http://www.p4rgaming.com/pokemon-creator-admits-games-aimed-towards-satanists/ ---------------------------------------------- This pokemon game is getting very popular now. It is a great deception to take this as a game. It is not. It is satan's plan to bring demons and witchcraft into the church. Many Christians are being deceived and they are addicted.
May the Holy Spirit lead us into the truth. With the power of the Holy Spirit we can bind and loose such demons. May we have the discernment and resist being addicted to this game which is tailored for satanism and witchcraft.
This game is also based on the mythology and animist religious history of Japan which is Shintoism which teaches that the world is inhabited by thousands of kami, or gods. When made offerings of food and incense, kami bestow good luck in business, studies and health, but when disrespected, they can turn vindictive. The water/ground Pokémon Whiscash bears a strong resemblance to namazu, a catfish who causes earthquakes in Japanese mythology; meanwhile, grass/dark Pokémon Shiftry is clearly a tengu or goblin. Together with the slightly more sinister yōkai (monsters), kami inhabit trees, rivers, rocks and other natural phenomenon, including thunder and lightening.
Similarly, Pokémon also live in trees, rivers, rocks and the sky. In Pokémon Go, when offered food and incense, Pokémon become your allies, rewarding players with points and special items. Alternatively, they can run away or resist capture. It is creating an emotive tie between digital technologies and the spirit or soul. It has become a religion by itself and to Christians, this is idolatry.
>>696644867 i am not op pokemon = pocket monsters= based on demonic japanese shinto ideas about "gods" aka demons/evil entities inhabiting the land. the game pokemon about capturing and hanging out with demon creatures that you take care of, its satanism
also the botnet is ino pokemon go which is not surprising
>>696647040 >>696647233 so your saying science is retarded? do you not understand the concept of a primary source?
our curent best theory is that we dont know why stuff miraculously was created out of nothing and space was created to put that something into in such a phenomenal way that it defies the very consistency created by the happening
>>696645816 the big bang theory to which you refer is a THEORY. not fact. and it has only escaped being discredited so long by evading the laws of physics. "before the big bang the universe didn't exist, so the laws of physics didn't exist" you can't disprove a theory about something that happened without physics, fucknut
>>696647503 >our curent best theory is that we dont know why stuff miraculously was created Falso, our currently best theory is that stuff expanded very rapidly from a very small state >out of nothing we don't know what the universe was like before the big bang. It could have been literally non-existent, or a collapsed previous universe, or any other kind of singularity rupturing violently enough. So far, we can't even describe t=0, but we come close >and space was created to put that something into in such a phenomenal way that it defies the very consistency created by the happening incomprehensible. Rephrase that part and try again.
And this, dear kids, is why you don't cherry-pick in science. Produces nothing but dangerous half-knowledge.
satan(not its name at the time) was sooo jealous-loser for not being equal to God that it used Gods gifts in the incorrect way and told gossip to angles that got duped and tried to take down God. God said NAH and btfo out of heaven. satan is till such a loser that it doesnt repent and tries to mess everyone else up bc it cannot be forgivin and it wants other people to be a loser too
God allows satan to pull shit bc God is in command and ultimately gives ever lasting life to those that follow and obey God by accepting the Holy Spirit and obey Jesus Christ and living as He did.
one day (happening now) satan will try to do some super crazy evil stuff on the whole world and almost everyone will agree to join in (happening now with NWO) and at some point Jesus comes back and btfo satan and throws him in a pit. and Jesus rules on earth for 1000 years, then satan tries one last time to fight even still after it is let out a final time and Jesus throws him and all tht follow satan including evil entities into the lake of fire where they either perish forever and ever and or are literally destroyed into non existence, and God reigns forever and Gods people live with God in a type of holy vore thing
>>696647503 Also >so whats your answer other then God? "We don't know" And because we don't, we keep investigating. Retards like you see a gap in our knowledge, not yet being filled by scientific study, and immediately jump the gun and scream GOD DID IT. And because of that very behavior, we think of you people as being retarded.
>>696647609 listen, you fucking atheist you are nothing more than a fucking satanist and god knows that you are going to rooten in hell how can a person be so idiot, how can a fucktard like you be happy about the original sin!!!! how in the world can a sane person praise fucking Satan!!!!
