Is it possible to sell my soul for benefits?

How's the 8th grade going?

Yeah sure what are we talking about?

Well you can always try

>>696566865
who would buy it?

>>696566985
Clearly not great if he's already selling his soul in July.

>>696566865
Yes, it's called "The American Dream".

>>696566865
Yes. Date a girl.

>>696566865
Dunno. Its been a buyer's market these last few years and the trends aren't looking good for sellers.

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>>696566865
The trick is to just find a demon with good terms. Like most things in life, it's a matter of negotiation.

A few tips:
Don't go for the ones that will seek you out. If a demon goes out of its way to find a human, it isn't worth dealing with. It's probably just trawling for souls or looking for cheap eternal labor.
Don't make a deal with anyone claiming to be the devil. The devil doesn't make deals in person.
Pick a demon whose personality compliments yours, because after you sell your soul they WILL influence you, even if they aren't trying to. I was always quite asexual, so I chose a lust demon who slowly corrupted me into a raging horndog. Choose wisely.

Demon here, I'll give you 50c for your soul.

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>>696567602
This!
>>696567624
>Don't go for the ones that will seek you out. If a demon goes out of its way to find a human, it isn't worth dealing with. It's probably just trawling for souls or looking for cheap eternal labor.
And this!

You should seek out a demon who doesn't typically make deals. If they come to you, tell them to fuck off. You should be looking for them.

And don't let them take the high ground in the negotiation. Make them want your soul, take the initiative!

Sure, why not? Bart Simpson did it...

>>696567624
So how do i search for one? Call 666-666-666 or what?

>>696567963
Be with you in a moment, Chaun'Zuggoroth (chauncy) needs to go over some legal details.

I think I've tried to sell my soul a couple of times now
It doesn't seem like it ever worked either time
Unless of course it did and my stoner memory serves me poorly...
Can't say I'm all that disappointed to be h

>>696568185
How much time do he/she needs to arrive? And what kind of legal details?

>>696567963
Www.sellyoursoul.com

>>696568185
dammit harry! youre gonna fry that computer.

If you're looking to be the best guitarist in the Mississippi Delta, then yeah, I'm sure you can work it out.

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>>696566865
Not if your soul isn't worth a shit

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>>696568522
Bruh.
>>696567963
Typically I'll use an intermediary. Obviously for a vanilla mortal like myself contacting demons is EXTREMELY dangerous. Usually as a simple matter of principle they'll try to kill you just for wasting their time. What I'll usually do is research a demon for whatever purposes I need, then once I have it's Name (capital letter is significant there, most demons have many names, but their true Name can summon them. You won't be personally summoning them, but your messenger will need it to find your demon. For messengers I recommend minor faeries. They're quick, small, bindable by contract, and no one misses them if they get killed). Then I'll pay an intermediary to offer them a contract of negotiation on behalf of an "anonymous part" (myself). The contract is basically just an agreement saying they'll sit and talk when we meet, rather than tearing my throat out or something. If they sign, the intermediary will report back, and negotiations can begin.

>>696569472
Thanks anon.

>>696566865
No. Satanism is a mythological construct like Christianity.

Yes YOUTUBE...

>>696567963
Most broker's are only open from 6 till 6 on the 6th of June. You might have missed the boat this year. Think of it as a cooling off period

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>>696567963
>Call 666-666-666 or what?
You RANG?

>>696566865
When he ask you, say yes. that easy

Sup man? What can you offer for my soul?

>>696569472
Also, it's worth noting that selling your soul is a one time thing. I've had dozens of dealings with demons, but you should find other things to negotiate with. Your soul is a lot like your virginity: you only lose it once, so choose well. My soul is currently in the beautiful hands of a lust demon matriarch known publicly as Tyhia. I chose her because she's reputable, known for fair dealings, and my post-death service to her will be roughly what it is now: intelligence gathering and the occasional bit of networking. This brings me to the real thing you can offer a demon.

Demons usually don't understand humans very well. Even more empathetic demons like Tyhia and her kind don't generally understand human behavior outside their sphere of influence. Sure, Tyhia could give you a boner without even trying, but she has trouble with morality and human motivation beyond base needs. You can offer a demon understanding of human behavior, especially modern technology, which they're terrible with. Offer your services as a consultant, just be sure to make sure they understand why this is useful.
>>696569706
Sure thing. You really should take a course on this though. I studied for six years before i contacted my first demon. This isn't amateur hour. If you fuck up you'll get killed if you're lucky.
>>696569877
Oh fuck off, he doesn't make house calls.

>>696568499
I haven't been this disappointed in a website since I searched for www.com

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>>696570384
>If you fuck up you'll get killed if you're lucky.
THIS. This so much.
You have no idea how often I get hired for a consulting job by some young fucking goth teeny bopper who wants to summon a demon for shits and giggles. Sure, I'll take their money, but almost without exception, they end up getting killed. You're dealing with an ancient immortal being who's been slaughtering humans and worse for thousands of years. The only advantage humans have is preparation and training. You lose your advantages and you're dead, THE END.

There are like four people EVER who survived a botched summoning.

Kill yourself
Go to hell
Send your soul
Back to life

>>696570987
So what kind of preperations do i need?
>>696570384
And what do you got from the bargain?

is this the new finger box?

>>696571176
You should go to school, kid. You have to learn this shit.

