Haven't you heard? Mass shootings are so in right now. It's a shame. Serial killers used to put so much care into their work and it would sometimes take decades to track one down. And now you just grab a gun and go to town until they finally cap you. Shitty times, my friends.
>>685272426 I'm getting my masters in criminology atm. The fbi says there's anywhere from 40-60 serial killers operating in the states. However, media show any acts from a serial killing because it incites too much paranoia. Basically they're still out there, we just don't hear about it for "our safety".
>>685273537 Unless you're working in an investigation, that stuff is usually has a tight lid on it. I'm sure if you look around for long enough you'll find something. About a year ago, there were body parts found scattered around the hollywood hills. From what I understand it could have possibly been a serial killer. And honestly, it's not that they're more rare nowadays. It's just that investigation work and CSI has become more refined that it's easier to catch them.
>>685272426 You could consider some serious gang members serial killers. There'll be members of MS13 who have bodied 3+ people.
But nowadays it's pretty hard to get away with multiple murders over a prolonged period; DNA, CCTV etc. A lot of potential serial killers are probably caught on their first offence.
They still turn up now and then. But it's more common to have spree killers than serial killers in the US.
If you want the worst serial killers, look to places like South America, Asia and Africa. Where there's poverty, corruption and war, it's a serial killers playground. They won't be on any list because they won't be caught.
>>685273690 Some would argue that there is an art to mass murders too. Id like to think serial killers have a "passion" for it, but it's an addiction. The only reason they're methodical is because they don't want to get caught. They keep doing what works best for them. But there's several that are just lazy and sloppish. Henry lee lucas for example was just a brute. Aileen wournos had no art form.
>>685272687 yeah this, not to mention technology makes it harder for them to do that shit. Either way any recent serial killers probably dont get any attention, no one gives a fuck about them or surprised anymore.
>>685272426 There are plenty of serial killers roaming the streets right now statistically speaking someone is probably being murdered by one right now. Of course you don't hear as much about them in the news but I assure they are out there. I'm not sure why we don't have them in the forefront of mainstream media anymore but maybe the press and the fbi finally realized that covering serial killers like they are rockstars isn't such a good idea because of the whole copy cat thing.
According to former chief of the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit, John Douglas, there are 25 to 50 active serial killers in the United States at any given moment.
It's a lot harder to stay undetected these days due to massive advancements in technology and forensic capabilities but for sure there are active serial killers plying their trade out there. There are potentially still a few active serial killers from the golden age of the 70's that were smart/lucky enough to not get caught as well.
Look at the BTK serial killer. He was active from the 70's in to the 90's and was only caught because he fucked up and got lazy in 2005
Here is a pic of an 11 year old girl that he abused then hanged in her own basement after he made her watch him murder her entire family. Just if people were unclear how different the mindset is of the serial killer compared to your average angry spree shooter.
>>685274053 >Id like to think serial killers have a "passion" for it Why would you like to think that? Who fucking cares. Serial killers deserve to be put behind bars or put down - not endlessly romanticized and turned into commercial products. It's kind of pathetic how many people go beyond morbid curiosity into the realms of fandom for these bottom feeders.
>>685272426 I heard a homocide detective in a medium-big city talk about serial killers once. He estimated that the city (population less than one million) had about a dozen men on the verge of becoming serial killers. The psychopaths beat up prostitutes, and sometimes it escalates to more violence than that.
>>685275179 Yeah that's on a pretty global scale though that's the hot new thing for them essentially a gang like the cartel is what I would compare that to. Like the other anon said it's also because of the paranoia it generates.
There is an interesting phenomenon called the CSI effect. Basically because of shows like CSI the general public believes that forensic science is some sort of fucking magic that is foolproof and always present at a crime scene.
Amanda Knox for instance is guilty as fucking sin and was definitely involved in the murder of Meredith Kercher but the court of public opinion especially in the States has basically exonerated her because none of her DNA was found in the murder room despite all the rest of the evidence screaming at her involvement.
