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if you believe the US government lied about 9/11, what was the

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if you believe the US government lied about 9/11, what was the piece of evidence that convinced you?
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Roses are red
harmbe is in heaven
BUSH DID 9/11
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Osama is still alive
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>>704512005
>piece of evidence
Kek.

You mean, "shit-tier alternative explanation failing any basic science from a charlatan attention-whore."
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>>704512214
WHERE THR HELL DID THE PLANE GO?
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Steel beams.
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>>704513658
in the building dumbass
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the more terrorist attacks i see,
i realize that sand niggers aren't that smart.
no way they could plan the shit the happened on 9/11
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Fucking building 7
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>>704514242
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I was in the South tower on the day. It was not a plane, there was no fucking planes involved it was a demolition.
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>>704514423
what was it?
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Jet fuel burns at 700 degrees f
Steel beams bend at 2000
Also a hotel in spain burned for 23 hours and the steel skeleton of the building was still intact. Wtc burned for just over an hour and a half and it fell. Not a single plane hit building seven and it collapsed in on itself like dynamite had been planted. And people who were in the lobby of the wtc some caught fire.
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>>704512005
the little spark on the nose of one of the planes as it hit, at the time i thought it was maybe static electricity or something. It was a missile launcher.
Also it's a matter of public record that the CIA warned the FBI off the guys training for flight many times. This happens when one group walks into something the other group is doing, but when those saudis then fly planes into buildings it looks pretty iffy.
Then what happens? Go hit Afghanistan to kill osama and years later it turns out he was found living in the Pakistani equivalent of Quantico?
It's kind of a principle that the bigger and more flat out the lie is, the more people will believe it.
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The day before 911, Rumsfield admitted to loosing 2.9 trillion in pentagon funds. The next day, the exact room that held the servers of which held the information about where this money had gone was hit by a "plane" and destroyed.
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>>704512005
jet fuel cant melt steel beams
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>>704512214
>>704513658
>>704513795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk

When moving at the speed that plane was moving, stuff tends to get obliterated. Being a giant tube of aluminum, it makes sense that there isn't much in terms of intact wreckage to see. There are bits and pieces though that got scattered around the building.
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U mad capitalist boi
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Building 7, lack of plane engine wreckage at the Pentagon
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>>704514323
>>704514242

So you actually think they were like

"should we destroy Building 7 while we're at it?"

"Yeah but won't people notice it spontaneously fall?"

"No, fuck. No one's gonna be video taping this shit. They'll all be running."

"Ok"
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the US government is behind Harambe assassination
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>>704514493

I said it was a demolition.
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>>704514019
When it comes to murder, sand niggas are better than salvador mexicans
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>>704514423
Show visitors pass or workers ID or your full of shit.
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The report of 4 people arrested on the brooklyn bridge with explosives in their van. and the committee that voted on what it would take to get the american people to go back to war in Iraq. I'm not saying the government is a unified whole but people in it use their influence for personal gain.
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>>704514743
Yeah.
Had to destroy shit in the building, blamed fires on the collapse. The Towers fell in the same manner, and everyone believes it was fucking fires.
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>>704514566
Underrated post.
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>>704515006

Yeah I don't work there anymore for (what I thought would be) obvious reasons. I'm with an accounting firm out of Queens now.
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>>704514743
Or they were gonna be like
"hey bill should we make this building fall"
"no jim people will be recording "
"isnt that why we should collapse it"
"they wont think we would do something this stupid jim"
"ok"
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>>704514818
but there were videos of the planes. are you saying the government released literally every piece of footage that exists of the incident?
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>>704512005
The fact that there should have been half a fucking plane hanging out of the Pentagon, and it was nowhere to be seen. And the fact that the only documents investigating a few trillion missing dollars was in the exact area of the Pentagon to be hit. Seems pretty obvious to me.
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>>704514566

It would have been more unusual for no political news to happen on any given day than for the American government to commit 9/11.
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>>704514566

this
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>>704515194
Yea, if you had worked there, and had been there on that day, you definitely would have kept your workers ID. So stop bullshitting.
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>>704512005

>what convinced you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY
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>>704514512
Jet fuel doesn't just light you dumb fuck, it requires tons of heat and pressure which means the vapors will have exploded.

Combine that with burning aluminium and iron oxide (ie, thermite) and you get a fire a lot fucking hotter than 700 degrees, dickhead.
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>>704512005
people made money off of it.
even if it wasn't literally planned out something similar was bound to happen eventually.

the truth is greed and corruption toppled those buildings over in one way or another.
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>>704515280

Believe what you want to believe but I was in the South building that day and there absolutely weren't planes. No one will ever believe us. There were an obvious series of explosions like perfectly intermittent. I'll never forget it.
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>>704515466
BOI
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>>704514743
I like to think that was exactly how the conversation went
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I don't understand retards who think the government did it.

