>>696894523 You should read more history. The Arabic people are the same ethnically as the Hebrews. We are the children of the second son of Abraham. Islam believes in the teachings of all the prophets Mohammed, Jesus, Abraham, and all others. God's message does not change, it is eternal. In the Q'ran the chosen people are all those which abide by the holy texts and believe in God, this includes Jews and Christians. Jews and Christians have lived in Muslim countries since the start of Islam, most Muslim today used to be Jewish in ancestry especially in North Africa.
If you read the history of the Q'ran you would understand that the majority of the Q'ran is exactly the same as the Torah and then the stories of Jesus in the New Testament. The rest is the stories of Mohammed.
Islam does not worship any prophet, we worship God, and his word which was spoken through the prophets. All the prophets. All the prophets had the same message.
Can you actually reconcile your religion with 21st century egalitarianism, or do you just pick and choose which parts of Islam to follow to conform to the modern day? Not trying to be antagonistic, I really want to know.
>>696895804 There are many interpretations of Islam. All of them as long as they are consistent with the Q'ran are valid. There is a 1000 year old philosopher that started a new brand named Nizari Islam. This branch of Islam is now followed by 25 million people. This is the closest strand of Islam to Jainism, it promotes absolute equality of all people, things and non-things. It's way too extreme in it's egalitarian and pacifist views.
There is another sect that is disappearing now named Sufism. My ancestors were Sufi. This sect believes that humans should not own anything. They should concentrate all their energy on being well with themselves and their community. They are martyrs that think they should give their lives to helping all others. They have no homes, no food, no nothing. They work all day to get what they need to live and then they give the rest to people who can't work, the sick, the mentally ill or handicapped, etc.
On the opposite end of the spectrum there is ISIS who is willing to kill senseless amounts. And commit all kinds of atrocities.
My point is that there is many interpretations and they are all valid. Ideologies are just ideas. The interpreter can then shape them as they see fit. As long as they fall within the lines of Islam, they are by definition Islamic. This includes all parts of the spectrum. It is for us now to understand that neither part of the spectrum is mutually exclusively Islamic, they are all Islamic.
>>696896054 Pretty much. This is written. Muslims just think that Christians are a bit misguided.
>>696897462 I don't think so. The whole refugee idea is just making a lot of noise because of the media. There is barely a change in demographics in any of the country. The only country that was severely changed by the refugee crisis is Lebanon, where 25% of the population is now Syrian. In France it's only 0.413% of the population which are refugees. These are small numbers. They will never be able to influence the culture enough to make it seem any different. People just like to over-exaggerate things. The silliest thing is assuming that Sharia will ever possibly exist in the West. This is soooooo ridiculous to even think.
Why do you think anyone wants to have a conversation with you? You act like you speak for Muslims or know anything about Muslims, all you know is some retarded watered down Islam that your faggot parents probably raised you in. You bring up more retarded off shoot Islam branches as if they somehow mean anything about mainstream Islam. You are giving such a poor misrepresentation of this religion that I think even the underageist of underage fags can see through your bullshit.
>>696898244 where do you life?. I live in Germany, you are talking out of your fucking arse. I have neighbors in a small suburban town who are muslim, I have never heard one word of german from them. There children are loud, stay up late and have no respect. And their parents and their friends sometimes bash their heads in at 4am at night. Frequently they catcall women and follow them. I have lived here a long time. And over the years the muslim population increased dramatically. One mosque is even under surveillance by the Verfassungsschutz. Now prisons here are overcrowded and the police force has a dedicated task force just for north africans because they commit so many crimes. In every crime statistic especially violent ones, muslims exceed the known limits.
>>696897746 The anon that responded to you was correct. Israel is hated not because they are Jewish. Morocco used to have a 30% Jewish population, currently the right hand man of the King is Jewish. But he is an Arab Jew.
Israel is hated because it was created illegally and unjustly. They displaced people to build their country. They keep funding wars in the Middle-East and then they act like huge hypocrites about what they are doing.
Muslims and Jews have lived together since the start of Islam, look it up. Palestine before the creation of Islam was inhabited by Muslims, Jews and Christians, but they were all Arab (Semitic in origin). Now Israel is filled with Ashkenazim and Russian Jews, they do not belong in the Middle-East.
Pakistan and Turkey are democratic. Not a very healthy one but it is still a democracy. Moreover, Iran had a very good democracy until it was overturned by the USA to institute the Shah which led to the situation in Iran today.
Some terrorists are Irish, Chinese, American Christian, .... Anyone who commits an act of violence in the name of any ideology is a terrorist.
An ideology is neither violent nor peaceful. It is an idea. For example, Darwin presented a scientific theory for evolution, this is neither violent or peaceful. Yet, it led to social-Darwinism by those who interpreted it violently. This then led to many genocides around the world.
God does not need to be protected, he is as he is. He will be regardless of who believed in him.