>>696571176
>Preparations
I'm not him so I won't speak for him, but odds are he'll tell you the same thing: you need training. There are schools for this shit. When summoning a demon you need wards created specifically to bind that demon. Most wards are similar in structure to an advanced mathematical equation, with the demon and summoning conditions representing variables. People study for decades to learn this.

Even someone like me who has the equivalent of a masters in this is only considered to be a journeyman.
>What do I get from the bargain.
Well first off, and most perhaps most obviously to most people, I get the attention of a millennia old lust demon matriarch. I'd say she's pretty like a model, but near as I can tell there's no models as pretty as her.

More substantially, I get access to considerably more resources than I'd have otherwise.

But more than anything she offers me security: rather than throwing myself before the judgement of a god that may or may not exist when I die, she'll be taking my soul, and because we're both bound by contract, I know exactly what will be done with it. No moral ambiguity, no uncertainty, just specific conditions and obligations to be met.

>>696566865
It is, but if you're going to do it, contact a professional. You try summoning a demon on your own and you'll just get raped, murdered and eaten. In that order if you're lucky.

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>>696568185
>Chaun'Zuggoroth (chauncy) needs to go over some legal details

>>696572247
Tell me a professional in europe.

It is yet you seem to believe it's a simple transaction as like buying bread. This is not the case.

To gain favor of certain elements you must give yourself to the ideology of that which is summoned. Giving your soul is a complete statement but before you barter you must know your product. There is no simplicity of 'I'd give my soul for this', it's a practice that requires expertise and courage.

>>696566865
what do you mean by benefits?

>>696572580
You should probably make it more clear who you were talking to there.
>>696572565
>>696572247
Don't give him the fucking contact! If you're clued in then you know as well as I do why that's a bad idea.

>>696572042
You seem to know quite a bit about this... Random question: Can you contact demons through the use of psychedelic drugs?

>>696568185
Instructions unclear , dick stuck in a demon. But feelsgodman.

>>696572840
I replied to OP you simpleton, denoted by the lack of a replied post number.

>>696572930
The fuck? No, of course not. This isn't mystical mind dream metaphysical shit, it's just science. Put in the right set of variables into the right equation and add enough energy, and you get the right frequency to contact certain beings.

The process of summoning a demon is 30% research, 30% math, 30% preparation, and 10% luck. Drugs don't help with any of that.

>>696572840
Srsly mate , its my soul. Just gimme a contact.

>>696573099
Then why not tag OP in your post like a normal user?

What kind of autism is going on here

>>696572580
The fuck are you even talking about? Are you one of those satanist emotional "demons need your true belief" types? What, you just couldn't make it through school? Hit the math classes and dropped out, so now you pretend to know how to summon because you can't deal with your failure? Leave the summoning to professionals sweetheart.

>>>/x/

>>696566865
Sell your what?

>>696573575
I don't know but it's too much to digest.

>>696572930
This is unquestionably dangerous. While in any state of inebriation logic dispels to 'want'. This is especially so with drugs that peel the viel of the worlds. This is akin to going to a gun fight with a knife. The elements that seek mortal interaction are forces of binding and bondage. To seek these things without total control is folly.

>>696573575
Nothing, move along.
>>696573369
Yes, it's your soul, but this is like asking for the contact information to a Chop Shop, because "Hey, it's my kidney!"

Yes, it's yours, but if you don't have the rep and the know how you'll just get killed.

>>696573671
I doubt your experience.

>>696573876
This guy is bizarrely metaphysical and spacey, but he's right. Drugs are a no-go here. You're going to be doing some advanced logic and calculations if you're summoning. Drugs fuck that.

>>696572042
Can I ask what you traded your soul for?

>>696573881
I will get killed anyway , its worth a try.

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>>696566865
SureItIs.
DoIT.

>>696574061
I ask because I was contacted by some weird entities on a bad trip, had a hard time identifying them. Definitely not trying to contact through this method, just still trying to figure out who/what I talked to 4 years later.

>>696574666
satanic trips

>>696574671
What color?

>>696574252
For obvious reasons I don't want to give you the specific wording of my contract, but more or less, I didn't so much trade my soul as I did offer services in exchange for Tyhia taking custody of my soul. In exchange for my services (she gets half my time, measured yearly. So six months a year, I'm hers. She can take that as every other day, or by month, or whatever, but once she's used up a total of six months of my time, I'm free for the rest of the year). In exchange she cares for my soul after death and ensures I always have the resources I need for my research and my work for her.
>>696574328
Not necessarily. If you negotiate well, you'll be set. I, for example, am funded for life, and even after I die, my soul goes to a trusted ally and colleague. Deal well and you'll be fine. Just make sure you actually know how.
>>696574671
The "entity contact" was probably a hallucination, friend. Demons can't just pop into your mind because you're high. Sorry.

>>696574671
Don't bother. You most likely experienced pure hallucinations.

>>696574858
No idea. Immediately repressed that shit.

>>696574843
No.MÆphISto.

>>696575042
No i mean i'm in a life threatening position right now , not by demons. I will get killed by someone else.

>>696575249
Hahaha you think you can just up and change your fortune? You're the type of person that becomes used.

>>696575042
>>696575045
>Just a hallucination
This.

People trip all the time and think it's an entity, when odds are it isn't. Certain spirits of nature will contact you if you know what you're doing, but it requires a fair amount of practice and training to do, and the spirits have to know you, they won't just contact any old fuck. The only person I ever saw do it was a Dine Holy Man (an indian medicine man), and he'd been a practitioner for more than a century.