They clearly knew in advance and decided to allow it to happen, but anybody who goes 'hurr planted bombs' or other bullshit is a retard who thinks fires stay cold when in the presence of high wind speeds and combustibles.
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>>704515408

It was not a priority. People were dying 3 floors above me I didn't even have shoes on the way down cut my feet to shit.
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>>704514566

That's untrue....but you knew that already.
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>>704514556
>the little spark on the nose of one of the planes as it hit, at the time i thought it was maybe static electricity or something. It was a missile launcher.

yes.. because if a plane filled with fuel slamming into a building at 400mph won't cause enough destruction, putting a missile launcher on the nose and shooting it right at impact will.

please kill yourself.
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>>704515486

In capitalism someone makes money off everything. Literally everything. That's not evidence of conspiracy.
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>>704515675
How come when i was watching it on the news IT WAS A FUCKING PLANE did you see that cunts face
>hologram technology
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that's the sign to Al qaeda to end the world and it was gonna happen in Athens 2004.
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>>704514423

Then what were the videos of planes that were clearly planes hitting the towers?
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>>704516045

You actually believe the news?
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>>704512005
>if you believe the US government lied about 9/11, what was the piece of evidence that convinced you?


When I started to count the number of Jews involved.
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>>704516166
hurr durr
Tendies
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>>704515836
>They clearly knew in advance and decided to allow it to happen
This is the whole truth about 9/11, right here. Government is still responsible for allowing 9/11 to happen but there isn't some hidden secret government bullshit that "actually" did 9/11.

For fuck's sake. It's the simplest, easiest, and most logical explanation and you fucking idiots decide to concoct a bunch of bullshit instead.
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>>704515925
and then a magical eagle came swooping through the window and luckily you knew its owner so it allowed you to climb on its back where it carried you all the way to vegas, it was there you won a billion dollars in a slot machine you played on a whim, but the greedy casino owner decided not to pray and have you executed in the basement, right before they killed you you managed to find the legendary sword in the stone and defeated them riding away on a pure golden horse with the casino owners daughter

in other words proof or stfu
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>>704512005
this proved everything, i promise
http://streamboobs.com/catalinas-ass-stroker-cat-in-a-can-p2181.html
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>>704512005
I believe they knew about and lied about Saudi Arabia's involvement. They knew damn good and well we should have been bombing the fuck out of them instead of Iraq.
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>>704516166

Are you fucking retarded?!

There's videos of both planes hitting the towers. Actual fucking planes, not missiles.

Oh and wouldn't American Airlines and United be a few planes short in their inventory?

I guess they're in on it too, right?
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>>704512005
Nobody used their parachutes to glide down safely. Wtf.
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600ish of 700ish employees of Cantor-Fitzgerald died, all of them cut off above the point of impact. Doubtful that was an accident, and there's no reason the U.S. Gov (at that time) would want to do that.
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>>704516383
kek
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>>704514512
just watched septembers clues huh? yea i like that one, also all buildings fell at freefall speed into their own footprint, imposiblemwithout pre-planted explosives... food formthought
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>>704515925
It wasn't a priority to have the thing on you when you entered the building? Therefor you would have it on as you were exiting the building.
Fucking idiot can't even troll conspiracies properly.
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>>704516480

Apparently that's part of the conspiracy too.
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>>704516284
thank you
this
its wasnt some grandious conspiracy where the government planned the hijacking and the deaths down to plantng videos and setting explosives.
they just stepped back and let it happen so they could seize more power
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>>704514566
loved that coincidence
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All you double niggers going on about planes explain how WTC 7 fell without even being hit by a plain.

Protip: You can't
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>>704516319

Magical eagles? What the fuck crack are y ou smoking? There's no possible way I can prove my identity without giving away my employer, and they would probably fire me if I did that. Anyways I am part of the Truth for 9/11 committee in New York, there's dozens of us that have testified under oath that we heard bombs detonating and that there was no planes that hit the building.
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>>704516552
yeah man it was rainy out and i binged watched all that shit, why would someone want to jump out tho? better than suffocation?
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the fact that the passports of some of the hijackers were found intact in the ruble of the WTC the DAY OF 9/11.

Seriously? I'm supposed to believe that the hijackers passports in the
cockpit survived the initial impact, massive explosion, and destruction of the building on to be found the same day intact?

I don't really think it was a pre-planned false flag but there were probably hidden motivations that the public will never know about
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>>704514743
Probably went like this...

Fuck! One of the planes went down in PA?

The fucking explosives at the base are on a timer!

What do we do?

Jetfuel did it.

Yeah lets run with that.
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>>704516326
>cat in a can

Wat?
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>>704514639

but look at the roof tiles and things inside the building like wooden cabinetry, its completely unburned
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>>704516740
no part of grasslands were involved
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>>704516725

That dude just made it up.

Like the blond laying "dead" in the bed that everyone says "too soon" to and shit.

That never happened just like the blonde wasn't dead.
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>>704512005
/thread
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>>704516011
i guess i implied it was conspiracy what with the topic of the thread and all.

i didnt mean to. i was just saying it was caused by domestic money / people and its not just a tragedy that happened.
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Here's what I don't get. All these conspiracy theorists claim these elaborate steps occurred like missiles and fake planes and thermite and controlled det and all this shit.

Now.. imagine you are a government agent, assigned with the task of creating a false flag attack that, in specific, destroys the WTC with planes. Minimal cost, minimal time, and most importantly, minimal people involved.

Super fucking easy. Use access to TSA to sneak people into the airline hangers, install an override system into the cockpit that cuts the communications and converts the planes to ground control.. then fly guide them into the towers.