Mufti's are respected and listened to, they are simply scholars. Just use the english word if you don't understand the arab word. They are not prophets. They are not God.
>>696898228 I believe Muslims did 9/11. But, I also believe that it was the actions of foreign diplomats in Afghanistan during the Cold War that led Al-Qaeda to be powerful enough to commit this terrorist act.
>>696893536 Why are you different from ISIS/ISIL/IS/whateverthefuck, when you read from the same book?
Am I to trust you because you say 'I ignore those parts'? Ive read the Quran, and its horrific, granted so is the bible. But I can't recall the last time I saw someone other than a Muslim holding a severed head.... I digress.
I'll give you that most Muslims aren't bad people. I'll go even further to say most IS fighters aren't bad people (hence why IS torturers are usually children, no defined moral compass, no 'this is wrong', blah blah blah...
BUT IS follows the book YOU worship as FACT, by the letter. How can I trust any Muslim when their/your book tells them to kill me?
>>696895694 What is a prophet then? What is a god? Of you do not worship a prophet but you worship a god? What is a god to you? A spiritual entity, a force, a something? You can't describe it for it is not a man woman or anything. It does not exist that which you can't describe emotionally or by any means.
>>696893536 I know that great care has been taken to preserve the Quran in its original form (wording). However, it seems to me that the subjective selection and rejection of different Hadith undoes the stability this ought to confer.
Do you think it would be better if there was a global accord across all Muslim groups to choose a final set of "accepted" Hadith?
Or would it be better if all Hadith were fully rejected, with only the Quran itself remaining?
>>696898572 The violent parts in the Q'ran are equally as present in the Bible. Have you read the bible?
Muslims tend to radicalize because of the situations in their countries. Consider this, imagine you are a poor individual with a small family. Struggling to make ends meet, barely able to put food on the table. You don't have any opportunities. One night a bomb hits your home. Your family is now dead, you are alone, angry. You want revenge, but don't know where to look. The next day a few terrorist group members come and promise to give you money and the opportunity to get revenge. You are uneducated, don;t have anything to lose, in your anger you agree. This is how radicalization happens.
Now imagine that 27,000 bombs have fallen on the Middle-East in the past 4 years. Each one has some collateral damage.
>>696899056 I have made it very clear, I speak for myself. I was born in a Muslim country. I have studied religion across the world, I know religion quite well. My parents were not religious.
You assume I am not Islamic because I do not fit into the mold that you see as being Islam. Because, I show you the positive aspects of Islam, which are real and present are irrelevant because they don't fit your mold. You should open your mind to the view points of others and hold judgments before you hear them out.
>>696899531 I live in Canada now. Born and raised in Morocco. So you base the life of every Muslim based on the life of one family. Interesting. Do you also assume that every Muslim does the exact same job as that one family?
You should look up some stats it's not that hard. The prison population of Germany has went down from 70,000 in 2000 to 61,000 in 2015. Therefore, it went down. This means that it is empirically impossible for the jails to be over-crowded unless they were severely over-crowded before.
Please do research before judging people. What good does it do to throw false statements at people?
>An ideology is neither violent nor peaceful. It is an idea. For example, Darwin presented a scientific theory for evolution, this is neither violent or peaceful. Yet, it led to social-Darwinism by those who interpreted it violently. This then led to many genocides around the world.
are you fucking dense?? evolution and survival of the fittest is based on evidence, faith is not. Social darwinism is also not based in evidence. Darwinism states that environmental pressures shape the development of a species. Adapting to their environment. Social Darwinism is based on a idea, that inherent genetic qualities need to be protected. Basically limiting the possible geen pool, exactly the opposite what evolution does.
>>696899611 So, its not an Islamic problem, but an Arab problem?
This makes sense due to the vast amounts of truly peaceful muslims that live happily outside of the middle east, Asia, mainly.
So, by this logic, the Terror threat is not the religion, or idology, it is truly a racist one. By your logic, if the Arabs were Buddhists, they would still be beheading, attempting to conquer, attacking literally everyone else.
It is a race thing after all, masquerading as an ideologue.
>>696899611 >Anyone who commits an act of violence in the name of any ideology is a terrorist. You're overreaching here. You've described warfare in general. Terrorism is the use of apparently random violence against a civilian population for the purpose of discrediting that population's government.
>>696901194 You completely forget, that the overall amount of prisoners decreased. The proportion of muslim and foreign prisoners increased. Just as well as the amount of people per 100.000m^2 increased. In Badenwürtenberg it is estimated to be over 500. The average is 76. These problems are concentrated in immigration centers. Do your research you cunt.
>>696899746 Islam provides a lot of tools to better oneself. It also provides tools for overcoming the hardships of the mind. The main purpose of Islam is to free the mind from the daily struggles, this is the essence of Jihad, which literally translates to struggle.
>>696899965 It's the order of the pictures in my file. That one is the first pic.
>>696900003 Of course, I have also read the books for most other major religions. Including Buddhism, Christianity, Torah, Hinduism, Jainism, Taoism, ...
