How about I convince to not vote for trump(Jill stein and Gary Johnson are also objectively worse than Hillary, and I can elaborate)
if you stopped arguing about your feelings, emails and racism and looked at their policies side by side it's no contest, trump looks like shit everytime. >600 billion to deport Americans that would be benifical if they were legalized. >disband EPA >deregulating energy sector will bring fuel prices down >multi billionaire pays same tax rate as plumber making $150,001 a year >Verizon pays same tax rate as mom and pop stores >abolish estate tax >35% tariff on China >DENIES CLIMATE CHANGE I could go on for a long while without even touching how shitty trump is as a person. Trump is a terribly inept candidate and you have to be retarded to rationalize voting for him.
>>696344307 I'm having trouble trying to figure out what your point was. Are you saying you just won't vote? Are you saying trump isn't promising heaven and earth in exchange for your vote? I'm confused.
>>696343380 >deport americans You realize their illegals and therefore not americans right? >would be beneficial Oh, like the above 74% unemployable refugees in germany? >deregulating Free market is a thing you cuck >tariff Do you imply this would not provide causation for firms to move into the us for competitive advantage? >climate change Was gonna happen regardless what little impact we have does not instill more than marginal effect
But saudi arabia already owns the us so hillary cant sellout much of it anyway
>>696344031 I'm on my phone so I can't read while typing, but the first statement about deportation is terrible speculation. I believe in less government regulation when there are competing sources. Having the same tax rate is not a bad thing (it's not a fucking flat tax amount- it's a motherfuckin rate so they're obviously paying way more than someone making less). Nobody gives a shit about estate tax. And taxing imports from China will either give the government money or make people buy more made I the us. Ever notice that imports in other countries are more expensive- it's not a foreign evil concept.
>>696345508 > Yeah, I called those undocumented Americans Americans to trigger you > Not talking about refugees > The point was deregulating the energy sector won't bring oil prices down because it's an international market and will sell to the highest bidder. That's why Canada is an oil producer and is still subject to the same price fluctuations as us. And deregulating the energy sector would be detrimental to the common good, why should private intrests be allowed to do whatever they want at the exspense of the people? > No compainies wouldn't move to America, it would still be cheaper to produce goods in China. The only thing that would happen is you would have to pay more for goods. > Actually anthropogenic ghg emmisons are directly responsible for global warming via the greenhouse effect that is causing the climate to change. This is an empirically known causal relationship.
>>696345940 Crime rate is at its lowest point since 2006. What are you talking about? Yeah, BlM is annoying and they need to go away but not at the cost of electing trump. There would be so many more problems than just the blm holding up traffic.
>>696346541 Stine has a great plan for education reform. Same thing the US did for bailing out wall street. I haven't seen any info about Johnson being in with the Koch brothers but he is a libertarian and wouldn't doubt it.
>>696346412 Guy you replied to here. Third party is all fine and well. I'd rather vote Johnson than trump. But Johnson getting a huge following means nothing more than a slam dunk for Hillary. And we can't afford a Hillary win as a country. We will survive 4 years of the guy that doesn't know what he's doing and will be kept in check by congress. We will never survive even 2 years of the bitch that knows exactly what she is doing and wants and has been shown to be above the law so she will do whatever she wants regardless of what congress has to say about it.
>>696346811 Yes stein has good points, but remember the main policies for the green party is energy. I cant get behind a candidate who wants to completely change the energy sector in four years without using us patented nuclear energy. Im all for getting away from oil, but you cant do that without using some nuclear. Otherwise we will be even more in china's debt borrowing patents for wind and solar. I cant support that.
>>696347154 While I don't like her stance on nuclear, devolping solar and wind energy is one of the best things we could do. This problem is much bigger than China. I don't like Jill because she can't into science and that makes environmentalism look bad.
>>696347271 >fair I hear this word a lot. How does one determine what is fair? Don't the walthy _earn_ their money, too? Why is it fair to take away more from them? Where is the line where it's not fair anymore?
>>696347430 Wait, the president is responsible for crime in Europe too now? You're letting the media fool you mate. Crime is down. Chicago is bad don't get me wrong but here in New York everything is just peachy. The stats back me up nationwide
>>696345894 even when I remove the likely deaths: car crashes, heart disease, suicides that aren't entirely fishy, etc. SHE STILL LOOKS LIKE SHE'S HAVING PEOPLE KILLED obviously subjective but damn, lol props to her for skirting the law for so long
>>696347524 Yes developing the technology is my whole point. Until we develop the technology we cant move forward. Im talking about buying patents from china, because they are miles ahead of us in the renewable energy field. I cant support that.
