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Ask someone attempting to turn the US into a Communist country

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Ask someone attempting to turn the US into a Communist country anything.
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why
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>>699156555
are you aware that communism is capitalism of the state?
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>>699156654

>he wants communism

I dont think hes aware of anything...
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>>699156555
nice trips, shitty idea.
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>>699156600
Because of shrinking resources, climate change and population issues, mainly.

We can be more powerful as a unit.
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>>699156555
that may be true but atleast im not a nigger
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>>699156654
It isn't capitalism. It is more like a series of focused labor movements.

And right now our labor movement should be to go to Mars and extract resources to meet the demand of an advanced society.
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>>699156776
haha conservative humor is sure fun isn't it
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>>699156555
have you heard to country joe mcdonald?
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>>699156555
Why?
How is it preferable to capitalism?
Until resources are included in our value system and scarcity driven consumption is gone, we will not have a sustianible society.
Communism can suck my shit along with capitalism
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>>699157044
oh look a stormfag
everyone point and laugh
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>>699157251
capitalism is non-sustaining and exploits workers so the 1% who controls everything benefits

Communism would be the 100% controlling everything. Everyone would have power as a citizen.
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>>699156555
why the US? why not Nigeria? What about Argentina? Or Georgia? Or Haiti? Why the US?
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>>699157714
Because once the US goes Communist, we will then help the rest of the world achieve that status.
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>>699157435
Not without an authoritarian regime to inforce fair play, so the state has power over citizens. I'm not suggesting a free for all, but a transformation into a resource based value system, where people can live their own life's and a sustainable equalitarian lifestyle is incentivized rather than forced.
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>>699157887
Why cant other countries be the catalyst? Why does it have to be the US?
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>>699157061
Thats the socio-political structure of capitalism. On a global stage, the purpose of communism is to be more economically sufficient than freedom of the market.

Josef Stalin was preaching that communism was economically more sustainable than capitalism, implying communism would profit more capital than capitalism
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>>699156555
Why do you feel the need to control others? Why not move somewhere with a system more to your liking?
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>>699157927
Actually since the science is solid that we're frankly going to go extinct if we continue with this unsustainable system, no, Most of the country would realize we need to change drastically--or die.

If you want to join the small percentage that would engage that majority and hope to win, then you've watched too many Chuck Norris movies.
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>>699157887
answer my question faggot

why the US? I know what your 'goal' is, but why here?
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>>699157979
Because the US is the leading political power in the world. Once we break the current paradigm, others, like Europe especially, would follow suit.
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>>699156555
can't make me into a monkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GP0FgRHhbo
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>>699157435
You know that has never worked and will never work, largely due to human nature. Why am I going to put in all the effort to become a doctor when I can make just as much money as a Janitor? Who will deliver pizza in this communist state? Do you not understand that communism is what caused the cultural shift in Russia that has created the culture of coruptiin they have had for the last 30-40 years? And you want that here? You talk of sustainability, but look at commnist China and its never ending flow of toxic waste.
Capitalism is what is driving "green" energy. We vote with our wallets more than anything else. Want to go to Mars? start telling companies that and someone will figure out how to make it happen. You dont get innovation on thay scale with commnism.
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>>699158093
Yes, if the money were going directly into the means of production instead of just shareholders, a communist economy would be more sufficient.

What's your point.
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>>699158093
Maybe it would have been economically sustianible if capitalism could cooperate with other systems.
Too bad economical sustianible isn't ecologically sustainable. The market paradigm and it's scarcity driven consumption is the real cancer.
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>>699158187
This isn't about controlling others. It's about pooling our resources in the wake of great natural and environmental crises.

You want to pretend our dog-eat-dog paradism is sustainable. Climate change and shrinking resources prove that it isn't.

Collectivism is really the only efficient way of ensuring survival of our species.
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>>699158304
Oh right, we are the leading political power in THE WORLD...