I think the actual times useable DNA at a typical crime scene is found is something like 5-10% of the time. It's far more likely that nothing will be found. And of course, if you're just a little bit smart you can totally screw up the forensic crime scene before you leave with some pretty simple countermeasures. If you start throwing bleach or lye over everything or even just gasoline and a match you have wrecked the potential for forensics to have much luck so yeah, whilst it IS definitely an amazing tool and if you do leave DNA behind you are FUCKED if you are ever on some sort of database or fingered as a suspect it's MUCH rarer to actually find than people think
>>685276480 I had heard of the csi effect, but this was something totally different.
In the chicago tribune article i linked the guy who was a respected forensic odontologist, was basically just making shit up as he went. Every set of teeth that was sent to him he guaranteed was the killers.
There was the case here in canada of charles smith
>>685276480 True a lot of towns don't have the money to affored half of that shit for cases and you wouldn't believe how bad the actual surveillance is. I had to go to check the cameras with police at the Walmart in my town and the guy operating them showed me the footage but it was so bad you can't even make out someones face that is walking into the store at all he even admitted that as well as the police. A lot of people think because of the year we live in that every store and place you go to has this high tech security surveillance when most are still years behind.
>>685276480 Mhe amanda case suffered a lot more because of her beauty. I do not remember the numbers well but if you're beautiful the jury will say innocent twice as often. There where also the distorted perception of Italian justice that Americans have and the media pressure
>>685273381 How is it only 40-60? Arn't gang members included into that group? Killing rivals or people related to rivals. Yeah sure it's murder but when they start doing it more than once it's sort of a serial killing type deal.
>>685277064 I semi-followed the story when it happened and then the fight to extradite her when that happened. it seemed pretty likely that that guy did it. But who knows maybe that's what the media wanted me to believe.
Rudy Guede did probably deliver the killing blow but Amanda was involved. It's not my fault that the pathetic saccharin PR mission to paint poor Amanda, that all American apple pie eating girl as some sort of saint when she in reality a twisted and jealous whore that was living her life in 24 hour party mode with drugs and sex and abandon all the time until she managed to clash with Meredith that was trying to live a more respectable life.
The BARE footprints in blood found that match Socielleto and Amanda (Rudy;s were in trainers and he left directly out the door even though Meredith's door was locked which he would not have been able to do)
RS's DNA found on the bra clasp (despite the italians fucking things up this is huge) Amanda's found on a knife handle and Meredith's found on the blade. the CLEARLY staged break-in (Rudy had no motive to stage it)
There is a LOT more but it's really about the lies...
the endless lies... conflicting testimony, hindrance of police and lies before she was even seen as a suspect. It goes on and fucking on.
She was there. She has admitted she was at least twice (she then changes her mind or "forgets")
You have to be delusional or easily swayed by the PR campaign to actually buy into her innocence. They went there the three of them to mess with her and humiliate her and it escalated and got out of hand. All three were there.
>>685276994 >There where also the distorted perception of Italian justice that Americans have and the media pressure As a non-American, I can tell you the Italians fucked up the investigation numerous times.
And also, beauty in this case was precisely the reason why she was vilified by the Italian press, who seemed to love the idea of a beautiful but deadly femme fatal. They risked compromising the objectivity of any jury AGAINST Knox, not for her. Read some of the bullshit they printed.
I'd say beauty is one of the reasons you're so sure of her guilt, vs. the guy who actually did it.
>>685277373 No i've read the transcription of the trial. I m not a faggot like you sry. I know very well the fucked up things that happens in an italian investigation because i was framed by one and i can assure you this: almost all the errors where made on purpose because someone asked ro do so.
>>685277657 What is it about roman catholic countries and blatant political corruption?
I like understand that political corruptness is pretty near universal, but why is it that countries like france, spain italy, portugal etc just do it out in the open like they don't give a flying fuck?
