>>696865469 yes, but i dont really see the point for automatic rifles other then sport/entertainment, so id be fine if they were not allowed to be carried in public or be shot outside designated shooting ranges.
Not so the people who wanna mass kill 'wont be allowed to wear em and listen to those rules' but to lessen their availability and allow cops to know instantly who they need to shoot on sight without asking questions when responding to a shooting.
>protip, its not niggers for once, im implying they shoot people wearing automatic rifles in a gunfight.
>>696867984 yea, and an ar-15 is not an automatic. An m16 is, which is the rifle that the ar-15 is modeled after. Some people elect to purchase a drop in auto sear for their ar's which would allow automatic fire but if you can spot that pin from a distance while under stress then more power to you.
>>696867584 An m1 is capable of a very high rate of fire in the hands of a person who knows how to use it. It should be very heavily regulated and should only be made available with 3 round clips. The colour of the gun makes no difference, what its capable of doing is the important thing. >>696867859 This should be completely prohibited, this gun has one purpose only. Killing or wounding as many people as possible. No civilian needs this for any reason. Period.
>>696867859 Thats an AKM, completely legal as long as only 9 parts are imported, rest has be to be made in the USA. I respect background checks because niggers shouldnt own. But the stupid fucking rules like the akm is just... they make no sense
>>696868027 They are illegal to own in every single state unless you have a very specific permit that you can really only get as a high ranking military officer. Fully auto is a federal crime if youre caught and you dont have the permit to
However in order to obtain one, the owner should obtain a licence through a fee and pass a test in both practicle in the form of target shooting and handling, and written theoretical assessment through the knowledge of the local laws, handling, storage and safety protocols.
The owner should then require insurance of the firearms, and themselves in order to cover any monetary damage/provide financial recompence to persons they kill and/or injure.
The individual should then be summoned for a mandatory reassessment of their skills every 3-5 years in order to ensure the safety of both themselves and others.
>>696867984 Basically any modern assault rifle or battle rife that is capable of either semi or full/burst firing mode has a switch to change between them. Converting a semi auto weapon to a full auto one is a whole other can of worms
A $200 tax stamp, fingerprints, signature of authorization from local law enforcement, a mental heath form (in some states) and a meager $15+ grand wasting away in your pocketbook might get you a very used and abused automatic/select fire weapon. There's a limited supply because a 1986 law prevents new ones being made.
>>696868759 Again you are missing the forest for the trees here. ANY gun in the hands of a skilled shooter can be used to kill en mass. But by limiting the capabilities of those guns, such as firing modes and capacity limits what can be done by a deranged shooter. A saiga with a large capacity will do a lot of damage. A saiga that can only hold 2 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber is less so, having to reload after every 3 shots limits what somebody who wants to go on a shooting spree can do and gives police a chance to close in and kill the fool. Any hunter who claims to need more that 3 shots in a shotgun needs to work on their aim some more
>>696869043 I never meant to imply that you couldn't actually physically do it, just that you can not do it legally.
Plus if I am not mistaken the method you are referring to would result in automatic fire but it would not be an actual auto. It would simply allow the hammer to ride the bolt which is a very dangerous situation that could lead to out of battery detonations.
>>696868335 Automatic seer doesn't fit without extensive modification, which you'd need to pretty much be a gunsmith to achieve. This is done on purpose. Among other things, most commercially available AR15 models have a high shelf lower which prevents the installation of the full auto/burst trigger group.
>>696869454 Wtf are you talking about. Pistols are the cause for most Murders by firearms. Theyre easier to conceal and theres a mass amount more of them. Doesnt sound like you know what youre talking about
>>696869016 Why shouldn't they? Provide one example other than some sort of bullshit bias that you have towards that which you wont/can't understand.
If pot is becoming legal across the nation slowly, due to mentality changing towards it, then why, do lawful gun owners get viewed as hicks that don't trust the government, and are basically murderers?
I faIl to understand why faggots refuse to accept that it isn't the gun. It's hate. Violence does not come from an inanimate object. It comes from the heart. How fucking hard of a concept is this for cucks to understand?
>>696868498 Yup. This is true. You used to be able to bypass some of it by creating a trust, but the new law changes this process slightly, requiring all people including trusts to go through essentially the same process but removing the Leo approval which was a defacto ban without legislation.
People think they know how but what they know how to do is file down pieces of the disconnector that catches the hammer after firing, this will cause automatic fire but without utilizing the proper parts and hammer/sear/disconnector geometry you will have out of battery detonation, mag dumps from uncontrolable fire and then likely blow your gun apart and your face.
>>696869561 no, it is called a drop in auto sear for a reason. look it up. It is specifically designed to...get this...drop in and work. it is a small piece of metal. It is a registered piece and they cost about, hmmm, I think the last time I checked they were going for about 80k
You are likely just thinking about dropping in the FCG and BCG from an M16 which, you are correct, you can not just do. But a DIAS is something different.
>>696869807 Not over night, make it illegal to posesse them and their availablity will decrease over time. Make a buy back program where people who own such high capacity magazines can turn them in, prohibit importation of weapons/magazines and this would aid in the process but again it will not happen over night
>>696869960 We're talking about laws. >should guns be legal? Don't forget murder is illegal. If people illegally modify legal weapons and use them to kill people, does that means we may as well scrap laws against murder?