Now tell me... how could that possibly have happened if communism is better?
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>>699158283
I've answered it several times. Pipe down and read the thread.
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>>699158283
bcause its the biggest economy in the world and if you go communist you will try to pull everyone to play the same game using your rules.
it happened already. last century.
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What is the difference between a man and a parasite?
A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
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>>699158206
Well I'm not advocating staying like we are.
I'm advocating radical change, and throwing markets in the trash where they belong. Communism is still keeping the worst parts of capitalism in tact. It's trying to control capitalism.
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>>699158458
These are really typical arguments naysayers use, so not going to waste time "refuting" them. Learn how to think for yourself instead of just gobbling up blowhard right-wing bullshit.


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>>699158458
>We vote with our wallets more than anything else.

When we have an economic structure controlled by 1% of the population, no we don't.

You want to be a cog in a corporate wheel that leads to nothing but profit for a few.

I am offering a world where everyone makes a difference and we get off this planet as a team, not as some accomplishment some aging executive can reflect on while fucking his hot trophy wife.
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>>699158735
>>699158799
my question was rhetorical, see >>699158707
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>>699156555
How does it feel knowing you're the dumbest, most arrogantly ignorant, hateful subhuman jewish cuck to ever live?
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>>699158707
We would use our influence to build a stronger version of the United Nations to ensue local sovereignties. But the Security Council votes would be binding, the biggest difference.
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>>699158458
is not all about money my friend.
communism has never been implemented in any country ever (complete abolition of private property)
capitalism and neoliberalism will not last more than 20 years. it is clear that is not the way forward.
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>>699158858
It's not capitalism. Why do you keep using that word.

The capital belongs to the people, not corporations.
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>>699159244
Thats not the question you subhuman hillary jew
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>>699159371
oh look it's summer in here
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>>699158458
>Capitalism is what is driving "green" energy.
grow up kid.
because of capitalism we are all intoxicated and fat.
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>>699158686
>Collectivism is really the only efficient way of ensuring survival of our species.
lol. stellaris wiki fat-trap faggot detected.
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>>699158869
so in other words you ignore what doesnt fit your narative because it makes a good point and you might have to admit to being wrong.
Read "The Road to Serfdom" by Hyeck. He basically outlines how capitalism must have Socialist undertones in order to function (public schools, roads) and that its the responsibility of the goverment to prevent any one company from stiflign competition.
With the current push for corporat responsibility it seems to me that companies are doingn their best to maketheir workers happy because their customers demand it.
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>>699159101
thank you

I'd forgotten just how cringing being 12 felt
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>>699158686
Mans greatest arrogance is that he thinks he is above nature. You would be better off engineering a new species that had no individualism.
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>>699156555
nigga

communism is shit

reform capitalism instead.

capitalism is shit when it comes to householding resources and stuff, but its great for success in science and progress people and so on.
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>>699159719
No it's more like you're using a familar tactic of bombarding your opponent with bullshit, expecting him to wade through that garbage, and then recommending a book.

You're a liar. Let's just set that straight. You're using the usual fear and disinformation that frankly McCarthy would have used if grilled as to why he opposed collectivism.
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>>699156555
Why have stoped taking your pills?
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>>699159244
How are we such a pivotal and important global power that is vital to your agenda to spread communism when we are among the most capitalistic countries out there? How on earth can you say communism is better, when you clearly admit our strength as a global power and we are capitalistic to the bone?

Thats like saying you want everyone to be great at chess, so you're going to talk to the greatest players out there and convince them to play like shit.
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>>699159960
I addressed your argument.

Move on. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of "crazy."
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>>699159757
The funny thing is that people seem to think that because we would be collective, that individual strengths wouldn't be important.

The problem is that "individualism" is taken to mean "kneejerk rejection of authority" mostly by paranoid right wingers.
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>>699160076
You addressed nothing. You ignored the question entirely and answered your own question. It's called a strawman
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>>699159323
>capital

Communism does nothing to hinder the rapid destruction of the natural systems we depend on because it is anthropocentric and considers the needs of the people and not the earth that supports us. We need to work within the confines of the natural world, as defined by science or we will continue to consume at an unstutainable level.
That's why I want a system where the abundance of a resource, and the causal effects of allocation determine its value.
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>>699160281
Again, I have addressed this point on more than two different occasions in this thread.

We are a global power. The biggest. Deal with it. Saying "nuh uh no we ain't" just makes you sound like a huge retard.
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>>699160356
Again, the biggest reason to go collective is to work together as a country to go to Mars and set up a colony to mine resources.