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>>696575249
Yeah... Sorry anon, but... >>696575597
This.
Any demon is going to be able to tell that you're going to die soon, so if this is true you'll NEVER get good terms. At this point it's best to just make peace with it and meet death with grace, because any demon who's willing to deal with you will fuck you in the ass.

>>696575597
Like your mother was?

>>696575249
Sheeeit, gonna be expensive I can tell you.

>>696575852
My death is is 100% sure. I can embrace it , or i can run from it. I just can't choose which one should i choose.

>>696575888
No need to be petty, anon. He's probably right. Demons can tell when someone comes to the table desperate, and they'll never let you take the high ground.

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>>696576076

>>696575677
Really? I've been apart of two rituals but they were both South American. sounds interesting, to be an Indian. Though I suspect nationality does little, it's just a more prominent culture in South America.

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We got a case boyz.

>>696576049
Look, if you're really desperate I'd recommend you contact a professional for this, but it'll be expensive. Like, seriously expensive. There are maybe two dozen people in the WORLD who are qualified for this kind of work, and I'm not one of them. On the rare occasional that I do consulting work (note that this isn't an offer, it's just a point of reference) I usually charge anywhere from 2.5-10 thousand an hour, plus a retainer of 25k that I'll sometimes waive if it's just a quick consulting job. Now consider that I'm not even qualified for this level of fast negotiation; I wouldn't take this job. You'd be looking at the top arcanists in the world for this kind of fast, deceptive negotiation.

>>696576631
Do i need to go to the deepweb for this? Atleast gimme a lead.

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>>696575888
SoHow2GoŒn?

>>696576049
You're going to die. From everything you've said, you lack the means and ability to nullify this. Death isn't so bad, though, anon. The transition is the worst part.

>>696576447
Sorry, to be clear I should have said native american, not indian. You may not know this if you aren't an amerifag, but in norht america we colloquially call native americans, indians. It's stupid, yes, but you can look it up if you don't believe me.
>Been part of two rituals.
I can believe it, though it's important to know that nature spirits and demons are a whole different ball of wax. Having a couple encounters with nature spirits is entirely different from contacting a demon. Even the most dangerous, predatory nature spirits are generally safer to call than a demon (with a few exceptions. There are a few oceanic and african preditor spirits that can go toe to toe with a fucking demon lord, though part of that is speculation. As you can imagine researching these entities is difficult due to their danger potential).

>>696566865
You need to be saved anon. Jesus will heal all

>>696576942
Anon... >>696577156
This.

Death is NOT the worst thing that can happen to you when you go chasing this kind of entity. Actually, death is about the best thing that could happen, if you get really lucky. I can't in good conscious give you information that would lead to your inevitable death and the likely theft of your soul.

>>696577377
FagU.

>>696577041
Not everybody can speak , gayman.

>>696577305
Ahh ok that makes more sense. Though I personally disagree that 'nature spirits' and 'Demons' are not alike. Entities that don't experience mortality have a very similar vibe to me. I'm by no means an expert practitioner but from what I've felt the two labels are one.

>>696577808
CanShouldWouldOrOughtTo/b?

>>696578076
YouReAFagit

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>>696566865
Only if you want to be a werewolf with no control of yourself... then yes.

>>696578073
Yes and no.

On one hand, yes they are similar, but at the same time they're also very different. That may sound like a contradiction, but hear me out.

Like I said, I've studied this for six years, so I have roughly the equivalent of a master's degree, and while that's far from a master (you're not considered a master until you've fully completed your schooling, which takes anywhere from 25-40 years, and you also need to have summoned and bound a level 4+ entity).

I guess you could think of this kind of thing as different kingdoms of animals. Nature spirits and demons may both me metaphysical beings, but we classify them differently for cataloging purposes. Both are metaphysical beings, and both need an investment of energy to interact with the physical world (this is why so many demon rituals have animal or human sacrifices, the investment of energy is needed for the demon to physically interact with the world). Nature spirits also need an investment of energy, but they can actually aquire it themselves, typically from the ecosystem around them, ie an oceanic spirit could aquire energy from the ocean, a desert spirit from the desert, etc.

Try not to get too metaphysical and spacey. This stuff is science, not magic.

>>696576049
Not to choose is still choosing.

>>696578670
Well bettter than nothing , time to try it.

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>>696578670
>occupation that takes 6 years of schooling to reach a journeyman rank in
>Here's an infographic that can do all the work for you
Seems legit.

>>696579122
Still better than this arcanist shit who needs 20k for 1 hour lol.

>>696578670
>>696578995
This obviously can't do anything, there's no investment of energy. Even if by some miracle you did manage to call up a demon (which you won't, but more on that later) it couldn't do anything because it would have no energy with which to interact with the physical world. Come on dude, even the satanist crowd know you need an energy investment (though they typically sacrifice an animal, which is a rather inefficient way to do it).

Plus you can't call an entity with this, as there's no frequency alteration, no investment of energy, and most laughably, THERE'S NO TRUE NAME. Come on...

>>696579438
What? Better? No, it's cheaper, but not better. That's like saying "US law for dummies" is better than a lawyer, because it's a fifteen dollar book versus a professional that will charge 300$ an hour for consulting.

Cheaper =/= better.

