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should guns be legal?

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should guns be legal?
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everything should be legal
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>>696865469
yes
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wut
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>>696865469
Stupid people shouldn't own them. But yeah sure.
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>>696865834
which letter confused you?
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>>696865916
i think hes an amerifag and so ignorant he does not understand that you can be anywhere else in the world and be on this site
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What a stupid fucking question.
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Funny thing is, they are legal
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>>696865469
dat rage when its always a nigger who has converted a pistol to be some 30 round spray and pray POS
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>>696865469
yes, but i dont really see the point for automatic rifles other then sport/entertainment, so id be fine if they were not allowed to be carried in public or be shot outside designated shooting ranges.

Not so the people who wanna mass kill 'wont be allowed to wear em and listen to those rules' but to lessen their availability and allow cops to know instantly who they need to shoot on sight without asking questions when responding to a shooting.

>protip, its not niggers for once, im implying they shoot people wearing automatic rifles in a gunfight.
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Hunting rifles and shotguns should be legal. Everything else should be either completely prohibited or very highly regulated
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>>696866020
Thats possible???? what about trumps firewall???
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>>696866509
what about pistols?
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>>696866424
Automatic rifles aren't "legal". You need to get a special license OR have your local Sherriff sign your papers, which isn't going to happen unless you happen to be good buddies with him.

On top of that, the actual rifle costs upwards of $15,000.

Not many people have $15,000 to spend on a gun.
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>>696865469
for tards and criminals yes
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>>696866338
It's because they suck at aiming just as bad as they suck all of our wellfare away
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>>696866424
100% fucking retard detected

automatic weapons are illegal in every state, you fucking progressive tool.
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>>696865469
Yes
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>>696866667
I belive they would be included in 'everything else' you dunce
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>>696866424
How can you tell if a rifle is automatic or not by just looking at it?
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>>696867367
They have a selector switch for firing mode. Assuming its a rifle of course.
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>>696867333
Why should this be illegal?

Why should this be illegal, yet an m1 grande is fine?

One is black and one is brown?

What about an m1 with black furniture, does that make it instantly illegal?
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>>696867540
You can't see that unless you are at point blank range.

he was saying cops would be able to tell who to shoot by seeing someone carrying an automatic rifle
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>>696867584
forgot pic
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>>696867782
Oh that is pretty much impossible yes. I was assuming he was talking about looking at a gun at arms length
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>>696866881
wow, you are just totally wrong on about everything.

They are completely legal in all but I believe 3 states.

As of just recently you no longer need Cleo signoff, you may just notify them.

there is no, nor was there ever a special license to own an automatic weapon, it is a 200 dollar tax and a registration of the weapon. done, you own it if you can afford it.

You may be getting confused with the rules to manufacture and sell current new stock automatic weapons.
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>>696867540
ar15s do, not many rifles have a selector switch
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>>696867206
absolutely wrong.
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Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyS3CEIbpJo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw
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>>696867984
yea, and an ar-15 is not an automatic. An m16 is, which is the rifle that the ar-15 is modeled after. Some people elect to purchase a drop in auto sear for their ar's which would allow automatic fire but if you can spot that pin from a distance while under stress then more power to you.
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>>696867584
An m1 is capable of a very high rate of fire in the hands of a person who knows how to use it. It should be very heavily regulated and should only be made available with 3 round clips. The colour of the gun makes no difference, what its capable of doing is the important thing.
>>696867859
This should be completely prohibited, this gun has one purpose only. Killing or wounding as many people as possible. No civilian needs this for any reason. Period.
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>>696867859
Thats an AKM, completely legal as long as only 9 parts are imported, rest has be to be made in the USA. I respect background checks because niggers shouldnt own. But the stupid fucking rules like the akm is just... they make no sense

>>696868027
They are illegal to own in every single state unless you have a very specific permit that you can really only get as a high ranking military officer. Fully auto is a federal crime if youre caught and you dont have the permit to
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>>696867984
The AK does as well, so does the SCAR. Most modern day rifles have a selector module
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>>696867980
>As of just recently you no longer need Cleo signoff, you may just notify them.

really? didn't know that I'll have to look that up

What about converting a rifle to auto, hypothetically? I know it's hectically illegal to do it, but what would be the "legal" procedure?

Still though, my point stands about not many people being able to spend $15k on a gun

Anyone who does is pretty much certain to be careful as fuck with it seeing as it costs as much as a (cheapish) new car
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Ban guns. Good goyim.
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>>696865469
they are. get used to it.
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Yes.