>>696648413 it is the best ideas we have, we know how, but not why. the thing that created the laws of physics(BBT) is not explained by science it is only described in bservation not why/how it happend just what happend after it happened.
so you saying God is not possible is not an accurate statement >>696648487 >Falso, our currently best theory is that stuff expanded very rapidly from a very small state no shit dude, we dont know why that happened or how the matter even got there in the first place
what im getting at is that science starts AFTER "it happened"
there are no physical laws that can explain how the big bang was possible
i believe the impetus that made it possible is God
>>696649164 >listen, you fucking NON-BELIEVER >you are nothing more than a BELIEVER in satan >*keeps arguing as if imaginative friends are real kek You can't into logic, and not even into religion. Seems like you fail on all regards.
>>696649366 >there are no physical laws that can explain how the big bang was possible False, with enough energy we can reproduce it in simulations quite easily. What we don't know is what allowed so much energy being present in such small space.
>i believe the impetus that made it possible is God see >>696648923 >Retards like you see a gap in our knowledge, not yet being filled by scientific study, and immediately jump the gun and scream GOD DID IT. >And because of that very behavior, we think of you people as being retarded. Repeating the same bullshit doesn't let you look any better.
>>696650151 Only if he thinks Luzifer is real. I can guarantee you, no Atheist does. We just take the "facts" from your "holy" book and interpret them to our liking, purely out of the reason to mock you. And you respond like a child, believing that we are serious. Grow up. You got brainwashed.
>>696648750 thats saying the universe is God. God=the primary source,truth >>696649262 thats my theory, i do not plan on being apart of that group though. Jesus said know ones knows the exact hour and that He will come like a theif in the night to take His bride(all those who love and follow Jesus Christ will either die from the stuff happening on earth or be captured in some way. later on everyone/these people are brought back to life to be finally judged by God) >>696649469 >>696649217 i have had primary experiences, i am infact not extremely biblically knowledgable but my experiences have lead me to believe in Jesus Christ as Lord >>696648923 we already know the physical laws of the universe. if you think "the universe did it on its own" then you think the physical world is all that exists. truth is not a matter of intelligence, i never once denied science, or claim that science is wrong. you say im retarded bc i believe in God yet the creation of the universe is supernatural. we know that our laws of physics didnt create the universe bc nothing like that has ever been repeated ever and cannot be reproduced >inb4 muh super collider abiogenisis got rekt already and being able to cook doesnt explain why the kitchen exists and why you are in teh kitchen >>696650348 >>696650348 >False, with enough energy we can reproduce it in simulations quite easily. What we don't know is what allowed so much energy being present in such small space. no. we cannot create matter. you are taking matter and re enacting a situation. the big bang was matter just banged into existence, there is a MAJOR difference.
>>696650985 >i have had primary experiences So literally brain-failure is your justification for being brainwashed? This, oddly, makes sense Anyways, have nice little chat with Mr. Tyson about your brain-failure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJElZwEI8o
>no. we cannot create matter. Dude, read up on what a simulation is. And if you already know, fix your reading/comprehension skills. >the big bang was matter just banged into existence citation needed >there is a MAJOR difference. Your comparison is not even connected, logically, since you failed to understand the previous post.
>we are playing in existence not creating new ones Kek, we are not even certain of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSZA3NPpBs
Dude, you are making a fool out of yourself consistently ITT
>>696645391 I mean, Satanism is cool. Why worship a Judaeo-Christian God that pretends to love you but banishes you to hell for all eternity for doing anything that he doesn't deem moral? Such a God is an asshole.
>>696651931 nothing youre saying is negating possibility of existence of a creator, consistently ITT
pretend there is no paper of tree's in existence. then i hand you a piece of paper and after a really long time(millions of billions or whatever we are at now) you find out how the piece of paper was made and you discover all kinds of new stuff and manufacture stuff in order to make paper again. now why and how did you and I and paper and the energy and the matter even get there in the first place?
>>696651762 >you atheists >pushing atheist agenda being brainwashed -The post
"We" atheists don't have common culture. All we do is NOT to subscribe to yours. And the reason why we don't, is because yours leaves open so much questions that we can distort it into posts like above. We can only make such claims, because YOUR texts imply them. Abandon your bullshit, and we wouldn't have a reason to mock you over them.