It would be much like the way the country came together in WWII to fight a common enemy, only this time the enemy is possible extinction.

We need a world event like going to Mars in partnership to make the next 500-1000 years possible. Not even trolling.
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>>699160410
HOW IS COMMUNISM BETTER IF WE ARE THE BIGGEST POWER AND WE ARE NOT COMMUNIST?
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>>699159459
oh really? Tell me, why are Tesla cars so expensive, yet popular? For that matter why is every car maker putting out an electric or hybrid car? Why are solar panels appearing on the tops of homes? Is it by the graciousness of the hearts of our leaders or because people are buying them?
"Communists" are all people who are too lazy to work and want to blame that mythical 1%...who own all the media companies that promote comminism.
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>>699159884
>Im taking my ball and going home
Great argument you presented there
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>>699160650
allcaps doesn't make you any less 12

stop posting
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Communism is an economic system defined as "the workers own the means of production."

It is a form of collectivism, where certain resources are redistributed from individuals to the collective. In the case of communism, these resources are "the means of production."

It is a real world economic implementation of Marxism ideology, which advocates "From those according to their ability, to those according to their needs."


So, Communism is basically taking away companies, corporations, and factories from those who had the skill and ability to create them, and giving those resources to the workers, people who did not have the skill and ability to create production. How long do you think a society will last when it's infrastructure is run by those who do not know how to run it?

You can look to historical examples for an answer.
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>>699160269
No. Merely by people who dont want some self appointed parent figure running their lives.
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>>699160824
No I'm definitely still here

you're a neo-mccarthyite

revel in it
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>>699160995
yeah well again, that would be some small percentage of the population with poverty issues and possibly mental illness sounding that call

the vast majority of this country would realize the need to change our ways, or die.
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>>699160944
>So, Communism is basically taking away companies, corporations, and factories from those who had the skill and ability to create them, and giving those resources to the workers, people who did not have the skill and ability to create production.

bare assertion is bare

and that's the crux of your argument?
weak
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>>699161031
sticks and stones mr anon, sticks and stones.
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>>699160916
Your argument is based solely on a subjective notion that communism is "better" which you have even admitted is not true by your preference of a capitalistic country over all other countries. You are so logically fallacious and you can't even see it.
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OP is the type of nigga to ride a roller coaster with goggles on
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>>699161251
No your weakass barrage of text got called out, and now you're playing victim.

This is a common tactic social conservatives use as well. I can read you like a book.
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>>699161391
says the faggot screaming in ALLCAPS
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If I'm a Ricardian Socialist, are we allies?
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>>699161391
except I said no such thing, and that communism is not capitalism

you're just a faggot aren't you
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>>699161158
No sir. The desire to control human beings as if they were a machine to be driven is a mental illness. Your paranoid obsession with 'survival of the species' is just as moronic as these doomsday preppers. You act as though it would be so bad if humans went extinct which makes me question whether or not youre some sort of religious nut, in which case you need not worry about survival because your god will decide for you anyways.
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>>699161240
You're welcome to refute it, but those are the definitions of the terms you defend
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>>699160616
Nah dude, there is plenty of room for a population double to have a better standard of living than we do. All we need to do is get rid of scarcity driven consumption, smart population control instead of a natural crash.
We need to take care of what we have, we have no way to produce biotic resources on Mars, it would probably cost more to get there and we aren't biologically capable of landing on Mars after mircogravity for so long. So it's science fiction, we find a way to take care of what we got now or we will never get to Mars. Communism is incentivized overexpoltiation, just like capitalism.
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>>699160654
hahaha a little clueless pale kid with no idea of how the world works talking about solar panels and laziness.
poverty is an abstraction except for the people that has suffered from it.
come back when you understand that and when you have read about salvador allende and all the smaller countries the US had bullied for over 70 years just to drain its natural resources.
la humanidad ya caminará sobre las grandes alamedas; y va a ser nuestra(!) generación la que va a gobernar esta primers mitad del nuevo siglo.
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>>699156555
Anarcho Communism or Vanguard Communism? If the latter youre retarded and it wont work, if the former it already exists anyway as it is naturally existing within reality in which case you are either in harmony with it or youre not just as with nature in general.
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>>699161861
Again, you are talking like some paranoid face it Trumpfag type who would make up a small percentage of the population.