We know that at certain levels of wealth, it basically just sits and collects. As more wealth is acquired, a smaller percentage of it is actually spent. It's the fundamental flaw behind trickle-down, and why higher wage brackets are taxed at a higher rate - they simply won't spend that shit. It's impossible unless you're Nicolas Cage, buying a bunch of pointless retarded shit and trying to go bankrupt as fast as possible.
Factor in that a lot of excess wealth is also passed down from within wealthy families, and you start to see the picture that the money belonging to the rich may not be as fairly earned as they like to boast.
>>696348111 There it is. "Fair". What does that even mean? Is it "fair" that Taylor Swift is making millions for almost no work? I would think so, isn't it up for the costumer to throw their money at her if they like? Also how is it not fair for the rich to benefit off their wealth through interest rates? Haven't they earned the money? Wouldn't it be unfair to take that away from them just because others didn't? Should we take their money away, because the inherited it from their fathers?
Please draw a line of what you consider fair and unfair.
>>696348254 >implying others think like you Yes tell me how china is thinking like you. Tell me how they arent looking for an upper hand. You cant hide behind a global issue, and ignore what other countries want. Also the only reason i support renewables is so we cant stop using oil because it is a finite resource. I dont care about this man made climate change mess. To think humans in 100 years have irreparably damaged a eons old planet is very arrogant of the human race.
>>696348440 Fair is a tax plan that benifits everyone and not just the ultra rich. There is a reason the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer and it's these retarded tax plans that aren't proportional to the precentage of wealth taken in.
Why should the privileged few be allowed to do whatever they want at the exspense of the common person?
>>696348664 Do you not get that dumping trillions of tons of greenhouse gases that are empirically known to cause the greenhouse effect will cause the planet to warm up, do you not get it that a riseing mean temp changes the climate. It's extremely arrogant of you to think you know better than 97% of the experts that study this and the mountains of empirical evidence supporting our claim.
>>696349286 >our claim Oh youre one of the experts huh? >rising temps From historically collected data that is, in terms of the earth, very young. We are leaving a small ice age, of course the temps are going to rise from data collected during it. The earth is very resilient and just because some sentient apes burn fuels doesnt mean we are facing a catastrophe.
>>696348664 Global warming is not even a hard concept. Greenhouse gases absorb and transmit infrared energy. We release greenhouse gases and we release a fuckton. Like what is there to get. Besides its not farfetched to think we've caused irreparable damage. We've all but deforested our planet.
>>696348770 So it's fair that someone who didn't get an education and was a lazy fuck all his life benefits from the hard earned money of others?
>these retarded tax plans that aren't proportional to the precentage of wealth taken in. Good point.
>There is a reason the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer Outsourcing, automatization, immigration of unskilled labourers, etc. I'd say taxation is the last thing that would narrow the gap. Assuming the gap should be narrowed in the first place.
>privileged Not everyone with money is privileged. Is Bill Gates privileged? No. He started out in a garage and made his way to the top, earning every penny he makes.
>>696349646 > No, I'm making the same claim they are > The current warming trend is directly correlated to and caused by anthropogenic ghg emmisons. >>696349755 Yes we have, we've about pulled all the fish out the sea aswell.
>>696349976 That money isn't always hard earned. Its easier to make money when you have money, so if we want to make things fair, yes its fair for someone who started off with more and milks the system to help more.
>>696350504 I didn't even need to leave your source to tell you why you are wrong
>The rise in solar activity at the beginning of the last century through the 1950s or so matches with the increase in global temperatures, Usoskin said. But the link doesn't hold up from about the 1970s to present.
>"During the last few decades, the solar activity is not increasing. It has stabilized at a high level, but the Earth's climate still shows a tendency toward increasing temperatures," Usoskin explained.
>He suspects even if there were a link between the Sun's activity and global climate, other factors must have dominated during the last few decades, including the increase of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
>>696351658 Petrol employs a shit ton of people and they cant just transfer to renewable energy sector. The manufacturing of these panels and mills will not take place in the usa anyway because of nafta and tpp, so we are outsourcing the labor and money is leaving the country. Petrol is also used massively in agriculture, enough so that cutting dependence on it will cause crop failure and starvation.
