IF Trump loses, how will you prepare for post-american life?
I've been thinking about it for a while, but the media onslaught is taking its toll on my morale. So now I've decided to actually plan out how i'll prepare for my family's future if the nation allows another president that promises to keep us on the same path we've been on since the sixties.
I'm thinking of sinking safes in the ground on my various properties and filling them with essentials that would be hard to acquire in times of government lockdown, mainly guns and ammo, long shelf-life batteries, communication gear, etc.
Anybody else put any thought into this? I welcome all ideas that might allow me and my family to survive the coming violence with our values and morals intact
>>699732874 You're trying your best to live the liberal fantasy that all cultures are compatible and that violence is not inherent in humab nature. But, like anything struggling against its nature, you are slated for destruction
Actually, if Clinton comes to rule, your guns would be criminalized, and you'll have to give them out. Batteries have a lifetime: they lose ~15% of total charge capacity yearly even w\o use(in cold even more). Rations are ok, but you will not need them in a lot.
If Hilary wins we continue on a steady decline as a country just like putting shittier and shittier tape on something you don't know how to fix til it eventually breaks. . If Trump wins we go on a sharp decline and it's like saying fuck tape let's just take it apart and poke around and then not putting it back together cuz it's impossible.
Either way shitty results, even if I could legally vote I'd pass.
>>699733138 he could actually beleive those thngs but not believe that a massive civil war or anything like it is either likely or inevitable. We will not be living an post america, we will continue to live in America.
trump is unamerican. trump is anti american. trump is Putin's bitch, determined to reduce our military, close bases around the world, reduce our power and influence, renege on our promises to allies, and let Putin expand his power and do as he wants.
>>699733736 well he hasn't managed to release any real dirt so far - what makes you think he will find anything important? (dnc emails - pathetic nonsense - pay to play? please - shit tier smear campaign)
>>699734401 We are already living in post-America. The only thing left is to make it official by having a president literally wipe her ass with it. An outsider who hasn't made every dollar in his life peddling political bandaids and who is intent on disrupting the current government MO is our only hope.
There is no path forward without considerable pain, but at least one path leaves America intact
America has not changed - except in that its ideals of openness, freedom, acceptance of others, all races, religious freedom and equality, are under attack by Trump and his dead head republican base of bigots and tax avoiders.
>>699735444 America is only America because of its Constitution. The Supreme Court has already crossed its boundaries set forth is the Constitution by actually changing laws rather than only pass judgement on their Constitutionality (I'm thinking specifically of Ohio's Obamacare law that was challeneged in the SCOTUS a couple years back). In that case, SCOTUS actually upheld the law, arguing that the lawmakers *meant* to write it one way when in fact they wrote it another. Laws must be explicit, and they must be interpretted according to how they're written, says the Constitution. But SCOTUS threw that out the window.
And now we have a presidential election where the next president may very well be able to skew the bench as much as 6-3. If Clinton and the status quo wins, the Constitution will see changes it hasn't witnessed in all of America's history
>>699732679 A safe is a terrible way to keep things in the ground. If you already have the guns you want then I suggest the little stuff that keeps them running. First is cleaning supplies, go with the 2 rod sets per three firearms, just to have back ups. I currently go 1 set per 5 firearms but I can still buy them. I also suggest bore snakes for each weapon system, it's a quick way to get a basic clean. Have plenty of oil for those you use regularly, cosmoline for long term storage. That takes care of your maintenence needs, I personally google commonly broken items on my firearms and try to grab spares when I can. Magazines are another big issue, if you plan to bug out the rule of thumb is ten or so, those fuckers get heavy eventually. If you shelter in place make sure you have at least ten at each cache location. Ammo count is dependent on how often you plan to shoot. There are threads weekly on /k/ discussing this. Things I shoot daily tend to run low or out. So for that I suggest you learn to reload now, and stock up on components before they are illegal or tracked. It's a short term expense and long term savings. Also get two sets of dies for what you shoot and two presses, the back up doesn't have to be fancy. I place a heavy emphasis on the gun aspect because they will take a hit before food becomes scarce. Each cache should be able to sustain your group for at least three days to a week. I assume you have wells so won't discuss water. Start growing a garden. It's late in the summer but do the prep work for a fall garden now, high yield foods are good, coordinate with neighbors and group members to grow different crops for trading.
