That depends how you define corrupt. Jackson was pretty corrupt, but he was giving the bribes, not taking them, and he was a fucking baller anyway so he gets a pass. Basically everyone in the Gilded Age was completely corrupt, all those people no one remembers between Grant and Garfield. She is almost certainly the most corrupt presidential candidate since Nixon, and likely top 10% overall.
>>696815962 Jackson was responsible for the genocide of the natives. Not saying thatd not baller as fuck, just saying it's worse than anything Hillary has done. All of the shit she's done doesn't match what he did.
Even in modern history she's not bad, and arguably good in comparison to some of the trash we've had.
>>696816247 So we are just accepting the corruption and the fucking head of our capitol? WOMEN WOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMENWOMEN. She bends over backwards for a few million.
>>696819606 Yo if you already dislike Hilary watch this documentary called Clinton Cash. It's explains how the Clinton Foundation really works along with the people who used "donations" to it as a way to get the Clintons to help with their business ventures. The IRS is even investigating her because of this.
>>696819395 It is a possibility eather way. It makes no sense to escalate the tensions with Russia. It wasn't long ago we were getting along quite well. It's policy now for countries with nukes to use them as a last ditch effort to repel attacks. No one will win in the end
>>696819919 I've heard rumors that they are building a RICO case (type of case used to get the mob) against her and that's why the FBI recommend no charges for her illegal sharing of classified documents
>>696819945 you want to know why the IRS is investigating? because a republican asked them to. because republicans are trying again to create controversy. and like every other time they've tried (specifically benghazi and emails), they'll fail. if you're a conservative, you should be fucking irate that republicans pushed to waste over 7 million of your tax dollars to find absolutely fucking nothing. actually if you're anyone you should be pissed.
watching that horse shit is no better than watching some fucking michael moore movie and taking that as gospel. it's just more biased horse shit.
>>696819467 I don't think he had anything to do with destabilizing the region or the German chancellor opening the eu's gates wide open to any 3 world person who could get there. It was to bring in a bunch of young taxpayers to pay for the boomer generations gov't benefits that they couldnt afford to keep paying. Kind of backfiring now though
I mean, the director literally said there is not evidence that would establish beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody engaged in conduct that would violate a criminal statute, and that no reasonable prosecutor would choose to press charges. take that as you will.
>>696820251 Obama has driven the national debt from just over 9 trillion to just under 20 trillion in less than 8 years. Everyone should be pissed about that.... >>mad cause my grandkids will be paying off obamas credit debt
>>696820462 America may have the world largest, most equipped military but to think that they could take on countries that have beaten other armies with an army 1/4 size of the opposing is fucking feeble. America is going no where, if hilary is voted in you may as well buy more and more guns cause you selfish motherfuckers are gonna need them.
>>696820251 If you haven't seen it then dont call it horse shit. You're just being closed minded. Who gives a fuck about parties? They have few options to choose from and have to pick the one they align with the most. That's not proof they are attacking her just because she is a Democrat. Gtfo with brainwashed, Democrat bullshit and start researching her. Btw I dont belong to any party because American politics is a farce.
>>696820803 It's the same as a mother giving her kid the choice between peas or carrots when he doesn't like eather. Given the choice hell go along with it even though he doesn't like eather. It's called a hegelian dialectic.
>>696820719 "although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information our judgement is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" that is a direct quote. Go watch the video again and stop promoting bullshit. She committed crimes
>>696820803 you're absolutely correct, I'm extremely closed minded to stuff that debuts on breitbart, just as I am to stuff that appears on slate. all of that shit has to immediately be taken with an immense grain of salt because of how pervasive media bias is, both ways. I've already researched her plenty, and there's nothing out there but fucking conjectures and conspiracies with no actual fucking evidence. "HEH HERE'S A LIST OF PEOPLE CLOSE TO THE CLINTONS THAT HAVE DIED UNDER MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!1111!1" fuck off.