You will be expected to go along with progress the rest of the majority VOTED FOR and for you own sake you had better not try something stupid like taking up arms.
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>>699161952
That call went out 50 years ago.

And we're just starting to take climate change seriously now.

Do the math.

That means in roughly 40 years, the consequences of the shit we were supposed to take care of 50 years ago will be double or triple the effects we're experiencing now.

Too late to do it that way. Big business cannot be persuaded to go to Mars. It has to be a labor-intensive project like we saw in WWII where the populace comes together.
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>>699162115
More like an anarcho-communism based on a parliamentary system.
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>>699159960
Take a look at the unemployment rate, the poverty rate, criminality rate, development index, the education rate and the happiness index of the USA. And than take a look at some more socialistic countries like denmark or norway.

In fact the poverty rate is increasing over the past years, as direct consequences of the capitalism. Rich people stay rich, poor people stay poor, if you are poor you won't get rich.

While socialism says that everyone gets what he works for. People who work more will get what they deserve. If you work twice as hard as someone else you will get twice the money.

Isn't that what all you americans want? So why stay with this capitalism which destroys your society more and more, and don't even try to get a little bit socialist.

The most funny thing about this is, that the poor people are the most capitalistic, but they are the once who suffer the most because of it.

And the argument that the USA is a great economical power is shit, you might have big companies, but the average american is way poorer than for example in denmark, which is, surprise, way more socialistic.
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>>699162202
Now I know for certain you're a troll, you could have done better.
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>>699156555
What is your favorite toast spread?
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>>699156555
How much did Hillary pay you? Also why not fascism, the most effective method of collectivist authoritarianism?
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>>699162619
Not even trolling. "Individualism" is often mistakenly taken to mean "defiance," especially by Trumpfag types and Teabaggers--which are the same thing.

And it's up to you as to whether you want to join a better society or act like Civil War rejects.
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>>699162928
Because fascism relies on a strict power structure where government and business partner.

With Communism it's a community process where democracy drives policy, not a dictator.
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>>699162711
Plum jam from some trees down the road.
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>>699163209
pleb peanut butter is clearly master race
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>>699162928
Also Hillary is not "Communist." In fact her saying she wants to "reach across the aisle" like Obama did is center-right, not leftist.
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>>699163317
Not on toast you weird faggot
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>>699162519
Christ you about gave me a heart attack, throwing around words like communism, that word might as well be like gay nowadays, I prefer using syndicalist or libertarian left but hey whatever floats your boat, I agree with alot of communist ideology myself in terms of seeing reality as an evolutionary process although I wouldnt necessarily see capitalism as a necessary step in the process from so called primitivist communism to that with civilization.
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>>699156555
Do you browse that revolution board on torchan? Has your "movement" gained any traction? Is Obama a god damn commie?
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>>699162409
I'm not advocating for any kind of business to do anything.
I'm pretty much advocating for a natural law/ resource based economy, similar to the one proposed by the zeitgeist movement.
Carrying capacity degrades after overshoot, that's a fact of life we now have to deal with. Wtf is going to Mars going to do to feed people? Literally no reason to waste resources getting to a place that cannot support human life, it makes no sense to be hopeful for science fiction, we have what we have and until we can sustain ourselves with that we will never sustain a space faring civilization, space seems like hell to me anyways. What kind of sick fuck wants humans to live with the constant sensation of falling, only artificial light, and none of our natural heritage. Sounds gay. Mars has nothing to offer that we don't have in abundance.
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>>699163422
the word communism endures because of Marx's quote about "to each according to their own ability, to each according to their own needs"

it's actually individuality functioning as parts of the collective
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>>699159459
"We" speak for yourself neckbeard
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>>699160356
yes absolutely agree. the problem is the commodification of labor power and the need to earn wages in order to pay for the right to live - this translates into a consumptive economy whether it be 'communist' or capitalist. no communist country on earth has achieved this nor will it because they are states. anarchism leads to the answers.

