>>696183377 ... yeah and they also make cars and packaged food and most things you see at any Wal-Mart. Robotics are a very large component in all modern day industrialism. It's just sophisticated engineering designed to undergo this very same motion over and over again in order to streamline the process.
>>696183649 No, because human are treating living and feeling creatures like objects, without care about their suffering, just to fullfil people's greed for money and food. I know that we wouldn't like it if some aliens would do the same thing with us so I don't approve of it. We didn't even notice when we became the monsters we would fear.
>>696184822 Proper butchery, takes into account what he's doing based on the moment in picture, not off of dimensions... Naturally this does not replace a proper butcher. IT does however make cheap meat for walmart. So, be a proper butcher and show these machines up. Can't be hard steak from walmart blows goats.
>>696185124 If dogs and cats were the definitive intelligence reigning earth I'd say it wouldn't matter how we felt about how we were treated. Especially if it were cats. Those fucks have no fucks to give.
>>696185177 Yeah it is really fucking is... when the meat is handled on a dimensional basis alone? yeah... it's fucking semantics. Did you watch the video and understand what is happening or did you just wanna argue about animals in the farm yard?
>>696185033 Hey edgy poster did you look at the thread? I think two posters so far said anything about morality of the situation. You're the third who felt it even worth mentioning, which just goes to show how much of a try-hard you're being.
Most people are talking about the extreme ends of automation of labor and how that will effect the world/US specifically.
>>696185270 we eat meat it doesnt really matter how the animal dies so long it dies this is life once you die you cease to exist. it doesn't matter that it felt pain in the last seconds of its life. it is now dead it feels nothing because it doesn't exist. >complaining about how an animal is prepared for food
>>696183574 Your face when it's been proven that plants react to external stimuli, such as how the droop at night and perk back up again in the morning, almost as if they sleep. They also communicate with pheromones and such too. I'd almost say that plant like can be almost as complex as insects and such.
What are you going to do when it's discovered plants are self aware? Not like you can just stop eating, though it wouldn't be a bad thing if every vegan did that.
>>696185840 You really are an ignorant bitch. They don't just feel pain in the last seconds of their life, their whole existence is suffering. Go fucking educate yourself. And if you're going to use nihilism as an argument to say that nothing we do matters so we might as well, then you should just kill yourself immediately
>>696184427 >Stop killing the plants you vegan shit! plants have the will to live! Underrated post of the century, love how all the vegan fags feel so superior for "not killing life" when that is exactly what they are doing to plants.
>>696186952 They do have self awareness... there's lots of studies that prove so. Some animals even recognize their reflection as themselves. And animals in the wild are not in constant suffering, especially not compared to factory farm situations
>>696187380 Whatever dude, thanks for adding your worthless opinion and not actually making any argument or adding anything to the discussion. It shows how little brain activity you have going on. You're either a dumb kid and there's still hope for you or a retarded adult in which case you should kill yourself
>>696186641 it doesn't matter how much it suffered in life. they are a lower life form which exists to sustain us, the superior life form
>hurr durr how wood u feal if aliums came and did that 2 u WUT THEN??? if a superior life form over powers and enslaves us for nutrients, so be it. they have won and we have lost. dumb ass. I'll bet you that alien society has risen above petty moral concepts and strives for efficiency. there won't be any arguments among them about how fairly we should be treated, and I bet they euthanize their disabled and retarded.
>>696188405 says you, fag. I know html so I will be able to communicate and negotiate a better position for myself under the new robot overlords by giving them information about human hideouts and strongholds.
>>696187847 Morality is all about what we should do and how we should treat others how we would want to be treated. Even if you think they're lower life forms you still admit they experience pain and suffering. So if you use empathy you know that factory farming is immoral. I would say eating game meat from hunting is fine though because it's completely different circumstances. And you keep saying that just because humans "won" means we can do whatever we want, but youre wrong, it's the complete opposite. It means we have a responsibility to this planet and all life forms
>>696188692 I disagree. Having firmly established ourselves as the dominate life form of this planet, I would say the human race has an obligation to extend it's reach to the stars and bring other planets under our dominion. We have no responsibility to sustain this planet any longer than necessary.
>>696189268 >and the economy will collapse. If we keep looking at the economy like we do now (productivity = money), then yes, the economy will collapse. Only when we start to rethink how we structure our society, then will we be able to survive this 4th industrial revolution.
>>696187443 As an engineer in the field of industrial automation of food processing, I can only agree. This kind of job is generally harmful to the people doing them, and they'd be lucky to get 10-15 years of doing it before their body is broken down by the strain.