Of course, no conspiracy theorist would support this because there is no detail to misinterpret into 'evidence,' and thus no reason to believe it.
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EVERYBODY WATCH JUDY WOOD'S THEORY ON 9/11
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>>704516765
im sure you are,
ill just take you one your word
oh by the word i have no way to prove this but im actually the secret king of england.
i cant reveal my name but ive said it so it must be true
please stop being retarded anon, were trying to debate crackpot conspiracies over here
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>>704515117
idunno bout that.me tinks everyone with a brain and can think knows it was an inside job but doesnt want to rock the boat by speaking out about it at risk of being labelled a nut\coowk\tinfoilhat.
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>>704517152

You're insane.
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>>704516853
why would it have burned? iirc the plane hit the bottom of the building (after scraping shit on the ground) which would have caused all that shit to collapse, not burn out. The charred brick on the outside is probably from the initial explosion, but no significant burning would have occurred on the inside, would it?
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>>704515341
theynother fact that the lightpoles are standing and its physically impossible for a air bus to fly that fast 10 feet off the ground
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>>704517331
maybe
but at least im not claiming things on an anonymous image board with no backup or way to prove it either ( at least in any way but ironically to call your bullshit)
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When flight 93 went down instead of hitting building 7 but the thermite went off anyway.
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>>704512005
i think the government lied about the extent of the intelligence failure
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>>704517095
>TSA
>9-11-01
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>>704515486
the towers owner mad alot on the insurance money. military indsutrial complex was allowed to evolve from the war effort, and now the police have the best armor us soldiersmdied testing out innthe sandbox
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>>704516816
Except the plane that went down in PA wasn't headed toward NYC. It was headed towards Washington DC, probably for either Congress or the White House (to complete the trifecta of targeting the centers of the US economy, military and government).
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>>704517796
>and now the police have the best armor us soldiersmdied testing out innthe sandbox
what?
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USA's general history ?

The USA is probably the country with the weirdest events hapening into it. From the several mystery assassinations happening since its beginnings (Lincoln, JFK, Luther King for the most famous), to the mysterious Area 51, the way people gets sedated with obesity or sports (where else can you find such events as the super bowl wich is shown on air on other country's tv channel that doesn't even talk about american football the rest of the year).
All the patriotism shit that the governement reminds you off everytime, the "respect your soldiers" shit because they do it for your freedom... in a foreign country you probably never heard of before and that you also probably can't locate on the map. The fact that in 400 years of existence, USA has always been involved in wars and has the highest military budget (seriously for what is that for when you see for how long you guys are fighting against shepherd in Afganistan ? And no, i'm not saying you guys are bad or anything, i'm just saying it's weird).

I've always thought that in all the conspiracy theorys concerning the USA there was lot of bullshit but in the end, there has to be some kind of truth hidden in it.

Also, you guys claim you're the greatest country in the world, i'm fine with that, i don't mind. But your next president... who will you vote for ? An ill woman or the new Hitler... Like guys, seriously, couldn't you find anyone better to run your country ?
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>>704515949
Ok. There's news reports of him admitting it. But ok. Keep wearing your anti tin foil hat tin foil hat.
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There was fox news footage of the Pentagon on 9-11, I remember it. Try to find anything now more than a few frames, impossible.
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>>704515675
well yeah who would take you seriously though, i mean you were tnere you were traumatized by tne sheer magnitude of horror and terror you experienced, who wouldnt lose their minds
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>>704517095
Umm TSA did not exist till it was created in response to 9/11
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>>704517010
Are you payed to say this? Because we've all seen the news report and Rumsfield speech.
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Building 5
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>>704515413
damn
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>>704515836
stop lying, you really believe it was an inside job. you just dont want to be labeled a conspiricy faggot
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>>704517476
Also video of the Pentagon. No plane seen.

Honestly it would have been easier to jam the comms on the planes, and take over the auto-pilot remotely. I think I saw something about the guy creating a system to do that being involved.
A lot simpler than relying on mudslimes or Mossad doing it.
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>>704518276
same is same
not one piece left?
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>>704517846
That going down of the plane was staged too.
I mean come on don't you think they would think of this. People questioning if real planes were involved how come people didn't even try to fight off the terrorists. The fact that one plane went down weakens a few theories. And that is exactly what they wanted. It would have been too obvious if all planes hit where they were supposed to. I would question cause I know I would try to put up a fight.
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>>704516319
HA!
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>>704516319
To be honest anon, you sound like a basement dweller who needs to see things to believe them and doesn't believe anything because he never leaves his hole in the ground.

Sorry mate, it's just what you remind me of, like perfectly.
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>>704517369

if the case were that the plane skimmed the ground first before sliding into the building, wouldn't some of the pieces from the initial impact on the ground still be around, having being broken off from the initial collision? Most plane crash videos I've seen start with the wings breaking off, even if they don't make contact with the ground
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>>704514019

This. Terrorists make pipe bombs, commit mass shootings and kill dozens, maybe a couple hundred. There has never been another attack of that scale or level of coordination before 9/11 or since.
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>>704517942
Looks like you need to do your research on Hitler. He was a good man.
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If it was a false flag, why of all possible options, was this chosen?
They literally could have chosen anywhere in America, or even a military base where they had more control. Why specifically the World Trade Centers by plane?
To remove papers? Is this really the best way to do that?
To go to war in Iraq? Then why did we bother with the whole Bin Laden, Afghanistan thing?
For oil? Then why didn't we simply open our reserves to drilling, and push harder on fracking? Would that not have yielded in more oil for less cost, both politically and financially?
Do any of you realize how much 9/11 cost? Hundreds of billions of dollars. Instantaneously. That day represented a direct attack on the Western economy. For fuck's sake, why would evil, greedy, western autocrats want to harm and destroy their most valuable assets in order to squabble over loose change?
For all who think oil rules the world, then why doesn't OPEC set the pace?
If anyone could be said to run the world, it would be the people who died in those towers.
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hijacked planes with box cutters really?
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>>704518513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8
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>>704517010
>>704514566
Heres a source that isn't from some conspiracy site.