>>696900040 Masturbating is sin. Mia Khalifa chooses to live her life in the way she does. I do not think it is an ideal way to live life, she does commit a lot of sins which may affect her negatively in the long run.
An ideology is neither violent nor peaceful. It is an idea. For example, Darwin presented a scientific theory for evolution, this is neither violent or peaceful. Yet, it led to social-Darwinism by those who interpreted it violently. This then led to many genocides around the world.
What you interpret from a book is simply based on how your perception is shaped. It is important to consider the uncertainty of your understanding.
Why is ISIS interpretation any more valid than Sufism or Nizari? They're equally valid. Now I get to choose which is more beneficial to my life and the life of those around me. In this respect we can all agree that both ISIS and Sufism is nonsense. Both are too extreme. ISIS is too extremely violent and Sufi/Nizari is too pacifist. Moderate Islam is the way it was during the Golden Age and how it should be.
No one wants to kill you. Most of my friends here in Canada aren't Muslims. We don't care.
>>696901194 I base it upon the general development of the town. And the new problems we face here. They nearly served as a exemplary for the general behavior of muslims in germany. I also experienced these kinds of behaviors in Berlin, Frankfurt, and Cologne, where i also lived
>>696900875 Good question. A prophet is just a man who has been enlightened and speaks truths. As Mohammed said, he did not live his whole life enlightened, he committed sins, many, he even stated that he most likely will not have a place in heaven.
In Islam God has no image, he is not an entity. He simply is as he is. As was told to Moses from the burning bush. God is everything that is, has been and will be. He is also what is not. This is what is written in Q'ran. A classical Jewish philosopher once stated that once you start to define God you have already placed too many constraints on all that God is.
>>696901006 True. This is also written in Q'ran. Most of philosophers struggle with finding words to express their ideas. This is equally true with religious ideologies. Therefore, metaphorical stories are used to transmit these messages.
>>696901105 Jihad translates to struggle. In the Q'ran the greatest struggle is with the inner self. The second with the world.
>>696901148 Hadith is just an explanation of the Q'ran. It changes constantly as interpretations change. Only the Q'ran is eternal. I think it is good to have opposing view points and for their to be active debate based on ethics and philosophy to define hadith. That's how it was during the Golden Age of Islam. This changed and look where we are now.
Whats your opinion on the mass migration of syrian refugees to europe? would you have allowed this even though its caused all these inhumane acts of war? what are your views on sharia law? should this be imposed on western countries?
>>696893536 >I'm a Muslim ask me anything. Sweet. I actually have a number of questions that aren't really appropriate to ask the Muslims I know in real life.
1) Were you born a Muslim, or did you convert? 2) If you were born to it, have you ever had a crisis of faith where you've examined it and wondered if you might be wrong? 3) Why do you think Muslim communities all over the world seem to produce domestic terrorists at such a high rate? 4) Do you think it's okay that Muhammed married a 6 year old and then fucked her when she was 9? 5) If so, do you think that Muhammed lived a perfect life? 6) What do you think about Islamic concepts like taqqiya toward non-Muslims and jizya on Christians and Jews? 7) How do you reconcile the parts of the Koran that are very peaceful and loving with the parts that are extremely war-like and xenophobic? 8) Do you feel insulted or think that it's sinful and punishable when people draw a picture of Muhammed?
Sorry for so many questions, I'm just really interested.
>>696903091 Regarding Hadith, it's been some time since I closely studied Islam, so my memory is a bit foggy. The way Hadith were explained to us is that they represented reports of the prophet's words and actions passed on by tradition.
>>696901306 Most Muslims are just scared of what they can't understand. The same way as Christians in conservative parts of the USA are so opposed to homosexuality. It's silly that we care so much about other peoples business.
>>696901415 I as well as all educated Muslims believe in darwinism. We don't believe in creationism.
You seem to not know the history of social-Darwinism. Very much like survival of the fittest, they claimed that on earth some races were more "fit" than others. Some races were at a higher social ranking than others. This was the justification for slavery, human zoos and genocide. It was all based on the works of Darwin way after Darwin died. This is just an example as to how ideologies can be used for good or bad.
>>696901516 I have studied many religions and philosophies in many different countries. I kind of know what I am talking about. Islam has a lot to offer. I sincerely believe that most religions are all equal in attaining the same goals, they are all synonymous, they simply brush their traditions in different strokes.
>>696901580 How did you interpret that from my response? This is a good example that a peaceful person and a violent person will interpret the same message differently.
Arabs are no more violent than any other population group. I stated very clearly that 30% of Morocco used to be Jewish, Lebanon is hugely Christian even today. There is no problem with Jewish people on Arab land. There is a problem with European Jews taking the land of other people and causing them to become displaced. There is a problem with bombing indiscriminately and causing 1000 civilian deaths.
>>696901583 > “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
I'm not the guy you're replying to, but if "People of the Book" refuse to kneel and pay tax to their Muslim overlords, fighting them is still encouraged.