>>699160616
i would like to explore space

>>699160650
you are stuck in the past, thinking of economies and power in terms of nation states. the economies have globalized.

>>699160944
this is bolshevik reading of marxism. its the kind that you see in most communist states. you take managerial control away from private owners and give it to government bureaucrats, basically.
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>>699163422>>699163335


Libertarian left isnt really good either though as you need a left and a right to exist, they represent different states of being that a society has to be in at certain stages of its being, fall, winter, spring, summer, etc. sometimes you can be more liberal and at other times you have to be conservative.
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>>699162562
>People who work more will get what they deserve. If you work twice as hard as someone else you will get twice the money.
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>>699163524
Going to Mars would be a world event where people come together like we did in WWII

only we wouldn't be using our ingenuity to destroy each other, but to cooperate as a species

the morale factor alone is worth it
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>>699159459
We're also rich and happy
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>>699156555
You are aware it would require a civil war that you would no doubt lose?
Little dancing faggot. You wanna live commie, move to North Korea.
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>>699163841
except conservatives have hardly been "conservative" about ensuring our resources are in abundance for future generations

and they would stagnate social evolution to keep that unsustainable paradigm dominant for short term gain only
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>>699159884
You're full of it. He brought up a good point. One you're yet to counter and instead are just brushing it under the rug.

The biggest flaw with communism is the expectation that each individual will put aside what's best for themselves to further the greater good. You're asking a person to go against their very nature.

Example. A doctor spends 10 years in school. Under communism he gets the same resource share as a high school drop out. Because collectively they all own the work. This means that individuals game the system and aim for the lowest rung. Why innovate when everyone is equal? What is motivation?
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>>699163447
every socialist will tell you that capitalism was required for development, but over a long term it will just hurt society. so yeah scandinavia developed through capitalism, and thats fine and was necessary, but that doesn't mean that it is required to stay with it. It's like saying you need to be breast feeded for your whole life because this was what you needed as a new born child
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>>699164059
I've addressed this. Those wishing to have a "civil war" would be massively outnumbered by the populace who would understand the need to go to a collective system.

If you really want to be martyrs for a frankly 18th century cause, that's your failing. I would hope to avoid violence, but often that kind of toxic indoctrination breeds that kind of dangerous stubborn characteristics based more on instinct than reason.
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>>699163922
nice graphic, but the creator of it (you?) doesn't understand socialism like it is intended to be. Everyone (who is willing to work) will get a work he is good in, and gets enough to live. Also if you work more you will get more. Thats basically socialism
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>>699162110
Fuck off. Every knows what poverty is.

You're not addressing the point of innovation only happens with incentives. Why make a better car if I get nothing from it? People are not inherently aultrusitc.
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>>699164186
So you don't think doctors are going to be in demand in the future just because we aren't a capitalist country any more?

That's your damning "evidence?"
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>>699162562
>People who work more will get what they deserve. If you work twice as hard as someone else you will get twice the money.
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>>699164611
Thomas Sowell is a right-wing dipshit
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I support this. Make propaganda op. We have to learn to use the social media in a way it helps to the transformation of the state and social relations that we need.
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>>699164611
good job quoting some idiot without doing your own thinking, or learning what socialism really means
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>>699164168
Well obviously I get what youre saying is true in terms of capitalism but the conservatives are actually more important than the liberals if you really think about it because without a solid foundation of freedom you cant insure lasting progression. If you cant own guns youre not free, if you cant speak your mind because youve offended someone then youre not free, if your collective cant defend itself from endless immigration from other cultures then it's not free, it'd be nice if more anarchists would actually realize stuff like this. There are times for a harvest and there are times to protect and grow the crops.
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>>699164421
Communism started in the 18th century too, you retard.
Communism only spreads by the sword because anyone with an IQ over 33 knows collectivism and liberty cannot coexist. I hope you fight better than you logic, because you're going to need to. I know you don't because you are a cunt.
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>>699156555
which communist theory do you want to apply?
are you mor a marxist fundamentalist or more hybrid marxist-leninist or maybe another one?
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>>699164186
you have a faulty understanding of communism as it is actually practiced. under state communism doctors still earn more than the high school drop out. its just that the state owns the hospital where the doctor works and the farm/factory that the high school drop out works.

