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Is Hillary Clinton the most corrupt major US presidential

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Is Hillary Clinton the most corrupt major US presidential candidate ever?
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No we've all just gotten better at the internet.

From Reagan til now, they've all been equally corrupt.
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>>696756136
/Thread
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>>696756022
sorry, Presidents. Not all candidates have been corrupt.
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>>696756022
maybe, but not by a huge margin. she's just had really fucking deep investigations into her life lately, so everything is being drug out into the light of day.

she's still a psycho bitch though, so do us all a favor and write your own name on the ballot
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>>696756251

Nah Hillary's more corrupt.
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>>696756022
For sure.
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>>696756469
> so everything is being drug out into the light of day.

except for everything she deleted and everything under gag order
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>>696756022
"ase-uh beeza boatin' fuh
Hillbuhree Rodman Clibuhmuhtun!"
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>>696756469

Hillary lies about everything. Literally everything, it's her first reaction. Her kneejerk response to being asked a question is to lie about it.

Take the trip to Bosnia, where she claimed to have landed under "heavy sniper fire," and be rushed to safety. There was no reason in the world, literally NO reason in the whole fucking world to lie about that. And yet she fabricated some huge bullshit story.
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>>696756136
Indeed
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>>696756022
Google: Tammany Hall
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She wants to be the head cunt. Too bad she's already a piece of shit and now head cunt power is coming. Trump is a shill driving the vote to Hillary. I am sitting back watching the shit show.
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>>696756588
Iran Contra, the invasion of Iraq. Monumental corruption.
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>>696756022

Ever notice how every time Hillary and Bill come under question the answer is always that they can't remember, or they didn't know they couldn't do that, or they weren't told about the law in this instance?

Everyone talks about how much the Clintons get away with, but no one ever talks about how UTTERLY FUCKING USELESS they are in every office they have ever held. Especially Hillary.

Bill was decent, but Hillary is an inefficient negligent piece of shit.
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>>696756818
oh believe me, i know more about her past than most. she's pretty bad. but i've got dirt on a lot of other people, and to be honest, although she stands out, she's not exactly orders of magnitude worse.
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>>696756818


yeah. i could never vote for her. not gonna sell my soul
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Itt: Republicans forget they're responsible for Nixon
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>>696757860
Dumbass it's both sides. You fell into divide and conquer, congrats you're gullible human cattle.
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>>696757244
>I know more about her past than most

Sure you do Snowden. We believe you.
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damn Americans dont know what actual corruption looks like if they think Hillary is the biggest offender.
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>>696757996
>mfw convicted felon
>mfw voting is for pussies
>mfw it doesn't matter who wins. Ever.
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>>696758200
She's on par with our best at it and she's not even president yet.
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>>696757860

>Seems to have forgotten that it was Republicans who kicked Nixon's ass out.
>Also conveniently forgets that Nixon's transgressions are far less than what Obama and Hillary Clinton have done for the last 8 years.

Did you conveniently forget anything else important?
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>>696758321
yeah clinton is totally on par with government officials in north korea sudan and somalia
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>>696758384
So you counter me with Republican buyers remorse over Nixon and think you won the argument?

Trump voters really are fucking redneck idiots.
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>>696756022
>>696756022
sadly no
shes just bad at not getting caught
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>>696758583
Talking about American presidents.
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>>696758384

You brought up history mate. Not even remotely relevant to fucking anything.

And then couldn't even defend your comment.

And then topped it off by calling me a Trump supporter.

Any other stupid you'd like to put on the table?
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>>696758917
I'm not stupid enough to quote myself during an argument.

U rustled bro?
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>>696758619

For that matter, if you really want to talk history, let's talk history.

It was the democrats who voted AGAINST the civil rights act of 1964. There's your fucking history.
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>>696756022
Not even close. But she has no guile and even less charisma, so the corruption clings to her and she can't just brush it off like most politicians do. It's hubris, really. She's not a likeable person, but she's determined to grab the one job where likeabilty is everything.
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>>696759436
Fun fact: The parties have changed.
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>>696759138
People have wiped the floor with your stupid assertion that it's only Republicans. Clinton and Obama have been continuation of the same overarching neo-liberal and neo-conservative policies that increase wealth inequality, perpetuate war and further push America into a police state.