>>696652477 Okay. God is real. I accept that. Now what? What is the advantage you're speaking of? Afterlife? NO FUCKING THANK YOU, If I die, I want this to be over, not become the play-thing of a malicious god that -troughout his hyptotthetical existence - was doing nothing but command humanity around. I want the bliss of non-existence.
Do I get love? Already have that.
Do I get hope for the future? Already have that in form of my kids
Do I get community? I have a few close friends, and beyond that a vast circle of relatives and regular buddies. Why would I seek more?
Do I get health? I already have it, I am in my 30's and on the hight of my strength
Do I get wealth? I earn decently and fly into vacation twice a year with my family. Why would I need more?
What the fuck is your cult offering to me?
And now back to science: >nothing youre saying is negating possibility of existence of a creator Because science doesn't try to negate it. It does nothing but to investigate and discover the truth. So the real question that you should ask is: Why the fuck has science not found a SINGLE TRACE of gods existence?
>>696653101 >Do I get love? >Already have that. >Do I get hope for the future? >Already have that in form of my kids >Do I get community? >I have a few close friends, and beyond that a vast circle of relatives and regular buddies. Why would I seek more? >Do I get health? >I already have it, I am in my 30's and on the hight of my strength >Do I get wealth? >I earn decently and fly into vacation twice a year with my family. Why would I need more? >Why the fuck has science not found a SINGLE TRACE of gods existence? the fact that existence exists is miraculous and is a gift we should live in respect of,maybe you dont feel the same, but it seems you take the fact that existence exists for granted
>>696652965 >you are completely empty Just because I don't share your cult-culture,doesn't mean I don't have any. "Only A Sith Deals In Absolutes" I certainly have hobbies, interests, attend conventions, family gatherings and parties. I have a diverse, rich life. I'm not saying you don't, I'm just saying you base it on fairytales.
>>696653479 im looking for answers and am comfortable in my faith and hypothesis, you make fun of me for my faith yet your faith that there is no meaning and "idk" about the universe is a greater suspension of belief then a creator
>>696653311 dude, actually watch the arguments presented here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSZA3NPpBs
>but it seems you take the fact that existence exists for granted Ofc I do, since I don't believe in a god. Do you even understand atheism and what it says!? Only religious people are dumb enough to believe their priests when he trips them into guilt over something as fundamental as their mere existence.
Religion controls you by telling you that you should be grateful for what "its message" gives you. Once you abandon religion, you ofc leave this guilt-trap as well. I am not grateful towards a religion that i exist. I am grateful towards my wife that she loves me, and she is grateful that I love her. We stick together, not towards a cult.
Do you understand now why atheists call religious peoples drones, and brainwashed? We see you as being controlled by guilt. By guilt in face of the luck that is "apparently" been given to you
>>696653650 You are right, it takes balls to admit that you don't know everything and uncertainty exists. Maybe you find the balls to leave your childish fairy-tale, that magically explains everything, as well?
LOL you fucking mainstream christians are so hilarious. The real reason why you shouldn't play Pokemon Go is because it's a distraction and non productive game that is targets towards the mindless sheep. It feeds off the millennials' childhoods because Pokemon was made in 1998. The use of symbolism, nostalgia, and the marketing power of Nintendo is what makes this game so successful.
Despite the game being free, that doesn't change the fact that nothing in life is free. Most likely, Google+ is using your information to sell to third party softwares. While you are trapped in this fantasy, you are equally fucking yourself in the ass for being stuck in the cycle of consumerism. Most likely, Nintendo already knows everything about you through your phones. Instead of improving your shitty life, you're here catching pokemon because "It's the norm because Pokemon is so kewl xD". Fucking degenerates.
>>696654182 >Ofc I do, since I don't believe in a god. >Do you even understand atheism and what it says!? >Only religious people are dumb enough to believe their priests when he trips them into guilt over something as fundamental as their mere existence. i have no guilt regarding that. your assumptions of my gratefulness for the opportunity to experience existence are incorrect >Religion controls you by telling you that you should be grateful for what "its message" gives you. >Once you abandon religion, you ofc leave this guilt-trap as well. your talking about dead religion, not all religions are the same, and not everyone is legit, that goes for any idea >Do you understand now why atheists call religious peoples drones, and brainwashed? We see you as being controlled by guilt. >By guilt in face of the luck that is "apparently" been given to you thats not how it works for me see my above comment to your other part of post
>I am not grateful towards a religion that i exist. I am grateful towards my wife that she loves me, and she is grateful that I love her. We stick together, not towards a cult. thats good, congrats. i dont adhere to people i adhere to ideas values and principals- i derive this ideas from God- its your opinion that its all fake and that men made it all up and they are all the same. I feel differently based on my experiences,and research
i do not believe that ideas are soley based on material. i believe the existence of ideas came to be from a creator
>>696654349 again thats your opinion, are you mad at your favorite scientist for saying "still nothing"?
