>>696210350 Civil societies own guns though. >amerifat Guess how I know you can't make a decent argument? Not every gun owner is an overweight redneck like the rest of the world claims. plenty of regular looking people in the US own and carry firearms.
>>696210387 Exactly. The only reason a person should be able to own a gun is for hunting and target shooting on a range. You do not need handguns, assault rifles, auto shotguns, or smgs for any of that
Because the "Assault Rifle 15" is a scary black weapon that can fire 1,000,000,000,000,000 clips per magazine every quarter of a second and each magazine holds 1,000,000,000,000 clips which each hold 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 armor-piercing, heat-seeking, kryptonite superbullets that are designed to kill 20 tanks at once and can destroy anything and kill people instantly just by looking at them.
>>696212354 No the second amendment is about keeping a well armed former colonial population armed with muskets so that if the british came back to reinvade time would not be wasted arming the population to fight back. The second amendment should only apply to the guns of the era it was written in. Kinda hard to shoot up a school if it takes you 30 seconds to load between shots
>Asians will conquer the world and are the master race:
1) They invented everything we use: rockets, paper, forks, guns, working vertical flight (unlike davinci), wheels, writing (which Greece copied from Mongoloid Mesopotamia) and manufacture everything today. Chong engineering splodes German bs to hell.
>2) The Chinese never abused their absolute power over the Philippines, willing tributary States (Vietnam, Korea, Tibet); all was peaceful until Euraberica began mettling with failed proxy wars.
3) The Japanese were beyond honorable in how they treated their conquered subjects, even released and paid POWs for their labor... until they friended Germany in ww2.
>4) These 3 Chongs never unnecessarily nor independently decided to ravage/exploit the shit out of a foreign land like the Dutch in Africa or Spain, Portugal n USA in America's.
5) in Africa, China has been building schools, hospitals, infrastructure while employing Africans instead of shoving in bibles, taking their food, diamonds, etc.
>6) During natural disaster they all work together to make sure everyone lives; there's no price gouging Jews or Rambo thieves.
7) their marriage + infidelity rates are far lower than Euraberica, where lifestyles cause middleage men to commit suicide and die poor.
>8) Their media isn't as depraved as ours, e.g. tosh.o's 'black dildo fight' where a young boy got raped and In his other videos ppl get killed.
9) they actually get shit done instead of working 1 half hour or 2 half hour a day like in Ameroupe.
>10) Highest IQs, lowest crime rate. Their lit doesn't glorify murder, suicide, crying over destiny, cheating or wallowing in sorrow - respectively, Shakespeare, oedipus, and western poetry)
11) Never invaded the middle east for false flags like 9/11 and nukes (occupation kills 100,000s of innocents+created enemies RN)
>12) No Abrahamic morality or western laws to stop their already-made progress in human biological engineering.
>>696213231 >So where do you live where there is zero violent crime?
I live in this wonderful little place called canada and in canada 95% of gun crimes comitted are by shithead criminals trying to kill other shithead criminals with illegal guns from murica. Civilians die from gun crime often because said shithead criminals cant shoot for shit and end up killing somebody else with a stray bullet
>>696212622 As long as you enjoy it. 9, .40, .45 all do the same job. 9mm is just a bit cheaper to shoot and gives you more capacity, but .40 is a close follow up. >FN Enjoy you quality firearm sir. I just got myself an FNX-9.
>>696213011 where in the 2nd amendment does it mention muskets? The Supreme Court has ruled the the second amendment applies to all bearable arms in common use.
>>696212834 Whatcha got and what is your favorite and why?
>>696214232 There is no such place. But there ARE places where that is extremely unlikely due to highly restricted access to guns and other weapons that can be used to kill en mass. These places are known as "civil societies" perhaps you should visit one and see for yourself
>>696214372 nah man completely the opposite haha im latino myself. i was just curious what his nationality was because like i said earlier a lot of people ive met that get caught with guns are illegals and they get deported immediately after that. funny thing is they are they usually back in a couple months
>>696214892 But to from france itself. If you strip away all the shit that happens because of some muzzie doing a jihad and look at gun crime in a place like france i have no doubt that you will see a MUCH lower rate of gun crime and people being victimised by it.
>>696214985 We need guns to >protect ourselves from other (especially brown) Americans >be ready to fight a horribly tyrannical government >fight the British >fight the French >fight the Russians and the Chinese when they invade A chicken in every pot, and a cap in every ass.
