There is nothing when you die. You blink out of existence. No

>>684903533
>ultimate truth

wew lad

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I think Picard from TNG summed it up best.

Picard: Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. But I rather believe than time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important how we lived. After all, Number One, we're only mortal.

>>684903533
>fairy tale books arent real
>fairy tale book is real
Make up your fucking mind

It just makes me sort of angry, angry that so many people believe that there will be an afterlife or that some great mystical force is there to protect us. We are literally machines and science literally can explain anything given enough time. To many people try to fight the truth and fail to understand there own mortality. But besides, even being aware of mortality what can we do, theres not much we can do to change it. Death will find us all one day, just as it has found our ancestors and every other living thing on earth.

>>684903533
wut happens to your conscience tho

>>684904044
Well deserved dubs

>>684904606
It would be like while you're asleep but not dreaming. Are you experiencing the sleep? No.

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>>684903533
The way I see it the possibilities are both equally terrifying or blissfully peaceful. On one hand, there is an after life, something more than we understand. Something metaphysical that we may ever understand until the day we die. The other option is that is indeed nothing. In which case, we finally get to rest. No heaven or anything of the sort, real peace with nothingness. No more trouble or explaining, your story is done.

>>684905117
I would kill every single person on earth if it meant living for a couple more minutes. My story is everything. Nothings matters but your story. It is neither peace nor rest.

>>684903533
how do you know, were you there when someone came back from death?

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>>684906008
sorry to break it to you. Your story isn't anything more special than any other person in this world. Everyone is pretty self centered and think they are the protagonist of their own story. You seem to lack empathy. You, I and everyone here will be forgotten. Whether it's a couple of years or hundreds, you will be forgotten. Good news is, when you get to your inevitable death, you will finally be laid to rest.

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>>684903533
Everything in this life is made and adapted to this life. When you die, you experience the dissolution of the material world and it occurs on numerous levels. Any experiences of "Pearly Gates", tunnels of light and harp playing angels would be vestigial concepts of what the afterlife might be and these too will be dissolved. When this world has passed away to you, then you will experience what is beyond life. What we think of now of what that will be are only analogies and relative descriptions where no words would ever fit to describe what is immaterial. The bottom line is if you believe nature has put this much energy into a consciousness and vehicle only to discard both as useless you can only be stupid. More than that, it's a deep existential cynicism born out of trauma and negative, depressive life experiences and no actually rational thought. So you can just fuck off, the rest of us don't need your bullshit

Zero fucks are given because who gives a shit f'reals.
Life is to live. Nothing to gain, nothing to lose, no glory or memory or afterlife. Whether life is a joke or a lie doesn't matter, its you who chooses whether to laugh or cry, and wasting time on truth that's fleeting, forcing abstract meaning on the meaningless, that's pointless and thoughtless and worst of all its boring. You've got us snoring, little Nietzsche, get going before we beatcha, and I just realized this rap is crap and nobody's gonna clap but thats cool, cuz zero fucks were given for as long as we're livin'.

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>>684907171

there are times where I have prayed for something unreasonable and "miracles" happened for me. Reason tells me coincidence, but I want to believe they weren't. i wish the end of the world would just happen already. this way everyone dies together and face emptiness or we can truly see if there was a higher power afterall

>>684907171
I mean, I don't mean to be pessimistic but why are we humans so important or special. If you believe in evolution, at what point in our evolutionary scale did we start having an afterlife? why does the concept of animals and cavemen having an afterlife is ridiculous but us humans isn't? What makes us so special.

By the time i reach 50 years old functional immortality will exist, sux to your impending doom fgts

>>684903533
L2 religion faggot

>>684903533
if that's true, how did he come back? he had to have been someplace to return

>>684907960
this tbh fam, no matter how much i think god isnt real i still have that feeling he is and not necessarily a god even i just think theres something more

>>684903769

Are you capable of using a vocabulary I won't find on knowyourmeme?

>>684903533
Nobody knows what happens when you die, so fuck off and post something interesting.

>>684908829
Poi?