>>696903091 >metaphorical stories are used to transmit these messages Now we're getting to the motivation of those folks who kill people for violating their idea of sharia.
It seems to me that the proscriptions of many religions against depicting the godhead (graven images) or saying "His" name (Yahweh, or "G-d" as US Jews like to write) were really intended to prevent people with poor critical-thinking skills from reifying such an ineffable concept.
But it's a huge step to go from such a gentle discouragement to the butchery being carried out anytime an infidel dares to besmirch the memory of the godhead's Prophet by drawing a satirical cartoon.
How can one explain to these bloody idiots that the way they practice their religion brings shame upon their Prophet? (And please don't call their motivations 'political', as you have in previous threads.)
>>696904564 holy fuck are you dense. That was not my point. I made it clear that even though you or "they" claim that social darwinism is based on scientific evidence, it is not. Therefor you can't claim it was based on darwins discoveries or that evolution or darwinism is a ideology. Only thing that people did was to use darwin as an excuse to try to justify their actions, without any scientific evidence.
>>696893536 1) What is your income level. 2) How are you happy with your life from 1 to 10 3) shii or sunni? 4) Do you find any modern life features deeply offensive, if so, how strong is the urge to go full Allahu Akbar? 5) Opinion on jihad in general.
>>696902258 Since when are prisoner numbers measured in per 100,000m^2. I think you mean per 100,000 habitants. Moreover, how can this increase if the overall number decreases and the total population increased. Do the math.
>>696902494 Small sample size mate. Maybe you should move to better neighborhoods. The only thing you can change is yourself. Elevate yourself above your current situation if you are unhappy.
>>696902587 I am very well informed on this situation. i have worked on this problem. It's way too deep for this thread. I think it is way too late for israel to be moved. It needs to stay now. They should give a bit more land to Gaza so that they can at least be self-sustaining in terms of food and energy.
>>696902742 Because of economics. The problem is not Islam or secularism. It's the economic syste, of the countries. Most Muslim countries are dictatorships where the leader wants to horde all the resources and money for themselves and their families. This makes the rest of the people poor, they also make sure to keep people down. I was unable to finish my studies due to my last name, I have a peasants last name, so i moved away. There is also more money and opportunity in Western countries because of the free market which encourages growth.
>>696903224 What makes them killers an argument for the validity of their interpretation?
>>696903329 The Q'ran was never translated. And yes people are dying over semantics. But to be more clear, they are dying so that a group of people can keep control over the resources. ISIS would exist regardless of the existence of Islam. They are a criminal organisation, they sell drugs, weapons, people, extortion and do so using guerilla warfare to keep control on their territory.
Use some logic. Do you think that war would not exist if Islam did not exist?
>>696904564 >How is your definition not what war is as well. Terrorism is war. All Shi'ites are Moslem, but not all Moslems are Shi'ite. Similarly, terrorism is a subset of warfare. The Battle of the Light Brigade, for example, could not be construed as terrorism, while the carpet-bombing of Dresden might be and the bombardment of London certainly was.
Whats the difference between an arab jew, and a European Jew?
All this whilst Europe is flooded, literally with arab muslims?
or is it ok when you're on someone elses land, and bad when someone else in on your land?
As for bombing. (To clarify, Im UK) Al Quieda flew a plane into 3,000 people. Here, your 'brothers' blew up a bus. Your 'brothers' shot up a night club. Your 'brothers' beheaded an 84 year old priest. your 'brothers' have murdered thousands. We, as the West are bending over backwards to not 'offend' you. yet, a burqa is welcome in a bank, whilst my balaclava isn't, nor my sword (being Sikh).
Christianity has evil in it. as every religion has. Christianity has gone through reformation. The Vatican (A walled city, whos walls were to keep out the invading muslims) is OK with a number of modern issues, gay marriage, peace for all, etc etc.
Jesus Christ was a carpenter
mohammad was a warlord.
and an austistic warlord at that. Correct me muslim, did the 'profet mo' one day discard all his gold jewelry and decree that no man should wear gold?
>yet Ky Lo Ren is a faggot for slicing up a console when he gets mad.
>>696905824 Why would ISIS, without Islam, have any problems with the west though? I don't see mexican gangs fuck shit op except when it suits their interests, and none of them will just blow themselves up. But ISIS does both: attack targets without any real gain, blow themselves up. Unless you're religious a rational person would think blowing youself up is the dumbest thing you can do.
>>696905824 So; ISIS = Criminals Criminals who are protecting their own territory Who are exploiting resources >you say, drugs, weapons, people, who are they selling to, in the ISIS reach? Sheikhs? Muslim people? I fail to see the market ISIS can reach beyond that
Agreed, I do not see a war without the Arabs. As I said, there are more Muslim people outside of the ME that are literally peaceful. so, you agree, Islam is not the problem, the Arabs & the middle east is?