>>699736682 Never did i mention the SC interpreting the Constitution. I mentioned them interpreting state laws and deciding they knew what they lawmakers had in mind when they wrote it, as opposed to actually passing judgement on *what they wrote*.
It is in this respect that SCOTUS transitioned from interpretting the constitutionality of laws to actually changing them, which according to the Constitution is reserved for state legislatures.
Please respond with an argument rather than linking a Wikipedia page and insulting my intelligence.
>>699737174 Interpretation of the law has always required judgement, not just a dictionary.
that is why judges do it, not english teachers.
the SC has not changed its approach, nor acted unconstitutionally. I sent you the wikipedia link because it was obvious that you are ignorant and uninformed, even if you are highly intelligent please learn to law.
>>699736738 Finally, a /b/ro with something useful to say.
I certainly wouldnt put all my guns in those safes, but cleaning supplies would definitely be among their contents. And whatever container I'd use, it would be sealed with a few dessicant packs in there.
And yeah, i started growing vegetables and keeping chickens about a year ago, so that'll help.
>>699737388 Find me another example in history when the SC said "We know the law is written in such a way that makes clear the state doesn't have to set up their own healthcare marketplace, but we think it was a mistake and the lawmakers meant to make it say otherwise"
>>699737388 Why do you think the addition or subtraction of a single word of a bill has to go back through the entire process of being voted on by both houses of Congress? It's because when the courts interpret it, they must do so according to how it's written
>>699732679 Stockpiling shit because you're afraid it will be made illegal has 2 implicit potential consequences: - Your cache will be discovered and buttraep'd by the administration you're trying to buck - You will use your cache and be buttraep'd by the administration you're trying to buck The alternative of course is in a SHTF scenario your neighbors will betray you and come string you up for your shiny stockpile of gold and weapons.
I was a contractor in Afghanistan when the whole 'blackwater killing kids for fun' thing went down. They took away all our weapons shortly thereafter if your job wasn't directly related to securing a facility of some kind. I didn't really worry much. Why?
Put simply: if it ever gets to the point where I needed a gun for a persistent life or death lifestyle, they'll either be lying around often enough, or easy enough to get. If the perimeter of my FOB was compromised, there would be ample dead dudes already for me to scavenge enough for a valiant last stand. Hoarding shit makes you at best a target of opportunity for looters, at worst a target of the state. Buy a cheap bolt action and wait for the first tacticool mallcop nigger or $insert_fascist_goon with a select-fire AR and pop him from a hundred yards. Then take his shit. Or wait until your neighbor with the sweet cache goes to sleep and then pop him and take his shit. If rule of law ever dissolves I'll be forgoing human decency until I can get far enough innawoods.
As far as trump goes, I think the smart money is on marrying a foreigner and having a second passport as a possible escape route. It does tickle me that my retirement savings will be forever tied up in dollars and at risk should anyone catastrophically fuck things up.
>>699733991 >If Trump wins we go on a sharp decline Sharp decline from what? Trump has made it clear for a long time that he's not a war monger. Hillary will try to beat her husband's bombing record. We'll be more hated than ever around the world.