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>>684903533
Pretty good. Who wants to live forever?

whenever ive died, i just go find a new body for my consciousness to inhabit

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>>684903533

Okay

>>684903533
Your view is just as valid as the people who worship a book, only difference they get people to pay them to do it.

>>684903533
No shit you fucking faggot, everyone knows this you fucking retard

>>684903533
Alright, so where did John Snow's consciousness come back from?

>>684904044
Beautiful. My friend told me he watched STNG because it was like the bible of our time.

>>684910018

Melisandre's magic repaired the machine. She fixed his body. He woke up. He didn't come back from anywhere.

Place a new battery in a toy. Same thing.

>>684904606
A very similar thing that happened to that one cloud you saw in the 3rd grade, that looked like an elephant juggling on a skateboard, I reckon.

Nahh fam, I'm good.
https://youtu.be/AaEuyV2YWoA

>>684910633
Faggot

Save a bunch of pictures on a flash drive.

Go outside and smash that flash drive to a million little pieces.

The drive is your brain and the pictures were your memories.

>>684903533
>tells a lie
>claims its the truth
just because Game of Thrones said it doesn't make it true you dork

http://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2014/10/07-worlds-largest-near-death-experiences-study.page

http://www.npr.org/2013/02/21/172495667/resuscitation-experiences-and-erasing-death

Everything is energy. Rebirth to life to death. A living breathing consciousness that is the universe, that connects us all on a subconscious level that we can't even begin to explain. We mold our own destination and where we end up as a society, species, etc. More people are just now becoming aware of it. But we keep taking one step forward and two back. People are scared of change. But progress begets progress. To move forward is change. For something better I like to believe.

>>684908172
Who said that animals and the like DON'T experience the afterlife?

I like to believe all my *good* pet dogs get to run in an infinitely long field chasing a ball that will never cease to bounce away from them, indefatigably.

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>>684903533
I'd probably KMS if I could get over that last 0.1% of doubt that I'm gonna burn for eternity.

That little boy who is afraid of hell never really goes away if you are indoctrinated as a child with fire and brimstone.

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>>684903533
im an atheist maybe agnostic maybe a deist

who gives a fuck

but IF there is an after life its PROBABLY because a god created it and you

IF THATS SO

you cant just fuckin trick the universe and whatever the thing is that created it and you and the fuckin afterlife - by dying and coming back to life - IT FUCKIN KNOWS YOU WERE GOING TO COME BACK TO LIFE

therefore its not going to let you break the whole system of something called a fuckin AFTER life by seeing it BEFORE you die

Death is.....
Death is personal.
Death is liberating.
It is a gift of freedom from the shackles of this world.
Embrace it.
Don't fear it.
It comes when it is beckoned.
It comes when it is not expected.
It comes....

>>684913409
NEELIX CAN GET FUCKED

>>684910390
That's right, batteries not included

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious.html

>>684903533
You have no way to prove this...

>>684903533
why would this change how i live. im still going to try and be happy. im still going to try and help others. nothing will change.

>>684910386
next generation is the only star trek i like.
its very philosophical and attempts to answer extremely tough questions.

good show.
nerdy and geeky as fuck. but its good.

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>>684915244

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>>684903533
The only ultimate truth is that you don't know shit.

You'll find happiness when, and only when, you accept that as fact.

>>684906596
Forgotten... that is why I am the only one that matters. I could care less what becomes of the world after I die. I lack empathy, yes I suppose. And this may change when I have a child. But as of now, no life is more important then mine. And no conscience is more important to sustain then my own.

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>>684912537
Holy fuck please grow up. that Disney shit is so fuckin retarded. Any concept of an afterlife is just wishful thinking born from fear and anxiety of death

>>684903533
the only ultimate truth I know is gas the kikefags like OP

>>684908172
The thought of the afterlife is usually connected with a religion/god. And most gods have humans as their main creation. If there is a god, he cares about us more then other beings. If there is no God, there is no afterlife

>>684915552
This anon is correct. Only uneducated plebs make concrete statements about the world we live in. OP wouldn't be saying this crap if he understood a little about how surreal the world actually is.