>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-war-on-waste/
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>>704512005
>the fact it happened

>#informationage
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>>704514423
Calling bullshit
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>>704517690
with how much moneythey get! yeah fucking right. no way they would ever admit to that, best blame it on someone else (ubl) i mean fuck thats whatd id do
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>>704512005
The "nose out" incident.
That is all.
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For me it's what happened immediately afterwards. "right we have to go invade Iraq" Lol wtf why? It was used as a pretext. Same reason JFK was assassinated military industrial complex. Powers that be want there to be wars so they can make a profit. Lots of examples of bullshit being used as a pretext for war: Bay of Tonkin, sinking of the Lusitania
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>>704518754
>who was to benefit for $600 alex
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>>704512005
That the black box didn't survive but passports of Muslims did..
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>>704514743
The area was clear of civilians they could have done whatever they wanted
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US government allowed it to happen so they can use it to convince the american people we need to go to war. i don't know how but i think the true masters of the west are in cahoots with saudi arabia. we know full well they fund terror and yet we still do plenty of deals with the saudi king. i think things are orchestrated between the two for mutual gain and the destabilization of the middle east.
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Dude have u guys ever fkn been in a fire?

That shits supor hot ... of course tower 7 can fall couse of the fire.

HOnestly of of you guys don't know shit even if it hit u dad in the head.

TOWER 7 ISNT AN INSIDE JOB!!!!! JORGE BUSH IS INNOCENTE.


>Americans ka kaka ka
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jet fuel can't make sparky sparkles.
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>>704517938
cops having mraps and the best armor after it was developed during 10 years of combat in iraq\afg. from up-armor to mraps. alot of troops died while testing the miltary equiptment that the police now have
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>>704518754
You're not seeing the big picture. Billions of dollars means nothing to the fucking Jews that are behind this. The Rothschild's and company. That's fucking walking around money to them. This was all part of a plan to create a slippery slope so you start giving up more and more of your freedoms in exchange for perceived "safety". You're drinking the coolade and liking it my naive anon
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>>704514323

you do know theres footage of the building burning right?
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>>704517369
Look at how the towers burned from airplanes hitting them
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>>704512213
Give me a fucking break. Bush couldn't organize a cocktail party, let alone plan and execute 9/11. Building 7 doesn't fall down without the *jooish* owner of the world trade center planting explosives, but "Bush", wtf! I've known building owners to authorize inspections of their buildings, but never once a political party or a president.
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>>704515194
Give us some stories
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>>704517014
Jetfuel actually cannot melt steel beams.
Despite this, they found melted steel at ground zero. Now if that doesn't raise some concern, I don't know what does.
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What do you think most of the conspiracies centre around murica?
Because they are the easiest people to be taken for a ride. Easiest to convince lead and manipulate.
Majority of people just follow and don't ask questions. They don't even realize even if the truth is put right in front of their eyes. Their conditioned that way.
The minority are the ones who are the conspiracy theorists. The ones with intellect. The ones misunderstood by a society of sheep.
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>>704514678
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>>704518754

You're talking about the loss of money, but why don't you talk about all the money "they" won with the war in Afghanistan or Syria ? The weapons and the medics "they" sold ? You can laugh at me, but take a look at the mvie War dogs with Jonah hill, and consider it as the tip of the tip of the iceberg.
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>>704519082
It certainly wouldn't be the politicians. There just paid to make sure the law "works"
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>>704518276
true but then you wouldnt have a country(patsy) to take the fall for, providing a pretext for an invasion. (thunk operation northwoods)
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>>704519548
Like the president of the united States is actually in charge or has any real power. Kek
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>>704518469
>how come people didn't even try to fight off the terrorists
Because they didn't know they were terrorists until it was too late. You have to understand that terrorist hijackings of passenger airliners are extremely rare. The majority of hijackings of passenger airliners throughout history have for financial gain, e.g. the passengers are held hostage for ransom and then later released unharmed. The passengers thought they would be safe if they just did what they were told. By the time they realized they were about to crash into the WTC, it was too late to do anything about it. The hijackers also pretended to have a bomb, which if that were really true (it probably wasn't) then attempting to overthrow the hijackers and re-take the plane could easily kill everyone on board.

The rest of your argument is a slippery slope.
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>>704519038
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>>704516630
Occam's razor
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Did they ever fall or is the media lying to you?
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Don't know much about what happened with Building 7, and can't say I care, some retarded sandniggers flew planes into the towers, that's undeniable fact.

The Pentagon wasn't host to any recharge because the plane disintegrated upon impact, it does it by design to make sure minimal damage is done in a crash, if it wasn't built how it was, the Pentagon would've taken a bigger hit.

The smoke coming from the towers is just floors collapsing, not hard to tell.

Of course people benefited from this, including some parts of the government who wish to limit our liberties, but I think we're giving them too much credit if we suppose that retards that think socialized healthcare is a good idea also are smart enough to pull off something this big, I don't buy it.

Whoever has an explanation for Building 7 based on fact, redpill me please.
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this...