I seriously can't believe people can't see this.
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>>696756588
Nah
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>>696756022
>>696756022
sadly no
shes just bad at not getting caught
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>>696759436
>implying the civil rights act of 1964 was a good idea
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>>696759573
You really need to stay off of tumblr. You're starting to sound like them.
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She might be corrupt, but at least she isn't a Russian cock loving traitor like Donald Trump, Putin's puppet.
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>>696760097
Never been to tumblr in my life, try an argument this time. You're being fucked in every single way and they split you into two groups split only by social wedge issues while you're being exploited economically, paying for wars they sell to you on lies and further erode any rights that you had.

Wake the fuck up.
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>>696756136
Bingo. Hillary is perhaps the most sloppy though. If nixon pulled watergate today, he'd walk just like hillary is.
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>>696759436
>>696759436

A stupid line parroted by stupid people. Know where those Democrats who didn't like the civil rights bill came from? The South. They were called the Dixicrats. Know where they went after the civil rights bills passed? THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Where they have remained ever since. The South used to be a giant blue area in elections. Now it's red. That changed when the Dems supported civil rights.

So yeah, the Dixicrats didn't support civil rights. And when the rest of the Dems did they became Republicans.

Now go read a fucking book, you moron.
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>>696760316
Want an argument? Fine.

>you're being fucked in every single way
What else is new? That's not news... that's life.

>social wedge issues
Only tumblrinas care about social wedge issues. Real men care about feeding their families.

>being exploited economically
>paying for wars they sell to you on lies
Google "Vietnam" and "Lyndon Johnson", then come back to me.

>erode any rights that you had
What rights are those exactly? I haven't lost any since the last time I checked.

Support your own argument kid. The burden of proof is on you.
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>>696760507

Well now that's a cool bit of history. Thanks.
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>>696760507
Isn't it hilarious when 15 year olds think they know politics?
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>>696761285
>Only tumblrinas care about social wedge issues. Real men care about feeding their families.

If you believed that you wouldn't be falling for the idea that the democratic parties and republican are different in important ways.


>Google "Vietnam" and "Lyndon Johnson", then come back to me.

Every shitty thing about Vietnam and the American people that happened then is happening today, some of which is on a larger scale.
>What rights are those exactly? I haven't lost any since the last time I checked.

Then you're not paying attention. We are in a state of emergency since 2001 and it has only increased in severity.
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>>696761752
>different in important ways
I never claimed they were different at all. Are you fucking illiterate?

>happened then is happening today
Really? There was a draft? When?

>state of emergency
You being over sensitive because you were raised by a single mother and grew up to be a manchild with more estrogen than testosterone is not a state of emergency. Your feelings are not a national crisis. Transgender bathrooms are not important at all.

Your problem is you bought into the Facebook driven propaganda machine, which itself is fueled on misinformation and shit taken so far our of context it's pathetic.

Once you hit your 30s, you'll realize that it is in fact YOU that is the blind sheep being led down the wrong path. I just hope you make it there, because I would hate to see anything bad happen to you while you're out there championing a cause that everybody knows is an absolute joke.
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>>696756818
Literally everything??

That eliminates you from the "truth" pool.
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>>696760507
You haven't been keeping up. The current dogma in GOP circles is that all those Dixiecrats just quit politics and faded away, and the massive influx of support to the GOP that coincidentally started around the same time were an entire OTHER group of people.
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>>696758384
Wow, that's bullshit.

Nixon and the Watergate cover up were FAR worse.
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>>696762901
>implying that dixiecrat philosophy couldn't have permeated the GOP after 50 years
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>>696762737
>I never claimed they were different at all. Are you fucking illiterate?

You engaged me because I said that the parties were not different.

>Really? There was a draft? When?

Don't change the subject. My point is and has been wars sold on lies.

Your whole other stupid faggot rant misses the point entirely. Your civil liberties have been curtailed by being rendered conditional and are only valid outside of the concept of political dissent. I don't give a shit about bathrooms scumbag.

You cannot faithfully represent my points because you are wrong and will bitch and change the subject to avoid that truth being revealed. Pussy.
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>>696763135
That's what I was saying when I brought up Nixon in the first place.