>>696579438
At least that guy knows what he's fucking doing. That infographic is the metaphysical equivalent coloring page. It won't do a fucking thing. It's missing four of the five summoning factors, and it doesn't even have a ward, so even if by some act of god you manage to call an entity, it'll just kill you.

>>696579583
Dude i would pay for this "arcanist" for this summoning. And if nothing would happen i would shoot that motherfucker in the head. Not like he/she is going to call upon a blizard , or gona firebolt me.

No. Demons are imaginary.

>>696578977
This is just personal experience for me. I'm from Chilean decent and my father's father spoke of spirits and elements and such. My father discounted them, as did I. Until I took some shrooms. As another anon posted, this experience made me think of things absurd. My journey began then. I've flown down to Chile and Nicaragua and sat with shamans to explore further, and I can only give my account of what I felt. I'm not studied in this, but it's reality is true.

I'm very interested in your posts because you seem to be studied on this, while I've just blundered online for answers.

>>696578977
How can I start learning all of this demon stuff? It sounds really interesting. Are there websites I can learn from or do I have to talk to a master or what?

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>>696579795
He literally said he wouldn't do it, because he didn't feel qualified enough. You can try to pay him but he said he won't try. Still, no need to get uppity, we're all delusional demon-summoning friends here.

>>696580000
Nice quads bro what a waste, but anyway i didn't mean this guy in this thread.. I mean a qualified "arcanist".

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>>696573575
gothpergers

Demons. Are. Imaginary.

Not real.

Made up.

Fake.

Fairy tales.

Your whiney pleading and begging won't make you less of a faggot.

You want something in life? Work for it.

If it's not worth working for then you don't want it that badly.

>>696579987
Idk, for me it was family. To those outside I'd be wary of soothsayers and mindreaders, who distort the reality of truth.

>>696579987
sure, there are lots of websites waiting to scam you

>>696580409
>he doesn't realize that the Democratic Party engages in literal demon (Moloch) worship
>he hasn't read the DNC leaked e-mails

>>696580411
So you got raped by your satanic parrents as a sacrafice ?

>>696580409
Honesty you're wrong. I've seen a man given to an entity that could lift a bus. The reality is power is seen, and true power is unseen. Don't discount a truth not known.

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>>696580000

>>696579950
>Just my take
Yeah, and that's fair, totally! A lot of pre-industrial cultural lineages will have simplified pseudo-religious summoning and communication techniques in their mythology and lore. They may put different words to it "making an offering to the spirits of the earth" when in reality you're grounding energy to attract a spirit. Kind of like how primitive herbal medicine will heal, even if they call it different things. "Here, this herb will drive out the bad blood!" The herb still heals, even if they don't say why. There have actually been a lot of advancements from arcanists talking with tribal societies to research their methods. Certainly they aren't advanced, but they often times know things that we don't.
>>696579987
To be honest, I don't know what to tell you. Most masters don't take on apprentices just because they ask. I was recruited because I saved my master's life when I was younger. I spent most of my years as a servant/ward/foster child of hers, before she started training me. Different masters accept apprentices based on different reasons, and the major academies only accept from certain bloodlines. Even as progressive as our community tends to be, we do have a few old superstitions and biases, sadly.

First off, how old are you? Training has to start young.

>>696580728
Don't be daft.

>>696580734
You've seen too much movies son.

>>696580409
We're just telling stories and making shit up, mate. It's fun! Try it!

>>696580691
And there's billions of people that believe in an imaginary sky person judging their actions.

Stupidity isn't an exclusive trait. In fact, it tends to happen more often in groups.

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>>696567963
>be on phone
>browse this thread
>accidently press on your post
>phone asks me if I want to add new contact

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>>696572042
>doesn't believe in a deity
Believes in demons, faeries, gnomes, trump, ghosts.

>>696580734
Yeah, you're full of shit, insane or hallucinating.

Seek help. You should not be making any important decisions.

>>696580800
>>696580800
Let's just say Im in highschool. Cant ban me for saying that.

>>696566865
Yes. They call that marriage.

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I have a gun

>>696566865
No, only your dignity

>>696580800
The thing is though that there is a ver mechanical aspect to the journey. It's not haphazard in any sense.

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>>696581088
Nice dubs bro , i hope you didn't get scared.

>>696579987
>>696580411
Also this! A lot of people start learning through family. Actually MOST people, probably. Certified practicing Arcanists are pretty rare, we only represent one corner of the metaphysical community, if admittedly a very old, very rich corner.

Most practitioners are shamans or medicine men who know a bit, or folk practitioners who learned from their parents. They won't be summoning and binding any demons, but they can tell you how to undo a hex or avoid a bad spirit, or offer a True Blessing.

As a side note, FUCK BLESSINGS

That shit is the one fucking metaphysical phenomenon we can't really quanitfy or categorize, Is it a spell? NOPE, no catalyst! Is it a ritual, NOPE, only human entities! FUCK.

Blessings are to metaphysical science as gravity is to unified forces in physics.

>>696581088
Call it, you pussy.

>>696566865
Satan don't want useless souls..

>>696581388
What is this shit ? Are you from scientology?

Ok, I don't study theology and what not so correct me if i'm wrong, but since the soul is basically the fiber of your consciousness wouldn't it just kill you and then make you a demon's bitch for all eternity?

You can contact Demons, so you can contact Angels too right ? Why always choose the wrong neighborhood ?