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf
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>>704515675
how would you know if you were inside the fucking building
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>>704517846
i bet it was the whitehouse, where bush would conveniently as it turned out been away reading to little children
he would come back to stand on the rubble and blah blah blah
that also explains the hestitation, probably told the last plane didnt hit so he had to restrategize and wait for instructions from his overlords
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>>704518754
see your already fucking it up
maybe the whole idea is to inundate to with
"what-ifs," to keep youmfrom following the real trail (money)
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>>704520002
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>>704517111
Shes a dumb cunt misguiding people
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>>704518479
sorry you got called on your bullshit
better luck next time though, try reddit bet you get upvoted in seconds
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>>704512005
I don't neccessarily believe it, but the general vileness of humanity makes it entirely possible.
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>>704519548
lol bush could fuck up a cup of coffee
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>>704515925
Whatever, Bruce Willis.
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>>704516765
Employer
Would fire me for saying I work for them.

Nigga you dumb. This is capitalist shit, not covert ops. Nobody cares who you work for, simply saying you ain't got shit.
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>>704520132
Hahaha you kids are funny.
Did you even watch the whole video?
She states nothing but clear facts with supporting evidence
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>>704519414
You know there's footage of buildings burning, worse than wtc 7, that didn't collapse?
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>>704517714
Best post of thread right here
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>>704519408
Kek. The jews are the bankers in that building who died. The billions I'm talking about were paper assets, burned to ash. Contracts, filings, trades, bonds, futures. Not just a loose assortment of dollars totalled up to 1B, but the very specific set of papers that determines entire economic cycles. You act like the people inside the building don't matter, but who do you think the real target was? After all they were WORLD TRADE CENTERS. What do you think happened there every day? They definitely weren't eating the same paste as you.
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Who's got the images that have, what looks like, an explosion on the backside of the building right on the corner column that went first?
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>>704517942
>An Ill woman or the next Hitler
Trump is in good shape. Also he's not a woman.
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>>704519640
yeah they stuffed one inna 50 gallon drum and hid it in a broom closet
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>>704518807
yes, you know why? because up until 911 flight crews were trained to keep passengers calm and listen to the demands. planes had been hijacked before usually for ransom.
no one on board was expecting to turn into a giant cruise missile anon
you seem to be forgetting what it was like before the tsa and their bullshit
unless you legit werent old enough to remember which i guess is a valid excuse
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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>>704514512

Steel beams bend at 500 degrees, retard, not 2000. Also thermite (aluminium + iron oxide) can burn at over 2500 degrees, and you get thermite in pretty much every building fire.

Also, every fucking skyscrapper is designed to collapse under its own weight, ask any fucking architect or civil engineer and you'll see, its basic physics. Quit the fucking meme of "LOL THE BUILDING DIDNT WENT DOWN LIKE A DOMINO SO IT MEANS IT WAS BROUGHT DOWN BY EXPLOSIVES"
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>>704519038
Explain.
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>>704516802
this one always get me
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I know they let it happen. The question is if it was due to malice or incompetence. Or perhaps it was like with Coventry. It was let happen because having stopped it would have prevented us from stopping something bigger.
Anyway we had files on the hijacker's, who were reported by the flight schools for not wanting to learn how to land. Intelligence had already traced their bank accounts balances back to Saudi Arabia and from there it wasn't a big leap to conclude they were being funded by Bin Laden. I just can't think of a good enough reason for us to not have acted on the Intel. After columbine they raided my house because of a rumor. The bar for raids is obviously very low. Probable cause rarely even plays in if they think it will prevent a massacre and in the case of the 911 hijacker's they actually had probable cause. So why didn't they follow through with further investigation and detention? If we held a couple of them for 48 hours the rest would have scattered and it would have at least set the plan back
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when the builders admitted on tape that the buildings were designed to be hit by large aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fQlC2AIWrY
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>>704520695
What was the rumour
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>>704519325

>JORGE BUSH
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>>704512005
>what was the piece of evidence that convinced you?

I live in the United States and seen the US government's definition of """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Work""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>>704520695
>he thinks Saudi Arabia was involved
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I can't believe everyone who cares about this, I always lose my breath. Even if it was all gov/illuminati/freemasons/kermit, it's not like any of you are going to do anything about it. You like feeling like you know the 'truth', but you're no more impressive than a diehard patriot. If the government admitted it, you'd be the type of people to try to brag 'I always knew it!' for the rest of your pointless, petty life.
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Blows my mind that you fags stopped believing in God just to waste your mind on bullshit like this.
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>>704520576
care to explain how or where both trade towers were designed to collapse under its own weight?
-you cant
-because they werent designed that way
while your at it explain to me the same for building 7 fuckface
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>>704514512
I believe this senseless guy that every zionist is gonna bash.
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>>704520614

>airplane enters building
>nose emerges from the other side of the building. intact.
>screen immediately cuts to black for a second
>resumes after the building has become a cloud of smoke

how does the nose of an airplane go through a steel building and exit the other end still in one piece?
why would the cameras cut to black at that specific moment?