Thanks for the validation anon.
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>>696759573
Comrade, I see it all too well.

But, Trumpler is dangerous as well as corrupt.

Only a people's revolution will clean the slate.
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>>696763717
I've given up on the idea of fighting back. They are far far too powerful. I just love to shit on dumbasses who cannot see just how ruled over they actually are.
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>>696763273
you're one of the biggest retards i've seen today mate, good job being a mouthbreather scum
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>>696764420
This is what it feels like to be wrong. Recognize it, because it surely happens a lot to you and it's something you should change.
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>>696763273
You have literally proved that you're 15 years old. Let's see how.

First, you have no idea what a political party is. It is painfully obvious. Second, you never made any claim other than that I was wrong, then you threw up a big smoke screen and put your fingers in your ears.

>wars sold on lies
You obviously did not Google Vietnam like I told you to. Your ignorance is forgivable, but your unwillingness to learn is not.

>civil liberties being curtailed
Not in the least friend. I am a white man in my 30s with a union job. I have never been, nor will I ever be in a position to have my civil liberties infringed upon.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think civil liberties even are? I bet you are ignorant of that too since you've incorrectly used them as an argument twice.

>cannot faithfully represent my points
You're righthe, but that's only because you haven't made a valid one yet. When you do, I will give you credit.

>Truth being revealed
Truth about what exactly? The only truth I see here is "I hate Hillary Clinton because my disreputable sources that I have yet to name told me to and I always do what Facebook tells me to". If that's wrong, then prove it.
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>>696759515
Not according to wikileaks
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>>696763135

Far worse than shipping firearms illegally to drug lords in Mexico?

Far worse than allowing 4 Americans to die in Benghazi?

Far worse than using the IRS to target conservative political opponents?

Far worse than lying to the American people point blank about the Affordable Care Act?

Far worse than disenfranchising the people of the U.S. by changing laws through executive order rather than allowing the congress to do it?

Far worse than exposing our confidential national information to the outside world by stubbornly using unprotected email servers in clear violation of the law?

Far worse than ordering the Justice Department to target reporters and journalists of the AP?

Far worse than giving nearly $600 million dollars to a friend of Michelle Obama to design a website that was complete shit by the time it was needed?

Far worse than refusing to prosecute members of the New Black Panther party for clear violations of civil rights?

I actually may be wrong. Maybe the Watergate scandal was worse. But that was one scandal. Just one. And Nixon was chased out of office for it. Again, by the Republicans, who defended him at first and then dumped him when the evidence was clear.

Unlike Obama and Hillary, who have tons of evidence against them, and yet their supporters keep supporting them. Hell, most democrat voters don't even know anything about them.
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>>696764655
Well, sometimes I'm wrong, I admit it freely, not a whole lot though. About you mate, though, I'm absolutely 100% right. The big fucking idiot you are. Go to sleep boy, you gotta go to middle school tomorrow.
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>>696764861
>You obviously did not Google Vietnam like I told you to. Your ignorance is forgivable, but your unwillingness to learn is not.

I am and only have been talking about since 1980. Vietnam being sold on a lie does not make wars after it sold on an accurate depiction of reality, in fact it really only gives support to my argument that this is and has been the norm.

Not in the least friend. I am a white man in my 30s with a union job. I have never been, nor will I ever be in a position to have my civil liberties infringed upon.

>Just out of curiosity, what do you think civil liberties even are? I bet you are ignorant of that too since you've incorrectly used them as an argument twice.

You know, the bill of rights and your general constitutional rights.

>"I hate Hillary Clinton because my disreputable sources that I have yet to name told me to and I always do what Facebook tells me to"

This isn't just about Hilary, I don't use facebook, and everything I'm saying is backed by declassified information, mainstream media articles, leaked documents and a step above basic history of the united states.

You're an embarrassment.
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>>696765331
Hang yourself in your closet tonight.
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>>696763135
The Watergate scandal was that Nixon knew that the DNC had a file of hookers for visiting party members, and he wanted to nab it for blackmail. The team he hired got caught, and he dodged until he left.... with a 57% approval rating.