However in order to obtain one, the owner should obtain a licence through a fee and pass a test in both practicle in the form of target shooting and handling, and written theoretical assessment through the knowledge of the local laws, handling, storage and safety protocols.

The owner should then require insurance of the firearms, and themselves in order to cover any monetary damage/provide financial recompence to persons they kill and/or injure.

The individual should then be summoned for a mandatory reassessment of their skills every 3-5 years in order to ensure the safety of both themselves and others.
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>>696868403
So that saiga should be illegal but a mossberg is fine?

Put saiga and the mossberg and a mass shooter together, the shotgun will kill many more people.
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I wonder (((who))) wants to take guns away from law abiding citizens so that only criminals who doesn't care about the law can get guns.
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>>696868417
you are completely wrong, they are completely legal in all but I think 3 states.

You do not need a permit or anything ridiculous to purchase a transferable automatic weapon.

All you need is the money for the gun, the 200 dollar taz and you have to register it after you send a letter of notification to local law enforcement.

But please keep aguing with an ffl with an SOT 3
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>>696867984
Basically any modern assault rifle or battle rife that is capable of either semi or full/burst firing mode has a switch to change between them. Converting a semi auto weapon to a full auto one is a whole other can of worms
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>>696865469
Some should. Some shouldn't
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>>696868781
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>>696868498
you could not legally convert a gun to full auto unless you had a class 3 manufacturers license. And that does take a lot of shit to get including permission from local CLEO.
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>>696868783
Dont mean to argue, im just an avid firearms collector. When did that change? I reside in CA and we still dont truly have Concealed Carry really
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>>696868781

It is a mystery
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>>696865469
Yes, but 32 round clips shouldn't.
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>>696868920
An AKM only takes three drilled holes to convert oddly enough. Or fucking eBay
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>>696865469
I thought guns were legal.
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>>696868994

Did someone say shekels?
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>>696868920
Why would anyone do all that when it's so fucking easy to convert one in 5 mins

fuck that
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>>696867206
Not true.

A $200 tax stamp, fingerprints, signature of authorization from local law enforcement, a mental heath form (in some states) and a meager $15+ grand wasting away in your pocketbook might get you a very used and abused automatic/select fire weapon. There's a limited supply because a 1986 law prevents new ones being made.
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>>696869043
or a ziptie
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>>696868974
well, you should know that automatic weapons are not illegal, nor do they require special permits.

There exists a registry of transferable pre ban automatic weapons, anyone may purchase one of these guns by simply paying the tax and registering it.

Because the list of pre ban weapons is finite the people who own them set the prices and they are often very high.

No one may purchase NEW automatic weapons without jumping through many hoops.
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>>696868781

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>>696868759
Again you are missing the forest for the trees here. ANY gun in the hands of a skilled shooter can be used to kill en mass. But by limiting the capabilities of those guns, such as firing modes and capacity limits what can be done by a deranged shooter. A saiga with a large capacity will do a lot of damage. A saiga that can only hold 2 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber is less so, having to reload after every 3 shots limits what somebody who wants to go on a shooting spree can do and gives police a chance to close in and kill the fool. Any hunter who claims to need more that 3 shots in a shotgun needs to work on their aim some more
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Pistols are fine, but anything else should be
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>>696869043
I never meant to imply that you couldn't actually physically do it, just that you can not do it legally.

Plus if I am not mistaken the method you are referring to would result in automatic fire but it would not be an actual auto. It would simply allow the hammer to ride the bolt which is a very dangerous situation that could lead to out of battery detonations.
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>>696869454
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>>696868403
3 fucking in a clip? Are you fucking retarded?
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>>696868335
Automatic seer doesn't fit without extensive modification, which you'd need to pretty much be a gunsmith to achieve. This is done on purpose. Among other things, most commercially available AR15 models have a high shelf lower which prevents the installation of the full auto/burst trigger group.
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>>696869454
Wtf are you talking about. Pistols are the cause for most Murders by firearms. Theyre easier to conceal and theres a mass amount more of them. Doesnt sound like you know what youre talking about
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>>696865469
Yes so it will be easier to take out newfags litke you for asking this question.
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>>696869454
Pistols have one purpose, killing people. No civilian needs a pistol. They should be completely prohibited
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>>696869016
Why shouldn't they? Provide one example other than some sort of bullshit bias that you have towards that which you wont/can't understand.