I really don't want to believe any of the bullshit about 9/11, but this is the one thing that makes me sick to my stomach every time I see it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i73XmZUxnVo
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>>704520787
Miss designed. They didn't calibrate for the heat. It's like when they called the Titanic unsinkable and designed to withstand hitting icebergs. Which it literally was. Google it. The Titanic was specifically designed to not be sunk by ice. What happened was the design didn't take into account the side being scrapped the way it was. It happens all the time.
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>>704521084
Yeah no we're not conspiracy theorists for attention you cuck.
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>>704515413

Holy fuck
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>>704520695
the feds let it happen, they knew it would give them praetorian status and power. they all benefitted from it
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>>704512005
The CIA reported that an attack was going to happen, Bush read the reports and ignored them. And the pilot that did it went to flight school in the US and told the instructor what he was going to do. Trump read the reports and predicted it in his book.

I don't think Bush was behind 9/11, but I do think that he knew about it beforehand and instead of stopping it he let it happen to take advantage of the situation to take their oil.
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>>704520787

lol u trollin. every engineer takes into account failure scenarios. you design elevators to not fall if half the supporting wires are cut.
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>>704512005
Sand niggers can't fly planes

Plane was going to fast and too low to hit the pentagon That takes some unlikely skill. My money is on a cruise missile from the Jews, like Pop Eye cruise missile.

Building 7 and the towers fell down like a control demolition.

Building 7 may have been burning, but how often to burning buildings collapse into debris?
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>>704521253
Then what for?

PS I now know your penis size.
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Hello /b/ .... im an civil engineering, and i have build houses, hospitals, buildings, in the last ten years i have been only working on construction of big buildings in dubai, im telling you these cause every stuff a civil engineer construct it isvmade to resist an earthquake, of course it doesnt always resist, but the thing is that after the plane crah into the tower, the way that both of the tower fall doesnt make sense, theres no way those building could just fall down, ive seen the twin towers bluprints and im even surprise they came down just because of an plane, believe me they should have resist that, plus the way it came down is how buildings are/should be demolish.
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>>704521253
Yeah, you just do it so you have something to masturbate to.
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>>704520478
Do you think their were any Rothschild's or Rockefellers in those buildings? You're the perfect candidate, defending the true masters plan. You think any of those people that call the shots on this planet give a flying fuck about 3000+ people that died in those buildings? Necessary sacrifice
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>>704520900
That I wanted to shoot up the school because I had gotten jumped a month before and I wore a trenchcoat. Thing is I wore the coat BEFORE the shooting. It had been a rainy year and it was this really soft microfiber one...
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>>704521194
Shit son, I need to do more research.
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>>704521446
or hell fire predator drones
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>>704514743
lol
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>>704520576
This must be bait, nobody on b is this stupid
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>>704512005
just follow the money.

i'm going to give you one word: asbestos.
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>>704521153

EVERY FUCKING SKYSCRAPPER IS DESIGNED LIKE THAT.

The building collapses on its own fucking weight, it creates a chain reaction where everything is "Pancaked" and gravity just pulls everything down, the only way for it to fall horizontally like a domino would be if the building was made of some indestructible material that didnt crumble while falling down.

YOU CAN ASK THIS INFORMATION TO ANY FUCKING ARCHITECT.

And building 7 fucking BURNED, theres fucking VIDEOS of it burning down
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>>704521194
The bright flash causes the camera to go dark. Auto contrast gets all fucked up. It wasn't fully intact but it's a velocity thing. Like when a pencil goes through a brick during a tornado. I've actually seen this.
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>>704512005
It was when Tricky Dick said "I am not a crook."
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You know that the "owner" of both buildings wasnt inside n all of his family members didnt show up to woork for different reasons, there is no way thats an coincidence
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I want to hear some good reasons why they attacked us. Jealous of our freedoms, upset with our way of life?...I think there was money involved. Nobody kills all those people unless someone is getting paid. Who benefited financially from the Trade Centers going down? There had to be more to it then plan old Muslim hatred. Iraq was an afterthought we did not need 911 for Chevron\BP to take over Iraqi oil. There were a lot of banks in those towers. Let's say we were smart and did not attack Iraq..what other reasons are there to bring down the towers. Who got paid?
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>>704521451

>Im a civil engineer
>its impossible for buildings to come down vertically.

No its not, youre not an engineer, youre a conspiracy theorist, saying youre an engineer doesnt make you one.

What you just said is the equivalent of a guy showing up saying "Im a doctor and I dont know why did that man died when we ripped his heart out". You clearly know nothing about actual construction mechanics
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>>704512005
>if you believe the US government lied about 9/11, what was the piece of evidence that convinced you?
The way they viciously and methodically hunted down all the truthers and their evidence, and had them and their families killed.
All those people, all the people who saw the damning evidence.... even the evidence itself, on the internet, where, once things are there, they supposedly can not be removed?
Gone, for good. Not a trace.

The only people who believe it now just do it for the lulz. But I was there. Watching silently, but leaving no comments, so they didn't know about me, watching as, in the blink of an eye, every denier, and all their proof, were wiped out.

Just try it. Look up the "evidence," and look up any video from before 2014 that talks about how the government lied to us. They're gone. Anything you fine is likely just going to turn into a rickroll video about 27 seconds in.