>>699738169 no it is because the aim is to make the law as clear as possible so that it does not need interpretation, but given the infintie flexibility of language and the huge volume of hard cases, no law is perfect. which is why there is such a thing as common law and precedent ad judicial interpretation.
for example - the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment relies on a disconnect between the passage about the need for a well regulated militia and the right to bear arms - and an interpretation that bearing arms means owning arms. this is not a dictionary interpretation, it is a judicial one, and it may (and probably should) be overturned. The law is clearly written that it is in order to ensure that there is a well regulated militia that every american citizen has the right to join that militia (not to own weapons) in contrast to pre revolutionary times when certain classes of people were prohibited from joining the army or militia.
see - same words, two interpretations, both clear and both valid - only one currently upheld by judgement. But that may change (and I hope it will)
>>699738657 All good points. I have this fantasy in my head that I'll be able to band together with my neighbors, but that's highly unrealistic. And i see your point about being a target, but that's why you pay cash and bury everything behind high fences!
It sounds like you're on your own, though, which definitely increase your chances of survival. Me, i got a pregnant wife due right about election time. Fun!
>>699739072 I agree with everything you just said, but what I'm referring to is the SC deciding to ignore words in a *state* law, not the Constitution. Goddamnit, now I'm going to have to find this on my phone, gimme a sec
>>699738657 >As far as trump goes, I think the smart money is on marrying a foreigner and having a second passport as a possible escape route i'm going to merikah and finding some retarded feminazi bitch to wed bcus i'm that lonely. hopefully trump wins nd she can lives with the mes
>>699739181 Wow, good luck to you then. If or if not shit hits the fan :P I mean, we all prepare in our own ways, but I think we secretly hope (and know) that the slow burn will continue rather than any sort of transformative event.
I gave up caring about democracy a long time ago and focused on amassing capital, since a dollar tends to be more effective than a vote when it comes to influencing public opinion or political goings on.
>>699732968 Lol >You ask the people what they're lookin' for in florida and they're gonna tell you "jobs" >Now Donald Trump. He wants to get people jobs. >So I'm gonna say it looks like Trump'll win Florida.
>>699739529 as if shillary wont do the same thing? are you retarded or something? they're all the same slaves to the same establishment. at least trump has the balls to call it for what it is. not like he will ever be able to change anything about it though.
>>699739529 You're not making sense. Trump will tend to de-regulate to an extent, freeing up the market. On the other hand, Hillary will grow government bigger than ever on a colossal welfare ticket. She has said that she plans to give $5000 bonds to every baby born. You wanna talk tanking the economy?
>>699739793 I'd exit bitcoin in favor of something like silver. There's pretty significant indications the the integrity of the currency is on shaky ground with the advent of large ASIC mining shops.
It's always been my thought that the triumvirate of currency in a post-society scenario would be something like: -Ammunition -Opiates/Pain Killers -Antibiotics
Unfortunately it's only legal to stockpile 2 of those :P
I was able to get a way out via my Fiancee who has a grandfather of Italian origin. Italy is one of the few places that lets you claim blood citizenship as far back as 2 generations if you can prove your lineage. Not to say Italy is a paradise of justice and equality, but it does get you EU work permission and permanent residency. Plus Sardinia is nice this time of year :)
>>699732968 So basically, what you're telling us is, if Trump can win the battleground states, it's a sure win. And that he has to ignore historical blue states like New York and California? Mind blown. Brilliant video, dude.
>>699740012 no hillary is not planning to give a huge tax break to billionaires.
Trump does not have balls or brains - his calling it like it is is bullshit - he wants to do trickledown economics all over again - the same voodoo economics that Regan and Bush used. the same bullshit - make it easier to exploit workers and give billionaires more money and the economy will grow and it will be better for all. except the exploited workers and the middle classes who have to pay for the yuuge tax break for the billionaires.
The jew is terrified of the prospect of tossing out millions of Mexican criminals. They've worked very hard scooting them in here. Hillary is pretty much their last hope, next to JFK'ing Trump mossad style.
>>699740048 de regulation will free upthe market - and the market cares so much about you that it will give you jobs,,, yeah.
how will giving bonds to kids tank the economy - look up the concept of helicopter money - better way to kickstart the economy than giving billionaires a tax break and handing more money over to the banks...