>>696215143 The ones who abide by canadian laws get their guns FROM CANADA! You cant just import guns willy nilly up here, that shit will land you in jail, get you a life time weapons ban and get all your guns confiscated and distroyed by police
>>696214936 I served in the Army for 4 years so I could get free college after getting out; parents were poor as fuck and couldn't afford to send me anywhere. Granted I'm not in the shape I was in after BT, but I'm not scrawny and I'm confident I could disarm someone at close range. I never want to touch a gun again
>>696214180 As a civilian, why not fight back? Aside from the fact you cant legally have a firearm loaded in your home. Whats to stop one of these criminals from kicking in your door? >also still havent shown a place with zero violent crime
>>696214232 Never will any solution remove 100% of a certain crime. All that can be done is drop the numbers. Look at chicago after they got some pro-concealed carry laws. Violent crime rats dropped because criminals knew that they were now at more risk of being killed over their crimes. Of course not every criminal thinks rationally and that how we get stories of the good guy winning on the evening news.
>>696214490 >deter criminal behavior This is what has caused a decline in home invasions, burglaries, robberies, and car jacking throughout the US. people are fed up, arming themselves, and some criminals are getting the message.
>>696214834 where are you now? What is the process there?
>>696214892 Its been shown that they obtained their weapons from the US from the ATF in order to attempt to catch these type of people. Basically the ATF broke the law in a failed sting attempt and caused the death of many but wont own up to it. But remember kids, you can trust youre good ol' government ;) they surely wont do you wrong
>>696209269 I sold all mine. Useless to have. If I shot a person for invading my house here in Cook county, I'd probably be thrown in jail by corrupt liberal government regardless of how nice my insurance is.
>>696215484 Are you telling me that if I had a loaded firearm in my home where I exclusively drink and hate myself I'd be more likely to get cancer or be hit by a car than I would be to blow my brains out? I do not drink publicly. Having a gun would be extremely dangerous.
Both pools and cars are highly regulated, (compared to many gun laws) and serve actual purposes other than harming things. Also, the overall per capita rate of harm between pools and cars is nowhere near that of firearms.
>>696216562 No, I mean in Korea, they don't have those types of problems, so cops don't have to use firearms to deter people from committing those types of crimes. Not to say they don't still happen, but nowhere near on the scale of the U.S. or other countries.
Maiming your enemy gets you further than killing. Their comrades will most likely attempt to get them out of the zone of fire, and if they succeed their injuries will require a lot of valuable time and resources to patch them.
>>696215556 I believe so. For that, AWB 2.0 would not hold up. Most county sheriffs around the country have written open letters to the white house about how they wouldn't enforce future federal gun laws that were threatened after Sandy Hook. Even several states passed nullification laws having to do with federal firearms laws. Just waiting for MI to pass one.
>>696215705 Youre welcome to visit the US and enjoy some of our guns and pro freedom laws...except for California and Massachusetts
What does it take to obtain said firearms in the Britain?
>>696216083 Its something at least. I just got into compound bow shooting as of lately but I dont have much interest in a crossbow
>>696216562 >As a civilian, why not fight back? Aside from the fact you cant legally have a firearm loaded in your home. Whats to stop one of these criminals from kicking in your door? >also still havent shown a place with zero violent crime
Fight back from what? The boggie man?! IF by some random chance somebody tries to break into my home, and thats a BIG fucking if, the chances of them having a gun are slim if not nil. IF somebody is going to do such a thing without a gun i am confident enough to defend myself without one. I'm not some shit scared pussy that needs to be armed to the tits in the rare event that something bad happens to me. Also there are no places where there is no violent crime you shit. There ARE places where violent crime against innocent civilians is exceedingly uncommon, aka civil societies
>>696216673 I know of a few people who had owned illegal weapons got narked or caught with them because of their own stupidity and now have criminal records because of it. 99.9% of the gun owning population in canada do so within the law because owning guns here is a privilage not a right. A privilage that can be taken away if you are dumb enough.
>>696216282 Do you sit by the window with your gun out all night waiting for bad guys to break through? I'm almost 30, I live on the first floor, aka ground level, aka technicly people could burst through my window. In those 28 yrs, guess how many has? None. Not even once. Is that really something I should be scared of?
Nice anecdotal evidence faggot. If I've never had a fire in my house, does that mean it's bad to have a fire extinguisher handy? Or if I've never had a flat tire, should I take the spare tire out of my trunk?
>>696218300 Not really. The VAST majority of home invaders are not looking to commit murder; they're looking for stuff to steal. Usually any sign that someone is home is an immediate deterrent for them, no lethal force necessary.