>>685277155 >maybe that's what the media wanted me to believe. You realise the media is just made up of people like us, right? It isn't all some NWO conspiracy to keep the sheeple brainwashed.
And if you didn't realise, the Italian media for the most part vilified her to the maximum, painting her as some evil but beautiful devil - in contrast with the more mixed handling by the American media, and the largely objective handling by the rest of Europe's media (including where I'm from, the UK).
In other words, 'the media' isn't homogenous and multiple organisations will have a different take on a story even within the same city. So the media don't really want you to believe anything except that their channel or newspaper or website is the best so you keep coming back to it and they make money.
>>685277817 no i never suggested it was the lizard people or the illuminati or whatever, but like you said they're people like us, with biases, and a need to conform. I never read any of the italian press, it didn't get too much play in the canadian papers, so i really only got the bbc's version for what that's worth. (not much probably)
>>685277657 >I m not a faggot like you sry. Now now, if you want to be treated like a grown-up, learn to talk like one.
If you still think Knox is guilty after reading all the facts from the trial, then I'm sorry to say your analytical skills are impaired OR you've got a chip on your shoulder about pretty women being found innocent. Would you be so bothered if Knox was some 50 year old male builder from China? I doubt it.
>>685275178 Nooooo, btk was extremely successful and went 25 years under the radar. Anything after that point is irrelevant. He wanted to be caught at old age before he died to show police he won and successfully avoided them, he also wanted to make sure they knew who he was
The Italians did screw a lot of things up but not as badly as people think. It wasn't keystone cops out there. Mistakes were made but it wasn't a total shitshow either.
If you actually look at her wildly inconsistent testimonies her story falls apart BADLY.
I know that she claims that she was pressured into accusing the bar owner and confessing to being in the apartment because she was being interrogated by a bunch of angry police for 12 hours or something but her lies started much earlier.
As for that claim about the forced testimony... she wasn't even asked to come to the station. She came with Raffaele when they ASKED him in and when he threw Amanda under the bus and said that Amanda had asked him to lie for her and claim she was with him during the murder was when they asked her in to talk. She was doing cartwheels in the lobby of the police station btw.
There were 2 cops and a translator and she was there for about 1 and a half hours also.
But before this... she claimed to the cops that first turned up on the scene that Meredith always locked her door (this was a BLATANT lie) that was confirmed by her other flatmates. Why lie? WHY CONSTANTLY LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING?
Amanda has an allergic reaction to the truth on so many occasions.
Maybe you do believe that she was able to walk into the house with the door wide open and blood on the floor and bathroom and not see anything and have a shower and then leave. I dunno, that's you.
She was there. Read the actual court transcripts. Not some special on American tv that has run the narrative that she was a poor American girl being abused by the nasty Italians. Of course Rudy was there and raped and stabbed her but the evidence shows so very clearly along with the desperately AWFUL deceptions, lies and misdirection of Amanda constantly from the first moments. You can't chalk it all up to the italians fucking the case up. There is TOO MUCH THERE.
>>685278043 >talk like one You degenerate fuck, do you relize that you're on /b/ right? No thanks, i don't give a fuck about being treated like an adult, so suck my salty balls faggot and listen: read the facts (they're all over the internet, do you know how to use it? Or you just keep ending up in that granny gay site that you love so much?) and take the fucking red pill. Die in a fire btw
>>685277964 >The media has an agenda WHICH media? This is the whole point I was making.
The media is a collective term for thousands and thousands of little and big businesses. I worked for a magazine for 2 years, and a newspaper for 2 years. I was part of 'the media'. When I reported on news, did I think "how might I manipulate my readers into agreeing with me? mwahaha!" or "how might I make my paymasters richer? mwahahah!"
No. It's not how it works.
You'll get individual organisations with political and business biases one way or another, of course. You'll get ones that rigorously fact-check vs. others who just print whatever gossip on the grapevine. You'll get ones who take an overt stance on certain stories or public figures, and others that won't. That's just how it is.