You fuckers would have LOVED Watergate. Almost the precursor to wikileaks. But since, Nixon is the villain.
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>>696765524

Rush me to the burn ward guys, we are dealing with mr heavyweight here

Pathetic faggot. You are at least entertaining.
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>>696765630
Watergate was fucking child's play. I don't know why people get so hung up on that shit compared to other conspiracies that have been revealed. Iran-Contra combined with the war on drugs is arguably the most disgusting and insane conspiracy that has ever been revealed in our history.
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I doubt she is the most corrupt candidate but honestly Andrew Jackson is the worst president who comes to mind.
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>>696765388
>you're an embarrassment
I've got some bad news for you friend.

Keep taking your red pill and keep believing your own lie. It's actually better that you think I'm the idiot here, because then you'll learn a hard lesson, and when you do, you will remember that I tried to help you stop being a sheep and you responded by throwing propaganda in my face like the insolent teenager you are.

If you were my kid, I'd take your keys away for a month and make you go to summer school for being such a whiny little shit.

Grow some balls and accept that nothing you whine about will ever be taken seriously. When you do finally grow up, you'll learn that the only thing that actually matters is what happens within 20 feet of you. The rest is out of your control and always will be. Best to just ignore it.

I also hope you don't get cyber bullied or picked on when you start school back up in 3 weeks.
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>>696756022

Absolutely.

I used to say Hillary was the most corrupt politician since W. Bush but she is waaaay more corrupt that Bush jr. ever was.
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>>696766299
Lol nice temper tantrum you fucking pussy.
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>2016
>wannabe edgy coolies thinking Hillary Clinton is even remotely as corrupt/evil as Donald Trump.
>actually believing every single laughable "scandal" Republicants cook up despite them being thoroughly debunked by their own party
>"hurr durr well den its a cunzpiracie cuz sum criminal billionaire sayd so!"
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>>696765870
Absolutely! It was convoluted, had multiple angles, there were sacrificial lambs, entire regions still fighting today. But you say "watergate" and people foam at the mouth, when in truth it was a cute story by comparison to the real dark and twisted shit.
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>>696766608
Agreed man.
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>>696756022
never even indicted for any crime

cleared of any wrongdoing in benghazi

actually called for more security before benghazi happened and republican congress couldn't give two shits

not charged for email snafu

other senators do the same fucking thing, they are all just technotarded old people

i think you don't have a leg to stand on
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>>696766452
You might as well have just said "I know you are but what am i"

I'm done with you child.
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>>696766517
>not as bad as Trump
>not as bad as Hillary
>not as bad as

That is the 2016 presidential election. No need for any other ads.
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>>696766853
I answered your arguments and you went on a long winded rant about how I was a teenager, despite the fact that I'm in my mid 20's and you didn't touch a single point I made in that post.

You had a temper tantrum with insults because you got blown the fuck out like the squishy brained retard and unoriginal thinker that you are.
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>>696763135
>tfw government officials and media colluded to propagandize the watergate scandal to distract the public from cointelpro.
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>>696766452
jesus christ this fucking guy is hilarious
who knew you could be this retarded
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>>696767149
You. Made. No. Points.

Learn how to argue before you come back to me kid.
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>>696756022
Warren Gamiliel Harding.
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>>696767514
He's so triggered it's actually kind of sad.

... and he hasn't made one actual argument. He's just parroting buzz words he saw on tumblr and cnn.

It's actually kept me in this thread.
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>>696767439
Don't forget artichoke, mockingbird, mkultra and artichoke.

>>696767514
>guy doesn't address my arguments and does an insult rant in place
>him and his little fuckboy expect anything but dismissal

Congrats, you're a low IQ fuckstain.

>>696767643
I addressed every single one of your points and you quoted my closing insult, ignored everything else and tried to attribute immaturity to me. Funny because insults in place of arguments really is a huge sign that you're a childish little faggot.

The reason you're not touching what I said is because you have nothing and are too insecure to admit being wrong.
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>>696766971

So you're implying that it's better to allow a candidate (who even military experts and analysts say would put the entire world in danger) to win by sitting back and doing nothing, than voting for someone who is 1/10th as shady, has immeasurably more experience in public office and who her own enemy stated is a great secretary of state? You do know that choosing the lesser of two evils in such an important election IS the safest, moral bet, right?
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>>696767439
>tfw most of the biggest news stories from the moon landing to 9/11 are false
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Madam President!
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>>696767951
You greentext ed what I said and then didn't answer it. At all.

