Johnson because Trump doesn't take a policy stance on anything other than;
>hurrr no mexicans!!1! >no tax for anyone making under $50,000 (impossible)
Plus all the sister fucking rednecks who say he's going to make America great again but then can't come up with the how when pressed for policy other than "illegal imgrints get like $100k from Obama (who's Muzlem by the way) and it hurts the economy. They're exactly like feminists now you recite facts but their feelings are more important than facts.
And the whole of the Democratic Party is corrupt to the core.
>>696763119 If you weren't a retarded cuck you'd know that Trump actually has some pretty good policies. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions But, let's be real, you are, and you're voting for Johnson because you're a spineless faggot who's terrified of winning.
>>696763154 Why would a libertarian be for more regulation? They want the least amount of regulation possible and more personal freedom. If he doesn't own guns it doesn't mean he doesn't support the 2nd amendment.
>>696761190 Trump, he might be many things, but he isn't a murderer-Hillary is a liberal warhawk, she is literally a puppet for the elite and wallstreet. Plus with Trump who knows what the fuck will happen, take a chance with him. Worst case scenario he will be outed in 4 years if he fucks up
>>696761878 Hahaha the republican illusion of adulthood. When in reality they are getting even more fucked in different ways. One thing I learned about aging is that you peak in intelligence in your 20's then you get stupid as fuck when you're 40.
>>696761190 Trump. His idiotic behavior has caused the Republican and Democratic establishment to hate him. He'll have no allies in congress which means he won't be able to do anything. Hillary had the Dems completely behind her and that makes her more dangerous. If I have to choose between two horrible candidates then of course I'm choosing the one who can't do anything over the one who can do a little
I think she's more likely to actually invest in relevant infrastructure like the northeast corridor.
The wall thing is kind of silly, I don't think even Trump believes it will happen.
I prefer Hillary's approach of expanding Obamacare to Trump's approach of starting over and trying to rely on the insurance companies. Ultimately (not that I think she'll reach it either, need a much stronger candidate), a single payer healthcare system will reduce the amount of paperwork regular Americans will have to do and restrictions they will face when seeking medical care.
>>696761190 Let me give you a hint >600 billion to deport undocumented Americans that would be benifical if they were legalized. >disband EPA >deregulating energy sector will bring fuel prices down >multi billionaire pays same tax rate as plumber making $150,001 a year >Verizon pays same tax rate as mom and pop stores >abolish estate tax >35% tariff on China Yeah, not that one.
300 million people in America, why do the same names keep coming up?
I hold a TS and would lose that along with both my jobs if I did what she did with those emails.
Deaths around Clinton campaign are more than peculiar.
The level of media bias I have witnessed.... I was on the cnn website the other day and the article that mentioned the Democratic party emails had a non related trump blasting video as the header. Like WTF??
>>696767059 Except that's not what Trump is doing, he's going further from other nations by expanding the role of insurance companies.
Obamacare is a terrible mess because of weird left/right compromises. But it's the only way to Euro-style single payer in America. And Hillary has the right type of corruption, tediousness, and party support to bring us closer to that. At least more than Trump does.
>>696761190 i don't know if there's a study of syndrome for it but i've noticed a pattern in trump - the fail safe on everything with pandering such a large amount of bullshit something has to be right effect. it's like nostradamus and finding a prediction somewhere in his immense collection of writing. if the media likes him, it's because he's great, if they don't it's because they're bias. if the system works for him it's because he's great, if it doesn't, it's because it's corrupt. if a delegate supports him it's because he's great, if they don't, it's because he didn't want their support anyway. it's honestly the argument skill set of a 12 year old, i have no idea how anyone of any intelligence can listen to his rhetoric and think there is anything but bluff and spineless policy behind it. I am sure he is intelligent in many ways, especially in marketing and breeding confidence where there is little material to be confident - but his ego and lack of character revokes any positives in this man's application to govern.
the first sign of incompetence is charisma - bob ellis
>>696765689 Yeah she's super dangerous! Trying to expand health care and make it more affordable, reform the tax brackets and close loopholes, and push for better tuition assistance! Real scary stuff there!