Just... be careful looking it up. They keep an eye on people who still want "the truth."
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>>704520454
office fire vs fire caused by burning bits of larger building hitting it
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>>704521504
You're too thick. Let's assume Rothschild's and Rockefellers run the world (ignoring obvious things like the death of a Kennedy ((Rockeffeller money)) that allowed for Hillary to run in New York).
How would it happen? Money.
How? Bond trading.
Where was that done? The World Trade Centers.
Were any Illuminati in the building? No. But if they do exist, their people and their money was. It was practically their temple. And what do they get out of all this? Control? Look around. There's no control. The Joker only exists in comic books.
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>>704521973
"No members of the 1% were harmed in making this spectacle."
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>>704512005
I have a theory: 9/11 was a scam so that airports bought more security shit. George bush has stocks in security shit. The government is reptiles, and anyone born before 911 is a reptile as well
RIP
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>>704514019
Arabs invented our system of math and they hacked Israeli surveillance drones which had encryption on par with our own. But they didn't plan on the planes doing as much damage as they did. That was actually a surprise to them as well.
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>>704522046
Thank you for correcting the record, Dr Science.
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>>704522183
so are you saying that your 15?
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are you fucking stupid?
prove to me that you can burn concrete, you can burn steel?
you cant you dingleberry
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>>704521973
Not really. They rarely showed up.
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>>704514323
WTC 7 was massively carved out on the other side when one of the towers fell. Footage is easily viewable. It was burning, and it finally collapsed
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>>704522118
You think their fortunes depend on one geographic location? Wow you are a fucking idiot.
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I watched it live on TV from 30 mins. away from Manhattan.

You HEARD the explosions of a controlled demolition.

The Govt. NEEDED a major disaster so they would have an excuse to invade the Middle East.
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>>704522427
Does make you wonder though. Why is every airport bookstore owned by Hudson News?
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>>704512005
One of Dick Cheney's advisors testified in court that he didn't use the anti missile system they had in place to shoot down the planes, even though they knew where they were headed. The pentagon relayed that intel and Cheney still held his finger off the trigger.

This all ties into the current state of affairs where the clinton foundation has been laundering these criminal's money and selling weapons to foreign criminals, all probably funded by Soros and his gang of data mining companies that he has invested in.
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>>704521973
You know the owner of most buildings don't work in the same building?
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>>704521137
I don't believe in God and I don't give a shit about the towers.
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>>704512005
Cut beams, secondary explosions. Tower 7 demolished for no fucking reason at all. No plane in the Pentagon and what seemed to be lava pouring out of the building
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it wasn't any one piece of information, it was all of it.
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>>704522491
Why would they waste any of it? The world was under more control then, than now.

Also, I have to believe you don't remember anything before digital.
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>>704515413
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>>704522655
would you live in a rental apartment younrented out to poor people? fuck no youd be livin in a nice house in maui somewhere
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>>704522647
Who cares.
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>>704522570

How many fucking controller explosions vs plane disasters have you heard? You seem to be an expert at recognizing each one.

Let me tell you a funny story: I live in a country with a lot of seismic activity, one time, on a 6.5 earthquake, my house made some horrible crumbling noises where I actually thought the building would collapse right on top of me, it didnt, and no structural damage was left.

Now, just imagine, being in a fucking skycrapper thats being hit by airplanes, how the fuck do you think that would sound?
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>>704522926
That was my point
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>>704522922
Not under more control now? Are you serious dumb ass?
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>>704514566
And no one bothered to make back-up copies of the data. Normally there should be three copies in three separate locations.
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>>704522570
My sister was there and it wasn't like the demolition explosions we witnessed our fathers company do. Not at all. She's a journalist for the record, but at the time she was working for a family oriented magazine owned by time, which they closed after 911. Then she wrote about food for woman's world for a while before going freelance and eventually running an online newspaper in New Jersey. So I have a credible journalist who is related to me who knows demolition telling me it wasn't a controlled demolition. Who's word should I take?

Yeah.
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>>704515925
I don't believe you because why the fuck would you be barefooted at work?
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>>704522427
I'm in on it, lad
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We should applaud the rich for being able to pull off cool, backhanded dirty shit. It's a testament of the human spirit!
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>>704523040
In 2011? Nay young one, that's the world we live in now. 9/11 was a pre wifi, pre HD, pre smart phone, hell... mostly peer digital photo world. It was VASTLY different for those of us to be old enough to remember it. It wasn't 9/11 that changed the world either, technology did.
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>>704522973
>plane hits tower
>2nd plane hits 2nd tower
>massive media coverage for 1/2 hr.
>towers fall

fucking dipshit
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>>704523327
2001^
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>>704523327
So you think disaster recovery policies were invented in 2011? Kek
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>>704515413
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Government Agents IN THIS THREAD


ABANDON THREAD!

ABANDON THREAD!

ABANDON THREAD!

CLEAR CACHE! CHANGE IP!
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>>704523031
You're right. What was I thinking? It would totally be easier to run the world with armed conflict everywhere and live citizen controlled communication, instead of a docile society with no problems and nothing to complain about. This was totally the most cost-effective and easiest way to control the population.

I mean really. What would be the point of running the world if you didn't have rampant warfare that you always had to cover up, even though you were the one starting it to cover up for the fact that you were controlling people into fighting stupid wars that you started to stop them from finding out about the last time you started a war just so people would find out about all your other wars you started for the same reason.
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>>704513638
This
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>>704523184
You should take Judy Wood's word
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>>704512005
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>>704523040
Because most people get this story wrong. Rumsfeld was admitting to massive Pentagon corruption and failure, in which money was not tracked. They spent 2 trillion, but didn't have any documents in order as to how any of it was actually spent.
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>>704523644
he's probably fucking right
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>>704523709
Holy fuck you are dense. Rothschilds have been funding countries to supply them with arms for decades. They make money when their is conflict. Fuck I give up you're truly a fucking retard
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Fuck you government of you're in here. You scum
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>>704523709
I have to laugh at the idea that people would magically not complain. Once you create a perfect society, people will find something to bitch about.
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>>704521804
?
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>>704523586
You think governments are actually competent? Kek
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>>704523586
I fixed the year below fag. You're still not old enough to know that the world was not as it is know. In 2001 most of fuck ass America was still on dial-up, which I'm sure you never used.
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>>704520576
Sort of.