>>696818320 >one leaked sensitive information about the government and is now wanted for high treason and could easily face the death penalty >the other leaked sensitive government information and is allowed to be in the running to become president
>>696822060 What 'conspiracies" have you read about her then? She keeps getting investigated by gov't agencies for a reason. Sure take it with a grain of salt but actually read opposing views against her. all opposing views against something you like aren't automatically wrong because they go against you. you could be wrong too
>>696821805 The world needs him. When they say he got bankrupt, that basically proves the point in why he should be president. It's because despite downs, he managed to come back up better and stronger. this is what we need for USA, in which affects the whole world. So, Trump = World Unity under law & order
>>696822545 i heard rumors that the FBI is letting the email scandal slide so they can hit her with a RICO case. Hopefully info the IRS finds along with other things the FBI discovered in their lengthy ass investigation will be used for this. If they hit her with a RICO case it will hit everyone she has done dirty deeds with
>>696820251 This election is about globalism vs. nationalism. From they way you type, you are about 7 years away from even coming close to understanding this. You think your friends are you enemies and your enemies are your friends. Fucking goy.
>>696815275 no. for several reasons - firstly Trump is obviously more corrupt than her - (for a given definition of coorrupt) he has spent his entire life flip flopping and bending to get money from anyone who will give it to him - and has run openly fraudulent schemes and has openly refused to pay for work done, sued partners and banks to get out of legitimate debts and is generally as criminal as possible without getting locked up. yet. Trump University may yet result in criminal charges.
secondly - what do you mean by corrupt - this nasty word without meaning is being used about Hillary, wwithout any explanation of it. it is just flung mud. Is there a single case of her having been charged with corruption? a single criminal case that she has been charged wth at all? has she been investigated for corruption? any proof found? what examples of corruption (usually described as being bribed to not do your duty in office) have been uncovered?
so what do you mean by corrupt? and how can you compare her to say, GW Bush, whose business dealings were at the very least shady and in any fair court would be seen as fradulent and an abuse of power by his family? Or the blatant corruption of the netire Republican party by the NRA? that is a gross failure to do their duty, because of bribes.
and just look at the Koch Brothers and their buying of the presidencey and the congress to gut the EPA and oppose any global warming legislation. that is gross corruption - again the entire Republican Party, but Bush in particular and his cronies.
so no, not in the least. not even a little bit.
so fuck off with your Truper lies and smears and Republican mud slinging.
>>696822501 >She keeps getting investigated by gov't agencies for a reason.
so you can say this, but you can't also recognize that she is cleared each time? okay...
benghazi/emails/clinton foundation are literally all things republicans have pushed for for her to be investigated on. they fail because these "scandals" are created to skew public perception and make her seem less trustworthy. it's amazing to me that people can be okay with how it's chiefly the opposition pushing for these investigations, yet when she is cleared again and again, it must certainly be because of corruption/pay offs/inadequate investigation/etc. like it can't be because there's just nothing there to go after? or that what is there is insignificant?
to be clear - in no way do I think she's a fantastic choice - she absolutely was careless with the emails, voted for iraq war, has policies I don't agree with, etc. however, I also think the heat she gets is generally unjustified (and has been found to be unjustified). If I felt voting for johnson would hurt the chances of trump getting elected, he'd have my vote in a heartbeat - but that's not realistic. it's going to be hillary or trump, and given that I disagree with trump on practically every issue, it's kind of an easy vote for me.
>>696816697 yeah, according to Republican smear campaign in Congress, and an FBI report that found no reason to prosecute, but tried hard, beyond the scope of normal investigations, to publicise the conclusions it could not support. when did having a press conference saying she is guilty of all these things (but we don't have evidence for them) become part of "due proccess"?
these are quotes out of context, with no substance - nothing was leaked, she leaked nothing, national security was not breached, Hillary did not set up the server herself, - this is bullshit, republican smear campaign bullshit.
>>696818117 >>696817990 Moreso, I'd like to know why anyone in their right minds would believe Trump has ties with Putin, or furthermore, that Putin has ties with underground global justice hackers in Russia.
If you believe Trump is in bed with Putin, you should literally eat the barrel end of a 12 gauge, you intellectually subpar degenerate.