>>696767059 I agree we can get better results by mimicking other nations, but we can't get there overnight. I mean, look back at the total fuckfest that the government trying to get PPACA to pass. That shit was fucking nuts, and even though we the American people didn't get everything we wanted (i.e. Singlepayer), we atleast got a stepping stone toward universal coverage and care for everyone. I want us to mimick nations that are doing things right, like healtcare, but we can't get there from scratch. We have something to work on as a foundation (Obamacare), let's upgrade that shit so it doesn't suck
>>696762599 hahah that picture is so accurate but let's be real here, anyone of any competence in politics is two faced and has lied - im not sure what you think hillary did that was so wrong, the rest of the world is unsure what fox news has her on trial for, but between trump and her, it's clear who is the most competent and suited for administration. before all of this circus it wasn't even clear trump was a successful business man, unsure what he has actually achieved thus far apart from amassing the weirdos of middle murica
>>696763279 Like hillary has beeb against spying. I'm not impressed. Granted we are kinda fucked because either person/party is really bad for the countery right now. We need more people willing to both make a compromise as well as start publishing reqsons why they voted they way they did.
>>696767416 This anon is right. Trump wanting to expand the role of insurance companies is fucking stupid. They're only goal is to make money, and if you can't see that you are dumber than a rock. The health of any one person should be the top priority of any medical facility, not profits. It's disgusting that our country thinks this way when it comes to people's health; that we need to think how to screw people for the most money. Obamacare is a stepping stone; yes it currently sucks but let's not throw it in the trash and go through the bullshit again to get something that Trump has no solid policy on yet, to pass.
No American is going to vote for him when their health is on the line.
>>696766094 medicare is a fucking joke. I work for a medical equipment vendor and they take 1-3 months to approve payment (which by the way they pay next to nothing). Some people have to wait this long to get coverage for things such as hospital beds and wheelchairs. And that's about all they'll pay for too. If you need anything more specific you're fucked because you trusted Obamacare.
>>696768325 brexit is the most retarded piece of political theatre in recent decades. all that will be achieved will be masses of new legislation to replace the things already sorted by the eu - and guess what, those restrictions will not change, the standards will be set by the eu of what conditions products will be sold from england to the eu, the uk will just receive lower qualities products without as much red tape - for a while until a child chokes on a toy. residency wont change, rights and protections may be lowered to the working visa's in the uk, and business will most likely leave the uk because a more sensible business hub would be brussels or luxembourg. i am at a loss how england could be so moronic
>>696769064 >medicare is a fucking joke without medicare my dad couldn't get the back surgery he needed. he couldn't walk and no insurance company would take him. He had to wait to turn 65 ( I think ) so he could get medicare to help him out.
>>696768703 Competent and suited for administration? What is that based on? Her inability to manage two email accounts? The loss of North Africa to radical Islam? The rise of ISIS? Maybe it's the first US ambassador to die in 100 years on her watch? Or all that legislation she sponsored in the senate? Or the donations from China & mid-east countries? Maybe it's the way she sticks up for women who have been sexually harassed? What exactly has she done, what has she accomplished, that would make anyone think she'd be a good president? Nobody would even know who she was if her husband hadn't been president? I guess that's feminism for you.
>>696761190 Hillary. I hope and pray we can keep the GOP Senate to restrain her, I think she will be a bad President, and we are not at a point in history where we are easily able to withstand a bad President.
But Trump's level of willful, cock-sure ignorance and total unwillingness to understand there are some things that he does not know about governing that it is imperative that he learn... he's scary as fuck.
I hate having to vote for that slimy witch. But that's the only choice I have.
>>696769423 It's the truth. It is in your best interest as a business own to support the community around you. Strong the community and the more financially sturdy everyone around you is, the more they will spend on whatever garbage services you provide or shit products you sell. That's modern economics. Call me what you want, but those are verifiable facts that have been tested and repeated in city after city around the world. Your tax cut will be nice in the short term, but your community will take the fall collectively.