>>684916000
Nice trips. Also best answer to OP. Well played Anon, well played

>>684903533
Fucking this. I try telling this to people all the time. Literally nothing matters in the grand scheme of things. So why not do what makes you happy?

>>684916577
So if blowing everyone's fucking brains out made them happy, would u still want them to do ' whatever makes them happy'??

>>684916577
Because other people don't want you to be happy. Misery loves company. It's a fucking desease that wastes so much potential for a happy and fulfilling life. Bc after all this life is literally all you will ever have

I am comforted by the theory that trillions of years down the road, I will be posting this exact same post, in the exact same bed, feeling the exact same way, as I have ad infinitum

(big bang, big crunch, big bang, etc..)

>>684903533
Well, according to Mr smart guy Einstein there might be life after death. So far through crazy wacky physics he's been right about it. Hence why he was constantly in a agnostic struggle with the concept of god.

>>684916825
>other people

Fuck other people. If they want to draw you into their misery, move on and abandon them.

>>684903533
world will end when I die

>>684917214
Nice source there, dan rather

>>684916577
Fucking relativists

>>684903533
Indifferently.

>>684917492
This answer is trivial to my reality.

As they say, death is a concept of the living, not of the dead.

>>684916737
seek help

>>684917892
Lol I'm not saying I would. I'm jjus trying to proveca point

>>684917379
Quantum mechanics for starts.
If you look at death from that point of view it's in an entangled state.
Not gonna source Einstein take to long and I have no idea how it would be presented to autism land. But it's all there.

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>>684903533
state your sources, plebe

>>684909125
I want to live forever

>>684911353
people who are near dead aren't dead enough.

>>684910982
They're still there, though. Just taken on a different form of shape.

>>684918878
Myself, which is sufficient since all humans die

I got really drunk the other night and cried about it, but it's not bothering me anymore. To be fair to myself, I was also pissed about my car breaking down.

>>684903533
>ultimate truth

Yeah? Prove it. Pro Tip: You can't

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Everyone has their own path to the same destination. What you believe happens after death is irrelevant to me. Either side of the argument can't be proven, it's pretentious to say your beliefs are the only way.

>>684904522
Your message is the antithesis of Christ's. Yours is a message of despair, his was one of hope. Why would I listen to you? Your worldview sucks.

>>684903533
I accepted this a long time ago, and it doesn't bother me at all. It actually brought me a lot of peace. The idea of existing forever is pretty terrifying.

>>684919573
That kinda depends on what you do with the time, don't it?

Life has no meaning.
In this moment I exist.
Now, I will make a question.
Why the universe invest resources of itself to make me?
The universe do not waste.

>>684919392
It is fair to say that nothing happens after death. If life were to undergo some sort of metamorphosis upon death then revival would be impossible and so would extending your life span.

>>684912537
I imagine all the good bacteria go to an infinite feeding ground where there's no limit to what they can eat, and there's antibacterial substances nearby.

>>684919997
The universe doesn't invest anything, it's not self-aware. We can't explain why there is a universe but I'm fairly certain there is no reason for it to make you.

>>684919997
What's your native language?

>>684919997
that is pretty contradictory. I like it.

>>684920174
He might be talking about the laws of thermodynamics.

>>684903533
So why make a thread of it? Does it secretly frighten you?

Who cares.

>>684920106
You are projecting.

>>684920281
fucking entropy is a bitch.

>>684904522
spoken like a true 3 dimensional being

>>684920106
Plenty happens after death. Mainly, your relatives and descendants fighting over your material possessions. Your bodily decomposition. The earth still revolves. So it goes.

>>684920187
Sorry for that. Im not good with this language.

>>684920174
But we come from the universe itself. We are from the same set. And we are intelligent. Nature created intelligence. What I want to make explicit is the reason exists. It must exist for some goal. Is like the ultimate freedom.Nothing is free as us. Why the nature made this freedom?

>>684920196
Thanks.

>>684919470
And your worldview is literally whimsical and totally out of touch with reality.

>>684904522
See: Aubade. Phillip Larkin.