>>696218300 I think people get too defensive over this stuff. No you don't need to live in fear. I own a gun in case of an intruder. I don't hover over it or sleep with one eye open. I just don't see a reason to not be prepared. There is no reason NOT to own a gun if you're responsible, know how to use it and it's legal.
>>696216562 >where are you now? What is the process there?
You need a license to buy the gun, a different license to be allowed to carry the gun anywhere (even if it's in a locked box), and you need a "valid reason" to own it.
Sport or hunting are a valid reason, but the process is just so convoluted that it's not worth it.
You have to register every single firearm that you own, and every batch of bullets that you buy or otherwise come in possession of (e.g. through inheritance). The license don't even last forever and you need to renew them periodically.
Firearms are also super expensive because supply/demand. I live in a city of 1 million people and I saw like 3 gun shops.
>>696217473 If you want the statistics go find them yourself you lazy murifat. The people who are have inclenation to use guns for crime cannot get them legally in canada, there for need to turn to guns that are obtained through other means...aka smuggled from murica
Never seen a reason to own a gun. In my entire life I've had a single break-in attempt, and the second the guy saw me turn the kitchen light on he ran away. I think they're scared enough of seeing someone home, so again, I see no reason to waste money on a gun.
>>696219008 I cant be bothered to get them myself, given that i live in this country and have owned guns in the past, watch the news ect gives me more authority to speak on this then some fat ass neck beard living in mommys basement. Asking for proof about everything
People often forget that firearms are an investment. One of the only things you can purchase that will retain its value for decades are firearms. Even precious metals fluctuate wildly compared to the arms market.
>>696219258 The home invasion showed me I don't need a gun, so why would I go and get one? Most people who try to rob are NOT looking to kill you, often times they're in deep poverty and are desperate to feed themselves or their family. I'm not a sociopath, so I'm not going to sit in front of my door waiting to put a bullet in someone who's trying to save themselves. Scare them away? Sure. Murder them in cold blood? I'll leave that to you sociopathic gunowners.
>>696219524 Also, I think that "Stand Your Ground" laws need to be seriously revamped. If you shoot someone on your property and they're unarmed, your ass needs to go to prison. Lethal force is used far too often these days because the far-right scares impressionable rednecks into thinking everyone's out to get them
I have a couple guns. I like shooting them. If someone doesn't own one, that's more than cool. What is with you insecure fucking right wing Trump retards? Too fucking stupid to think anything FOX news dosen't tell you. Do us all a big favor and kys.
If they're just on your property as in land, then it's different. They might be there for a number of reasons, like their car broke down and their cellphone is dead so they're trying to reach someone, or so on.
>>696219694 You dont need a full auto assault rifle to defend against a bear numb nuts. A high caliber bolt action rifle (30.06 .308 ect) or a 12 guage would do just fine. But really thats just for the paranoid types. Bear spray works and so does just yelling at them and being more scary then they think they are. Bears are not killing machines, they only attack because they feel threatend or to protect their cubs
>>696220278 It doesn't differ tho, you can legally shoot them on your land too. While they're unarmed and posing no threat to you. Atleast you know you're free(to get shot if you're seeking help after a car crash, nice going faggots.)
>>696220066 That is highly improbable. The Department of Justice tracks homicides that happen during home invasions, and since 2003, a total of 0 deaths have been recorded. A stranger will not bust through your window for the sole reason of killing you.
>>696220278 In the vast majority of home invasion cases (61%), the invader is unarmed and runs at any sign of someone being home. There is absolutely no reason to use lethal force on someone who is unarmed and prepared to leave. I don't know how anyone can think so little of a human life.
>>696215373 "Ze mice to blame for our problems! 'Vis zer cheeze hoarding ways and sneaking around and subverting our ownerz' attention from feeding us on teim! Kill ze Mice, and ze master cat race shall flourish vonce more, mein brozers und sizters!"
>>696217670 If they can break into you're home, they can do damage to you with whatever they used to break in. Just because they don't have a gun doesn't mean they're a threat.
What do you plan to do if there are multiple attackers? What if one of them is much larger or stronger than you are?
>>696219176 >uncle hears window break at about 2am one morning >grabs his gun >sees a guy trying to leave with his TV >guy drops TV and charges him with a knife Guess who is alive and who isnt. Why assume the experience of one is the way things will always be?
>>696219272 Yes and no. A used gun or gun out of production and still in demand will maintain value or increase in value. A used firearm wont be worth as much in monetary value compared to a new one.
The best value of all is what it can be used for though, and that beats money 9/10 times.
>>696219942 but im not a trump supporter. Where is it written in stone that pro-Trump = Pro Gun vice versa?