>>696904036 1. I was born in a non-religious family. I became Muslim during studies in philosophy I did China. 3. Refer to the first reply: >>696901194 4. I think historically it was fine. By todays standards of course not. We live in different times where puberty is no longer the point where girls and boys marry. 5. No, Mohammed said himself that he was imperfect and life and probably will not be going to heaven. You are making the mistake many Christians make. Muslims do not worship the prophet. We worship God. Prophets simply speak the word of God, we have many prophets all equally as important. 6. Taaqiya does not include lying for spreading the religion. Misrepresenting the word of God is always a sin. Moreover, if I misrepresent the word of God and you adhere by it then you are not truly Muslim are you? So what good does that do. Taaqiya is a means to protect Muslims when they are faced with death and imprisonment. For example, if I am imprisoned and the only available food is pork then I am permitted to eat it, God will forgive me. It is sin to kill myself by not eating it through Taqiya. 7. Refer to second reply: >>696897726 8. I do not feel any type of way. The reason we are not to draw any prophet, including Jesus and all others, is to avoid idolatry. We want to remember the message of the prophets, which is word of God and not the prophets themselves, this extends how Muslims don't worship the prophet.
>>696907284 >Well you literally only killed off 10% of Muslims. Education is a good thing. Also missed my country. What makes you better than terrorists with posts like this. Because we have a sense of humor and do not actually blow people up like islam. So 10% of islam causes the most amount of problems. kek
>>696904064 It's accurate. It's a huge collection of texts from many generations and eras. They describe the life of Mohammed, and ancient traditions from many different cultures. They also interpret all the passages in many different ways and view points. There is sooooo much to read it's endless. usually people just read "Hadith" which is the most widely accepted compilation of understanding the Q'ran.
>>696904857 Firstly consider this. In Paris when Charlie Hebdo drew the prophet 225,000 Muslims who live in Paris did nothing, 2 people did. What happened here, is that most people saw it got insulted then moved on. These are normal people with rational reactions to insults. However, two people who are not wrapped so tight decided that they would go crazy. These are people who are ill. Now why do we stretch the reaction of these 2 individuals to the 225,000 other Muslims in Paris.
If you are in a classroom with a bunch of normal people and one that gets his ass kicked all night by his dad at home. If you rip every single person's homework. 20% will do nothing, 60% will yell, 20% will get physical and maybe 0.1% will do something absolutely extreme like try to kill you.
The same is true in a larger scales. For example with the depictions of the prophet. 20% did not even care, like me, 60% cared but looked passed it, 20% were very pissed, and 0.00089% decided to go shoot up the magazine office.
It's inexcusable and sick. But that's the world we live in, not everyone is wrapped the same. We can however help these people react in these ways, but it's very hard to catch every single individual out there.
To be clear, their actions were based on their interpretation of the religion. But, it is a mental health issue. There is no healthy justification for killing 10 people based on a picture. No matter how offensive.
I however, could not care less. a picture of my prophets will not taint their message in the least. But, I do not represent everyone.
>>696905824 no it was wrongly formulated. it is based on 100,00m^2 of land. not inhabitants. i already told you. They are very high in immigration centers. So more crime is committed there. total numbers decreased. This means immigrants commit more crime in the centers, everyone else did less. very simple math, you condescending cunt
So the biggest city, germanys financial center, and the city with the most muslims is a small sample size, just for one person. Just as well with the new statistics coming out and germany trying to cope with the situation is also completely related to a small sample size.
It does not matter, if they are right, because people act on them and try to kill me.
>>696908743 Not op, but mostly because the Christians killed every muslim man, woman and child when they took over a city (Jerusalem) because they considered them pagans, while muslim often didn't because they considered them people of the book.
>>696893536 why are your people so violent? particularly to each other. why do you go to a new country as a refugee then get mad its not like the shithole you left? why is not okay to eat pork but fine to beat and sodomize children? How can you preach peace and then death in the same breath from a moral stand point? why do you believe Muhammad was a prophet when for all intent purposes he seems like a pedophile sociopath if he exsisted at all and wasn't just a made up concept of ideals by those that wanted to control your people and the growth of you culture and society? what proof can you give that your God exsists? or am I expected to take it on faith like every other religion? why would you worship a God that ignore the anguish of your people while "infidels" control the most fertile and abundant parts of the world, a God that alows your children to be blown apart while we sit comftorably? why are your people so fucking backwards?
>>696908743 That's how the victors wrote the history. The original [pre-Bush] Crusades were something entirely different -- and horrible along the lines of what we are seeing today.
The Crusades started because the Norman French nobility had run out of land to pass on to their heirs, so they sent their younger sons out for conquest. The Moorish invasion was only a pretext. Crusaders put fellow Catholics to the sword as often as not. In fact, they exterminated the Troubadours of southern France.
Steven Runciman's three-volume work, A History of the Crusades, is well worth the effort it takes to read. Cambridge University Press, 1951; subsequent editions exist.
