fucking retarded junkie, why can't you do fun non addictive psychodelics, like shrooms or acid. Why even start with something addictive and probably life destroying as heroin? ever thought of getting sober?
>>692611739 Feelsbadman. Sorry to hear you relapsed. If you don't stop now, your use will become more frequent, and eventually you'll be waking up with a loaded rig every morning. Get out while you still can.
heroin sounds fucked. glad i never tried it. was smoking weed sniffing coke and ket and eating md every chance i got for almost 5 years. loved eating acid and shrooms when they came around. turned 25 a couple of months back and decided enough was enough. havent had any gear since. hope you find something better than getting fucked up to live for /b/ro
>>692612727 I'm not quite sober, I do drink from time to time. Did some shrooms in a cabin last year. Took a hit of weed. Not quite my sober date, but I was stone cold sober until about a year ago. No need to lie. Sometimes I fantasize about a shot of dope. I'm only human. I just choose not to act on my impulses.
Is there any way to do heroin that doesn't involve needles or snorting? Like does it even work at all if ingested? Do people shoot up because it makes it work nearly immediately? Because with pills the 20-40 minute wait is like 20% of the fun for me. Or does it just not absorb in the stomach readily enough?
>>692613075 Once you've already called the dealer, I know how it goes. See the flow chart I posted above. I'm been through 7 rehabs and battled addiction for 5 years. You know that it will get more frequent. You know deep down it will eventually take you down. Maybe weeks. Maybe months.
>>692613270 so am I. Heroin is poison that's utterly destroyed the town I used to live in. Dealers should be hung or shot and addicts should be forced into mandatory rehab and excluded from society until they're clean
Coming up on two years off heroin if you don't count the time I found a 0.1 on the sidewalk, tossed it in a bush, and went back a week later after obssessing over it and found it still there so I smoked it(rather than slamming it).
>>692613294 Yeah I was really cautious at first. I drank more than I should have for the first couple months, more for novelty. Now I'm not really interested in drinking anymore. But I'm well aware I'm playing with fire.
>>692612899 not sure actually. addiction is a really complicated thing and i doubt i felt any type of addiction close to what junkies feel. i just realised that i actually had really low self esteem and that was the cause of my partying and drug taking. once i realised this was the source of my problems i dropped contact with a lot of my "friends" and decided to focus on living healthier and not turning to getting super fucked up anytime something bad happened. also just got bored of the whole party scene and the people in it. sounds gay i know and i suppose i dont really have a "reason" to be sober. i just know im better for it. dont feel like im losing my mind every other day which is nice
>>692613378 Is it really that bad? Or is it the cost that makes it bad? Because I make a shitload of money. Like top 3% in the US. Is that enough to fund a habit without any of the usual negative social side effects?
>>692613358 Does it work if injested? Yes, but probably 1/100 of the effect as shooting. Plugging is your next option. Combine it with a tiny amount of water and shoot it up the poop shoot. Or smoke on foil, depending what kind you have.
I'm 5 months sober, I still have the scars from where I shot up as a reminder of it. Hopefully they fade because I don't like being reminded everyday what I was addicted to. I get cravings sometimes and it's really hard to just shut that down and not think about it. Heroin gets you higher that anything else, once you try it you will never be that happy again it's impossible. That's what sucks about it. I tried it on three separate occasions and thought "yeah it's fine I don't feel addicted at all and it makes me really happy" so I started doing it once a week, then it became daily, then twice a day. After that I institutionalised myself in a mental hospital claiming I wanted to kill myself. I was trying to quit and putting myself in was the biggest favour I've done for myself.
Friendly reminder that using addiction as an excuse to continue doing something detrimental to your health is just stating > "I have no willpower or general interest in staying alive but I am too afraid to kill myself in a faster way"
>>692613704 I make $150k/year, which I'm sure is less than you, but no habit is sustainable. When you have more; you do more. Your habit skyrockets. You will always be able to spend all of your money. I've considered it. I could spend $200 a day on heroin and still get all my bills paid and live comfortably. But is it worth it? Is it worth becoming an empty shell of a human; with only one thing to live for? Is it worth destroying your family over? It isn't about the money. that's just a fantasy we convince ourselves of.