i dont understand you bitterness towards the my desire to honor God, i dont get mad at you for living your life, this whole time i have been stating my case why I believe the things I do as an attempt to share bc its relavent to the op, why are you so hostile to the possibility of God? existence existing is something special;its not just a given, as we know the universe will eventually decay
>>696644782 Satanism is a part of the christian religion. Satanists also believe in that bible stuff somehow. It is a monotheistic religion and has nothing to do with the eastern mythology. Also summon satan in this thread to tear itdown.
>I feel differently based on my experiences,and research Argument from ignorance (or lack of knowledge)
>i do not believe that ideas are soley based on material what the fuck does that even mean? Have you redefined some terms in your language, or how exactly is this sentence supposed to be consistent? >i believe the existence of ideas came to be from a creator wtf, do you think god thinks for you? It's one thing to be brainwashed, but you are the first nutjob that insists on being remotely controlled by his imaginary friend
>are you mad at your favorite scientist for saying "still nothing"? Shows how much you know about what they actually say.
>i dont understand you bitterness towards the my desire to honor God Because you throw all of human accomplishments out the window by doing so. You basically shit all over our civilization. Frankly, your level of failed education is offensive.
>why are you so hostile to the possibility of God Because it's the stick that humanity throws into its own wheel. You people are the useless leftovers of past centuries. And it's ypou people who wage war over your maginary friends. It's you people who discriminate others that you don't perceive as "natural" (see >>696650464). You spew hatred and intolerance wherever you go, and some of your bottom-line retarded cults, like creationists even attempt to fuck over the education of our children.
>existing is something special Not really, you just want it to be, hence you believe in imaginary friends to spice up your plain life.
>Because it's the stick that humanity throws into its own wheel. You people are the useless leftovers of past centuries. And it's ypou people who wage war over your maginary friends. It's you people who discriminate others that you don't perceive as "natural" (see >>696650464). You spew hatred and intolerance wherever you go, and some of your bottom-line retarded cults, like creationists even attempt to fuck over the education of our children.
Even if there was no God, there will still be wars, famine, and murder. It's called Human nature. Fucking pseudo intellectuals and their "arguments" LOL
>we will make ourselves gods We stop to believe in us being controlled, and take responsibility for our existence ourselves.
>we will get war right next to the heaven We will combat and defeat the idea of blind belief.
>and we will kill god >dismember him... to be precise We will point out the inconsistency in the idea of god, show why it's simply illogical to believe in him, and finally get rid of this idea by everyone turning from it and eventually forgetting it.
It was just worded in that way, specifically to piss of religious people like you.
>>696656156 no I am not remotely controlled I have free will. thats why following God is based on faith and choice to follow there is no enslavement of any kind when following God
there is however slavery when followin satan, and really even ignoring God is somewhat akin to being with satan, there is only one purpose in teh universe, be with God, if you are not then you are messing up >>696656156 >Shows how much you know about what they actually say. ive seen the simulations theory vids before, there is no current negation of my faith in God, not one, not bc im being decieteful but bc science doesnt discredit it. and the big bang is evidence of that becuase it did not adhere to the laws of physics >Because you throw all of human accomplishments out the window by doing so. You basically shit all over our civilization. Frankly, your level of failed education is offensive. in what way, i have made 0 claims against science in anyway other then sayin abiogenisis crap and hasnt been proven in any viable way >Not really, you just want it to be, hence you believe in imaginary friends to spice up your plain life. your an some kind of asshole, and in no way am i saying "your mean" you honestly believe you ''''"deserve to exist"''' we cannot explain why the big bang, banged and you think "who cares Its not a big deal" ?
you more entitled then millennials and boomers combined >>696656496 naw havent played it >>696656550 greek mythology=satanism, see apollo, appollyon, teh fawn aka baphomet, etc all demonic crap >>696656846 >We stop to believe in us being controlled, and take responsibility for our existence ourselves. thats impossible bc you didnt create yourself... >It was just worded in that way, specifically to piss of religious people like you. thats what i meant by your existence is a negation. and for the 2nd time you are only hurting yourself, it doesn make me mad, or change my views
>>696656438 Yahweh didn't create anything though, he just betrayed others of his kind, destroyed their sources of power here on Earth, took shit over, and started posing as the creator to get people to worship him because that's how he gets power.