>>696904995 None by heart. I do not care much for memorizing surrahs. I prefer to analyze them multiple times with different perspectives.
>>696905319 I try to answer, sometimes it's too hateful and I have to just skip over the comment. For example this person is going to have to stop posting soon: >>696905498
>>696905685 1. Upper middle class 2. 8 3. Sunni 4. 0% lol, I am peaceful, I don't take much offense I love laughing at myself, it's the best way to learn. 5. Refer to: >>696902419 I think that the struggle between one and his inner self is very important. We need to fight back the hatred and violence that our animal past has kept in our being.
>>696906348 I want there to be no war. I want all people to live peacefully among each other. Arab Jews are called Sephardi, European Jews are called Ashkenazim. They are ethnically different. The same way as Indonesian Muslims are different from North African Muslims.
The difference is the impact of the Zionist (European) Jewish movement onto the Middle-East and the Arab movement onto European land. Israel displaced all the people that initially lived on that land. They took all the better parts of the region, those that are good for agriculture and left the scrubs for what is now Palestine. This has never happened from Muslims in Europe and will never happen. This is also not the purpose of the Muslims immigrating, however this was entirely the purpose of Israel.
People who commit evil are not my brothers. You call them my brothers based on a subset you have created purposely to place me in the same group as them. Another group can also be made to group you into a subset with the terrorists and leave me out. I do not believe this, but consider if I said people with brown skin are more inclined to terrorism, you and your brothers did 9/11 and all major terrorist attacks. You as an Indian are closer ethnically with Afghanistan and Pakistan than me as a Moroccan. Do you see how silly it is to put random subgroups and make sets to suit your purpose.
>>696910183 sure and it isnt your butt hurt ancestors pulling a >we a peaceful people. dindu muffin fuck off fag. sure the crusaders did some dark shit. but they were done with your ancestors bull crap
>>696910297 so now its the hate speech card. Really. I got annoyed because you throw things together like its nothing and then claim, that your right. And if someone does not tolerate your crap, you say its hateful. Never mind that you indirectly justified social darwinism because it was based on a scientific theory. and you call me hateful
>>696910297 M8 you don't know much about Islam. Apostate were killed because in the early days of Islam leaving the religion pretty much ment you were a traitor and taking up arms again't islam. No one left the religion and there tribe just because they wanted to be athiest. Even if you didn't believe you would still consider yourself a Muslim.
If Jihadis are 'Gods Soldiers', why do they attack the weak? Flying jets int office blocks, blowing up buses, yet you say drone strikes are 'inhumane, inaccurate'.
If you indeed had 'God on your side', surely you wouldn't need to hide behind the 'innocent civilian' guise, surely you could stroll across fire lines, trot up to the entire US/UK army and *poof* magic them away. Because your God is the right god, right?
Your fighters are cowards, emphasizing the handful of captures they get, in elaborate executions, while we bomb entire towns 'by accident'... Fuck, a MSF camp was bombed 'by mistake'. Because we want charities fixing up your brood for free.
Yeah, Im scared of Islam. Whilst left wing faggots pander to your 'right' to practice, every nation on earth with armaments worth noting are eyeing up the opportunities of;
>a barren wasteland, semi oil rich, previously known as Middle East. Pop 0 >High development prospects
>>696908685 >225,000 Muslims who live in Paris did nothing, 2 people did Not all stochastic curves are created equal. Of a quarter-million Molokans or Amish, not one would likely even spit on a blasphemer let alone run amok as so many followers of the Religion of Peace have been doing.
Admittedly, the suicide bombers and the berserkers have economic and even political pressures informing their beliefs and actions. But one of the most fundamental purposes of any religion is to enable the practitioner to overcome evil influences. What we have been seeing -- not just in Paris, but wherever a Moslem goes nuts -- is that the wisdom of Mohammed and the peace of Allah have failed them utterly.
It is that essential failure that we need to address. Islam must live up to its promise if we hope to avoid escalating the hatred that right-wing Christians are so good at contributing to.
Refer to: >>696903091 In Islam God has no image, he is not an entity. He simply is as he is. As was told to Moses from the burning bush. God is everything that is, has been and will be. He is also what is not. This is what is written in Q'ran. A classical Jewish philosopher once stated that once you start to define God you have already placed too many constraints on all that God is.
God is not a matter of evidence or counter evidence. It is everything that is and everything that is not.
>>696908082 Well you missed the countries where the biggest terrorist groups are: Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, and Boko haram. You also missed half of ISIS. Good job, you literally bombed mostly USA allies and very rich people.
>>696908295 I don't understand your statement. Your english does not make sense.
>>696908635 I am Sunni, with Nizari tendencies and many other interpretations. If they are happy living as atheists and it brings positivity to their lives and those around them then they are free to do whatever gives them power in life.
>>696910524 OK, YOU may as to my knowledge, not be a terrorist. As I said, You, nor 95% of the muslim population are most likely not terrorist, and do not have terrorist ideologies.