>>699737174 You basically wanted a law you didn't like get thrown out on a technicality, and now you're butthurt about it and think you know how the legal system works better than a supreme justice does.
>>699741236 Your economics sounds like it was taught to you by a typical leftist university kike. History shows that with less regulation, controls and taxation, comes more investment, innovation, and prosperity.
>>699741571 never gonna happen. no one will ever agree. we can't agree on much simpler shit. the best you can hope for is a waco sized group but in reality you'll get a shit tier group like those idiots in oregon.
>>699734248 There's only one reason to want another AWB when ARs are used in less than 1% of all gun crime. And that's a stepping stone for more useless bans and eventual all out banning and confiscation. And she is on record saying another AWB is one of the first things she wants to do as president. The first one cause a rise in violent crime and saved no lives. There's literally no other reason to do it.
>>699732679 Nothing is actually going to change. She's not going to take your guns or impose martial law. She represents the status quo that corporations want to maintain. Stop listening to fear mongering conservatives.
>>699741172 Its worth it to the banks just to avoid the economic catastrophe it would be to end NAFTA and impose tariffs on our trading partners as Trump proposes. And dont think for a second that tarriffs and abandoning trade agreements will bring back manufacturing jobs to the US. It is automation and a global economy that has killed the middle class factory job...and NAFTA just redirected those jobs that we would have lost to China to Mexico instead. The age of the middle class factory worker in our country is over, we are now an advanced economy...you'd better be educated or you will be flipping burgers...
Steve Ballmer hired Mark away from Burson to work for Microsoft, where he came up with the anti-Google Scroogled campaign. Besides the crappy Scroogled TV ads, this involved - you got it - paying shills to post online.
>>699741548 You do know that most economics departments are now infested with neo-liberal free market Hyeck and friedman ites - yes, kikes, but right wing free market kikes.
you do know that was why we had the great crash of 2008 - because economics has lost its way and gone right wing and against regulation and progressive taxation
you do know that every time the trickle down theory is used the economy tanks while the rich get richer?
you do know that . but you are on the side of the rich, maybe you are rich, maybe you are spreading these lies because you see that Trump will make you richer, while the poor and the middle class get screwed.
>>699742399 shut the fuck up. we're getting better and better. clinging to some bullshit pre-internet time period is dumb. the world has changed. you cannot go backwards to some pretend time. fix yuor own fucking life, make a path in this new world or fucking kill yourself.
>>699742041 In the long term on average they will do better than you in raw numbers of dollars. but you will do better for the first ten years, and have pride in your work, and if you are smart you will invest some of that surplus and build a business and retire early. you may never be a millionaire, but you won't be a corporate slave and burn out. Personally, I think you have chosen the better life. Good luck bro.
>>699742683 Gun bans don't accomplish anything but making criminals out of law abiding citizens. Plus there's statistical evidence that guns are used way more defensively than they are in murders. There is no evidence to support banning guns. It's the criminals we should focus on. And better mental screenings for legal purchases. But that's not gonna fly because if someone like Hillary is in charge of that list then every current legal gun owner will just be deemed unfit and that's game over.
>>699742492 yeah because Obama caused the end of the world, took all the guns, turned us all muslim and stopped the Superbowl.
eight years time when people are looking back at the second term for hillary and an Democrat congress and senate that actually did stuff instead of trying to break the government the way the Repubs have done, will there still be idiots like OP? Or will they all vote democrat all the way down the ticket and keep America Progressing
>>699742498 not paying me... and I posted five of the oes you mentioned..
lol, conspiracy creeps.
Of course it is true that Putin is paying to have shills on /b/ - last mnight they were out in force but got busted because they were all int he one thread using the same playbook posts - flurries of Back to the future memes and calling people dumb nigger, or hypocrite, or posting lies about what was int he DNC emails. it was funny to watch.