He also taught Solomon how to control his betrayed brethren to mock them even further, aka the 72 "demons" of Goetia. Baal was originally Yahweh's boss.
>>696657376 Inconsistency, jumping to conclusions, backpedaling, denial of observable reality, argument from ignorance, strawmaning...
And all of this within a single post. Naw, not going to debunk that, that would greatly exceed the post-length-limit anyways.
You sir, are fucked. You will not find any truth. You will just dive deep into your self-evident thought pattern, also called madness. You will contribute zero to humanity on a intellectual level. Your time is wasted.
Feel free to have the last word and pretending to have me defeated. I won't waste my time with you anymore.
>>696657539 >Yahweh didn't create anything though, he just betrayed others of his kind, destroyed their sources of power here on Earth, took shit over, and started posing as the creator to get people to worship him because that's how he gets power. >He also taught Solomon how to control his betrayed brethren to mock them even further, aka the 72 "demons" of Goetia. Baal was originally Yahweh's boss. thats a load of bs, you think a little demon "magic" is special and will win? satan will be literally destroyed, you are trolling and hurting yourself or willinging choosing death and hurting yourself, God doesnt need us but wants us to listen bc He loves us, satan is a punk who uses tricks and deceit to enslave people and has to get permission for everything bc he is powerless
>>696658133 >create beings >give them the ability to choose between "good" and bad" >literally 99% of creation can be construed as a temptation depending on perspective >subjectivity exists >makes rule book for how to behave after shit loads die without apparent instruction >if you don't follow the rule book you burn for eternity/denied access to heaven >he loves us
>>696658423 >literally 99% of creation can be construed as a temptation depending on perspective >>subjectivity exists >>makes rule book for how to behave after shit loads die without apparent instruction >>if you don't follow the rule book you burn for eternity/denied access to heaven >>he loves us Jesus died for us so we can have an opportunity to reach God and to show us that we are not perfect as He was and that we cannot do it on our own, Jesus fulfilled the laws so we are now under the cleansing of our souls by His blood. If you choose to accept the gift or not is up to you but Jesus died and rose for you too
its not following a book, its following the living God Jesus Christ
>>696658767 He's god. He can do much more to right everyone's path so that they can get into heaven rather than having a fucking contest to see who gets to be able to come to his party.
And, again, there were many who died prior to the coming of Jesus, not to mention the fact that the area in which Jesus was born (which I presume was under God's control) wasn't a very good place for an actual messiah to be born. China was miles ahead of the rest of the world during that time period. Why wasn't he born there where it would have made more of an impact? Christianity would have spread much faster.
>>696659278 have you thought that maybe God has better plans then you or I? if God did make everything legit, it was the garden of eden, but then eve and adam got tricked and were being dumb bc thats our nature as mankind. then later Jesus stepped to show us "you really cannot do this on your own, let me show you how its done" so He lived a perfect life. He was born there bc thats were He chose to start it. the people prior to that were on a different standard which is old testiment stuff.
God is not a virus trying to spread everywhere super fast, its about genuine disciples of Jesus Christ and actually china right now has the fastest rate of new christians on teh planet
To say that is to undermine the suffering that everyone goes through.
As far as I'm concerned, it is not Adam and Eve's responsibility that they were "dumb". It was the parent's fault for not looking after them properly.
China now has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. It was mentioned because of the sheer superiority it possessed at the time of Christ's birth in the context of having a messiah born there instead.