>>692612899 well, for one I don't wake up and need to fix like a filthy degenerate slave. Another pro is my body hasn't started to rot like a disgusting deviant. Oh and I'm not looked at like a loser that can't go through life without some hastily smuggled south american heroin smugged through a peasant's ass hole
>>692613851 I too had those thoughts. At 15 months sober, I opened the NYSE with the CEO of a $10B company. I was on national television. It was at that point I realized, no bag of dope got me there. I got me there. I worked harder in those 15 months than I've ever worked in my life. Stay sober. Life gets better slowly, day by day. Be easy on yourself.
>>692613238 Dude. It's not like he's the dope fiend he used to be. I get drunk 2 or maybe 3 times a month and drink 1 or max 2 beers daily. Have done weed 2 or 3 times in the last 12 months and coke twice. The only difference between me and him are coke vs shrooms and don't see my life as a mess because it simply isn't.
>>692614312 I just ignored him lol. I agree that using anything is playing with fire. My drinking is down to probably 6 drinks per month. Shrooms was a one off. A friend brought them, everyone else took them, I joined it.
>>692614312 >ids not like he's a dope fiend but he still does drugs, and is probably lying on the internet about not still doing any kind of opiates because of his fragile ego : DDDDDDD nah. He's a degenerate and so are you. Thankfully crosses aren't expensive to make nor are they hard to assemble.
I'm stuck on opiates for life. Bad back, knees, right hand is fucked up. I just want to be able to take the pills I get and be pain free instead of chasing a high. I don't smoke weed and can barely do any physical activity to do much. Well at least I get to be high everyday right
>>692613369 well your initial comment was toxic as fuck and youve obviously never had to be through the shit that can cause drugs to be part of your life. this thread was started by people that know drug addiction is fucking horrible and you come in here bringing nothing but your ignorance and negativity. its people like you that make drugs illegal and stop research into their effects and the causes of addiction which in turn perpetuate the problem of drug addiction. kill yourself faggot and make this world a better place.
>>692614022 $150k/year isn't too far off. But for real though, just how much is $200 worth of heroin? Like I have zero concept of the cost. I've got a bunch of friends who are former users and I've never asked them because a lot of them went through hell getting off. But I just assumed a big part of that was because they were dead ass broke so they did some really sketchy things for money that landed them in legal trouble. I work an office job (obviously) so staying not-high for 6-8 hours a day seems more than doable.
>>692614605 I know plenty of people that think they have been through the shit that makes them think they need to do drugs just saying that anybody who thinks drugs have to be a part of their life are weak degenerates that need to kill themselves
>>692614605 >you've never handled life's trails and tribulations with drugs >how dare you insult my heroin you're toxic >u're ignorant lol niggers like you are why no one cares when dope fiends die. Someone could go kill 3 of them with a baseball bat and it wouldn't even make news. It's a shame too, most of the women usually just get strangled after a rough $20 fuck
>>692614613 I never caught any legal trouble. I was on a $400/day habit at one point, and could have easily doubled that if I had it.
$200 worth of heroin can be a lot of things. I live in tar land, so I could get about 3.5 grams of tar. That would break down into 10ish shots. I could have done 10 shots in an hour if challenged.
Not being high for 8 hours a day is harder than it sounds. People also notice the dark circles. You're not going to work 8 hours sick, so you'll use in the mornings. And then eventually run to your car on lunch. And then eventually nod out at your desk, lose your job, etc. Heroin just creates a lot of problems. There's no magic formula of "if I just ..." Then it can all work out.