Address this point please, I've been dying to just ask a muslim this, and get an honest answer...
You, and ISIS read from the same book. I understand that different translations can word things differently. The fact remains that there are people in the world touting this book to be the ultimate truth, and in this book I, and all that I believe in, needs to die.
I will not ever be a muslim. I will respect your right to practice whatever religion you choose. The religion I left said some pretty horrific things, your book says some pretty horrific things. But, of all the most recent mass killings, are all in Allahs name.
>An 84 year old priest?! come on
I digress. If I was an avid reader of Mein Kampf, youd assume me a Nazi. YOu are an avid reader of a book that decries everything I love. And you ask me not to be fearful?
>>696893536 what would it take for a muslim woman to willing get given the sausage (muh dick) before marriage. pretty qt muslim girl in class but im pretty sure shes heavily religious help me out op. Usually i would just get them drunk but... muslim so..
>>696911908 Oh, well, I'm convinced. religion of peace it is.
>Yeah, those guys that killed all those innocent peepz, not jihadi >but they're islamic, and pledged allegiance ot the ISIS head fgt? >yeah, nah, not real jihadi >so they're..? >terrorists >right.... and you're... >jihadis >right......
>I'm going to call you all 'faggots scared of people who can fight back', >'K'? >'k'
>>696912798 2 reasons, 1, Groups like isis consider you an enemy of Islam because you live in a country which attacks Muslims injustly (in there eyes) and you don't fight back against your country or move which makes you guilty by association. 2, islam was spread by two ways, one by word of mouth, and one by the Islamic conquest. Many muslims believe that after the first 3 rightly califs and the wars fought by them them that that period is considered ovet and its back to word of mouth, others do not. Thats the interpretation difference.
In Islam God has no image, he is not an entity. He simply is as he is. As was told to Moses from the burning bush. God is everything that is, has been and will be. He is also what is not. This is what is written in Q'ran. A classical Jewish philosopher once stated that once you start to define God you have already placed too many constraints on all that God is. God is not just one description, he is much more.
Every religion is right they are all synonymous.
>>696909753 too much here, break it down and I'll answer.
>>696910543 Mecca is as Holy for Jews and Christians as Muslims. It is the place of the first temple of Abraham.
>>696910645 Lol I know my prayer, I know some random parts of random surrahs. But if you give me a surrah number I cannot recite it like many of my friends can.
>>696910820 Let's actually look into this. Darwinism states that species which are more adept will thrive over others who are at a disadvantage. Now, social-darwinists claimed that Europe was more advanced because they were more adept. Therefore they used the fact that they were superior as a means to justify the evils they perpetuated on others.
>>696910875 Thanks for judging me. The guy asked my opinion, not the historical reaction to apostasy. Stay on point my friend.
>>696914370 yeah that the issue with any other girl easy, take her out with my friends and hers, get her drunk, single her out and easy sex. Tried the normal way once and im still cringing from that failure. Not feeling like greentext today but ill shorten it for you >all the spaghetti's from my pockets.
>>696914275 No, the Nazis tried desperately to link their supremacy to genetics. To an inherently better race of humans, with no connection with "adapting to the" european environment. The idea of an ultimate "race" is outdated and unscientific.
The river of violence that has flowed under the peace of Islam since its inception, and which allowed it to conquer so much territory so quickly, seems to be too difficult a question to handle in a simple /b/ AMA.
So how about an easier question.
Is the Q'ran considered a book? If so, why would the infidel monotheists be referred to as Ahl-al-Kitab?
>>696914035 So... Guilty by association, thus death.. or Be muslim because I've been told to be...
And this is peaceful to you? wtf is violent to you?
ISIS want me dead because I'm kuffar (is that right, non-believer?). They want me dead, because its in their book, your book. 'strike off their heads' etc.
Fuck Islam. I've read the Qu'ran cover to cover, its awful. Granted the bible ain't much better. but Jesus wasn't a warlord, so...
The Qu'ran explicitly states that its A-OK to lie to further the reach of Islam... [spoiler][/spoiler]o every single 'religion of peace' tweet can be instantly dismissed as islamic propaganda, no?
And what about the word Islam itself, what does that mean? is is 'Submission'? because I think its submission. Submission to an ancient text that encourages killing people for: being gay being any other religion not spreading the word of the faget being a woman cheating not cheating being on muslim land not being on muslim land
the list is endless.
fuck you, fuck pedo mohammed (most pedos are chill, but not your guy), fuck islam.
I welcome the next, say, five attacks. because sooner or later, you fucking idiots are going to push too hard, you'll wake up the bear, and Europe will have a new parking lot. Slightly irradiated, sure. But no mudslime? I'll take it.