>>696660174 another part of why He chose bethlaham was bc thats were the action was and mary and joseph were legit people that would listen, there were active killings of all children in entire cities bc of the chacne that the prophesy of Jesus coming true and the king whats his face didnt want that to happen
God didnt intervien in the garden bc He still had our back, you dont stop your child from everything bc then they wouldnt be living >>696660453 youre right God is consistant, He followed the law 100% and showed the aposels/jews that their legalism was a curse and impossible and wrong. Jesus was fullfilling the prophecies and following the laws he left, now bc of His life and scrifice we need to follow Him and that live as He did and accept His gift of salvation to be with God. before it was very literal commands, now its following the way things had been laid out by Jesus' example >>696660495 better than*
>>696660960 Mary and Joseph were legit people? I don't think you understand where I'm coming from when I see these people were made by God. He chose to make people with the ability to be "legit" or not. It's completely illogical and cruel to make beings and then leave them to their own devices only to torture the ones that don't do what you want them to do.
You obviously have no clue as to how history went in China. You seriously think China didn't have "action"? Please.
You're right, you don't stop your children from everything, but you know what you DO stop your children from doing? Getting tortured. If speaking to Lucifer got them fucked, it's still on God for not intervening; it's still cruel for him not to do so, especially because he would have known eons in advance that that was going to happen. There's no excuse other than "God's mysterious". Again, please.
On what you said about him being Consistent: This is another basic misunderstanding of my stance. All of man's problems are because of God, my friend. Not us. He MADE us. He made us with the ability to choose his way or the highway. If he loved us, he would make sure we were taught properly and would ensure we ALL get to make it to his party. Not just some who HAPPEN to get it right. He would ensure all the atheists saw the light and started living for him and to worship him. He would know what he would need to do in order to do so. To say otherwise is to say he isn't omnipotent.
I'm sorry sir, but you're standing on unsure ground.
>>696648874 So by your own theory, God planned and allowed Lucifer to rebel. That shows the angels have no will of their own. Which means Heaven, Hell and purgatory are all run by God. So, Lucifer had nothing to do with mankind's fall from the garden of Eden, it was all God's plan in the first place to punish mankind eternally for their sins.
>>696661728 He does do that for us fam, thats why He came to earth to show us whats up and offers salvation to us. If He made it to were we all obey Him that would not be love that would be slavery. He gave us free will on purpose, if He were to take control of us in the way your describing then we wouldn't be alive we would be objects.
everyone who wants to see the truth of God can! but they need to make that choice, does God give us reason to do so? absolutely but most just ignore it and say everything is no big deal
>>696662088 nope, obviously the angels have free will as well otherwise they wouldn't have been able to rebel(1/3 of them). in the same way that you know what a child is thinking bc your have more experience then them you know what they are most likely to think/do but they still make the choice to either listen to your direction or not
>>696662396 The bible says only mankind was given free will, no other of God's creations received that gift. Which is it - angels have free will making them humans, or they don't making it all God's plans and orders all along.
just bc God knows what we will doesnt mean we dont have free will. and if He physcially took control of us, we wouldnt really be alive and there would be no reason for us to be here. you dont want to control you child in that way would you? probably not
you would direct them in the best way, and if they didnt listen you would have to chastise them and retrach them again and again, and thas what Jesus does and thats why He can forgive everything if we genuinely want it and want to follow Him
>>696662628 >The bible says only mankind was given free will, no other of God's creations received that gift. >Which is it - angels have free will making them humans, or they don't making it all God's plans and orders all along. let me try and find out hold up, i use bible hub, or epower bible but thats on a different comp. hold on a sec let me find out
>>696662235 I didn't not say he would flick a switch and have us all follow him. I'm saying he could do more than put out a book that isn't really doing the job very well. It's quite insignificant really and not very impressive considering how many people follow other religions. Again, giving us free will was ridiculous in the first place if so many of us are just going to burn. How many people do you think are going or have gone to hell already? Do you think it's right for them to have gone to hell for eternity while God could have taught them in a better way? They're BURNING in HELL for infinity. These are our brothers and sisters we're talking about. Their souls are literally burning forever. Do you understand how absolutely horrible that is?
Most just ignore the truth of God? Saying that just strengthens the horror I expressed in the previous paragraph. The lifespan of a human being is insignificant compared to infinite torture. Relatively speaking, they weren't even given a sliver of a chance to learn what God wanted them to do.
>>696662816 dude he does, you just have to open to it, and again I know its mainly based on faith, but there are evidences like recently they found gold coins from biblical cities that supposedly never existed according to modern findings. also the biggest one i keep gong back to is the opportunity that we are even here right now
>>696663131 He fullfilled every prophecy, hitorically He existed, archealogical findings, and the bible is the most peer reviewed confirmed publishing in history >inb4 not all were first accounts and some were 2nd hand accounts in those times people didnt even know how to write and read and 2nd hand was often the best standard they had
I see 99.959% chance of 100% retards in this thread.