>>696769558 as a society, as progression of civilisation, i would like to see all these basic things sorted so we can spend our time focusing on more purposeful things. food, shelter, medical care, even washing, should be a mass result of taxes so we don't spend our entire lives focusing on the most pointless necessities that the romans had to. am i delusional? i plan to have a secretary when i eventually become a barrister to take care of all this crap, a nanny for the kids and a tutor for their education - if this was world wide like schooling is, it would not only be cheaper but a higher grade as the poorest would receive the same as the wealthiest. why are having the same moronic lives as the 1960s?
>>696761190 Trump is already winning in the polls, he's leading her by 7 points. This election is done. 2 fun things to look forward to : america's own wall of china and the nuking of the isis. After that it'll just be downhill from there.
This will be the first time in my life that I vote Republican. Not a big fan of Trump, but Hillary is just the most untrustworthy candidate I've seen in all my life, so I will vote for Trump to reduce her chances of winning.
>>696767992 It hasn't been fully privatized since before Theodore Roosevelt. Times have changed, but one thing is for sure, the government is too big. People need to stop buying into the idea that government workers know whats best for you.
I am probably going to vote Hillary but only because if trump wins then republicans will gain control of the supreme court and other branches of government and that in the long run will be far worse than any damage either of them can do. That being said I hate hillary and I hate trump. If it looks like he might have a chance I am probably going to vote gary johnson
>>696769765 Don't fall down that slippery slope, m8. I'm only talking about healthcare. How about as a human species we work to provide something as basic as medical care for our fellow person, so then we focus on improving our society for each other so we can accomplish some truly amazing shit?
>>696770780 >Or legalize weed in every state >use revenue from legalization to deport illegals >build wall >keep scum out of America thus being able to pay real Americans more wages >upturn in economics >Profit Suck it bitches
>>696770974 Trump isn't "president material" - He's not a politician. He's something different that we haven't tried before. Is it a GREAT idea to elect him? Probably not. But it's the best we can do.
With Hillary we'll get a known liar. Frankly I'm scared that she will take away more of our freedom with her bullshit ideas. Did you know they plan to make a law to include gender identity in discrimination laws? Then you can play the victim and get offended and sue people as a result!
>>696769790 um her extensive time in office, and successes as secretary of state, but ignore that. her email accounts have been found fine by the body investigating them, no other body has the education or ability so hold onto your horses fox news. and honestly, that's this terrible crime she's committed? really? bush took the nation to war on fake intel of wmd's... and you're comparing this to a woman with email blunders? i think you've bought into this hype a tad too much.
but just to be clear, i don't think anyone can honestly argue that it wasn't the bush administration (senior who created the taliban) junior who invaded afganistan, and then iraq on false pretenses which led to the rise of a destabilized region and isis. no one with a brain can honestly put this on hillary. god knows how fox news has done it but im sure in the next reply you will tell me. also 100 years... um no adolph dubs was killed in 1979. what other rubbish have you got here. legislation she sponsored... yes, people support legislation... donations - yes like everyone else in the white house and especially the bush's, who actually had developments tied in with osama's extended family in saudi arabia. >Maybe it's the way she sticks up for women who have been sexually harassed um what? that's a positive um no, she actually had a blinding success negotiating internationally, maybe read up a little more, it's actually pretty interesting. so much so she is who they based claire underwood on in house of cards.
look i realise im not talking to someone my own age here, but because of this you have an incredible ability to rise up and educate yourself on these matters. no one in politics is entirely innocent or entirely guilty, the only thing you can judge someone on is incompetence, something which trump has proven time and time again in the business world. read about his deals, his bankruptcies, his affiliation - he honestly only has charisma and a narcissism
>>696761190 I'm a liberal but tbh I'd like to see Trump win because I'm curious to see if we actually can take all those jobs back from China. Economists keep saying it's impossible but they might be bought, who knows.
Here's how it's gonna go down, if hillary looks like she's about to fail Obama will try to estate martial law meaning by law he is allowed to stay in office one more term due to emergency needs in American soil. Either way it goes we fucked
>>696771688 bernie was that, trump as a better alternative to hillary. as much as the machine is corrupt - it runs. you have a very real chance of it falling apart if you elect this man child to make executive decisions
>>696771667 Don't try to bring weed into this >build wall An ecological disaster that won't be effective in mitigating illegal immigration >deport the scum >economic upturn You mean to say that you think, spending $300-$600 billon taxpayer dollars deporting 11 million working people, will result in an economic upturn? You are a delusional retard.