You're stuck in an infinite loop of media propaganda and political campaign commercials.

Try slamming your head in mom's car door and then actually read the conversation again. I'm hoping that'll reboot you.
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>>696768034
<---- /x/
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>>696766848
>never even indicted for any crime
Because gulity people never get away with crime from because they are rich. Oh wait...
>cleared of any wrongdoing in benghazi
Wrongfully cleared, thanks again to power and wealth
>actually called for more security before benghazi happened and republican congress couldn't give two shits
You are confusing her for John Kerry now.
>not charged for email snafu
Once again money talks.
>other senators do the same fucking thing, they are all just technotarded old people
They all suck too, but it is bad when she is the front runner for worst.

i think you don't have a leg to stand on
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>>696756022

You tell them, Goy, the Republican party is the party of Israel, the party of true Americans!

Glad to see the RNC is trying to mobilise the unemployed neckbeard demographic.
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>>696768311
Same board anymore, just less porn
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>>696768182
I greentexted each of your points and responded to them, then you did this little bitchfit>>696766299
rather than addressing anything I said.

Why? Because you have nothing and the insecurity of being proven wrong caused you to have a hostile reaction and furiously type on your keyboard about your fantasies of me being a child to distract yourself from the fact that you got intellectually raped.
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>>696761285
This is the dumbest shit ever, you fucking ignoramus. Just because you're too dumb to see what is going on in plain site, doesn't mean it's not happening.
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I'm gonna worship the ground she walks on like a good slave. All of you should do the same, bow down to Goddess Hillary and devote yourselves now before it's too late
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>>696756022

>most corrupt major US presidential candidate ever?

Hmmmm....I'm not sure there were some pretty absurdly corrupt politicians in the late 1800s.

That said the Clinton Foundation, a charity that has raised $2 billion for the Clintons while paying out only 15% of that amount is pretty spectacularly corrupt.

Sauce...

http://reason.com/archives/2016/07/27/clinton-cash

I'd say she's the most corrupt presidential candidate of the past 100 years since the Clinton Foundation didn't exist until after Bill was President.
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>>696768368

Not the guy you were talking to but your brainwashed level is over 9000
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>>696756022
yes
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ITT: salty sweaty try hards firing greentext like bullets
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>>696766406
>I used to say Hillary was the most corrupt politician since W. Bush but she is waaaay more corrupt that Bush jr. ever was

prove it. you'd be a world famous investigative reporter if you could prove even one tiny little shred of corruption in clinton's career, because no court of law has ever indicted her for a single crime, and no governmental agency has ever found her guilty of any violations in terms of accepted donations. so basically, you are talking out your ass right? right? talking right out your ass like you know something, when you are a stupid school kid parroting bullshit you heard online. have a nice night kid, only 4 more weeks then back to school.
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>>696768584
>>Support your own argument kid
>fails, just flings shit
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>>696767439
>tfw Deep throat was FBI covering for the CIA.
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>>696756022
Yes.

This makes her uniquely qualified to run our empire.
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>>696768943
That's another guy. You are an idiot and multiple people noticed.
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>>696768639

>Refers to reason.com
>actually thinks that that 15% statistic hasn't already been torn to shreds by fact checkers
>"hurr durr fact checkers are in da conspiracy to"
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>>696768835
Serious question, side from your insane collection of knives and fedoras, do you do anything but bicker online?
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>>696756022
what the fuck do you expect from a liberal hippie?
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>>696768639
>>696769107

You don't like my source ehhhh?

Alright lets see yours fuck stain.
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>>696769182
>implying Hillary hasn't spent millions on internet astroturfing
>implying people defending her online with well known PR tactics aren't paid to do so
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>>696760316
>>696760097

you're both total faggots
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>>696769435
Maybe someone cares about your opinion.
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>>696769431
>implying I didn't know that
>implying anyone who would do so, doesn't have an impressive collection of knives and fedoras
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>>696768375
thats hilarious seeing as how the vast majority of jews vote democrat because they hate christians and repubs are mostly christians.

nice try though faggot
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>>696768182
That's what I thought fuckstick. Silence.