>>699743079 I would like to see the staistical evidence. I have seen lots of evidence about how often hand guns are used in suicide, murder suicide, murder, accidental killing, accidental killing of children, accidental killing by children, road rage killings and of course crime. I have seen evidence that shows these are all more likely if guns are easily available (ranging from 40 to 100 times more likely per capita in US as opposed to UK where hand guns are limited to gunclubs for competition shooting)
but hey, show me the evidence that banning guns does not accomplish anything (except in the UK, Australia, and all the other countries that banned guns)
I am sure it will make interesting reading, along with the paranoid fantasy stuff about Hillary...
>>699742235 This is so true. Even as early as 8 years ago virtually all the bitching came from the left.
Now the only people you hear complain or throw tantrums are the right. Conservative values are supposed to be about strength and modesty cased in honor and tradition. It's getting harder and harder to find that in the republican party. Just a bunch of babies crying about their feelings now.
I've actually felt bad for Ryan and Mccain and Romney having to deal with what their party has become in the last five or so years.
>>699732679 >I'm thinking of sinking safes in the ground on my various properties and filling them with essentials that would be hard to acquire in times of government lockdown, mainly guns and ammo, long shelf-life batteries, communication gear, etc
>>699743947 I didn't say that - the clintons pay shill, sure. just probably not on /b/
I am not being paid - but I am a democrat supporter and tired of the lies and bullshit that trumpiesand republicans put up.
but last night, the russians were definitely here - it was not hive mind or syncronicity, it was a playbook being tested - and they got busted.
this afternoon they were trying a new tactic - small negative posts about trump and then equivocating between him and hillary. sor tof sure trump is a douche but hillary is no better (and maybe worse, who knows)?
and also Sure putin is horrible, but i prefer him to the Hag...
>>699743172 First black president followed by first female president and they're both gonna get 8 year terms when all is said and done. I don't know if these inbred republicans are ever gonna be able to recover from that.
>>699744459 I love the way someone calls me retarded when they quote me out of context. But since you did not get it, i was replying to someone who said there was zero chance of being killed by a gun. and I was pointing out that thousands of people are killed by guns so he was wrong.
and yes, i remember charlie hebdo. I buy it regularly (I live in france at the moment). I was in Paris that day.
But I also remember that in comparison to the USA we have had 8,000 fewer murders than we should have on a per capita basis, since Charlie Hebdo. Because we don't have stupidly lax gun control laws.
I was also here when the killings in nice happened. How much worse would it have been if the guy had easy access to a a gun, and unlimited ammunition? would the body count have been higher?
dumb is as dumb looks. and you are looking pretty dumb, friend.
>>699744480 lol, guns are used to protect ten times more women from rape than the total numebr of attempted rapes every year.
Gleck over estimated use of guns for defensicve purposes by a massive margin, from limited data.
his estimate of number of criminals wounded by defensive gun use is larger than the whole number of gunshot wounds per year from all causes.
try harder, bad statistics guy.
(also comparing honduras, cote d'ivoire and el salvadore and jamaica - all lawless nightmare countries with no resources but lots of machetes and gangs to the US and saying the murder rate has only gun ownership in common is just plain deceitful. not just bad statistical comparison but the best part of an outright lie.
>>699745147 I think it'd be a hilarious troll move if CNN just took a week wasting their time going over every instance trump has done something like that.
Honestly the RNC can't even hold themselves in the same league as the Dems any more. The Republican base cries and wines about "How the american people feel" about issues as if their feelings provide the factual basis for the issues at hand, while Fox news drums up scandal stories on Democratic representatives that maybe would have been shocking 40 years ago.
Meanwhile the Dems continue to skate circles around them and all they have to do is report on another stupid thing the mighty republican leader said at one of his rallies to make it clear to the majority of key voters in the US that he is not even close to qualified for the job.