Trump because Hitlery ordered the assassination of Seth Conrad Rich for his connection with wikileaks. I know there's no proof but how likely is it that DMC staff member is murdered for "no apparent reason" just a few weeks after the leak was announced?
That's what we'll get with Trump too. Please don't be fooled by divisive politics. Trump is every bit as bad as Hilary with the added benefit of being totally unfit for a political career and dangerous levels of boorishness and narcissism.
>>696768315 >Expand health care On the back of a system that doesn't work >Reform the tax brackets No the fuck she doesnt >Close loopholes Yes, the cheater wants to close loopholes >Push for better tuition assistance That shit is like slapping a bandaid on a missing limb.
>>696772272 look honestly i don't care that much, i am not american - i think this will be hilariously sad if trump gets elected and both the uk and american economies fall flat. but the alternative is china - and that's not a thumb you want the world to be under
>>696772164 But if it falls apart then the people might finally demand change, and we might see some improvement being made to this terribly corrupt election system. Sometimes things need to crash and burn so that you can build it back up better and stronger. I just want this downward spiral we're in to end.
>>696768928 Obamacare has done more to hurt the goddamn healthcare system than anything. It has done a marginal amount of good, and truckloads of shit. It put the final nail in the coffin on an already tenuous system, and let insurance companies run wild. But I guess that's what you get when you draft your plan from Bush, and slap your name on it.
>>696772585 You seem to have the patience to argue so tell me, how is Trump's plan to bring back all those jobs that went to China and Taiwan a bad thing? Prices may rise yes, but unemployment will go down, isn't that a good thing?
>>696772671 4 years of falling apart and you might never come back from it. it already was close to the fall of rome, the only desperate move that trump could make would be more war and frankly i don't think the middle east deserves it. it will be the palestinians no doubt
>>696769736 >Fuckwit detected Medicare is failing due to an unequal amount of give and take. If you dump literally everyone else onto it, it will fracture, and coverage of care will drop even more than it already has with Obamacare >Medicaid Gtfo of here with that shit. That is literally food stamps version of health care, and the coverage of care is atrocious.
>>696772785 has it, has it really or is that just what fox news and their exceptional brains trust has evaluated. every other developed nation (and lets face it, the extensively more intelligent ones than the governments you have built) have an international healthcare system and haven't looked back. i wonder why that is, i wonder why they haven't looked back? please don't be retarded, realise that privatisation is not your friend, it has only been to help large corporations, not the people they are serving.
>>696772087 15% of people would disagree. If any of you cunts had a clue you'd stop participating in partisan elections and vote with a candidate you like rather than the lesser of two evils. Look at literally >literally any other democratic countries elections and it's normally not 2 parties. Be an individual not a sheep
>>696773395 This is true - In my country there's at least 12 parties or something that all get a certain percentage of the votes. The two biggest ones get about 20-30% each though. But with many more options, that means that there's a person in the parliament that hopefully represents your views quite well, that you can vote for.
>>696772819 you will never be able to match china. america is not an island - you are moronic to imagine that any large decision you make doesn't have to be considered in the world market. right now, your standard of living, wages and products are determined by how cheap, how much and how much the world market values them. if you have ting ting motors pay their 12 year old staff 10 cents an hour to make a car in a 60 hour working week - and you give this job to an american. that american needs to under cut, or work hard and longer, or make an inferior product in order to keep that business afloat.
it is easy to say you are bringing jobs back but expect to pay more, have less and pay higher taxes once you cut china and mexico out of the equation
>>696772169 >don't bring weed in this Okay so colorado DIDNTHAVE huge numbers in turn around for the state? >money made from that revenue is used to deport illegals thus opening more jobs for honest Americans meaning more per hour to be paid to those already in the marketplace, meaning extra cash flow flowing to more items for sale which equals revenue last I checked. But I guess who knows ya fucking spic.