>>696870266 Then reload you fucking tit head. An animail with 2 rounds in it is going to leave a blood trail, follow the trail and finish it off. I've watched my father and he friends kill one tonne moose at range with one round from a 30.06 bolt action rifle. They knew how to shoot, something you clearly nees to work on
70k released felons from nations lockups,dems want 2,000,000 more syrian refugees,,nice people among them,which are nice,which are buzzards,govermint declines to consider the differences important,obama has done more for small arms sales than krupp industries salesmen.
>>696870617 I agree completely. I think having at least one mag ready to go in your safe is a reasonable idea. Not to mention if youre going out to specifically defend yourself. Be efficient and have some mags ready that hold more than 5 rounds
You anti-gun fuck stains are literally some of the most re-goddamn-tarded ass babies ever. Seriously. Half of you faggots need safe spaces because your a pussy, and you champion bein meek. Reach between your legs and check to see if you have dangling bits.
Violence is not something that can be done, unless a person does it. One may argue that it happens in nature, and you are wrong. That's called life happening, or some shit like that.
There should be some sort of process to control it. That being said fuck trying to limit the constitutional rights of citizens that choose to exercise theirs.
Also as I stated before. Lawful gun owners deserve to not be looked at as murderers hell bent on shooting anything that moves. Just as those that smoke weed don't deserve to be put in butt raping prison for one joint. If you want shit to be legal for you, don't try to make shit illegal for us. . . Faggots.
>>696870522 You couldn't use it with a high shelf without milling the shelf down. But not all ar's are manufactured with high shelfs, I don't know if you were the one that said that or not but it isn't true. You can actually look up online and see which companies manufacture ar's with low shelf receivers. There are quite a few. If you are going to drop the cash on an RDIAS you would absolutely do your research and purchase a host that could fit it.
>>696870982 Or, let's require the same laws for pot smokers and other casual drug users as we do for gun owners. Tie the two together and watch enthusiasm on the left for these "common sense" laws wither and die...
And don't fucking tell me that guns are more dangerous and they are designed to kill etc... drugs kill a shit load of people and destroy the lives of many more.
>>696871088 Most commercially available assembled guns come in a high shelf configuration. That's all I was pointing out. Of course low shelf stuff is available, but I rarely see it occupying the shelf at my LGS.
>>696870617 Any shooter who is worth his salt should bebable to guage distance and make appropriate adjustments. When you zero your scope for a certain distance you are able to make shots beyond the range its zeroed at by using the reticle in the scope. Ever hear of mil dots? Sounds like your the one who has no clue. As for hunting pests, if they are that much of a problem in your area you can use other methoda such as trapping to help control them. Besides if a pack of hogs or coytes are on your land they are going to fuck off in a hurry after the first shot, you might be able to get a second effective shot off but anything after that is just a waste of ammo
>>696871303 That's not what I fucking said. I said that if weed is being legalized because mentalities are being changed, then why are lawful gun owners being looked at as insane mass murderers? Hell I smoke weed, and carry, does that make me Satan incarnate? Fuck no it doesnt.
>>696865469 I think owning a gun should always be a right for a US citizen I think gun sales though should depend on the person buying the gun Has this person ever handled a gun? If not put the cost of basic gun training into the price of the gun and sell it to him/her Is this person sane? If not deny sale and point person to nearest mental health professional Has this person been involved in any altercations in the last 7 days that might be a the reason he is buying a gun? If so deny sale and point to mental health pro If not...sell him/her the gun
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>>696871730 Fuck are you talking about? Shotguns have a shorter range and depending on what shell you are shooting could do less damage than a hot 357 round or a 30-06. Sure, you can take a slug round with you, but what if you miss? Do you have time to pump another shell? Do you have an over under with one more fucking chance? Just...shut the fuck up will you?
>>696871094 Again these things will not go away over night in a country as fucked as murica. Yes there will be lots of illegal guns if sensible gun laws that apply across country are passed. Over time they will decrease, as will the body count
Yeah, we wont educate you on gun reform. You guys will figure that out eventually when enough buildings blow up, enough people get hit by trucks, enough suicide bombers blow up a train station or when enough of your beautiful blonde women are raped.
>>696872418 I have 5 lowers in my safe that are low shelf. I'll build them soon enough, once the rest of the country stops buying parts and driving up prices.
I've yet to handle an assembled weapon at any local gun shop in 5 states now that was assembled with a low shelf lower. They all had high shelf lowers. Which makes perfect sense, as most shops don't cater to enthusiasts like us.
>>696872145 I think we should wait and see what happens in Australia. If over time the gun homicides go down, which In fact increased after the government paid civilians to turn in weapons, then we should follow there path. But right now, Australia has seen a massive criminal backlash after disarming a large portion of the public, so it's not looking too good.