If pot is becoming legal across the nation slowly, due to mentality changing towards it, then why, do lawful gun owners get viewed as hicks that don't trust the government, and are basically murderers?

I faIl to understand why faggots refuse to accept that it isn't the gun. It's hate. Violence does not come from an inanimate object. It comes from the heart. How fucking hard of a concept is this for cucks to understand?
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>>696869530
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>>696869454
What a retard. Why the fuck should rifles be banned over pistols. Give me one good fucking reason to prove you said something logical
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>>696868498
Yup. This is true. You used to be able to bypass some of it by creating a trust, but the new law changes this process slightly, requiring all people including trusts to go through essentially the same process but removing the Leo approval which was a defacto ban without legislation.
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>>696869441
No mass shooter is going to use a gun that can only hold 2 rounds.

They will simply get easily available 30 round mags.

You can't remove all of the guns and mags out there by making them illegal, they won't just dissapear.

And one shot from a mossberg can kill multiple people. Sawing of the end is a whole other story and increases the spread even more.

Good luck killing 3 people with one 7.62 round.
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>>696869557
Are you? A m1 would make for a fine hunting rife. If you are a hunter and claim to need any more than 2 or 3 rounds then you really need to work on your aim
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>>696869201
it is not easy.

People think they know how but what they know how to do is file down pieces of the disconnector that catches the hammer after firing, this will cause automatic fire but without utilizing the proper parts and hammer/sear/disconnector geometry you will have out of battery detonation, mag dumps from uncontrolable fire and then likely blow your gun apart and your face.
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>>696869729
Well said, OP is a faggot and so is the OP you quoted. Biggest faggots ive ever encountered
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>>696868673
Let's apply those same rules to driving and a few other things on society, like purchasing and consuming alcohol.
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>>696869807
You can always mail order a rebuild kit from...any country that offers them. Mexico is a prime example. High Capacity mags will never be a thing of the past
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>>696869874

What?
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>>696865469
Yes.
So should background checks and ownership and sales, storage, transport, and license restrictions.
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>>696869561
no, it is called a drop in auto sear for a reason. look it up. It is specifically designed to...get this...drop in and work. it is a small piece of metal. It is a registered piece and they cost about, hmmm, I think the last time I checked they were going for about 80k

You are likely just thinking about dropping in the FCG and BCG from an M16 which, you are correct, you can not just do. But a DIAS is something different.
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>>696869807
Not over night, make it illegal to posesse them and their availablity will decrease over time. Make a buy back program where people who own such high capacity magazines can turn them in, prohibit importation of weapons/magazines and this would aid in the process but again it will not happen over night
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>>696869808
What if you're hunting big game?

you have 3 rounds, say you hit 2 out of 3.

That may not be enough to drop a bear or moose on the spot.

I'd feel much safer dumping 5 rounds or more
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>>696869960
We're talking about laws.
>should guns be legal?
Don't forget murder is illegal. If people illegally modify legal weapons and use them to kill people, does that means we may as well scrap laws against murder?
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>>696870137
And it fits both high and low shelf receivers?
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>>696870183
yeah that works so well in Detroit

where most murders are committed with illegally owned, illegally concealed pistols
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>>696870450
yes
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>>696870266
Then reload you fucking tit head. An animail with 2 rounds in it is going to leave a blood trail, follow the trail and finish it off. I've watched my father and he friends kill one tonne moose at range with one round from a 30.06 bolt action rifle. They knew how to shoot, something you clearly nees to work on
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>>696869808
that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

You know, some hunters actually hunt pest animals like hogs and coyotes, things that travel in large packs and decimate livestock and farmland.

These hunters take as much ammo as they can and they load as much as they can into mags to remain effective.

Anyone who makes the argument you make has obviously never fired a gun before, and they have obviously never fired a gun at an unknown distance either.
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>>696870450
No it means we should drop the laws against modifying the weapon

A murderer is going to murder whether it be a hunting rifle or an AKM or a knife, or a bomb.
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70k released felons from nations lockups,dems want 2,000,000 more syrian refugees,,nice people among them,which are nice,which are buzzards,govermint declines to consider the differences important,obama has done more for small arms sales than krupp industries salesmen.
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>>696870536
Making it illegal in one part of the country but legal in others is pointless. This needs to apply to everybody everywhere in order to be effective
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>>696870617
I agree completely. I think having at least one mag ready to go in your safe is a reasonable idea. Not to mention if youre going out to specifically defend yourself. Be efficient and have some mags ready that hold more than 5 rounds
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>>696870266
2A is not about hunting. It is not about hunting now, nor has it ever been about hunting. All arguments beginning and ending with "you don't need xxxxx for hunting" are therefore invalid.