I swear all the DNC is doing is sitting back and getting drunk and laughing. You can't even call this a two party race.
>>699745034 you equated refugees with rapists. (a bit like Trump, who it seems may be a rapist...) but anyway - why did you do that? some refugees in sweded did rape - but that is not to say that all refugees are rapists, or that they will rape people in the US.
they are refugees for a good reason - partly caused by US fuckups in international affairs. time the US paid for their fucking up by helping some of the people they have fucked up.
plus that 10,000 number is exaaggerated because some people are involved with this where they have a much higher chance of getting killed - drug dealers, gang leaders, suicides, staying with domestic abuser, etc.
>>699746591 we can comfortably disregard rape statistics in sweden. they have changed the way they approach rapes and reporting of rapes so the numbers are no longer reliable when compared to pre-change numbers.
sure some immigrants will be rapists and murderers. we can' texpect them to be angels. there will probably the same number of any selected group or culture.
if you take 10,000 lily white americans some of them wil still be murerers and rapists.
>>699732679 Here's how I'll prepare > claim I'm a black transgendered lesbian that is a chopper kin > scream oppression and racism at the government if they try to do anything to me > get my own safe space cos of all the oppression > bring everyone who is against Cunton to my safe space under the same lies > REVOLUTION > ??? > profit
>>699746536 Nobody fucking cares about 4chan, faggot. /pol/ is a containment board, not a place to encourage political discussions. You'd be wasting your time here, when there are so many actual politically-based websites with comments you could troll, and you'd have to actually do some work here, not just scream FAGGOT like we do.
>>699745637 Your statistics are bogus, friend. A 9th grader could grasp that thousands of factors go into the fall in gun violence, least of them being a rise in the number of guns people own. Hell the reduction of lead in gasoline would probably factor 100 times more heavily into it than your dumb idea about "people having more guns is making everyone use them less"
>>699745637 Plus isn't your guy's whole campaign platform standing on the fact that gun violence is up? Isn't he here to restore law and order? Which is it, you fucking cum stain of a silly little man?
>>699746181 no you have a one in thirteen million chance of winning the lottery.
if it was zero, no one would win.
I am sorry if you cannot do maths, and don't know what you are talking about, but how can i explain this. Even if it is a small chance sread out over the whole population (which is an unfair way to do it - the high death rates are in specific areas and we could ban all hand guns in say large cities, thereby lowering the risk) there is still a sizable risk.
it may sound small, because people do not have a good grasp of statistical probability - like you. but it is significant.
for example, if you had the same risk of being killed by tigers wouldn't you insist that your neighbour who owned the tiger locked it up and didn't let it roam unchained?
it would do him no good to say, hey your chance of being killed by a tiger is statistically zero. (after all only ten thousand people every year are killed by tigers, and it was only twenty last year in this street)
the fault is not the people who live in bad neighbourhoods or have abusive boyfriends. the problem is that the bad guys and the bad boyfriends can easily buy guns.
justbecause you don't have a problem in your nice middle class white neighbourhood does not mean that you should be able to buy guns. becusae if you can everyone can, and that menas you have ten thousand human beings killed and twenty to thirty thousand seriously injured and millions traumatised and in grief, with blighted lives, poverty, lost loved ones and life changing injuries every fucking year, and all so you can have a gun instead of a sex life.
>>699745637 yeah, you know that old canard 2lies damn lies and statistics" this is what they meant. these are not statistics - they are made up numbers that any statistician would cry to see passed off under the name statistics. they are garbage, used by garbage to promote garbage.
>>699747185 Ripping someone off, or just a project gone south? He's filed chapter 11 on 11 companies (not 6) out of 515 in total. I'm not going to "deal with" your pointless shilling.
Trump has a success rate of 98.64%, why do you think so many people decide to do business with him? Even fucking Conspiracy News Network (The biggest Clinton asslicker media out there) says so. http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/03/news/economy/donald-trump-jobs-created/
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