Mix all the booze and pills in your house in a cocktail, down it and close your eyes. The world will be a better place for everyone tomorrow.

I've had my fun with you.
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>>696769322

"Fiorina and others are referring only to the amount donated by the Clinton Foundation to outside charities, ignoring the fact that most of the Clinton Foundation’s charitable work is performed in-house. One independent philanthropy watchdog did an analysis of Clinton Foundation funding and concluded that about 89 percent of its funding went to charity."

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/bill-hillary-chelsea-clinton-foundation/478

That's a higher percentage than most religious charities by the way.
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Yes with a close second being Trumpty Dumpty
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>>696769993
Because that report couldn't possibly be bought.

Jesus christ.
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>>696770240

Look at how flimsy and desperate your counterargument looks.
Just look at it.
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>>696770394
Like your dick.
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>>696765235
this guy gets it
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>>696763135
...but hillary took part in the watergate cover up....
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>>696756022
She shops here, she like em big black and football shaped

streamboobs.com
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>>696770564

>demolished in political argument that he started himself
>"I know...I'll make a dick joke so it makes my debate loss less noticeable"
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>>696759515
sadly democrats still hold niggers as slaves using welfare and social security to keep them chained. wasn't it a democrat prez who said "he'd have these niggers voting democrat for the next 200 years"?
k
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>>696771219
Not even the same guy moron.
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>>696771410

>tries this hard
>"hurr durr like a dick cuz I'm 12"
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>>696770394
Fuck off shillfag
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>>696771665
It's OK. It's limp uselessness is a perfect metaphor for your life.
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>>696760507
except republicans have always been in favor of civil rights. nice try though faggot
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>>696771905

There is no need to be upset about losing an argument on the internet. You'll recover I promise.
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>>696756022

BERNIEBROS -

SPREAD

THIS

LIKE

THE

ZIKA

VIRUS

IN

THE

OLYMPIC

VILLAGE

I WANT TO SEE THIS ALL OVER FUCKING FB AND TWITTER

SO SPREAD IT
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>>696772119
They were in favor of civil rights up until they handed their party over to angry southern white conservatives (also known as Dixiecrats).

It's amazing how alt-right virgins with anime nazi waifus can shitpost about the GOP being the "real" anti-racist party and think they are somehow fooling anyone.
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>>696773781
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>>696773905
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dick cheny
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>>696773867
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>>696756818
She said she heard sniper fire.

Keep recyclin' them talkin' points.
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>>696774462
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>>696758384
>>Obama out of nowhere

Well, I guess I'm not voting for Obama in November, thanks!
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>>696774462

There's so many.

What ones do you want to start with?
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>>696774462
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>>696761285
>>Only tumblrinas care about social wedge issues. Real men care about feeding their families.

Conservative social wedge issues in the last 10 years:
Regulating Marriage
Regulating Abortion
Regulating Rest Rooms
Regulating US citizenship
Regulating Military Enlistment by US Citizens
Regulating Voting Rights
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>>696774947
And then this happened instead
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>>696774767
i hate Hillary a lot but this directors previous movies were shit and lies. He's just playing off gullible neo-cons to try and get more bank. You shouldn't need a movie to tell you that Shillary is trash anyway.
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>>696775431
Convicted Felon Dinesh D'Souza is still triggered by having to actually be held personally responsible for his crimes.
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>You shouldn't need a movie to tell you that Shillary is trash anyway.

What about a book?
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>>696756022
Not as bad as bush jr. But equally as corrupt as nixon
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>>696758619
Nixon never did anything in Watergate, those were his supporters who did sneaky shit without even consulting him beforehand.

Did Nixon try to cover it up? Of course. It was sneaky bullshit that people would blame him for despite it having been done by his lackeys without his knowledge until after the fact.

And don't forget the good that Nixon did. He was a master of foreign policy, and paved the way for diplomacy between the commies and the US by using China.

Nixon was pretty corrupt, but he wasn't nearly as bad as the corruption you see today, not even close. People just get so retarded about Nixon because of him trying to cover up Watergate.
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