>>696581146
Not at all, you think you know strength? You think you understand mortality? Wait until you see their defiance. The problem is the ideology doesn't spread.

You guys are making me paranoid because my mom tells me to never let my grandpa speak about his heritage.

He says shit like his family comes from a long line of shamans that have been around since the Aztecs and he talks to a giant bird snake.

>>696581700
You're retarded. Kys.

>>696581890
Would you give him the rope?

>>696581102
Yes, actually, all practicing arcanists are athiest, at least publicly. We approach things through science and reason, so gods are kind of antithetical to that, to a certain extent. Though you might be surprised how many "gods" are actually just very powerful spiritual entities.
>>696581175
Eh... You're getting up there in age. Training generally starts young because you have to be immunized to metaphysical energy over time. There's a reason practitioners always start young. If you're already 17-20 or so, you're probably too old to be a true practitioner.

That said, you can still be a researcher or consultant, you'll just never be a true practitioner, because you won't be able to safely act as a conduit for high energy channeling.
>>696581262
I'll have to take your word on it. I don't study folk practition vary much, but what I have done has been mostly focused on East Asian and European traditions, as I myself am of chinese descent, and my master is French. I haven't looked into any south american tradtions very much, although I did work with a Dine holy man for a few years, so I picked up a bit about North American traditions (though not much. We basically spent two years on the road tracking a naagloshi trying to kill the fucking thing. NOT. EASY. There's not much they can do to a holy man, but fuck if they can't tear up anything else).

>>696581633
From what I gather the demons they are talking about arent necessarily Christian demons, because they also talk about nature spirits and shit. Also they keep saying its just science and math. These demons are more like metaphysical beings, and arent necessarily evil either.

>>696581585
See >>696580878
Keep up, asshole.

>>696581587
Death is a mortal idea. Service is unending. Say you know how to communicate with the other realm, it's like a market. You go from stand to stand in search of what you want. The problem is that the cost is action. The elements want confusion and chaos because it is not known to them. Imagine hearing quantum theories while in grade school. They simply cannot understand mortality because they've never experienced it.

>>696581890
You're simple.

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>>696566865
Can't sell something that doesn't exist.

>>696580409
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

When I was younger I was a huge Christfag even though I was raised by non-religious parents. I prayed every night before bed and didn't curse and tried to be a good person and had bible verses written down and stuff. For years I considered myself a Christian and believed in God and everything until one day for whatever reason I decided I wanted to sell my soul to Satan. I told him and pleaded with him and I think I cried. I didn't think anything of it but after that I was not into Christianity anymore, started going on 4chan, started being a more mean person for no reason, became anorexic, started cutting my arms, swearing, doing sexual stuff, tried alcohol and marijuana, got in trouble in school, hated my parents, etc. I never thought it had anything to do with anything, but who knows? I consider myself an agnostic now (I'm 22), but I believe there is something to religion and there are things beyond this world that we cannot comprehend.

Someone explain this? How do potheads summon demons?

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>>696581585
No.ITTsAboutHigæGRÆDs.

>>696582477
>autistic works

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>>696582448
Fuck i wanted to sell my virginity , ahh nevermind i will sell yours fag.

>>696582211
Damn. Are there any possible ways for me to get into this though. I dont know any masters.

>>696582298
.....what..

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Y'all into your pottery too much.

>>696582483
>I believe there is something to religion
Yeah, we call that faith
You fucked yourself over, anon, YOU

>>696567410
Underrated

>>696582483
I have a feeling that this is not bait and that's just sad but if it is it's fucking 10/10.

>>696582211
Please do search further I South American practices. I'm no scholar but have learned much. Though I cannot say upon the relativity of other ideals.

>>696582298
Thanks for the answer, very enlightening.

>>696582483
What happened to you is called puberty. Dont worry, the devil probably doesnt have your soul.

>>696566865
Your entire life you have been selling your soul for the things you want

>>696567410
OP here. Well i would have one , but i sacraficed your mother last week four the whale demons.

>>696581633
DO NOT CONTACT ANGELS EVER.

Sorry for the capslock, but never contact an angel. EVER. There's a reason that whenever they appear in the old testament they open by saying "BE NOT AFRAID"

Give me a demon any day, at least you know what they're going to do.

Plus they're harder to call. There's never been a successful summoning of an angel. They show up when they damn well please.
>>696582298
>>696581587
We've covered this. It's dealing. Negotiation.
See this >>696575042
>>696582485
They don't. Drugs aren't useful in summonings, if you're going after a demon. You want to be high while dealing with a fucking demon?
>>696582618
Its kind of an exclusive club, sadly. There are only about a hundred masters in the world, and probably about two thousand students/journeymen on top of that.

You know demons arent real, right?

>>696566865
go work for the united states government

>>696580800
Yo, is there any truth to the whole 'black mirror' thing? Like, do you use those or is that just bs?

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>>696566865
perhaps

but who should possibly wish to purchase it?

>>696582765
;)

>>696567150
Top kek

>>696582626
The idea of purpose driven life is foreign. For most elements, the need for certain criteria apply. Death is the greatest value, for what did you die? How did you feel? What did you want?