Engaging these arguments is validating them in the eyes of the uneducated and easily mislead public.
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>>696870605
>bear running at you after you shoot 2 rounds into it

>HOLD ON BUDDY, LET ME RELOAD

Bear: "oh okay, i'll just wait here while you reload. no, no, go ahead I'll wait before charging at you"

Of course if you're a pussy ass that hunts from 15 ft deer stands you'll be fine, but that's not really hunting that's fishing.
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You anti-gun fuck stains are literally some of the most re-goddamn-tarded ass babies ever. Seriously. Half of you faggots need safe spaces because your a pussy, and you champion bein meek. Reach between your legs and check to see if you have dangling bits.

Violence is not something that can be done, unless a person does it. One may argue that it happens in nature, and you are wrong. That's called life happening, or some shit like that.

There should be some sort of process to control it. That being said fuck trying to limit the constitutional rights of citizens that choose to exercise theirs.

Also as I stated before. Lawful gun owners deserve to not be looked at as murderers hell bent on shooting anything that moves. Just as those that smoke weed don't deserve to be put in butt raping prison for one joint. If you want shit to be legal for you, don't try to make shit illegal for us. . . Faggots.
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>>696870522
You couldn't use it with a high shelf without milling the shelf down. But not all ar's are manufactured with high shelfs, I don't know if you were the one that said that or not but it isn't true. You can actually look up online and see which companies manufacture ar's with low shelf receivers. There are quite a few. If you are going to drop the cash on an RDIAS you would absolutely do your research and purchase a host that could fit it.
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>>696870748
And criminals will still be criminals and have illegally owned firearms and use them in murders.
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should guns be legal?
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>>696865469
They are legal. Next question!
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>>696870982
Or, let's require the same laws for pot smokers and other casual drug users as we do for gun owners. Tie the two together and watch enthusiasm on the left for these "common sense" laws wither and die...

And don't fucking tell me that guns are more dangerous and they are designed to kill etc... drugs kill a shit load of people and destroy the lives of many more.
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>>696871088
Most commercially available assembled guns come in a high shelf configuration. That's all I was pointing out. Of course low shelf stuff is available, but I rarely see it occupying the shelf at my LGS.
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>>696870617
Any shooter who is worth his salt should bebable to guage distance and make appropriate adjustments. When you zero your scope for a certain distance you are able to make shots beyond the range its zeroed at by using the reticle in the scope. Ever hear of mil dots? Sounds like your the one who has no clue. As for hunting pests, if they are that much of a problem in your area you can use other methoda such as trapping to help control them. Besides if a pack of hogs or coytes are on your land they are going to fuck off in a hurry after the first shot, you might be able to get a second effective shot off but anything after that is just a waste of ammo
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>>696871303
That's not what I fucking said. I said that if weed is being legalized because mentalities are being changed, then why are lawful gun owners being looked at as insane mass murderers? Hell I smoke weed, and carry, does that make me Satan incarnate? Fuck no it doesnt.
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>>696871303
>pot kills people.

You some special kinda stupid, ain't ya, boy?
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>>696871549
Yes that faggot us fucking dumb. . .
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>>696871439
but that isn't true.

Can we post links here, I can never remember.

There are tons, TONS of manufacturers now that make lowers with a low shelf. Hell, even DPMS makes low shelf lowers. Even my 30 dollar anderson lowers are low shelf.
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>>696870908
If you are hunting bear in the woods you should be packing a shotgun, if you are in an open field and you are being bum rushed by a bear then you are about as useless as they come
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>>696871549
Akchually I said DRUGS. not pot.

Learn to read faggit.
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>>696870684
Ur kinda dense.
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>>696871730
Shut the fuck up napoleon dynamite.
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>>696865469
I think owning a gun should always be a right for a US citizen
I think gun sales though should depend on the person buying the gun
Has this person ever handled a gun?
If not put the cost of basic gun training into the price of the gun and sell it to him/her
Is this person sane?
If not deny sale and point person to nearest mental health professional
Has this person been involved in any altercations in the last 7 days that might be a the reason he is buying a gun?
If so deny sale and point to mental health pro
If not...sell him/her the gun

pic semi-related...it a promo shot of my pocket protector
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>>696871703
Lowers. Lowers. Lowers..