>>696820251 >obama doubles national debt in 8 years but republicans are wasting all the money singlehandedly yeah k >but the republicans are behind it Oh, yes. So because republicans called for her investigation, we should give her a free pass for her crimes.
>>696823342 you're buying into democrat propoganda if you think benghazi/emails/clinton are just plots against her made by republicans. Those are real things that have caused real consequences. I don't belong to any political parties and i see this shit.
oh wow you're one of those " a vote for independents is a vote for trump" people. You are literally buying into all the bullshit her people are putting out. OF COURSE shes gonna say voting that way is pointless. she wants you to vote for her and she knows you are afraid of trump because of the media campaign to vilify him
>>696823701 >nothing was leaked, Yes it was. The server was unsecured and she was/is a high profile target for foreign intelligence agencies. >she leaked nothing, She literally leaked SAPs (Special Access Programs. Mission Impossible type files) >national security was not breached Yes it was >Hillary did not set up the server herself That's because shes so fucking old she needs aids to help with email
>>696816697 the Lied under oath to congress line is just false. A lie. She did not claim there was only one server - her answers made it clear that she thought they were using a server that had been used since her husband was in office - she did not know that her staff had used several servers. so no lie (how many servers does your email provider use?) she did not lie about the classified documents - it turns our very few were classified at all, they were not marked as such, and they were sent to her and her staff, not created by her. so no lie.
she did not lie about the emails having been vetted by her lawyers - she was asked how this was done and said they used search terms amd looked at every email. turns ot that after investigation the lawyers said they looked at all headings and subject lines, but did not read every email in its entirety. So she was mostly right, and the bit she was wrong about was a mistake, not a lie. it was of no consequence in any case.
there is a difference between mistakes made when being questioned, especially mistakes made when talking about actions by another person (do you know how your lawyer does everything? how your email server is administered? how all your staff act at all times?) and lies.
Clinton did not lie.
the person who posted this picture however, did lie. They deliberately told a lie about Clinton.
>>696817672 Bush was in the pocket of the Koch brothers - and his business dealings (apart from the coke - he always paid for the drugs) were a shambles. give me one confirmed example of Hillary as corrupt. just one.
>>696824485 >but republicans are wasting all the money singlehandedly yeah k
didn't say that - though bush's presidency/policies have a lot to do with debt increasing through obama's. growing debt doesn't just stop growing magically because of a change in presidency.
>Oh, yes. So because republicans called for her investigation, we should give her a free pass for her crimes.
1. no criminal charges. 2. no, we shouldn't simply excuse people simply because they're on the other side of the aisle from the accusers - but we should recognize the bias from which the accusations originate and adjust our own thoughts accordingly.
>>696824031 you do know that Putins friends and Gazprom have been bankrolling Donnie boy for years? that Putin's state propaganda and international propaganda organisations are pro trump? that the hackers involved witht eh DNC emails have been identified as th GRU and the Russian intelligence service - not some underground justice hackers - the actual russian spy system?
if you don't believe that Trump favours Putin, and owes him hundreds of millions of dollars, you are too naive.
>>696824821 she and bill take donations via the clinton foundation or get paid speaking fees in turn they use their influence to help their friends and business partners make $$$. why do you think she has flipped flopped her opinions on NAFTA to gay marriage ? money was the motivator
I'm afraid of trump because of what he says. has 0 to do with the media and everything to do with words coming directly from the man himself.
I don't think a vote for an independent is a vote for trump, I just recognize that this is america and the two party system isn't going to change this election cycle. Hillary has statistically the best chance to beat trump. that's all.
>>696825155 >owes him hundreds of millions of dollars, you are too naive. sounds like bs friend. if what else you said was true, just because putin is shitting on hilary doesn't mean he supports trump. If i had an intelligence agaency at my disposal i'd shit on hilary too. she might become the next president and cause problems for the world.