Rudy, Amanda and Raffaele all knew each other. AK and RS were doing drugs a lot and Rudy was their guy. Amanda had been fighting over lifestyle with Meredith from the very start of them sharing the place with the other italian girls. They didn't like each other.
Amanda was wild in a bipolar type of way from the moment she hit Italy and started whoring around and living the 24hour party people lifestyle. She was an impulsive and wild precocious child with a wicked streak
Leave the DNA of Raffaele on Meredith's bra clasp out of it if you want. Leave the knife DNA out of it. Leave the bloody footprints out of it. Leave the obviously staged break in out of it. Leave Amanda's only light source (a lamp) being found in Meredith's locked room with her body out of it.
Dismiss ALL of it. Say that the Italians were biased, corrupt, etc and forced Amanda to accuse a totally innocent guy of murder whilst she was in the kitchen next door out of it.
Throw it all out and look at how she acted when the Postal police FIRST turned up. Before anyone "knew" there was a murder. See what she said, how she acted and her clear attempts at deception and the lies we now KNOW for certain she told. She wasn't under pressure here. The postal police were there because the mobile phones had been found in a garden up the road. It's not like they are interrogating anyone. It's here that Raff and Amanda claim the break in.
AT THIS POINT: before ANYTHING is known. Meredith is dead in the flat but behind the locked door. Nobody knows shit yet. The postal police officer IMMEDIATELY notices that the break in looks staged.
When Amanda finally mentions that she might be worried about Meredith who she has not seen she LIES to the police officer when she goes to check the door to her room that "oh, it's fine, she ALWAYS locks her door."
This is when the Italian flatmate comes in and claims that this is definitely not true. Why is she lying?
Why were Raff and Amanda's phones turned off that night and then turned back on at 6AM?
Why did they claim to be watching movies and fucking all night only to then both change their testimonies and claim that they couldn't remember where they were?
Why did they claim to be sleeping until 10:30AM and to have been playing movies at 9-11PM (the murder time) when a look at the laptop records shows that there was no activity during the murder hours and then activity from 5:40AM onwards when they were supposed to be asleep?
Did they really spill a ton of water in the night and that was the reason Amanda went back to the cottage so she could get a mop to go back to Raffs with? Really? You think so?
When all of Meredith's friends and Amanda were at the police station one of her friends said "I hope she didn't suffer" and Amanda snapped back "of course she did she bled to death in the corner of the room"
Now, Meredith was found in the middle of the room but it would become apparent that she was moved after her death. She was killed in the corner.
Explain all these things away if you can but it IMO is painfully clear that Amanda was there that night and was involved in Meredith's death.
It's not one tiny thing. Take all the evidence as a whole
ya i remember hearing how theres like always 100 active serial killers at any time in the US or some shit i forgot the number. but ya theres a lot they just dont put it on the news because its pointless to scare everyone like that.
>>685273921 Gang members don't realize what an easy target they are for a serial killer. No one gives a shit about investigating the deaths of black gang members. Hispanic gang members stand a good chance of being here illegally, so zero shits given there, too. With the snitch coffee in effect, an investigator is going to be dumped during the interviews because no one is going to come forward for fear of retribution. Truth be known, we could be sending Mexicans back across the border one body at a time and the blame could conveniently be placed on the Hispanic gangs.
There is a serial killer active in the small town of Chillicothe, Ohio not to far from me. He's killing prostitutes and drug addicts. Last October they found a woman tied to a fence. She had been there for several days before anyone noticed it was a real body and not a Halloween decoration. The police said it wasn't related to the serial killer but I don't believe them.
Fingerprints have been tools since the 1940s, DNA since the late 80s. Most famous killers were all found through local witnesses, family members or physical evidence left at scenes.
People watching people is still more effective than modern camera surveillance, most of the time video is an afterthought and not very effective in determining motives, only as a time and place reference after the killer is found and identified.
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