I'm not talking about lowers.


Complete, fully assembled guns available on the shelf of your local gun shop is much more likely to have a high shelf configuration....
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>>696866057
smh tbh fam
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>>696871730
Fuck are you talking about? Shotguns have a shorter range and depending on what shell you are shooting could do less damage than a hot 357 round or a 30-06. Sure, you can take a slug round with you, but what if you miss? Do you have time to pump another shell? Do you have an over under with one more fucking chance? Just...shut the fuck up will you?
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Amerifats shouldn't being trying to educate the rest of the planet about gun laws.
You fail too hard.
Next you'll be trying to inform us about health care.
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>>696871450
HAHA, you are just showing how much you don't know.

You are just too ignorant and willfully stupid to continue speaking to.

I would love to explain to you all the ways you are wrong but you are getting all your info from either TV or shit you hear other people say. You have no desire to accept fact or even hear it.

I will not waste one more captcha on you.
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>>696871975
Personally I wouldn't hunt bear with anything less than 44 mag
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>>696871518
I don't care what you said. And I don't care about what you do in your private residence.

I care about what I said. I also care about the hypocrisy of the left. Applying the same rules to drug use would smack most young libs right across their safe spaces.
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>>696871094
Again these things will not go away over night in a country as fucked as murica. Yes there will be lots of illegal guns if sensible gun laws that apply across country are passed. Over time they will decrease, as will the body count
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>>696872000
Nice trips,

Yeah, we wont educate you on gun reform. You guys will figure that out eventually when enough buildings blow up, enough people get hit by trucks, enough suicide bombers blow up a train station or when enough of your beautiful blonde women are raped.
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>>>696865469 (OP)
>Stupid people shouldn't own them. But yeah sure

What do you consider stupid people I definitely have a loose screw or to you but I'm not going up killing everybody I would want you I would love to but I still don't
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>>696872071
I would never go out of my way to hunt a fucking bear. But I always have something that has enough stopping power to stop a bear from charging me if I dont freeze up in fear
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>>696872050
Just another murifag who cant let go of their guns
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>>696872000
Wasted trips.

Murica isn't interested in educating the entire world about gun laws, but it does seem that much of Europe is interested in trying to "educate" Americans about them.
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>>696871754
>implying
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>>696871931
again, no.

Just go over to google and look up manufactures with low shelf. Somewhere in there is a list that someone maintains of all the companies who put out lowers with low shelves.

I keep saying lower because they use the lowers they manufacture in the guns they manufacture.

I don't think you are stupid or anything, I know you seem to like guns and I hope you go check it out. A lot of companies have come around to not treat citizens like children.
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>>696872411
That's why they call me
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I wouldn't go bear hunting with anything weaker than this
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>>696872528
I wouldn't go bear hunting with a pistol.
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>>696872670
Bears are as hard to take down as niggers right?
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>>696872418
I have 5 lowers in my safe that are low shelf. I'll build them soon enough, once the rest of the country stops buying parts and driving up prices.

I've yet to handle an assembled weapon at any local gun shop in 5 states now that was assembled with a low shelf lower. They all had high shelf lowers. Which makes perfect sense, as most shops don't cater to enthusiasts like us.
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>>696872145
I think we should wait and see what happens in Australia. If over time the gun homicides go down, which In fact increased after the government paid civilians to turn in weapons, then we should follow there path. But right now, Australia has seen a massive criminal backlash after disarming a large portion of the public, so it's not looking too good.
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>>696872113
I agree with what you said about bs bias from libfucks, the point I was trying to make was if people can be trusted to be responsible enough with weed to make it legal in x number of states for rec. Use, then why should people that carry, or own 30 round mags, or own an ar, or whatever freedom flavored gas operated pez dispensers be look at as murderers and have to surrender rights? If the do has been instructed to more or less leave the states that have legalized weed for rec use alone, then the members of society that own things that go bang, shouldn't be fucked with either.
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>>696872528
>implying your wrists aren't weak when you hold that thing.