>>696771943 Name one success she had as Secretary of State.
Telling me how bad bush was does nothing to tell me what Hillary accomplished. Was Egypt a success? Was Libya a success? Is the war in Syria a success? Was the Crimea a success? Is ISIS a success? All of these things came about well after bush was gone. And even if you want to pretend bush was 100% responsible for everything that went wrong during Obama's administration, what exactly did she do in her time in office to make things better?
As for the emails, do you know of any other Secretary of State who has their emails hacked? You think China and Russia haven't read every single thing that was on her server? And why exactly did she have her own server in the first place?
She's a disgrace by any standard. Bashing bush, trump or sanders doesn't make her any better.
>>696775508 People who are paid a decent wages. You're worried about profits and you're calling Trump supporters conservatives? The left is supposed to care about its working class, did you forget that?
>>696775508 Nigga what US system? Here's some fucking light on the so called US system it's the national debt clock maybe this will clue the rest of you fucks in too on the gravity of America's time period. >http://www.usdebtclock.org
>>696773208 i assure you, that's not the case. every coup is the world is proof that is not a good idea. there's a good reason why businesses (which are what governments really are) only employ people with education and experience, unfortunately, as with the case of trump, nepotism will provide the basic framework and prior built relations to keep a megalomaniac afloat in such esteem that they will imagine they are qualified for a job they are not.
think of the hot girl who is rubbish at blow jobs but thinks she is amazing in every way, no one will ever tell he shes rubbish at blow jobs and by the time someone does, she will attest that it is from a place of jealousy and hatred not fact. trump is cancer, even just as an icon. he is not the direction america should be looking
>>696775960 This whole debt thing is blown out of proportion, it's the norm for most countries nowadays. It's not a problem as long as you can pay the yearly service, this debt is SUPPOSED to be paid back over years, sometimes decades.
>>696775898 You do realize im not american and neither left nor right wing. We have multiple parties in my country.
Higher wage means either less countries will buy your produce or less profits will be made. In both cases you lose out. Why do you think illegals arent viciously prosecuted, america kind of wants them around.
>>696776286 Change the years on the clock fag, tell me if you see a change in anything without some form of changes to turn the red to >green? Also just an fyi the higher the debt, the higher prices become in the market, increasing debt of average Americans more. So remove head from ass and enjoy the fresh air, thanks.
>>696774349 no it really is fox news - middle america and trump supporters get their moronic ideas form nowhere else. look at first responders bill - no where else in the media could say it was a bad idea, and considering tump america believe they are the patriots of america - why the trouble supporting the police and fire depts?
bloated form the 40s - unsure about that matey By the late 1940s anticommunist sentiments and powerful lobbying efforts made the prospects for national health insurance “vanishingly improbable”
every other country doesn't have the republicans shutting down the government like a tempertantrum - it's absolutely childish. and your doctors strike is about contractual matters, as what happens with any corporation employer stand off - they aren't fighting to demolish their health system you moron. jesus, explaining british politics to americans is painful
>>696776609 Again, you're conflating the interest of the RICH with the interest of the American people, especially poor people. Outsourcing, illegal immigration and automation benefits bosses and CEOs while fucking over the working class. It's that way everywhere, including here in Europe.I'm French btw.
Hillary, because trump is basically a vaporware politician. He constantly contradicts himself, makes shit up and has not offered a single viable plan. His entire foreign policy statement so far has consisted of him promising to make "great deals" and isolationist policies which given current trade agreements would literally bankrupt us. If he managed to deliver it would be by first completely destroying our international relationships and then renegotiating. In the time between the two actions our stock market would crash. We would literally have to rebuild our entire economy. Millions of businesses would have go bankrupt. It's the stupidest plan I've ever heard. Plus he hasn't even said how he's going to make these "great deals" or with whom. So there is no guarantee that we'd reach stage two. Don't get me wrong. I hate Hillary. She's a rat faced tyrant who thinks censorship is an acceptable measure to curb violence, even though it's never been proven that violent media causes people to be violent. In fact violent crime is approaching historic lows in America. When I say historic I'm actually including pre Colombian. A couple mass shootings doesn't make up for the overall drop. The god damned 20's had more violent crime. Even the 90's were more violent. Yet I'm forced to back her because trump would be the end of our nation. Why is this happening?