some of the profit of both medicine and farm/factory work is used to pay for the schools and roads. except its not out of taxes, its out of state profit, which are essentially the same thing.

state communism is a lot like capitalism in developed countries and people dont really realize this.

what makes a country communist is not the distribution of resources but the relationship of the workers to the means of production. do workers work for the publicly-owned enterprise and thus 'own' the means of their production, or are they hired by a private firm?

state communism is more like a centralization of business, while capitalism allows for monopolization and competition between private (corporate) entities.
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>>699164518
They are in demand. My point is why be a doctor if everyone makes the same wage? Why work harder when everyone e makes 10 an hour? Why better myself when my house is the same as yours.

You're obviously an idiot.
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What you dumb niggers don't realize is there has to be a balance of power between the elite, the government, and the working people. Any extreme, be it communism, anarchy, or oligarchy all have one group in power. None of these systems are realistic or sustainable.

The only answer is to have a system of checks and balances. Large corporations need to be regulated. Corporations need to be seperate from the government. The people need to have a democratic system. A perfect balance is the only viable option.
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>>699163938
But don't we have more imporant things to do than an interplanetary team building exercise? Like coming together to build a society that won't crash and burn.
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>>699164901
Anyone who truly knows what socialism is is against it. Ask Sanders and his juvenile retard followers.
Not as many people are buying that bullshit as its' adherents want to think.
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>>699156555

The cold war ended 1991, communism proved itself incapable of being a viable doctrine to follow.

My family being from USSR would string you up for such a notion. Shortages of everything, fear, paranoia, secret police, unable to speak your mind etc.

You want communism, go live in china or North Korea you ignorant fuck

But answer me this OP, has there ever been a communist country that has achieve it's utopian ideal? Or have they all gown down the drain? I think the answer is pretty obvious.
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>>699164973
No it didn't

it was a philosophy from the 19th century

sorry they didn't teach that in 8th grade
maybe you live in a red state
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>>699162562

>People who work more will get what they deserve. If you work twice as hard as someone else you will get twice the money.
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>>699165002
not OP, but i would go with anarcho communism/syndicalism. i dont think that state communism is much different from state capitalism. it does little to address the alienation of the worker or the dominating power of commodities over the mediation of everyday life. what is so different between state communism and capitalism then?

maybe in the 1800's there would be a difference, but with the democratic-socialist countries of the developed world? (yes, US included, look at it in historical context). there is little difference between the 'capitalist' and state communist systems today.

so, anarcho communist / syndicalist. escaping the commodification of labor power and the alienation of the worker from their species being has not been realized under any communist government system.
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>>699165143
I think socialism is the best way to keep Markets
Still unsustainable but much preferable to capitalism. A stepping stone really.
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>>699165087
Everyone would get what they need

and a doctor would be considered amongst the most highly respected in society

it would be up to that society to reward that kind of disciplne
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>>699165040
That's not true communism. That a capitalistic version. To account for man's inherent greed.

Also why would I want the state to Conte the means of production vs a corporation. They are both just people. The asumptio is that this nebulous state entity would be working for my best interest. However this is never the case. Look at us presidency. He should be working for my benefit. But I've been fucked for the last 8 years.
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>>699165134
We need something to take our minds off that for a few decades, frankly. Something to distract us into creating a common good, instead of being burnt out trying to fix what we can't at the moment. Time to most past basic petty grievances and focus on a bigger picture: the survival of our species.
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>>699165283
Apparently you don't know your own history. Marx didn't start communism, you little queen. It's ideals were originally penned by the League of Just Men, who eventually became the original Bavarian Illuminati.
Get your nose out of your college professor's asshole, you little dip shit. You are learning nothing but what you are spoon fed.
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>>699163798
you are intoxicated as well i bet
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>>699165519
Stepping stone to abject poverty, and the death of liberty. It will not happen without the bloodiest of civil wars.
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>>699165567
Kind of like capitalism which rewards work bases on how much society values it?