I'm gay for just looking at it.
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>>696872670
That gun took down Jon lemon
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Only law enforcement should be allowed to have guns...oh, and criminals too.
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>>696872903
*doj. Curse my fat sausage like fingers.
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>>696872159
This x20.
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>>696873044
I hope you die alone
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>>696872814
I think that is really more of a result of just handling guns from those particular manufacturers. You know what I mean. You could find 10 stores who all just happen to sell brands that don't use a low shelf. Or you could go to 10 stores that carry all brands that do.
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>>696872903
I'm all for freedom. But people need to accept the danger that comes with freedom. Right now we're heading in a direction where that doesn't seem like our future.

I don't care about Switzerland or Australia, or some other country that has elected to limit the rights of their citizens in these ways. I'm not going to give up all the exciting things in life in exchange for false safety and security.

It isn't worth it to me.
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>>696873317
Here, here. I couldn't agree more.
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>>696869324
>posting ARG propaganda
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>>696871891
I'm against the points you bring up for a few reasons:
Sanity is completely subjective to who is doing the psych evaluations. People like me who have a physical condition which causes periodic depression as well as me having had a prescription for anti-anxiety meds already puts me on the radar.
A good comparison would be the no-fly list, which individuals are put onto for quite trivial matters with no due process.

Also, the altercation issue is a big no-no, many times people buy weapons because of an altercation that happened the same day. It sounds cliche, but stories of domestic abuse victims tend to escalate, and the victim goes to a pawn shop/gun shop and buys a firearm and later that night an altercation occurs where the firearm is either used to deter life-threatening violence or used as self-defence.
States with week-long wait periods from purchasing a gun to owning a gun have some stories of where victims got murdered during that week wait period.

That being said, most of what I've read have been random articles that may or may not be of concrete credence, but those are my opinions.
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>>696873168
In all honesty, that could be true. I won't lie to you and say half of them weren't big box stores. They were.

But these days, most people not in the know buy their rifles from these spots instead of building them. In any case, lots of the rifles out there don't have the ability to have a drop in full auto seer.
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>>696872842
If only the 2A issue were as simple as crime statistics.

It isnt.

Break down 2A and you can now expect many of your other rights to be fucked with. We need to keep these things intact so they stand together, instead of trying to turn the constitution into some a la cart menu.
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>>696873573
ok, but perhaps look at it this way. If you are going to drop 80 grand on an RDIAS you are likely not going to buy the host gun from a big box store, you are likely going to know what you need in order to use it, and you are purchasing a registered part for a large sum of money you can drop another 75 bucks to mill the shelf down.
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>>696865469
they are legal in any country that even remotely matters
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>>696873874
the reality is that they would need 34 states to ratify an amendment to the constitution. There aren't enough anti gun states to actually go through with it to that extreme.

It is backdoor bans we have to watch out for. Like outlawing x to make y useless.
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>>696865469
fuck you
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>>696874297
California is a good example of "common sense" gun laws turning into absolute fucking lunacy, espevially the shitstorm about bullet buttons.
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>>696875575
yup, and now MA
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>>696875575
Why is California so cancerous, it's becoming Sweden Jr.
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>>696871450
haha its painfully obvious that this guy is getting all his information from movies and video games
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>>696869625
But they need a rifle?
>implying all guns aren't made for killing
No, n.. no officer, it's a can opener I swear
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>>696865469
Yup
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>>696871148
No
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>>696876607
Yet another argument I hear that is retarded, guns are in fact not made for killing.

Guns are made to move a projectile downrange quickly and accurately. What the operator behind the trigger does is and always will be decided by the person.
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>>696869016
So 31 round clips are fine? Ok got it
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>>696877509
I would argue that as being correct. A gun is the device to deliver the bullet downrange accurately.

Now, whether or not bullets are meant to be lethal is an argument I see a lot of people spend hours on slapping around to no avail. I wold argue that almost all bullets, outside of those intentionally less-lethal, are meant to be lethal.

Except for 9mm RIP. That was meant for IRL shitposting at the range.
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>>696875575
>California is a good example of "common sense" gun laws
If it has "common sense" gun laws, why is it still such a crime ridden shithole?
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>>696877509
God damn, not made for killing? So you DO use it as a can opener?
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>>696878095
That's the point retard, they CALL it "common sense" gun laws, but in reality they're fucking ridiculous
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>>696878163
I am actually a professional competitive shooter.

just because you can not see past the movie use of a firearm does not mean that no other use exists.
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>>696875774
How fucked are they getting?

>>696875922
They wanted to keep their streets safe, and didn't realize that criminals who want to break the law aren't going to simply bend to the will of another set of laws when committing crimes.