Why should one trust the intentions of a tresspasser. Clearly they can see someone is home since everyone hase a car in their driveway. So if you're entering an occupied home uninvited with malicious intent, whay should I assume you are not there to cause harm? Dont like getting shot? Dont break in to people's homes. Easy as that. Whats hard to understand? Why make the victim out to be the criminal?
>>696220066 Yes, at all times, just like I always wear my seat belt when I drive. just like how I always replace my smoke detector's batteries aver 3 months, just Like I always have a fire extinguisher on every floor in the house. I do not fear home invasion, collisions, or fires. Im a reasonable adult who knows bad things happen in the world and hopes and dreams wont save e from them so I prepare for them and live my life as normal.
>>696219272 Thats entirely due to constantly increasing retarded government regulation. If firearms were suddenly deregulated like any other simple machine (say a power drill for example) then they would lose value after a few years simply for not being the newest model and having some mechanical wear from use. Also the average prices of firearms would be 1/5 to 1/10 of what they are now.
>>696221121 Not him but fuck no. You never train without a magazine because magazines are always there in a real situation, giving weight and resistance. If you were to get used to no magazine being there, it could get embarrassing quick.
That must be why people living in bear country put giant planks of wood covered in sharp nails over their doors and windows to keep bears out. Clearly you know nothing if you use the words "full auto" and "assault rifle" in the same sentence.
Nobody mentioned kinds of weapons, you only said there is no need to protect yourself from wildlife since the only thing that might try to get into my home is a coyote...
>>696220583 So what about the first amendment? or are you so unamerican that some civil rights don't matter?
>>696220846 >I don't know how anyone can think so little of a human life. And for the other 39% of invaders that do show up with a weapon? Threatening the taking of ones life over material good...I dont know how anyone can think so little of human life.
>>696221257 Many families own more than one car, so seeing a car in the driveway is not a sure sign that someone is home. Are you really paranoid enough to think a stranger is breaking into your home just to harm someone they've never met? They're in your house to steal your shit; they don't give a fuck about you and the DoJ's 0% homicide rate in home invasion cases proves that. People who break into homes are often extremely poor and trying to provide for themselves and their family while working some shitty minimum wage job; can you really murder a person like that and be okay with it? If so, you're probably the most unempathetic person I've ever talked to. Use a taser, a tranq gun, whatever, call the police and let them deal with it. No one has appointed you as the executioner.
>>696221358 If i bear wants to get into your house a peice of wood with some nails driven through it will not stop it. That shit is for the curious passers by. A bear that is hell bent on getting into something will. Period.
>>696221743 That's why a gun should not be the first weapon you use; lethal force is unnecessary in the vast majority of situations that can happen during a home invasion. I'd recommend using a taser or tranq gun
>>696221780 >they dont care about human life >why do i have to Wow. Attempting to rationalize your disregard for life makes you seem even more sad. But in the case they do have a weapon, you assess the situation. Is it a knife? If so you can probably taze them or shoot them with a tranq gun and be done with it. Do they have a gun? Comply and call the police after they leave. Your physical possessions are not worth more than your life.
>>696221984 >People who break into homes are often extremely poor and trying to provide for themselves and their family while working some shitty minimum wage job I have no problem killing a bernie sanders voter if he breaks into my house
>>696209269 I have several firearms. Im not worried about being attacked or home invasion or rising against the government. I just like shooting. I like distance shooting and tactical shooting. Its just fun.
>>696222811 If they have a gun, you don't do anything. Period. I was talking about those non-lethal weapons in the event they're unarmed. Your physical possessions are not worth more than your life, and if you have a family, you bet your ass they'd tell you to back the fuck down before getting into a gun battle with someone in your house. You're right, this isn't a video game, and home invaders aren't looking to kill you, they're looking to steal from you. Armed with that knowledge, you don't approach them with a gun because then you're putting them in a situation where they're FORCED to shoot you.
>>696222135 Tranq gun? You mean tranquilizer? You actually beleive those work in the way they do in movies? Are you that dumb? And why are you even giving the benefit of the doubt to someone whose broken into another persons house?
>>696222598 >Do they have a gun? Comply and call the police after they leave
No, fuck you. First off, you don't know he will stop at stealing. Even here in Italy, where violent crime is rare, there have been reported cases of thiefs literally beating elderly people to death FOR NO FUCKING REASON during a break in. Secondly, it's my home and I'm gonna defend it.
If you step into it armed I'm shooting you in your worthless head multiple times.