>>696189151 That scenario is thousands and thousands of years away, we're talking about what we should do on earth right now. Having morality is what separates us from other animals. Saying that we have the right to abuse other conscious beings for our own benefit is selfish. One day we'll look back at the factory farming days and think how primitive and disgusting it was that we did that.
Be somewhat sad for butchery and butchers in general but also happy b/c less people are going to accidentally lop off body parts. Also happy has progressed this far that dangerous jobs are phased out. Eventually we'll all be virtual Walmart greeters, greeting each other safely in our bubbles and only seeing through our screens
>>696187198 The animals you eat consume plants too and it actually amplifies the means of production by like x10 to eat animals instead of plants. Vegens also get nutrition problems.. so you should be thanking the shit out of them for actually making a difference in their life instead of being a useless whining resource hog.
>>696191849 Something being "alive" simply means that it is organic, growing and changing i.e. plant life. "A life" has consciousness, feelings, , emotions, can feel pain, etc. Everything that is a life is also alive, but everything that is alive may not necessarily be a life. Plants are not conscious. They do not feel pain, have emotion, or "suffer" the same way that conscious beings (animals, humans) do.
>>696192362 >Plants are not conscious. This is actually a huge topic in neurobiology right now. Many of the scientist in the field are starting to side on the plants are conscious at certain level consensus.
>>696184641 Not all. Some butcher them cleanly and quickly while giving them a good life. Rather than being a vegan what you should do is try and become the next Hitler and get rid of the jews if you really care about the mistreatment of animals on a large scale.
>>696183574 thats a really bad reason. on the morality of eating meat id say the primary difference between what meat is okay to eat and whats not is dependant on the intelegince of the animal. If smething is not apient then why does it matter? also there is nothing bad happeing in that webm. its just unfeeling corpses being processed. we do the same type of shit to humans weather it be burning them to ash or cutting out their organs and filling them with cotton balls so they look nice.
ra·tion·al·ize ˈraSHənlˌīz,ˈraSHnəˌlīz/Submit verb 1. attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate.
>>696193894 That just means logic attempted and failed. It had to be logic in the first place. Or are you saying that there is no difference between rational and irrational? Because at this point it is nothing but semantics.
>>696183870 mfw people imply innovations are a bad thing
..the problem is the primitive systems we're using not the technology advancements. The proletariat doesn't own the means of production hence us reaping very little of the benefits and grid-locking the system.
>>696184641 okay so a few things. We dont exactly "treat them like objects" they are treated very humanly at least genrally speaking even in large production farms. There are horror stories and thats not okay but we also have slaves and ISIS so what do you want people are not perfect. As far as "just to fulfill peoples freed for money and food" thats just not true. the reason we eat me is beuase we have eaten meat for 200,000 years or more and there are good reasons that we should continue. The diffrence between aliens doing it to us and us doing it to cows is the same as difference between us doing it to cows and doing it to them. you cross a major barrier when youre killing something capable of understanding that it is alive and that would like to go on living. cows cant have that type of though. they just are not capable. when we slaughter cows they go from everything is normal and fine to instantly and totally brain dead and no matter of explaining could make them fear that.
>>696185124 Yep well said. I just killed my labrador and two cats, I always had a suspicion that they were tasting me when they licked my hand. I just finished cooking them and I invited the vietnamese family across the way. Thanks for the tip!
>>696186329 so you think that automation comes from increases in minimum wage rather than from the need to have beyond human accuracy in certain fields or due to the fact that sometimes machines will simply be better equipped to handle a situation? or better yet just due to the fact that even in countries with no minimum wage these machines are still more affordable to maintain then people? Also shouldnt companies have to pay their employees a wage that they can live off of? weve had thousands of years of trying it the other way and its lead to massive inequality almost every time. why in modern america do we not need to take preventative measure to make sure that people who work 40 hours a week also dont have to live in a hovel. Or is that just the expected norm in your veiw? the lowest of the low performing jobs that take minimal skill but are still necessary for our society to function should have no quality of life and be effective wage slaves? Im not a liberal but easily understood that the minimum wage exists for a reason and is important.
>>696186641 I live on a farm. I am educated. I see sluaghter houses up close. I know that when I drop off cattle that they will be killed as quickly and painlessly as possible and I know that in there life the did not suffer.
>>696194405 You don't have to believe me. But if you pay attention to it cows and other animals are aware of death and frightened of it. There use to be a video online of a cow walking into a slaughter house clearly yelling that it doesn't want to die. It's been edited now so you can no longer view it as it should be done. My tinfoil hat is permanently glued to my head so disregard this if you want because it's a pretty hard to accept conspiracy.