Fresh off the boat from reddit, kid? heh I remember when I was just like you. Braindead. Lemme give you a tip so you can make it in this cyber sanctuary: never make jokes like that. You've got no reputation here, you've got no name, you've got jackshit here. It's survival of the fittest and you ain't gonna survive long on 4chan by saying stupid jokes that your little hugbox cuntsucking reddit friends would upboat. None of that here. You don't upboat. You don't downboat. This ain't reddit, kid. This is 4chan. We have REAL intellectual discussion, something I don't think you're all that familiar with. You don't like it, you can hit the bricks on over to imgur, you daily show watching son of a bitch. I hope you don't tho. I hope you stay here and learn our ways. Things are different here, unlike any other place that the light of internet pop culture reaches. You can be anything here. Me ? heh, I'm a judge.. this place.... this place has a lot to offer... heh you'll see, kid . . . that is if you can handle it.
>>696913019 It's hard to speak it. Very hard, the rules are not very well defined. The writting system is very interesting. The best way is to go to the region because there aren't many resources online.
>>696913208 Just treat her like a woman and she will want to have sex with you. Muslims are humans, humans have sex. They might pretend they don't want it at first but they do.
>>696913590 Most of my friends here in canada are christians. They are cool.
>>696913605 Not much. A few magabytes. Nothing, my family is not very religious. I am way more religious than they are. I am also old enough to do as i please.
>>696913636 I couldn't understand him so I just carried onto the next poster.
>>696913834 Islam is not peaceful nor violent. Please just read the thread.
>>696914178 Read the thread I have answered all these questions.
>>696916171 >Why do you then make the actions of those two representative of the 225,000 people. No, the actions of those two do not represent those of 225,000 others. Their actions represent the failure of Islam to perform its essential function. Other religions are more effective in controlling the excesses of their adherents.
>>696901194 official statistics in germany actually show that the crime rate has increased by quite a bit. prisoner counts do not matter because refugees literally get a slap on the wrist and are free to go.
Are you, as a muslim, a retard, or brainwashed? because you're one of the two.
>not peaceful, that'll be violent then >not violent, that'll be peaceful then
Given, your I assume 'peaceful muslim' angle, the fact you cannot say outright that islam is peaceful, EVEN WHEN islam permits lying to further the cause of islam, you see islam as a violent entity, perpetuated by the already violent middle east.
>>696893536 Recently i discovered that the Turks and the Arabs although have the same religion are from difrentes races and not get along well, what do you think about the Turks? What are the main differences between Arabs and Turks?
>>696916171 Are you insane? Council estate Londoners are constantly being ousted from their homes (London) to live in other cities, mainly Birmingham. To make way for the influx of Muslims who have a requirement to 'be near family'.
And no, its not 'another country' funding it. Its this fucking country. This fucking United Kingdom moving Londoners out of London to make way for your brain dead muslim uncle & his 841 kids. But no, Jews moving into where jews live, THE FUCKING AUDACITY.
OH YEAH?! WELL AT LEAST I DON'T SPEND MY TIME SUCKING DICKS IN THE BATHROOM AT OLIVE GARDEN, YOU DIRTY ROTTEN LOWDOWN SLIMY FILTHY DISGUSTING GLUTTONOUS HOGLIKE MOTHER FUCKING COCK SUCKING SON OF AN INCESTUOUS PEDOPHILE SHEMALE RAPIST PROSTITUTE. GET YOUR MOM'S DICK OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO? I'M GONNA SHIT UP YOUR ASS. STOP FOR A MOMENT AND REALLY GRASP THAT STATEMENT. I AM LITERALLY GOING TO SHIT UP YOUR ASS. I WILL TAKE MY PANTS OFF, RIP YOUR PANTS OFF, OUR SPHINCTERS WILL TOUCH, AND I WILL SHIT. YOU WILL TRY TO COUNTERSHIT, BUT MY SPHINCTER WILL OVERCOME, AND I WILL PUSH A LOG OF SHIT FROM MY ASS UP AND INTO YOUR BODY. THIS IS WHAT SHALL OCCUR. YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE? I WILL PISS IN A POT. I WILL ADD CORNSTARCH TO THE PISS AND BOIL IT UNTIL IT GETS REALLY THICK, LIKE SAUCE. I WILL POUR THE THICKENED PISS INTO A PLASTIC CONTAINER AND PUT IT IN THE FRIDGE UNTIL IT HARDENS INTO A FIRM JELLO. I WILL THEN CUT IT INTO RECTANGLES, BATTER IT IN A MIX OF MILK, FLOUR, AND EGGS, AND DEEP FRY IT AT 375 UNTIL GOLDEN BROWN, FLIPPING ONCE SINCE THEY FLOAT. AND I WILL SERVE YOU MY DEEP FRIED PISS.
>>696917670 Not op but jizya has multiple uses. Its used to encourage future generations of Christians and Jews to convert to Islam. What you have to understand is the main goal of Islam is to convert people and encourage people to be muslim for they don't burn In hell and to also strengthen the muslim community. The second reason Is that Christians and Jews wouldn't be expected or wanted to fight and defend the city with the muslim army, so it's also a protection tax.
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