Structural steel starts to anneal at around 500C and is fully annealed at 700-900c depending on carbon content.

Jet fuel (like Jet A1) has a max adiabatic burn temp of 2200C and typical open air burning temp of just over1000C.

So yes, jet fuel can easily soften steel beams. --Though it's not technically melting them as in a puddle. The whole "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" is bunk, like most any conspiracy theory once you scratch the surface.
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>>704523985
Toot Toot, here's that dick! Grammy bingo!
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>>704516192
Keked but actually
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>>704524096
Hey fuck ass I was around before the fucking internet rolled around so I know what I'm talking about. You think government agencies just scribbled things down on bar napkins before 2001? Give your head a shake.
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Didn't here it from me,

Building 7 took to much damage when Tower collapse.
Fear of people looting files would have been a nightmare.

Order was given to bring it down.

Bush himself had no knowledge prior to the report in the school. Didn't know how to react in that hour he waited for advisers.
Follow the trail of the of the seventh man ...
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>>704521549
Mikey?
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>>704523985
FFS. Rothschilds and rockefellers run the world. That's your theory. They can make money however they want. Conflict is not as profitable as peacetime.
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Guys, gram cock.
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>>704524415
You must be the same guy who worked in the south tower. Good one.
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>>704524461
LEONARDO, IS THAT YOU?
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>>704524017
Sure. So load them up on opiates, tie them to a chair, and sit them in front of /b
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>>704524490
Really? How much does the us spend on its military? More than any fucking thing else.
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>>704524415
>before the internet

Al Gore is here! He invented the internet!

>know what I'm talking about

Doesn't admit that backups are much better now than in the past.
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>>704524611
WAT
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>>704524622
So change absolutely nothing?
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American Airlines has just been hit by a tower, guys
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>>704524507
Yeah that was me. I was also the one that fucked your dad in the ass while your mom drank my cum that ran out after.
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>>704516192
this
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>>704524461
Evan?
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>>704524816
And you wonder why your credibility is lacking. Another good one anon.

I had my shit backed up on a 2 terabyte drive and the iCloud during 9/11. I don't know why you're so mad.
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>>704524947
Does Tejeda ring a bell?
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Simple. Who profits most from it? You at least have to suspect them, even if you're not "HURR DURR THEY DID IT!"

People who can't even entertain the notion that it might've been an inside job are just retarded. I'm agnostic about it. I don't pretend to have proof that I don't. But the more you look at it the more you can see why it was great for the US
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>>704524424 Nah, It was perfectly fine, not a single thing hit it--see Oh wait..
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>>704524707
You may find this hard to believe but it wasn't that long ago that banks had to record every fucking transaction onto micro fiche by law. Micro fiche being human readable format, no requirement for a puter to retrieve data, just a viewer.
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>>704512005
Blackboxes where never found
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>>704525019
Oh fuck an apple faggot. Now I get it.
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>>704524674
You're right. If we didn't spend it on wars, we totally would never spend it on anything else.

And of course, there needs to be actual conflict to spend on military. Even if you control the news and can control people's movement, and can drug the population. Especially when you have an invisible enemy which no one seems to be able to find or stop.

Yep this was totally the most profitably thing for them to do
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>>704512005
Anti Terrorist Insurance a weeks before.
lucky larry
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>>704522046
Sorry i wasnt clear, english isnt my first language...yeah they should fall vertically, but those tower came down as it all of their main columns and beams fail to support, n you know that the fire couldnt do it in those towers, maybe it could if it was in the center or lower the crash, but no it was more close to the top....buildings like that are designed to support a lot of weight, yeah it could even support that plane full of people, yeah the impact affect in a big way, but at least the time before falling should have been way much longer.
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>>704524738
Clever you. Except you missed the part where we're part of the plan. For all you know, 9/11 never happened. It's all just a fragmented memory of your drug addled brain.
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>>704525207
That's mostly my point. The way the world works with this has changed intensely in the past 6 years. At the time of 9/11... real backups were shit AND usually kept on site as well. It's hard for the younger generation to understand as they've never really known anything else than the way it is now.
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Whatch this series. It explains everything you question, even how building 7 collapsed
https://youtu.be/nN3qUXJp7l0
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>>704525371
There is hope for you anon. You're starting to understand how it works.
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>>704519741
You only blame Bush because the Dumbs are the pot party. Clearly the muslims did 9/11, the Joos uncovered it through their spy networks and decided to make some cash. An Israeli national bought the twin towers and in July, just 2 months before the attack, and over insured it by 50%. American Airlines had a huge jump in push calls just prior. Those implicate the Joos. Republicans and Bush uninvolved, except as patsies.

Did you see "Farenheith 9/11"? Financed thorugh joo owned Disney, then "tried" to get it banned so no one could see it - stupid as it was. They just wanted to lend credibility to the blame-the-republicans movement. You have been duped hard.
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>>704514242
Yeah...this.
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>>704525289
dust in the wind that is what wait I didn`t never knew this homo existed.
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