That's the problem with dealing with these forces. They'll do anything in their power to survive

>>696582778
I probably will once my current research is done. There's a lot of research funding out there for young practitioners who are willing to tramp out into the boonies to learn from folk practitioners. Older scholars and arcanists may scoff from their ivory towers at the lowly folk practitioners below, but truth is that a lot of advancements come from primitive cultures. High energy conversion came from Durham's study of Voodoo practitioners. Healing crystals were debunked by Li Xian's study of native american practitioners.
>>696583182
I've never even heard of that, so I'm guessing it's BS. I'll look it up now, give me a second. If might just be a folk practitioner thing I've never heard of.

>>696582962
Exclusive club? More like a gaybar.

First I'd suggest identifying the properties of your soul so you understand it's true value before trading it to a skilled demonic force that is more than willing to take advantage of your naivety.

>>696567410
kek´d

>>696583368
>>696583182
Yeah, no, that's just a superstition thing near as I can tell. I can't find any certified information on them (at least from arcanist sources).

>>696566865
>possible to sell my soul

Yes it is. I work as an advance scout for a well-connected council (their version of a corporation). I'll need $500 to start your application in the pipeline.

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>>696582779
And don't let them b8 u with installing the idea of having this is all u have. It ain't. It's all about selling.

>>696583480
Yeah, pretty much. Mine is one of only three female masters on the planet, and the gender split among practitioners is like 90/10. As "advanced" and 'logical" as arcanist practitioners tend to be, we don't tend to be the most progressive lot, though that is changing.

>>696582962
What makes you think demons and angels exist?

>>696583368
Its just a shame many people consider these practices barbaric when it's only truth. I do hope you're studies find you below the equater. I don't believe, I know.

>>696583730
Fking gipsy scammer.

>>696583900
autism

>>696582298
What is beyond life for the average Joe? It's life's unanswered question and I'm damn curious to know what will happen. I do know that energy cannot cease, so my "soul" will end up somewhere... correct?

>>696582298
That's... That's not strictly accurate. I could be wrong, but to me you seem like either you're a layman who doesn't know what he's talking about or at the very least you're being misleading. Saying we can't understand death because we've never experienced it is inaccurate. There are littlerally hundreds of papers released by practitioners who sold their soul, died, and were able to relay the experience from wherever they ended up. It's not like we're lacking in accounts or data here.

>>696582298
So, did 'my soul' exist before I was born? or is each baby a 'new soul'?

>>696584036
We just don't know, and if anyone else tells you they do know, they're either lying or mistaken. We can tell what happens to souls that are sold or contracted to metaphysical entities because we can find and interact with them. They can even be summoned if you have an UNBELIEVABLE amount of resources and the consent of whatever entity that has their soul.

There are a lot of theories, but we don't actually have a testable answer.

>>696584020
>>696583900
See >>696580878
Keep the fuck up.

>>696567624
>>696567905
>>696569472
>>696570384
>>696570987
>>696572042
>>696576631

Are you guys actually fucking serious or what. Demons.....really. Please show me one shred of evidence that anything like a demon exists. Anything tangible at all. I'll wait patiently

>>696584506
>Are you guys actually fucking serious or what. Demons.....rea
>>696574666

>>696584218

Depends on whether you're Mormon or not.

>>696584668
I'm a Gemini

>>696584443
autism is still the answer

marry a jew

is white noise somehow connected with demons ?

>>696583900
Demons because they're easy to contact and summon if you know how.
Angels because. Uhg, fuck angels man. Angels are harder to quantify. They're way more powerful than demons, and there don't seem to be very many of them, but they also take different forms and they tend to be utterly fucking terrifying. There's a reason whenever an angel appears in the old testament they greet people by saying "be not afraid."

They can't be summoned, they tend to just show up whenever and wherever they want, sometimes to turn the course of history, other times to do seemingly innocuous things. For example, the angel Uriel basically nuked a few cities in ancient Mesopotamia (this is where the myth of fire and brimstone falling on Sodom and Gomorrah comes from), but then seventy two years ago, Uriel appeared in the stronghold at Edinburgh, turned all the clocks back an hour, then disappeared.

So I reiterate: FUCK ANGELS.

>>696584153
Care to shed some light on what dying is like?

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>>696567624
>>696567905

>>696584506
>>696584644
>>696584799
>REEEEEEEEE
See >>696580878

It's just stories lads. It's fun.

>>696566985
Great, selling lots of souls here.

>>696584644
Satan's "number is actually 616

>>696584036
>>696584153

Death really doesn't exist. It's an illusion brought by meaning. Chances are most people reading this have died at some point. You're recalled to experience something. The universe requires diverse experience but has a limited amount of beings to do so. Death is a false flag to create urgency and action. Mathematics in its purest form is realizing multiple demensions. Those exist to find your way in a careless world. For the critics, I learned this from a Nicuraguan shaman missing many teeth.

>>696585153
YouDiDnTGetMæPoint.

>>696584932
No, actually that's universal background radiation. Not everything is a demon mate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background
>>696585137
Negotiating for one's soul is a lot like a job interview son. You may be the one in need, but you have to make them want you.