>>696352063 We need desperately need agricultural reform anyways. And America throws away 31% of its food http://www.endhunger.org/PDFs/2014/USDA-FoodLoss-2014.pdf Climate change has a much greater effect on food production
>>696352658 Sure we need to do that as well, but cutting off non renewable sources of energy wont change the fact that it would cripple the usa. The only way to make it work is to offer free 2 year schooling, put an end to trade agreements for at least 10 years, and to up unemployment benefits. But how can you pay for all this when you just killed a huge section of the gdp? We do need to ween ourselves off, but stein, sanders, and clinton want to kill it quickly. This will destroy our country.
if you sat down and watched a few video with an open mind you you never in a trillion years vote for a Clinton. But you guys have you heads up you ass and don't bother to learn about here and her husband. Nothing the pro Clinton liberal media does not feed you reaches your ears.
DNC controlling the narrative with time released stories. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450 DNC conspiring to create false Trump information and release with Reuters. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102 DNC Hillary supporters infiltrated Sanders campaign. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4776 DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13762 Super PAC paying young voters to push back online Sanders supporters. Paid shills. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351
>People actually voted for Hillary >Leaked E-mails prove she colluded with the DNC to keep Bernie from winning >Has a terrible record compared to Bernie >Bernie has ALWAYS done better in the polls than either Hillary or Trump >Hillary's supporters and super delegates don't care >Hillary will win the nomination >Principled Progressives will vote Third Party >Centrists will vote Democrat >The party splits >Donald Trump becomes President
DNC discussing Hillary’s policies as unfeasible. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/519 $200k for a private dinner with Hillary. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17287 Offering to send interns out to fake a protest against the RNC. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366 Faking outrage and pasting in a video later. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102 A mole working inside of the Sanders campaign. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7793 Bringing up Sanders religion to scare the southern voters. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11508 Politico writer sending his stories to the DNC before he sends them to his editor. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10808 DNC feeding CNN the questions they want to be asked in interviews. https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077
>>696353381 I think we need to work toward mutually Beneficial trade agreements that work for the people and not whatever has the money. Please explain how Hillary or Bernie are going to get rid of a huge chunk of the gdp? Petrol will be replaced by something that makes money, and this needs to happen as soon a possible if we are to avoid the worst effects.
1. She runs Child Prostitution Rings for her illuminati friends (NYC locally). 2. Her husband fucked Monica in the Oval Office. 3. She is part of illuminati cult that will make her President. 4. She has vaginal infection that generates wicked smell that made Donald Trump look at Billy and say "Man.. Billy.. I feel your pain.. thank Godness I got this latino woman as my wife!". 5. She transforms into a devil and TR1 made her the final boss. 6. ??????. 7. PROFIT!!!!!
>>696351548 >A less well off person coming to make as much as someone who started with wealth That's wrong or correct depending on the definition of wealth. However if you say people who earned their money and are wealthy are irrelevant, because they're not the "norm", then let me tell you rich people in general are not the norm, so why are you so damn concerned about them?
Trumps military plan is focused solely on defense while he handles the debt problem.
His foreign policy is much better than Hillary's in my eyes because it makes sure that we are always gaining something tangible from our allies. NATO is having to deal with ISIS, and we're funding their defenses, but gaining nothing in return. We have the military power to defend them with our troops in exchange for payments, which is a better deal on our end in the grand scheme of things. Yes, some men may die, but that sacrifice will not be in vain, as it will be protecting the innocent people constantly being killed by these jihadist fucks, provided the EU stops being such pussy SJW's in regards to refugees.
>>696357399 Yea, it's sad. People interpret the republicans supporting Hillary as a sign that Trump is bad for the American people, while the real reason those politicians don't want Trump is because he's against the establishment. It's a shame that so many don't seem to understand that.
>>696356122 No it wont. Petrol is a natural resource meaning wherever it is, those people benefit. Solar panels and wind mills can be made literally anywhere with any semblance of manufacturing. Just look at what happened in areas with heavy coal mining in the states. What has replaced those jobs, oh natural gas. You cant just say "oh we will replace the jobs" when it is so much more expenisve to do these jobs in the states. It wont happen. You cant have a bunch of office jobs just swoop in and take in these displaced miners, and roughnecks.
>>696358244 >we're at war with him No you're not you media slave.
>he's a totalitarian right wing terrorist Well, he's more authoritarian than libertarian, but he's neither a terrorist nor totalitarian. In fact his foreign politics is pretty fucking solid, the only part that needs fixing are his internal affairs, but what do you care about them?
>You can join America - or Russia. >You're either with us or with the enemy. Hello, Bush, how are you doing?
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