>>696872113 I agree with what you said about bs bias from libfucks, the point I was trying to make was if people can be trusted to be responsible enough with weed to make it legal in x number of states for rec. Use, then why should people that carry, or own 30 round mags, or own an ar, or whatever freedom flavored gas operated pez dispensers be look at as murderers and have to surrender rights? If the do has been instructed to more or less leave the states that have legalized weed for rec use alone, then the members of society that own things that go bang, shouldn't be fucked with either.
>>696872814 I think that is really more of a result of just handling guns from those particular manufacturers. You know what I mean. You could find 10 stores who all just happen to sell brands that don't use a low shelf. Or you could go to 10 stores that carry all brands that do.
>>696872903 I'm all for freedom. But people need to accept the danger that comes with freedom. Right now we're heading in a direction where that doesn't seem like our future.
I don't care about Switzerland or Australia, or some other country that has elected to limit the rights of their citizens in these ways. I'm not going to give up all the exciting things in life in exchange for false safety and security.
>>696871891 I'm against the points you bring up for a few reasons: Sanity is completely subjective to who is doing the psych evaluations. People like me who have a physical condition which causes periodic depression as well as me having had a prescription for anti-anxiety meds already puts me on the radar. A good comparison would be the no-fly list, which individuals are put onto for quite trivial matters with no due process.
Also, the altercation issue is a big no-no, many times people buy weapons because of an altercation that happened the same day. It sounds cliche, but stories of domestic abuse victims tend to escalate, and the victim goes to a pawn shop/gun shop and buys a firearm and later that night an altercation occurs where the firearm is either used to deter life-threatening violence or used as self-defence. States with week-long wait periods from purchasing a gun to owning a gun have some stories of where victims got murdered during that week wait period.
That being said, most of what I've read have been random articles that may or may not be of concrete credence, but those are my opinions.
>>696873168 In all honesty, that could be true. I won't lie to you and say half of them weren't big box stores. They were.
But these days, most people not in the know buy their rifles from these spots instead of building them. In any case, lots of the rifles out there don't have the ability to have a drop in full auto seer.
>>696872842 If only the 2A issue were as simple as crime statistics.
Break down 2A and you can now expect many of your other rights to be fucked with. We need to keep these things intact so they stand together, instead of trying to turn the constitution into some a la cart menu.
>>696873573 ok, but perhaps look at it this way. If you are going to drop 80 grand on an RDIAS you are likely not going to buy the host gun from a big box store, you are likely going to know what you need in order to use it, and you are purchasing a registered part for a large sum of money you can drop another 75 bucks to mill the shelf down.
>>696877509 I would argue that as being correct. A gun is the device to deliver the bullet downrange accurately.
Now, whether or not bullets are meant to be lethal is an argument I see a lot of people spend hours on slapping around to no avail. I wold argue that almost all bullets, outside of those intentionally less-lethal, are meant to be lethal.
Except for 9mm RIP. That was meant for IRL shitposting at the range.
>>696878536 piss poor comparison, guns are used all around the world as target shooting implements. I own several that are designed solely as competition guns intended to let me go as fast as I can as accurately as possible.
They could all be used to kill if "I" decide to do so but they were not designed to kill, they were designed to move a projectile downrange quickly and accurately.
Again, you have a belief about guns that does not make it fact.
>>696865579 this And if you dont understand the consequences then its not the people, but perhaps the education system of your country that has failed. Why teach people drugs are bad when you can tell them the side effects and peace except for making them fear it.
>>696872340 >>696879004 Classic servile eurocuck mentality. Keep licking mama merkels boot you pathetic cuckolds. When Muhammad kicks down your door to culturally enrich you'll wish you had armed yourself.
>>696878679 I think that match grade rounds aren't really meant for killing, and are meant for making the gun as accurate as can be. However, most hand loads of rounds, and rounds like hollowpoints or FMJ rounds, are designed for killing.
Of course, this argument, if had, would go on for hours, end in six people all arguing different points, and get us nowhere.
>>696867980 Sorry to break your bubble. But Automatic (full auto = machine guns) Simi auto are legal (one pull of the trigger = one shot not multiple shots with one pull of the trigger like full auto) are Illegal in all 50 states unless you carry a class 3 permit that costs you a fuck ton every couple years.
>>696880143 I don't keep my defensive guns to "shoot at human targets"
I keep them to stop a threat. It's not about life or death, it's about stopping someone from attacking me or my family. A gun is the most effective tool for that, and when they invent something better at stopping a threat, I'll want that too
>>696880143 That's a good thing stupid. Not only does it equalize a situation (a 90 lb girl can defend herself against a a man, one man can defend himself against multiple attackers, et cetera) but they are a powerful deterrent that can stop a fight before it happens as well as one of the essential checks and balances of our government, lest we be foolish enough to follow in the example of the regimes of those like Stalin, Mao, and pol pot who together killed 100 million of their own citizens.
>>696880494 Yeah, fair enough, I just have a problem with the whole idea of "let me keep a gun because self defence" because the changes in emotion and current happenings in the world can give people with guns the ability to have a quick solution to a problem. I know a lot of people are more collected than this but sometimes the reason people use their guns can change for stupid reasons, like a disagreement or some shit. Justhe to be more clear I am not for taking away guns, I am one of the "regulate better" fags
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