>>696878095
Because "common sense" gun laws don't work. You have to use the super oppressive shit to get results, and if that was done on a national level, actual riots would happen.
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>>696877509
>fridges were not made to keep food refrigerated, just to keep the area inside it cool
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>>696878163
Not him, but my guns haven't killed anything. In fact, 99% of guns in America aren't used to kill anybody

So the thing that they are used for the least is their main purpose according to you?
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>>696878086
I don't know about almost ALL bullets being designed to kill either.

While you are correct there are a fair number of them that are designed to do just that I would say there are more that are simply designed for accurate stable flight.
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All of these people saying "no, guns are bad" are not gun owners. They think they can stop a rapist or a murderer by the power of words.
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>>696878496
Wait really? Criminals.... DON'T follow gun laws? Why, they're breaking the law doing that! What type of person would just BREAK LAWS like that
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>>696866509
Get fucked lefty

The second amendment was made to ensure that we could defend ourselves from the government. Not to hunt.
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>>696865469
Only for police and army,
no one else needs one.

>inb4 but mad Americans
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>>696879004
Europoors probably believe this webm.
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>>696878536
piss poor comparison, guns are used all around the world as target shooting implements. I own several that are designed solely as competition guns intended to let me go as fast as I can as accurately as possible.

They could all be used to kill if "I" decide to do so but they were not designed to kill, they were designed to move a projectile downrange quickly and accurately.

Again, you have a belief about guns that does not make it fact.
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>>696879004
Yeah, because totalitarian governments have been known for their fair treatment and compassion

Get fucked boot licker
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>>696879113
Don't you know? This is how anyone can get a gun in America
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>>696865579
this
And if you dont understand the consequences then its not the people, but perhaps the education system of your country that has failed.
Why teach people drugs are bad when you can tell them the side effects and peace except for making them fear it.
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>>696872340
>>696879004
Classic servile eurocuck mentality. Keep licking mama merkels boot you pathetic cuckolds. When Muhammad kicks down your door to culturally enrich you'll wish you had armed yourself.
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>>696865469
News flash, they are legal.
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>>696878679
I think that match grade rounds aren't really meant for killing, and are meant for making the gun as accurate as can be. However, most hand loads of rounds, and rounds like hollowpoints or FMJ rounds, are designed for killing.

Of course, this argument, if had, would go on for hours, end in six people all arguing different points, and get us nowhere.
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>>696867980
Sorry to break your bubble. But Automatic (full auto = machine guns) Simi auto are legal (one pull of the trigger = one shot not multiple shots with one pull of the trigger like full auto) are Illegal in all 50 states unless you carry a class 3 permit that costs you a fuck ton every couple years.
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>>696878443
Yes, maybe you don't intend to kill people
But you can't deny the majority of people keep them are because of self defence, more than ready to use them to shoot at human targets
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>>696879920
nope, that class 3 license is only regarding the purchase of newly manufactured automatics.

not having this discussion anymore. They are legal to own, get over it.

Keep trying to prove me wrong though

Also, your little graphic states nothing about autos in the USA.
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>>696880143
I don't keep my defensive guns to "shoot at human targets"

I keep them to stop a threat. It's not about life or death, it's about stopping someone from attacking me or my family. A gun is the most effective tool for that, and when they invent something better at stopping a threat, I'll want that too
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>>696880143
that is correct, but that is my point, it is the intention of the person who keeps it.
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>>696880397
Prove it. Show me where it says they are legal.
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>>696880143
That's a good thing stupid. Not only does it equalize a situation (a 90 lb girl can defend herself against a a man, one man can defend himself against multiple attackers, et cetera) but they are a powerful deterrent that can stop a fight before it happens as well as one of the essential checks and balances of our government, lest we be foolish enough to follow in the example of the regimes of those like Stalin, Mao, and pol pot who together killed 100 million of their own citizens.
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>>696880499
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>>696880653
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-machine-guns-be-transferred-one-registered-owner-another

Retard
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>>696880961
But not after 1986.
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>>696880494
Yeah, fair enough, I just have a problem with the whole idea of "let me keep a gun because self defence" because the changes in emotion and current happenings in the world can give people with guns the ability to have a quick solution to a problem. I know a lot of people are more collected than this but sometimes the reason people use their guns can change for stupid reasons, like a disagreement or some shit. Justhe to be more clear I am not for taking away guns, I am one of the "regulate better" fags
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>>696881323
Yeah, that's a known fact thank you
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