CHRISTIANS ARE RETARDED. PLEASE GIVE ME PROOF GOD EXISTS.... OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T
That doesn't mean shit
If you say me not being able to prove him is disprove of god, then I can say you not being able to disprove him is prove of god.
Inexistence of proof doesn't equal prove.
If you make an extraordinary claim, the burden of proof is on you. I believe that the universe was created by a flying spaghetti monster. Prove me wrong, you cant, so therefore i am right.
yeah its most likely that
because how is dna shaped like a spaghetti? checkmate everyone
but really the big bang is more believable than some floating guy in the sky who can just be like "LET THERE BE LIGHTNING! PEW". also christianity was for people who feared death back in the day
what is more believable a mystical being created humans in what like 6 days or some shit that has no proof backing it up or that humans evolved from millions of years of evolution and thaat has actual proof
Im an atheist and people like you are plain stupid. You are looking to argue with people about "someone" "something" thats doesn't exist instead of looking for good threads.
A thing existing outside of time and space is probably more believable to have created the universe rather than a lot of nothing getting together and deciding to spontaneously will itself into existence.
Does this mean the Christian God is the right concept of God? Not at all, but the other scenario takes, somehow, more faith to believe in.
Does either interfere with evolutionary concepts?
Not really, whose to say the governing rules of evolution weren't put in place by something we would consider godlike?
Augustine of Hippo stated that every movement must have had an initial cause or 'push'. Therefore if one traces back every movement in the universe one must logically come to an 'unmoved mover' and the only thing that fits this criteria is God.
Moreover, St Anselm postulated that God, a being 'that of which nothing greater can be conceived' can be conceived in our minds, and since a being in reality is greater than a hypothetical being, he must exist - or else he isn't that of which nothing greater can be conceived.
You're asking humans for proof of God.
That's like asking a plumber about his thoughts on quantum physics.
Why don't you try praying to God himself, instead?
Bless you, anon.
You cant prove hes real and you cant prove hes not real either. Its all a matter of faith.
Stop wasting your mental capacity on something we never knew or may not ever know the answer to.
Seek happiness, try to make friends, help people in situations youd like help in and chase your dreams
You can't prove God exists or does not exist. Why does every one act like they know you don't know.
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This is exactly why the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster was created. You idiots have exactly as much proof as they do, so they should get all the same rights, privileges and tax exemptions that you do
Nobody claims the universe came from nothing, you uneducated faggot. It's impossible to know what came before the Big Band because the laws of nature as we understand them originated at that moment. Please take a high school science class.
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Literally everyone who believes in faith are idiots and need it to feel secure because their mommies thought the same.
We have proof there was evolution, and lots of it. The only proof of God is the evolution of Narwhals, but it still doesn't make sense why God would do such a thing.
you can't get proof of something that isn't there
But to believe in such a thing without evidence is ridiculous. I'm an atheist and I don't know how the universe came into existence. Do I want to know? Yeah. But I'm not going to make up stories and act like just because something is possible it's also probable. That's irresponsible and illogical.
Because philosophising about the origin of the universe and life is interesting. If you don't find it interesting then do something else.
>implying that we can definitively answer any question 100% accurately anyway
Extra-dimensional wizard speaks things into existence and monitors your thoughts. If you don't believe him or worship other wizards he will hurt you forever in his basement because he loves you. Also, somebody had to of knocked up that Hebrew chick, Mary.
Think about it like this, everyone. Obviously religion was made up because there are so many. Science is a universal tool to figure shit out. Religion is the only reason there is any debate. Why does this prove it is incorrect? Because there is no way all of them can be true at once.
>Also, somebody had to of knocked up that Hebrew chick, Mary.
retarded, actually retarded. Not only is it incorrect but anyone who believes this haven't gone through a year of high school. Also, Bill Nye is a legend, there is no way you can disprove anything he has said.
This is the most idiotic argument ever. We cannot prove god exists because there is no solid proof that can be presented. Theists make the positive claim he exists, which gives them the burden of proof. Instead of giving proof however, they tell atheists to prove to them God does not exist. This isn't how arguments are supposed to work. The side that makes the positive claim (i.e. "this is the way it is") needs to have sufficient evidence to support their claim. Theists often use Faith as their reasoning, but since faith is not based in reason, and it is something you just will yourself to have, it doesn't fall under the category of Empirical evidence. Don't ask me to prove to you he does not exist, unless you can prove to me unicorns and mermaids do not exist.