Okay, this is how it is...
Organised religion is an ancient control mechanism used to subdue large groups of indigenous peoples into conforming to the will of the political elites. It's always been this way. BUT.. even before groups of foragers merged with other groups and formed civilisations, we've always had a natural tendency towards belief in gods. It's part of our sense of wonder at the universe that makes us so creative. You only have to look at the shamans in the amazon who smoke DMT all day and come up with ingenious ideas during meetings with their "gods" (they don't give them such primitive labels though). The universe is always evolving towards the ultimate complexity, it's wired into its DNA. Whether that's come about because of a kooky dude in the sky, a "random" algorithm or a mass of intelligent energy somewhere that follows a type of natural order that we aren't yet advanced enough to comprehend, remains to be seen. Science/atheism makes the mistake of assuming it's theories are correct (because religion can't be right) based on laws of the universe we are only just begining to discover, let alone understand. Science in its modern form is still in its infancy. But organised religion is brainwashing, it steals ideas from philosophers and twists their (sometimes reasonable/sound) theories and uses them to scare people into submitting to the will of the heirarchy
>>696663097 You are still misunderstanding me. It is not on recipient of the Word of God if they do not understand or open up to it. It is the responsibility of the Father to teach his children properly. If the lesson that he has given to said recipient fails, he will need to give them another lesson until the recipient understands the message fully. One of the main reasons people do not have faith is because they can't see why they should believe in the first place. It's not like these people are sitting down thinking to themselves "You know what I should do? Spit in the face of my creator." Most of these people don't believe he exists in the first place. Wouldn't you agree that he needs to do more to safeguard his children instead of leaving so many to die only to have them suffer for eternity?
The opportunity of being alive is not necessarily dependent on a creator. It's a matter of not understand it, therefore God. It's not a useful way of thinking and it's a way of thinking that stunts growth. I would shun it and I advise you to do the same. If you want to continue worshiping, fine. But please, think of the things I'm saying. I never understand Christians that aren't absolutely appalled by the thought of hell receiving anyone. It is the worst possible thing that could be thought.
On you responding to my posts: You're responding to everything I'm saying. You're just don't seem to be taking it seriously. You don't know how disgusted I am with the thought of hell. It's atrocious, man. It'd be like if a kid does horribly in school and the teacher punishes them by skinning half of the top layer of skin off of the child's body, waiting until it regrows, and then doing it again. There's absolutely no logic to doing that. God should put more effort into teaching rather than torturing.
>>696662628 youre right angels dont have free will http://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
so its all specifically part of Gods plan, but He does not intfere with us in terms of forbidding things physically and mentally, but does guide us and its our job to learn to listen and follow check out USC professor for over 30 thirty years who is a christian explain how to know if God is present or not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhobThHUzcA
>>696663899 >You are still misunderstanding me. It is not on recipient of the Word of God if they do not understand or open up to it. It is the responsibility of the Father to teach his children properly. If the lesson that he has given to said recipient fails, he will need to give them another lesson until the recipient understands the message fully. One of the main reasons people do not have faith is because they can't see why they should believe in the first place. It's not like these people are sitting down thinking to themselves "You know what I should do? Spit in the face of my creator." Most of these people don't believe he exists in the first place. Wouldn't you agree that he needs to do more to safeguard his children instead of leaving so many to die only to have them suffer for eternity? i get that, and i am trying to say that yes it is mainly faith, but also that yes He does teach and guide us and that we take for granted His work many time, ever have intersecting thoughts that really helped you?