>>692614480 Same for me with the coke and the weed. If it comes around I'll maybe join in. But come to think of it, I can't recall ever paying for drugs. I've offered just to share the costs but they didn't let me. Sometimes it makes me feel like a leech but I know the moment I'd score some for myself it would very probably take a turn for the worse.
>>692614813 Ha! I did that too. I was so determined to get clean RIGHT THEN that I took a half of a naloxone tablet. My god that was awful.
Happy ending - the girl I was all torn up over is now my girlfriend! We've been together for a year on August 10th. She knows about the relapse, feels awful, has never used in her life, and will soon be my wife.
>>692615256 Yeah it's all bad. I would turn down coke if offered. It is all bad news. I think the worst I've done in the last 4 years is to take 2 Vicodin instead of 1 after I fractured my pelvic bone in a car accident. I was in so much pain I was crying for like 2 days. Drugs are bad kids.
>>692614513 >degenerate Yeah, my amount of use makes it seem like I need it to cope with reality... >lying on the internet I don't really care. This is an anonymous board so just for the sake of conversation I choose to believe him.
>>692615614 Yeah I did some research while I was going through hell and found that suboxone was the treatment. Higher binding affinity than naloxone, despite the claims.
I remember one time, I shot up at midnight, my mom picked me up from my girlfriends house, and she made me take a sub in front of her. They were the strips. I kind of forgot that I hadn't waited long enough, went into PWD, and I started sweating so bad, I fogged up exactly half of the car. I told her it must be some sort of severe allergic reaction.
>>692615371 I think about it a bit differently, if people want to justify their drug use due to life situations then that's up to them.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter why you think you use, in my opinion everybody who get addicted is covering up some kind of emotional pain or mental dissatisfaction with life. Ultimately this doesn't lead to greater happiness, in fact it puts you in a worse position.
Drug addiction is just a desperate but ultimately unhelpful way of dealing with suffering.
>>692616033 I mean, if you hate life that much then it's down the road not across the street but I figure it makes more sense to seek mental help from a medical professional before doing any of that, I mean to start using in the first place isn't really smart at all
>>692615906 >oh mayn you don't realize how hard it is! I had to beg my mom for extra tendy money so i could go fix because I'm too much of a loser to make a life of my own true struggle. I'm a drug user now you convinced me. I'm gonna go fix on vitamin pills
1. Quit drugs. (It's actually easy, staying sober is the hard part.) 2. Buy NSI-189 (google it) 3. Start taking NSI-189 4. Start doing non-junkie things in life, so when NSI generates new neurons in your brain you will get used to them instead of using the addiction pathway.
I don't justify my use with my problems. That being said, heroin is a painkiller. It strips you of emotion, good and bad. When I was at my lowest, I didn't want to be happy. I just wanted to stop suffering. And it took away that pain. Every minute without this enormous pain was worth every dollar I had spent.
>>692616191 No, it's not smart at all, it's desperate. People get to a point where their suffering(I'm referring to mental/emotional suffering) is overwhelming, they don't know how to manage it. Some people kill themselves, some people get into drugs to cope.
>>692616206 Yikes. As far as my withdrawal used to go, I was just extremely tired (for the first day) and I never really made it to a second day (has health insurance, used detox facilities) but I would have intense convulsions, muscle spasms, twitching, and intense pain. If you've read Harry Potter, I imagine the crucio spell is equivalent to heroin withdrawal.
>>692616533 an apt way to describe it....the not sleeping is the worst part for me....the first time i quit cold turkey after a year of a gram a day. i didnt sleep more than 3 straight hours for the first two months
>>692616353 Yeah, that's the same reason I used for, to control overwhelming emotional suffering. It does that so well... for a while. But your tolerance goes up and up so you end up using to just feel ok or normal.
I guess my point is in the short term it is rewarding because it makes you feel so much better, but it doesn't last and in the long term it causes more problems than it solves.
>>692616930 Absolutely. The first 3-5 days are the worst, but don't worry, you get to be awake for every minute of it before you eventually drift in and out of a painful dilerium. Heroin withdrawal is the worst thing on this planet.