>>696777146 Mais t'oublies que c'est les profits des grandes boites qui permettent un salaire a la famille moyenne.
Si le cout du personnel augmente en ce cas il y airait moins de profit pour la companie. Et je t'assure que les riches vont garder leur part. Cest toujours les pauvres qui vont souffrir. Ce que tu decris cest l'idee de "trickle down economics". Mais ca a deja ete bien prouve que ca ne fonctionne pas.
La meilleur facon de faire cest comme nous et vous. Ce de taxer les salaires des riches directement. Comme ca les profits de la boites ne sont pas touché, les salaires ne sont pas touché. Juste les salaires des riches.
Avec cette argent de taxe le gouvernement peut investir dans les besoin social du pays. Leducation, la sante, linfrastructure.
>>696771943 >but just to be clear, i don't think anyone can honestly argue that it wasn't the bush administration (senior who created the taliban) junior who invaded afganistan, and then iraq on false pretenses which led to the rise of a destabilized region and isis. no one with a brain can honestly put this on hillary. god knows how fox news has done it but im sure in the next reply you will tell me. also 100 years... um no adolph dubs was killed in 1979.
>>696778101 >trickle down economics Je t'assure que non, bien au contraire! J'ai vraiment horreur de ça. En fait je parlais de protectionisme tout simplement, il suffit de regarder l'Argentine. L'état du pays n'est pas parfait mais le protectionisme a fait mécaniquement baisser le chômage, c'est indéniable.
>>696774753 ok just one, she maintained the 2010 negotiations between the palestinians and israel when it all but broke down, that success earnt her Clinton maintained her high approval ratings during 2010. " An aggregation of polls taken during the late portion or all of 2010 showed that Clinton (and her husband as well) had by far the best favorable-unfavorable ratings of any key contemporary American political figure." and this was honestly just a random pick of the bunch. it was only when fox news saw as a potential threat did they decided to try disseminate her. im sorry, im not sure hillary started a war in egypt or libya... im not exactly sure what you're talking about... im unsure what hillary has to do with these up risings in your mind...
ok, she had her email hacked... and yes the security services are breached like literally every day to a certain degree... and as they went through her emails the authority in charge found there was nothing sensitive of dangerous in her pile... everyone in office at some stage or another has their privacy breached... it's really not a big deal. i know fox is doing it's best to make it a big deal, but it just simply isn't. like what is the angle on this, her email breach cost american lives? surely invading iraq, killing all those us soldiers and the rise of isis as a subsequent cause of it - and every terrorist bombing since then is the cause of something a bit more serious than emails....
you realise 10 thousand of those isis soldiers are carrying american made m4s....
i am still at a loss at how she is such a disgrace. i don't think im missing any facts here, i think you've just bought into thise insanity that having your email hacked is the worst crime that anyone can commit... :/
>>696776757 the thing is im not, and the educated class isn't and anyone who grades higher than 100 on an iq test doesn't. charisma doesn't carry you, i know he keeps saying hes the one for the job and how great he is, but only the middle inbreds of murica could believe word over actions
>>696778630 Je ne suis pas en desaccord avec proteger les frontieres. Il le faut. Mais faut aussi etre realiste. La situation en argentine nest pas la meme qu'en amerique. Jcrois pas quil y a plusieurs gens qui veulent travailler dans les champs ou les lignes de production.
Ils vont simplement permettre plus dimmigration a long terme puisque cest limmigration a court terme qui apporte les clan destins.
>>696778574 Not true. He was a slum lord. As far as the hilarious claim that Hillary Clinton had people knocked off, why would she bother? If you can get away with murder then unless you're a psychopath you'll find another way to get away with whatever a murder would be required for. The risk to reward factor for a public figure in American politics when it comes to murder is almost always skewed towards not doing it. You blackmail, bribe, have evidence planted, trump up charges, and talk your way out of any scandal.
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