or vice versa i know when i was really messing up in the past things around me would break seemingly for no reason, car troubles, lgiht bulbs break, family getting sick,etc-those were signs that i needed to cut the shit out > The opportunity of being alive is not necessarily dependent on a creator. It's a matter of not understand it, therefore God. It's not a useful way of thinking and it's a way of thinking that stunts growth. I would shun it and I advise you to do the same. If you want to continue worshiping, fine. But please, think of the things I'm saying. I never understand Christians that aren't absolutely appalled by the thought of hell receiving anyone. It is the worst possible thing that could be thought. thats why i really wanted to share in this thread. its tough sometimes to not be a lawyer but at the same time field all the questions but its also enjoyable bc i get to learn more about and seek more of what God is about 1/2
>>696663808 the vague, self-fulfilling prophecies? Documented bu no1? No. Historically he still doesnt exists. No. What archeological findings? No. Bible is not peer reviewed, has factual errors, dubious moral values, written by anonymous authors contradictin eachother and was compiled by a sabbath 1700 years later that the events written about. No. So u have no proof
>>696663899 2/2 im at the point were i have seen enough to want to seek God and follow Him, I am new but thats not a bad thing and it takes time and understanding and effort( salvation through faith but evidence of salvation by effort aka fruit) >hell is hell, and unimaginably horrible and everything bad i know that feel, and i dont mean to be dismissive im just trying to type fast so thread doesnt 404. and i need to leave in like 20 mins
at first i saw evidence of more then meets the eye type of stuff then was "open" then was like yah im a good person im good ill do my thing" but i see time and time again where even my best was not the best idea that i was refering and over time I saw the necesity that morality had to be true and had to have a valid source and later i realized God was real, and then i got scared of not listineing but then i realized some of that fear was actually me not wanting to give up my way of life.
i know it seem wrong that people suffer bc of evil and all kinds of things going on, but iltimately there is a way to saftey and thats through God
>>696664437 >Bible is not peer reviewed, has factual errors, dubious moral values, written by anonymous authors contradictin eachother and was compiled by a sabbath 1700 years later that the events written about. 21 questions by alex mcfarland, check it out. im running out of time, sorry. every single prphecy in isreal was fullfilld by Jesus, the jews refused to beleive it though thas why many of them are the way they are now
>>696664360 Helping sometimes is not good enough when infinite torture is on the line. He fails in the department of Fatherhood and mentor if he cannot properly convey his message to his students. He fails consistently as I've previously pointed out. I'm not refuting your logic of him teaching. I'm saying his teaching methods are not sound and do not produce significant results. Bad things that happen to you would be a red flag for the things I've mentioned in earlier posts. There are much better ways to convey that a student is doing wrong than having loved ones get sick or having bad things happen to the student. This is another example of bad fathering or teaching.
The idea of hell falls just at the end of what my stance is: God is the reason for it all, therefore, those that end up in hell end up in hell on God's fault, not our own; this even includes our free will because, like I've been mentioning, it's his responsibility to teach us properly. Something he has not done for those that end up in hell. If he was a good teacher (as far as any omnipotent teach would go), nobody would end up in hell.
>>696664802 I'm not putting YOUR faith into question. I'm contesting the idea that a very very unfortunate majority of people have not found their safety through God in life so must suffer for eternity in death. God's has a responsibility as our Father to do what is necessary to prevent this from happening. He has failed in this regard for the majority of human existence. He's a very bad teacher for being omnipotent.
>>696665197 By our definition, yeah. But I'm a theistic agnostic. I don't think we'll ever be able to know or even understand our creator if there is one. It'd be like an ant trying to understand a human. We can't assign our own thoughts and feelings to it, because it simply does not apply to that type of being or entity.
>>696665557 Maybe so, but it lessens the chance of you reinforcing the belief they already have.
On top of that, the main point I was talking about was using logic to dismantle their talking points within the context of their belief. You have to meet them on even ground so that they don't think less of you for not being in line with the ideology from the get go.
>>696665606 Then don't. But if they are a creator; and they do have ultimate dominion over their creator then your belief in them doesn't matter at all - they will do what they wish when they wish it in your life, regardless of how you feel. Think of it, if this is really how it is, as a prison sentence. No parole, no appeals. Everyone Is here until your time is up.
>>696665001 i understand the sentiment but i feel it removes too much of our own personal responsibility fo r instance i think everyone knows of people who grew up who forwhatver reason thew away all their opportunites despite teh parents providing for them as well as the opposite. God doesn leave us hanging, we just need to pay more attention. also if children arent chastised they wont really learn, we all knowkids like that that never got in trouble and they turned out spoiled and or punks sometimes, God does help us, but i understnad hte concern your bringing. and i appreciate you at least entertaining for the sake of discussion, why dont you take it a step further and ask God yourself. if He isnt real then theres no harm right? but i have to go though, im not op btw.
i will make a thread in like 14 hours from now to try and continue the topic.
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