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>>696583182

basically, 'black' mirrors are just dark reflecting mediums, whether a pool of water, a mirror, polished black stone

many were of convex shape and--as in the case of the chaude glass or chaude case--used extensively during the 18th and 19th centuries for painting landscapes, as these scenes were frequently painted FACING AWAY from the subject, so only the reflection would be painted.

black mirrors have the effect of removing the subject from the painting and imparting a glowing, amber, mellow quality such as a landscape suffused with the light of late afternoon.

many people also employed dark mirrors for meditative or mystical purposes, as for necromancy or divination (scrying).

the sybil of the oracle at delphi, as well as the pythia of the oracle once it had rededicated to apollo, among others, were entranced by the 'vapours' of the cave and looked at the oomphalus (the navel of the world), a dark pool of water collected in front of her throne, to divine wisdom.

nostradamus described his 'visions' as originating during his meditations in a darkened room, staring into a bowl of water on a tripod for inspiration (not a crystal ball, as many maintain).

many people during the last 2,000 years have set up such psychomantea, whether in a mirrored room or chamber, or as a large, single mirror angled in front of the seated subject, in a totally or partially darkened room.

The idea is that there is just enough light to draw your attention into what looks like an infinite void, be drawn outside yourself and open yourself up to whatever might be out there.

a psychomanteum is easy to make; the method is to induce trance by reflecting darkness.

in more recent years (since the 1950's and 1960s), it became more fashionable to create sensory deprivation chambers, suspend the body in high saline solution at body temperature, dampen sounds, light and touch to produce something similar.

unfortunately, all too often this was accompanied by lsd, etc.

>>696585085
so, when you die can you become a demon or angel? or whats the deal there regarding origins?

>>696566865
I'll take it. 50¢

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>>696585298
Quite possibly.
>>696585257
>For the critics, I learned this from a Nicuraguan shaman missing many teeth.
Seems legit!

>>696585243
why not '6 three score, and 6'?

>>696584374
My family has a history of knowing how and when they're going to die. Dead ancestors always end up visiting within a week of their death and/or life-long premonitions. Can this be explained?

>>696585465
You don't really die. Your spirit finds its way into the mortal world, because only mortality in essence requires change.

I think the moral of all this talk is to NOT CONTACT DEMONS. These are entities that are difficult to comprehend and impossible to control. I am not even so sure they are interested in our "souls". We are stupid enough to think they are.

Again, you are dealing with uncontrollable entities. Lucifer doesn't exist..."he" isn't some red guy with a pitchfork fucking some guy named chris the metrosexual. These are entities from another realm that have lived for eons, that for some reason take interest in our "interest" of them.

I will say, Pedigree matters. So does how many times your mind has been fractured...they can find a home in you if you have what people used to call "multiple personality disorder".

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>>696566865
I'll pay like $100 bucks for it if you are willing, however, warning, I will dedicate your soul to the Lord Jesus Christ and write your name in the book of the Holy Mother in my church. Are you interested/that broke that you would sell your soul for $100?

>>696585153
There's a motherfucker in my area who is supposedly a wizard but I think he's just a scammer. There's still people paying him to do wizard stuff because of autism. I one made my friend call him and fuck with him and we did until he got real angry and started trowing curses on him, like 'may cancer eat you away' and shit like that. kek.

>>696585571
Create and be created.

>>696566865
souls do not exist
You can sell your life though, what's the minimum wage in your country?

Are OUIJA boards bullshit?

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>>696586013
>You can sell your life though
It's prolly easier just to sell your ass

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>>696585801
Sold!

>>696566865
u know full well u dont have a soul
and the joke for the thread is: u already sold it for dirt cheap while drunk. No refunds.

>>696585582

The gematria in the original manuscript was misinterpreted by a translator.

>>696585674
Either selffulfilling prophicy or gifted. But that's just a guess.

>>696585465
>Can you become a demon or an angel.
No. Well, mostly no. Angel? Fuck no. An angel is more comparable to a hurricane that can think, or a demigod. They are utterly beyond humans, and they're god damn terrifying, almost Lovecraftian. As for becoming a demon, sort of. If you sell/entrust your soul to a demon powerful enough, they can manifest their own energy into the world, and your soul can inhabit that energy. In that state, you are more or less a human soul inhabiting a demonic shell.
>Origins
Okay, for angels, again, fuck angels. We just don't know. They don't really talk to people very much, and when they do, they don't answer questions, they give orders or warnings.
As for demons, it depends on the type. Demon is just a word we use to identify predatory spiritual entities originating outside our world. The word demon is more like animal or plant or fungus than anything else. It's more of a classification than a specific type of entity.
>>696585674
Precognition. It's extremely rare, highly fallible, and contrary to what many swindlers all over the world will tell you, it can't be actively controlled or used to directly perceive anything other than yourself.
>>696585788
This!
Not so much the incomprehensible part, we can study them; the scientific method still applies. but the "don't summon demons" part is good advice. That shit takes training.
>>696585827
Probably a con man or a charlatan. If an actual practitioner started openly practicing magic, the arcanists and templars would come down on them like a hammer.

>>696585801
dude, thats some nice sculpting

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>>696586620
Yeeah, isn't it amazing? Check this shit out.

>>696586957
is this the nicer bust?

Sure but there's downsides and you'll end up paying for it in the long run.

Go for it if you're short sighted

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>>696587075
>>696585801
>>696587075
Nice bust, but I prefer this one.

>>696586602
Precog isn't rare at all. It's just disregarded.

>>696585243
NO.
ITTwasnt.
MÆneverHadA№.

>>696587163
Not necessarily. If you get a good contract you can end up with an afterlife that's quite fair. Technically we don't know what happens to an unbound soul, so it's possible that uncommitted souls just disappear. Only the most powerful spiritual entities know, and they sure as shit aren't talking.