>tl;dr faith is unreasonable, burden of proof lies with theists.
footprints at the bottom of the red sea and the fact that there is no identifiable chemical on the "Virgin de Guadalupe" painting,
Also the fact that her eyeballs contain the whole room that originally saw the work of art
Christ on a cracker. We have a winner! Ding ding ding! Religious nut fuck detected. Mind blown to hell. Man down, aisle nine. Can we get a medic on aisle nine! He's bleedin' stupid all over the floor.
I don't know what that is but I believe in reality
Saying that you want proof won't get you anywhere can u give us Christians any proof whatsoever that he doesn't exist and if he doesn't then what's the point of life. Whats the entire point of existence if god doesn't exist then we are meaningless we as a human race will mean nothing to the universe so u can not believe but u will have a sad life without him our lord Jesus Christ
I'm a bio major and a Christian. I studied evolution and the more I studied that the more the bible could be put into perspective. God does exist.
I'll do a small example here because there is many.
Let there be light = big bang theory
God created Earth and on the Six day created man = what is one day to God? Probably billions of years.
God created man from the dust of the Earth and we return to the Earth as dust = evolution.
Guys if you do research the Bible and look at biology, a lot correlate.
God is real, the Bible, Biology and History prove it.
P.s. I'm using proof not on a spiritual level.
We theists have, on multiple occasions, lined out how to establish a direct connection with God (Jesus). It's actually very simple, if you're willing to try. Here's how:
>Pray often. Pray honestly. Pray fervently.
The Bible says that the Kingdom of God "...is like a sapling that grows into a tree which birds can make their in." (paraphrased)
If you don't even plant the sapling, then of course God won't want anything to do with you.
So because some carpenter born from a cheating wife took acid you should not have sex before an old man says you can ?
CHRISTIANS = CUCKED BY A GUY DEAD 2000 YEARS AGO
It this how proud you are ?
God is not ignorant, and The Bible isn't Harry Potter.
You have no interest in seeking the truth, you just want to fling shit at Christians. Are you gay?
The Roman Catholic church literally built western civilization, you incorrigible fool.
Pic is most definitely related.
What I find difficult to comprehend is how at some point there was nothing and then suddenly reality comes to exist. Or is there no such thing as nothing? How would one even define nothing?
If something doesn't exist, you can't provide proof of it existing.
If you had proof, then it would exist.
If there's no proof to be found, but you claim it does exist, then it's up to you to prove it.
Not taking sides here, just saying.
I know you're trolling just to get replies and boom, here's one, but I am sick of seeing this bullshit, and people legitimately thinking it's a way to shut atheists up.
>I know you're trolling just to get replies and boom, here's one, but I am sick of seeing this bullshit, and people legitimately thinking it's a way to shut atheists up.
>you can't provide proof
I saw a real ghost in a circumstance that makes any scientific explanation impossible.
So I at least know the afterlife is real.
And if the afterlife is real i think its safe to say god is real
Because it's a less extraordinary claim to say that god came from nothing then made everything?
>inb4 was always there
If so, why can't the singularity that formed the big bang have always been there?
Why do you care what people believe in. I'm a Christian I believe in God and believing in God is all about faith. If you have no faith that there is a supernatural being out there good for fucking you.. shut your over privledged ass up no need to knock no one down over here you could worship beyonces ass crack idgaf do you.
Its common sense your a sentient being the only species on a life supporting rock surrounded by a lifeless deset that spans light years and light years and light years and for all we know is life less to no end
>Why are there mass graves and executions?
>All part of God's plan.
Please give me proof god doesnt exist... oh wait, u cant
It's not part of gods plan. There is no god. It's part of whatever leader in is power plan.
If only the reverse worked. Though the large portion of both atheists and theists don't go out of there way to 'convert' others to their belief system, more people than their should try this.
While the Atheists that are basically evangelicals at this point are annoying as shit, they preach to use logic and science, over believing whatever mythology is popular in that area or to that person. Only makes them marginally better though.
Found bacteria on mars, so there's life on another planet in our system. There could very well be not a single other sentient species in the whole universe, but there is life in some form.
You know christianity isnt a religion that product is scriptually retareded here is Christianity in a nutshell jesus died and rose again for your sins all of them are gone future past and present saved or unsaved the only sin being held aganist you is unbelief believe on what Jesus has done for you and be saved nothing else it is a free gift so do you see how retared that picture is
We can't prove god exists but we can't prove god doesn't exists.
Since the science improved, we constantly see wrong facts in the Bible.
For me, it was just a book made to make the humankind peaceful but in fact it became another reason to fight each other.
