most accurate guns you can own. That's all I need. All you cucks talk about stopping power. You are are wrong. >be me at bbq >fucking around shooting guns >drinking and being fools >don't know what happened >caught a .22 ricochet in the calf >mother fucker I was stopped >you get hit with a round even .22 >you are stopped and can't shoot shit >true story
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