You've lost me.
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>>699162562

>People who work more will get what they deserve. If you work twice as hard as someone else you will get twice the money.
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>>699165756
>posts b8
>acts like he's calling out b8

kek
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>>699165964
capitalism only "rewards" those at the top

try to keep up

I know you can't handle the concept that Communism isn't just one big endless beehive full of Orwellian dungeons
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>>699165717
We are pressed for time and going to Mars will just degrade our avalible resources further, wasting resources on such a thing is not possible at this time. We need to solidify around building s better future, a future where Mars is a viable option.
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>>699162562
If you are a foreigner, know that most of us dismiss your arguments out of hand. Your opinion means less to us than that of a drooling raving lunatic living in a box.
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>>699166010
i don't get what this picture has to do with the statement.

Could you might explain this?
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>>699165512
what i do not understand is that you want anarchism mixed into everything, because anarchism usually plays out into lynch mobs and seeing all those crazy SJW in USA and other countries you d be in for one hell of a ride
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>>699166200
I see your point, but people are so burned out trying to do that here.

We need something else to focus our energies on. And the payoff from that effort will be advances in technology and new resources to put new energy theories to use.
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>>699166138
Capitalism rewards those who produce. Just because you think you deserve a million dollars doesn't mean shit if nobody else does.

There is that whole 1% bullshit argument that poor people throw out.
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>>699165040
>>699165670
yeah, thats exactly what im saying.
thats why when people say 'communism failed hur dur the wall fell down' i say, communism? what communism?

its also the kind of communism many communists argue for, without realizing that it is not much different from what they are arguing against.

practically speaking, i want the state to control some things. other things, no thank you. a blend is nice.
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>>699166342
he's mad a nigger is President

just go with that
I don't get it either
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>>699166200
Mars doesn't have enough gravity to hold an atmosphere. A pipe dream equally laughable to that of communism happening in America.
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>>699165866
A stepping stone away from capitalism and towards a glorious resource based value system.
What do you suggest to beat cancer capitalism?
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>>699156555
Where do you live and what are you doing toward this end?
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>>699164053
>rich?
turn the knob of a few institutions in the US and you are as poor as fuck in less than 5 years.
>happy?
(are you really?)
at the cost of what?
of billions of people suffering everywhere else in the world.
look out of your window right now. that's how less than 5% of the world looks like.

your voting power gives you a big responsibility. you should read more, learn more languages, debate. do not remain hipnotizad with media and 'augmented reality' toys.
>augmented reality
please.
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>>699156555
How does one get trips?
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>>699156920
You are a fucking idiot. Shut the fuck up about communism. You're too retarded to understand how stupid of an idea that is, so keep your opinion to yourself, dumbass. It's stupid hipster cunts like you that are ruining the US with uneducated opinions based on their feelings. Kys.
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>>699166484
Yeah, that's what I've been trying to say.
Almost as ridiculous as any form of capitalism ever working.
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>>699166409
No it doesn't. Capitalism only rewards those who have the most. Trickling down to the plebs isn't "rewarding" anything.

Your entire criticism hangs on the bare assertion that nobody would want to be doctors. Not much of an argument, really.
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>>699166342
Social programs, such as those encouraged by Socialism, have ever increasing prices. You pay more and more for the standard, and eventually, you pay more for less than the standard.

You do NOT get more for your money with socialism, you get less.
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>>699166409
capitalism rewards those who produce and rewards greater those who own the means of production. those who own the means of production have more power in society. marx was bent on ending that unequal distribution of power which he saw divided between two big classes of people, the proletariat (workers) and the capitalists (owners)
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>>699166668
You had one job, faggot.
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>>699166488
All systems have their flaws. The free market system we were founded on was the only one offering equal opportunity. Not the false and destructive idea of equality in result.
Liberty is America's history, and it's in our blood. The cancer is collectivism in all it's forms.
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>>699166484
We have the tech to set up artificial gravity environments. And if we were at war, we'd find a way to make it work.