>>696824485 the national debt was increased by what amount under Bush? the rate of increase has fallen under Obama by how much?
learn to economic history, fool.
every Democratic president since 1918 has reduced the national debt or the rate of increase. Every republican has increased the national debt or its rate of increase. republicans bankrupt the country by giving tax bereaks to their friends and cutting programmes that generate wealth by helping the poor. every fucking time. Voodoo economics.
>>696824708 re: >benghazi/emails/clinton are just plots against her made by republicans
but...they are? the (insert number here) benghazi investigations turned up nothing. the emails, likewise, turned up "no criminal wrongdoing." both of these investigations were done at the behest of republicans urging them on. both failed in getting clinton indicted for anything.
obviously the clinton foundation thing is going to be investigated and, like with everything else, I expect her to be cleared of wrongdoing. if I'm wrong, time will tell.
>>696825302 I can't convince and I'm going to stop trying. You'll see on your own one day. Hilary is an evil woman. You should vote independent to help break the two party system. It's only used to control us further.
>>696825221 I think people can change their minds for various reasons. just saying corruption is not enough. Hillary is pragmatic - not always the most courageous thing to do, but sometimes if you want to get elected to do good things you have to allow that the majority of your electorate are viscious homophobes who will prevent you from doing the good stuff just to fuck over the gays. so you say 2i think it is up tothe states to decide" and get elected and do the good you can, rahter than taking a bullet for the gays and letting republican into power who will fuck the gays really badly, and do lots of other bad shit.
just because we are both active does not mean we are identical. you know, there are lots of people who are not decieved by lying Donnie trump and his repetitive lies. just because a known fraudster and cheater and deal welsher says someone else is a bad person, does not mean that they are actually bad. Lyin' Don is the corrupt one. and treasonous as well - did you see what Leon Pannetta said about him?
>>696823328 >has spent his entire life flip flopping and bending to get money from anyone who will give it to him - and has run openly fraudulent schemes and has openly refused to pay for work done, sued partners and banks to get out of legitimate debts and is generally as criminal as possible without getting locked up
omfg THIS Real estate is among the most cutthroat fucking business that exists. This meme of Trump the incorruptible is seriously one of the most moronic, transparent political lies that has ever been pushed on the public.
>>696827263 the rest of the world is more scared of hilary evidenced by russia being behind the DNC leak. You think russia alone was in favor of that? russia has to worry about stepping on toes too. russian allies were probably all about that shit
>>696826939 It's not even close. That's an excuse to get trump to release them when every other candidate has. She never promised to do it and I really don't care either. Tax returns shows honesty and if you fail to do it then you're clearly hiding something. Don't let trump get away with that.
>>696828440 >are either of them currently running for president? >did any of those corrupt things your speaking of happen during their run for office? >why do you think anyone here is supporting bush? the two idea ( supporting the war monger and hating on hillary clinton) are not mutually exclusive your logic: shitheads did it in the past therefore its ok that shes doing it now
>>696815275 We can't even know. She is definitely scum. Just like every person who becomes president. Our best hope is just that whoever ends up in that seat each cycle considers it politically advantageous to do something that is in our best interests.
They're politicians, man. Consider what kind of corrupt person you have to be to make it that far in the game.
>>696816930 Dude she knew the DNC was favoring her and said fuck all about it, and now they're blaming the russians? the russians didn't write those 20,000 emails, the fuck does it matter that they were hacked
I'm not a big fan of bernie but not only did bernie have to run against hillary he had to run against the DNC .. the organization he is relying on to nominate him ..
>>696819839 you're a dumb faggot if you can't see the naked partisanship at play here. consider the DoJ recommended indicting Petraeus for providing classified info to his biographer, who ALSO HAD FUCKING CLEARANCE. and hillary skates despite obviously doing more damage, including removing classification notices from classified materials.
this is just another example of Obama sweeping problematic shit under the rug
>>696816247 She's chill, alright. She's chilled quite a few people to get where she is. Vince Foster comes to mind. Why do you think Comey didn't recommend indicting her for what he pointed out was obvious violations of federal law? It's because he didn't want to take a dirt nap next to Vince. Seriously, that's a dangerous woman and there have been way too many mysterious deaths around thee Clintons for it to be called coincidental.
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