>>692616952 Oh absolutely. I don't use anymore. My rock bottom was homeless, $12k in debt, nobody in my family would take my phone call, I slept under a bridge. It always causes more problems in the long run. The allure is the short run - "maybe I can get away with it just this once"
>>692617066 I used for 5 years, now sober for ~4 years. I never once blamed it on my problems. I knew I had demons. I suppressed them. Counsellors couldn't help me because I couldn't open up. I was incapable of facing my problems. I saw a lot of girls in rehab that had been molested. I never had anything traumatic happen, just a lifetime of loneliness and neglect. I didn't have someone to be angry at; if anyone, it would be myself.
>>692617197 Yeah, sadly for some of us we have to go through it to realize where it leads. Oh well, I have no regrets, I have learned a lot tbh from getting clean. A lot happier now than I ever have been.
>>692617183 Ha! That sucks. I've been there. Try to use the homeless people to get to their dealers. Sometimes I'd kick them between 20-50 to jump them. Do that a couple times and you have a good dealer.
>>692617470 I am as well. I've said it many times - if I didn't go through what I did, I'd still be a depressed bottom feeder. Addiction forced me to change and grow for the better. I'm happier now than ever before.
>>692617544 What do you mean? >>692617381 Yeah and I can understand the feeling of needing to use out of loneliness because I'm going through that, hell my 'friends' haven't talked to me in over a month and I feel like I drove them away somehow but I'll never use because winners dont do drugs *explosion noise*
>>692615037 I lost an amazing job due to heroin, My baby is dead so I don't like being sober, my hope is to move to a place near the ocean and become a homeless junkie there, just relaxing all my muscles in the street while people walk by
It's so interesting how 10 years ago I had it all together and was a normal person, with a flat by the city, now I just chill at the library and go out back, I don't mind sleeping on the boxes either it's comfy as shit if you had a hit on the day
I've tried nearly every drug except opiates. Love meth and other amphetamines though. I don't understand how someone needs the drug more than anything else. Like I'm doing the so called worse drug in the world but I have no craving to do it on a regular basis.
I personally prefer fentanyl, because I can get fucked up much more often, the cravings are crazy however. Can't really go back to heroin, even though I would really like it if I could. Fentanyl is so fucking good.
>>692617707 You said you met some idiot therapists as well as some good ones who presumably taught you some useful things, was just wondering about what kind of things the good ones taught you or did with you that were helpful.
I can't imagine heroine withdrawals, they sound like the worst. I have a pretty bad drinking habit (10-20 drinks a night, 7 days a week) that I recently kicked because my body started shutting down. The withdrawals the first week were terrifying. i was straight hallucinating and couldn't eat or shit for 2 days straight.
>>692618950 It was refusing to let me post It varies from person to person but group therapy helped me the most due to people with a common enemy mentality (depression) but talking to a therapist about my shit really helped the only things I really learned were the usual breath deeply and what have you
Well i thought my drug habit was under control till I almost fucked up a 250,000 dollar part and my supe was like "what the fuck is going on, you're tweaking, I'm worried, people are saying shit, do you need to go home?" I feel like a total asshole. I just wanted the energy and clarity of amphetamines/methamphetamine amd I clearly over did it. I thought I was slick. Gotta see hime in an hour to straighten this job out. Luckily we've known each other for years, so I'm gonna just come clean and apologize. Flushed my shit. Ain't going back.
>I had a friend, who actually introduced me to /b/. >He had a serious problem with drugs and stuff. >We later came around to know that he was being prosecuted for havin CP on his computer. >He used to buy lots of shit from silkroad and have it delivered here in BR. >When it stopped working he managed to get prescription pain killers and stuff. >Once he called me and said he haid about 150g of coke and wanted to go a bar in our town which is totally not the setting I would do coke at. >Last year, a week after my birthday he went MIA for 36 hours and next thing you know he jumped off of one of the tallest buildings in town.
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