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>>696586957
those eyes r weird. Check this

>>696587209
fake plastic shit

So what about extra terrestrial life? Surely anyone that has arrangements with demons is can find out truthfully if they exist or not.

>>696586602
>angels are utterly terrifying

In a 'raw power' way, or visually?

Also, wtf do demons look like?

>>696585243
ThæyJust Stole&Sold it, as THÆY alwaysDiD with Out THoughts,Wᴔrx&DOX

Does anyone really even care about the divide of power?

>>696587659
The fuck is that

>>696586296
more profitable at least
well
depends on the ass

>>696587362
nice sculpture

>>696587617
there r some sick descriptions of angels in bible. They r shown more like from bayonetta, than what u want to think about them.

>>696588068
yeah, i know

>>696587362
I'd hit it
I'm rock hard

>>696587790
You can be alone on a raft and survive, or say yes to a world that becomes you. Truth lies and deception gives.

>>696587277
Isn't rare at all? Okay, just to be clear I'm talking real precognition, not the spacey potheads who get high and dream that they can see the future. Actual precognition is plenty rare. If you look at things in terms of total number of precognitive individuals versus total population of the world it's like 0.00000142857%. Maybe a little higher, as those numbers don't account for the increasing numbers of practitioners over the last eight years (this is from Durham's 2007 study, bit old, but his methodology is solid).
>>696587422
Actually they're natural. It was mostly a joke though.
>>696587617
>How are angels scary
How AREN'T angels scary. They tend to be huge, horrifying beings who speak with a voice that shakes the world around them. What they look like depends entirely on the viewer, but there are a few themes that tend to show up: usually lots of eyes, lots of wings, triangles and circles....
>What do demons look like?
This question doesn't really make sense. What do animals look like? What do plants look like?
>>696587659
Clarify. That can mean a dozen different things.
>>696587550
Angels don't answer questions, and demons technically are extraterrestrial, as a demon is defined as a predatory entity originating somewhere other than this world.

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>>696588229

So, who the fuck is 'the devil' then? You guys seem to think 'he' exists. But you cant deal directly with him, etc.

My questions are;

1) Whats he look like
2) whats his 'tue' name, (you guys seem to like that phrase)
3) whys he so badass
4) why doesnt he take meetings?

>not mocking, genuinely curious

>>696586602
not really openly practicing I found out because his daughter is my cousins girlfriend, supposedly his grandma was a wizard too but I wouldn't believe he's a wizard even if I see him flying around on a broomstick.

>>696588296
Don't get all spacey here. Explain logically and in sensible terms, or at least define the terms you're using.
>>696588150
This. Angels are more like an H.P. Lovercraft terror or a god than anything else. They're terrifying, supernaturally powerful, and no one really knows a damn thing about them.

>>696588321
I digress to say that the majority of precog is unknown. There is no data to il understand it.

>>696588624
I don't have to.

>>696570384

shut the fuck up you faggot.

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>>696574666

>>696566865
https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/religion.occult.new_age/Magick/Complete%20Book%20Of%20Witchcraft.pdf

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So... When I was about 14 my mom told me that when she was my age a curse was put on my family by some gypsy because of something her dad had done, the curse is something to the effect of never experiencing the feeling of being truly satisfied or having no real desire to chase it, is there any way I can lift it or contact an entity who can help or guide me..?

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>>696568246

>>696588591
>What is the devil
Which one? There are ultimate evils in dozen different religions. Even if you're talking about christian devils, Satan and Lucifer aren't the same being.

Many of the great evils of mythology are just that: myths. Some are real, like for example we know that lucifer is an angel, and we know other angels don't like him, but we don't know why or really anything else about him.

The problem with these ancient evils is that they are, as one might expect of an ancient evil, really hard to study. We just don't know much.
>>696588771
You have no basis for saying that. Precognition is quantifiable and quite easily traceable (since it's a phenomenon taking place through time, you don't even need to be there when it's happening to detect it.) That's like saying that censuses aren't accurate because census officers don't talk to every single human alive.
>>696588912
Okay... Then you probably shouldn't expect good discussion.
>>696589291
Reputable sources don't just post their information in a cheap, convenient mass produced book format.

Think about it, even if an actual summoning ritual did end up in a book like that, it would be useless. First, and most obviously, if the demon starts getting summon calls ALL THE TIME because a book was released, it'll just stop answering them. Imagine if your phone was going off every two seconds every day forever.

Also there's the little factor that once you get a True Name spread out that much it's basically useless.

it seems like u fucks started discussing religion. Show me a proof of demons, devils, angles or god existing, for starters

>>696589681
Imagine taking this thread and it's topic so seriously.

>>696589260
KnowMÆ?

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>>696590070
if angles dont exist what are these

>>696590337
true
i meant "angels"

>>696568499
http://sellyoursoul.com

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>>696589681
How close was I, anon?

>>696590337
that is a .gif file.

it is made of many pixels

>>696590100
See>>696580878

>>696590070
>>696590100
they prob just like writing this stuff for fun

>>696582211
so if im 18+ does that mean i cant cast spellz and shiet? But I want to summon demons :((

>>696590478
On, for the most part. A few off. Why?

>>696590494
HesRite.NoSignleAngleOrAnchor.#

>>696590494
76937 pixels. I found out by using magic.

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>>696578977
Can I have a nature spirit as a friend?

>>696591010
why the fuck not.