>be me >Live in Wyoming >More guns per person than anywhere in the US >More guns than most country's military have >Lowest gun crime rate in the US >Lowest crime rate in the US >Fewer shootings than most countries in the EU >Wyoming is the best state in the US >Wyoming is the best country in the world >Suck my fat Wyoming cock faggot
>>696223488 They work just fine against someone who is unarmed. What are they going to do? You'll be able to detain them until the police arrives without an issue if you manage to hit them with tranquilizer.
>>696223412 >>696223412 >home invaders aren't looking to kill you, they're looking to steal from you. Armed with that knowledge, you don't approach them with a gun because then you're putting them in a situation where they're FORCED to shoot you. Tell that to the Petit family
>>696221257 >What do you plan to do if there are multiple attackers? What if one of them is much larger or stronger than you are? I have in my home this thing i call the pwned bat. Its an aluminum baseball bat, i can use that if i need it, combine that with going into one of the narrow hallways in myhouse would restrict the movement of your imaginary multiple attackers so i would only have to face one at a time, after incapacitating the first, the others would have to fight ontop of their fallen comrad making my job of knocking the daylights out of them even easier. My strategy is something akin to what the spartans used at Thermopylae. Make them come at you through a confined space thus you can confront less of them at a time. Simple really and no handguns or assault weapons required, how bout that
>>696222197 I have never been in a car wreck or been in a fire but still take precautionary measures
>>696221984 See for yourself Google some terms like "armed home invader felon" or the like. cant post the link due to spam filter. many home invaders come armed. Why would they want to be armed when breaking into someones home? Then you wonder why home owners want to be armed yet question the home occupant and not the criminal. . Why are you sympathizing with the criminal?
If you dont want o be shot in my home, dont break into it. I dont fear a home invasion but i am prepared for it. Simple as that.
>>696222598 You make it seem like I walk don the street and kill people. Why do you put trust in a criminal? All I'm saying is if you don't want to be potentially shot, dont break into my home. If you have the nerve to break into my occupied home (not hard to know if a home is occupied or not), why trust their intentions if they encounter the occupant? You cant win this buddy. Criminal apologists are the reason why crime thrives. They catch and release with minimal punishment creating a vision for the criminal in which they can do as they please with no legal action against them.
>>696224279 I'm not a "criminal apologist," I just see all human life as sacred and I believe that murdering an unarmed person is a terrible act. I strongly believe that they should face prison time for breaking in, of course, that's why we have a justice system; but when gunowners decide they're going to be the ones delivering the justice, that's when things get messy.
>>696224483 Yeah, except in 61% of home invasion cases, your life is not threatened (DoJ stat). You just seem like you really want to know what it feels like to kill someone
>>696223739 No they dont. If they did work the way you think they did wed here about police departments carrying trana guns along with their tazers. Thats why anesthesiology is an actual medical specialty, theres no such thing as a drug that can incapacitate anyone at any time. Seriously is no one else noticing this guy recommends you keep a tranq gun for home defense?
>>696217407 its not as bad as some people make out (british gun law) its 12 and over to own a shotgun and 18 over for others in terms of magasine and rounds theres no restriction shoot whatever you want so long as the range can handle it pistols are conceallable so have to have a long barrel and a "stock" and shotguns have a specific definition
>>696225010 >Seriously is no one else noticing this guy recommends you keep a tranq gun for home defense? We all noticed him. With his line of thinking he's worthless to reply to. Wither he's 10 years old, or a complete and utter retard. Don't bother
>>696224854 Actually, I never mentioned Europe a single time, and the statistics I've been referencing are strictly from the Department of Justice, which operates in the *United States* if you don't remember. Also, your shit is covered by insurance. Let's say an armed person breaks into your house with the intent of stealing a few things. You see him there and you reach for your gun, well now you've put him in a situation where he has no choice but to shoot you. US home invaders do not break in with the intent to murder, and using guns against them only escalates the situation unnecessarily. Get the fucker arrested, don't risk your life trying to save a $400 TV.
>>696223854 Okay tough guy. The difference between gun owners and those who think like you is we know that a gun isnt a 100% guarantee of survival. Its a force multiplier. We account for being injured by keeping a medical kit near by for if we are injured (since bullets tend to do that when they hit you).
You on the other hand seem to think that you can somehow single handedly take down a group of criminals with a close range weapon.
>>696224342 Give me a reasonable budget and I can tell you what you can afford.
>>696225010 >at any time When did I ever say it would work immediately? Nowhere. In the case they're unarmed, detaining them and administering a tranquilizer is a very smart move since they'll be out and easy for the police to handle. It sounds like you just don't like the idea because you don't get to murder someone.
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