At the same time, I understand how it happens. It's like this thread. No matter how many time you try to explain something using a logical approach, the person could very well refuse to believe it, or even worse, barricade themselves in their believe because they don't want to deal with dissenting opinions.
"Idea" being an amalgamation or unity of what is "more than just an idea".
>But that's not the focus of the debate
Especially when other "ideas" exude and funnel into "the debate" which are out of focus of the myopia-stricken troglodytes with a one-dimensional view of "existence".
It's possible it was contamination, however the bacteria found was dissimilar to any known bacteria on earth, and afaik, was studied directly by a rover while on the planet. But my point is that life in some form has already been found off our planet. Considering the number of other stars, and that recent research has found a number of planets in neighbouring star systems that are within their star's habitable zone and appear to contain liquid water, when using radio telescopy.
It is possible that no other sentient species has ever or will ever arise, but the chance of that is almost zero. Not quite, but almost.
You're not adding any substance to the argument. You're essentially just saying, "Things can exist in more ways than what people perceive as existence. Therefore, even though generally considered methods of proving something exists, using the 'official' definition of existence, may disprove my claim, once I redefine my claim, I can be right again."
-The continents are like a "T": Europa, Africa and Asia. If god made the Earth, why didn't he told the writer of the Bible to talk about the fact that The America exists ?
-Babbel tower and the origin of the differents languages.
I wanted to continue but thank you man !
People can't fly to the sky.
People can't ressurect.
People can't multiply bread.
People can't make wine out of water with nothing else than water.
People can NOT walk on water
Do you want me to continue ?
You are saying something, but as far as the argument goes, it has no value. What you have stated insofar is nothing more than a fallacy. Once the claim you champion has been shown to somehow be faulty, you redefined one of the words in the claim to make yourself appear correct once more. Furthermore, you're pushing something that is not observable by someone bound by the laws of physics, reality, existence that makes up our universe and allows a sentient being like us to exist how we exist.
It's like saying all saws are made of iron. Someone proves otherwise. You then say by iron, you meant any type of metal or metalloid.
Why is the gift of free will a condemnation and why is it weird that God had to set up a way for us to be forgiven in his eyes if he was an idea and he wasnt congruent how could he be seen as truthfull
There's other religions that believe in the same god which are more threatening right now than Christianity. Get your priorities straight.
look, you'll just need to provide another 533 examples based on fact and then I'll still not believe it as I don't have the capacity to think for myself and am pretty sure what my Sunday school teacher taught me about this 2000+ year old book must be correct, even though 100's of other versions of the bible (which also should have been correct) were said to be heresy
must have been different version of my Sunday school which taught that.
Must have been version 98987832743287482.31241124914
Not sure why so many versions of the bible were thrown out???? baffles me
I know they did try and get a date of the return of Christ correct, went from 50 years to 2000 years
Guessing they thought in 2000 no one would be stupid enough to still believe in this shit
Joshua 10:12-13: On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
1 Chronicles 16:30: Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psalm 19:6: It [the sun] rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat.
Psalm 93:1: The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved.
Psalm 96:10: Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
Psalm 104:5: (Bless the LORD . . .) Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Ecclesiastes 1:5: The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
where does the turd go when you flush the toilet? you think thats coincidence?
your move, atheists :^)
So essentially, your proof that the claims of the bible are scientific is that anything that isn't reproducible by others is a power of god, the only proof of which for these powers is the bible. Circular logic.
shitting on religion is "being an asshole". So is crusading across eastern countries simply for land in the name of god. ooooo your friendly neighbour ku klux clan is always a classic. And lets not forget the salme witch trials, they where tooootally justified, loved those.
God: Okay, Humans, I gave you free will, curiosity, and creativity so that you will only be satisfied by using those and disregarding my rules, which are only limits on the gifts I gave you, rather than directly limiting those gives. But if you break any of my rules, you won't get to come to heaven with me, just nothing after death.
Adam & Eve: Okay. *breaks rules*
God: Okay, you break my rules and gained knowledge. Go away.
Jesus: I'm god, but I'm going to go kill myself because I regret punishing you guys for a gift I gave you. Instead, so long as you worship me, I'll let you go to heaven. But now, because I love you, you'll go to hell and suffer eternally if you don't worship me.
give me proof that he does't exist. People used to believe we were the center of the universe. oh how they were wrong. you may argue that thats because they explored and found out the truth. Maybe we just havent explored enough. Maybe he isnt physical and its a spiritual realm we dont understand yet.