Why not make it work during peace?
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>>699166724
Universal healthcare
One example and you're BTFO
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>>699166691
stay mad teabagger
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>>699157661
This
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>>699166705
>Talking to collectivists.
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>>699166793
>The cancer is collectivism in all it's forms.

actually your post proves that an overall lack of education is your cancer
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>>699166831
>artificial gravity technology
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>>699166793
>equal oppurtunity
All my sides. I thought you were trying to discuss alternatives to capitalism/communism . If you think scarcity driven consumption will ever be sustainable you're a retard, don't talk to me.
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>>699167011
>>699166705
the funny thing is that there would be public comment on the proposal to go to Mars and your concerns would be addressed by science as feasible, so not really giving a fuck
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>>699167062
>disagreement
"Nah nah you is uneducated cuz you don't see it my way."
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>>699166279
Even if they dont listen i wont stop trying, because trying and failing is still better than doing nothing. And maybe someone will think about it and gets his own opinion about it, no matte what opinion, als long as it is self made its a step towards an enlighted society, and thats the ultimate goal
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>>699158268
Lol, this would be OP in a communist society.
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>>699166713
Now you're just being obtuse.

In capitalism you have an idea or product whose value is determined by what another person feels it is worth. Trade happens and commodities change hands. If you have no commodity. You are poor. Labor is a commodity.
That is under pure unregulated capitalism which never happens.

What I'm saying is under pure communism only people who really wanted to be doctors would. Today most people do it for the cash. There would still be doctors but skill level would decrease as well as applicants.

Are you still In grade school? this is basic supply demand.
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>>699167126
did you grow up Republican? Did your dad beat your sense of wonder out of you at an early age?
Serious question.
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>>699167145
I'll talk to whom I want, cunt. What are you going to do about it, type in all caps?
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>>699164515
>Every knows what poverty is.
you might have an idea of what it is but you certainly don't know what it is.
innovations only happens with incentives its true. but the motivation and the real changes (innovative) come from the society and the people, not from the ideas of corporate heads.
>Why make a better car if I get nothing from it?
its not all about cars mate.
you address the question to an individualistic point of view: 'I get nothing from it'. the first person is not 'me' but 'us'.
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>>699167235
no dude you sound like teabagger who probably believes taxation is "theft."
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>>699167247
And how well would you receive commentary from an American Libertarian wagging his finger with no true knowledge of your country outside of what he's read?
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>>699167324
If that's a serious question, I say to enjoy 8th grade when you enter it in September.
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>>699166724
you know socialism doesn't want to take the money from the state, the idea is that those who get too much give some too those who are currently under payed.

And don't tell me its stealing, because those people have more money than they could ever need, while others who work as hard as them, or even harder, have nothing. Its all about that everyone gets what he deserves to get, and not about some getting more because they had the luck to be born filthy rich
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>>699157661
underrate post
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>>699167223
Supporting life on Mars isn't feasible.
The other guy is a retard ancap "muh Liberty" please don't put our post numbers next to eachother.
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>>699167293
You're still making a bare assertion. Perhaps there would be additional honors bestowed on those who are doctors, who cares?

You still think communism is some closed system where babushka wait hours in line for bread.
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>>699158807
Amen
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>>699156555
Are you going to call me "raycis" when I shoot you in your stupid commie face? Because I would like that
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>>699167696
>Supporting life on Mars isn't feasible.
who says?

You?
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>>699167386
>broad stereotyping
Quite a reasoned argument. You've got a bright future ahead of you. Your ideas will be well received and you will take them far...
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>>699167737
Since you are a Trump supporter, you probably are a racist. Not really surprised there.
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>>699166853
State SUBSIDIZED is not a good example. Your getting a service where everyone foots the bill. Universal health care despoportionally benefit the chronically sick and those who fail to take care of themselves. It incentives poor lifestyles.
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>>699167802
yeah well too bad I'm right

you probably thought Obama was "lawless" too and that Hillary's a "criminal."
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>>699167639
Who decides who deserves what? The fucking STATE?
fucking children. Shame on me for arguing this.
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>>699167860
>It incentives poor lifestyles.
bullshit
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>>699167696
Get your lips of his cock, you little ass kisser.
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>>699167881
Way to continue the same laughable argument tactic.
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>>699167860
Wouldn't socialized healthcare be a requirement of constitution?

>all men are created equal
>right to life
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>>699162092
Really? The world owes everyone something? That's far too generous for 4chan
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