>>696196767 It really isn't a bad view. You take the position of being a controller over many beings of an environment. Substitute in a scenario where you're one of the controlled. Then use the teachings of Jesus basically, do unto others which you would wish to be done to yourself, to guide how you feel about being the controller in the situation.
There was no reason for people to take that very simple concept and go into debate about how aliens would really work, or why they believe dominance is the only truth or shit like that.
Plants don't "talk" or "listen" but they do communicate. Animals don't "talk" either, but they also communicate. It's incredibly short-sighted of people to view the world only through the lens of our own experience. Chemicals are required for emotions, which exist and are created in the brain. The neurons in our brains communicate chemically with each other. Brains are then required for emotions. Wouldn't you agree? If so, then we would be in agreement that higher animals are capable of suffering emotionally while plants are not.
All of your original posts appear to imply that since plants communicate with chemicals, there is no rational justification for preferring to eat them over animals. I claim that the rational justification is that plants do not suffer emotionally, but higher animals do. Do you disagree? While I agree that one can (and should, in my opinion) prioritize one's choice of food, based on the amount of suffering that the organism perceives - all organisms suffer a form of death to become a meal.
I actually agree. More people need to know about how they receive the meat they buy. Most people don't have a problem buying/eating meat because they make a disconnection between where it comes from and how it gets there.
>>696197483 Montana fag here, this is correct. Cows are retarded and don't realize they're about to die. Evolutionary-wise going on to trucks and in to buildings isn't a fear response threat for them, they've been doing it most of their lives
For the PETA fags ITT ranchers and slaughter house operators have a vested interest in keeping cows cortisol levels low before death. The meat gets gross when they are panicked before they die. Fast Food Nation anyone?
In an above post, I stated that the rational justification here is that plants do not suffer emotionally, but higher animals do. One can should prioritize one's choice of food, based on the amount of suffering that the organism perceives - all organisms suffer a form of death to become a meal. That's why we should care.
>>696197996 I've been around cows too. I also have been around a lot of animals in general, my dog for example, or the birds who I converse with. It really doesn't matter and I don't expect someone to understand it without becoming aware of these things on their own. There's no much point in stating what I did other than giving an alternative viewpoint that most people seem unaware of. I still eat meat fairly often by the way.
I know; they don't want people to know. That's why I agreed with the above anon as to why vids like that should be on how it's made, or just made more public. Similarly, two documentaries that I can think of atm are Food, Inc. and Earthlings that deal with what you just wrote
>>696199064 The problem here is that most of these fags take a few anecdotal videos and say it's endemic when it's not. They don't realize how many millions of cows are slaughtered each year. Everyone has phones with cameras... We've seen cops killing people in the past few weeks from cellphone videos, and you're telling me that no one is recording this 'abuse' of animals?
>>696200541 >cattle are crammed in tiny, unclean and extremely harsh living conditions. That's mostly massive feedlot operations after they're sold by the rancher and about 6 months before going to market.
Up until the rancher sells them, they're treated well.
>>696200541 No nigger I'm not. I'm referring to beef raised in the cattle states like Texas, Wyoming, Montana. You can't raise cows in pens like chickens. They have to move and develop. I can't imagine the cost of penning them in and feeding them hay, it's cheaper and easier to put them in pastures. You have a lot to learn about cattle if all you know is the propaganda about "end of life" shit spewed by vegans
>>696201185 This is where you get select and choice cuts. In order to get high quality beef they have to be finished. Feedlots are gross, but Americans aren't willing to pay $6/lb for burger so the cows can have more room. The market drives conditions. The USDA has requirements on the treatment of livestock for food, they are aware of feedlots, and you're dollars and government say what's happening there is OK.
>>696190526 the point is to free yourself from any sort of social or philosophical concern about what to do with your life. it's understanding that as humans, there's tons of shit we worry ourselves over and remembering that it ultimately means nothing
the tl;dr for nihilism is pretty much "don't worry about stupid shit"
>>696190747 The fact that you can't figure out the dirrerence between the words no and know means you probably are not any better than any other human on the face of the Earth. In fact the level of your arrogance would suggest you are lower than whale scum.
>>696190747 The fact that you can't figure out the difference between the words no and know means you probably are not any better than any other human on the face of the Earth. In fact the level of your arrogance would suggest you are lower than whale scum.
While I agree that one can (and should, in my opinion) prioritize one's choice of food, based on the amount of suffering that the organism perceives - all organisms suffer a form of death to become a meal. Plants suffer far less than animals do. Also Breatharianism is bullshit. And even in Jainism they eat fruits and vegetables you fuckwit.
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