We are not "literally machines". Machines are "literally" machines. There's a whole science devoted to understanding the human psyche. And a whole division of studies devoted to the human condition (humanities).

and it is constantly in flux.

>>684920793
No, your English is fine, I was only curious. I'm enjoying your take on the topic.

>>684919728
you cant fathom what it truly means to exist forever, its pretty terrible. Death definitely has meaning, its in a way a favor. Not that you should rush towards it.

I personally really just hope consciousness is not actually in the body and that if anything our brains are awareness filters, when removed you just are everything in that sense. Obviously there would be no ties to human existence but im not 100% sure you are exactly dead. Thats being hopeful though.

>>684920793
The universe didn't make you. Your parents fucked, you popped out 9 months later. Intelligence is manmade and gauged by men, so it's a relative term. You're just a bag of bones that is randomly making its way to death. Your experiences between birth and death are 100% cause and effect.

>>684903533
It's all good.

If there really was an afterlife that rewards good and punishes bad as many religions claim, then being a good person would be nothing more than a cynical trade-off for post-mortem benefits.

There's nothing noble in living good life as a trade-off. The only value of living a good life is when you do the right thing even though you know that nobody would punish you for going the easy way and just being evil.

>>684920174
This is very good question. Why all of this exists? I mean, of course the human history could be different. I'm thinking about the very beginning. Why exists something? Whatever? And, in millions of years of creation and destruction, everything, today, leads to us talking about why we exists.

>>684908205
This is for u anon America, Now - Topic: Health - YouTube

>>684903533
you fookin wat

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>>684903533

>>684921793
You are not thinking big picture enough, there was at some point a mechanism that set off life, at the very least its in the framework of the universe which also strives for balance and efficiency, why would it waste energy on that? Clearly there is some purpose to the self realization of matter, even if its simplistic. There just wouldn't have been energy spent on this if otherwise.

>>684921976
Well, the "existence of it all" is a pre-requirement for us to ask ourselves that question.

There could be plenty of places out there where literally nothing exists but, by definition, nobody asks any questions there.

The afterlife is what you believe it to be, in my opinion at least.

We spend our entire lives wondering about what happens when we die. Some of us believe in heaven, some of us believe in reincarnation, some believe in absolutely nothing. No matter what you believe in, that belief becomes what you perceive death to be.

The only (semi)logical reasoning I have for this is that there are thousands of different people who've momentarily died and given descriptions of what it felt like.

Christians have seen heaven and hell.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html

http://www.christianpost.com/news/woman-stops-doubting-god-after-she-dies-and-talks-to-him-in-heaven-for-9-minutes-it-was-perfect-beautiful-amazing-107595/

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-Christian-(roman-Catholic)/1587294


Atheists have seen nothing, saying that it could only be defined as absolute nonexistence.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/theres.no.afterlife.says.man.who.died.twice/49121.htm


Buddhists and other groups have "witnessed" reincarnation.

http://wallstreetinsanity.com/9-reincarnation-stories-that-will-give-you-goosebumps/

https://exemplore.com/paranormal/Past-Lives-The-True-Story-of-The-Children-Who-Have-Lived-Before


However, in the end none of these theories actually matter since there's no possible way of proving or disproving the existence of any afterlife.

>>684922118
Master bait. Like a literary, psychological circle jerk.

Who eats the wet cookie?

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>>684903533
>How does the ultimate truth make you live your now life, /b/?

it makes me do nothing diffferent

i will still be a NEET

i will still be a loser

i will still be a zero

i will be content to be nothing

i will be nothing now

i will be nothing forever

>>684922465
What if it is a false something but true nothing

>>684922831
but you are something.

You are here.

You just may not be what you want to be.

But that's ok. Rarely anybody is.

>>684922731
I'd argue that thats more part 1 of the afterlife, the moment before true death when your brain really fully connects and takes a good proper look at itself, of course you would infer your after death expectation into it. True death is not a near death experience, coming from someone who had one.

>>684923053
like a deathgasm, if you will?

>>684922465
You remind me this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TM0zA2_5UE

>>684909012
Fag

>>684908829
Check this guy out..

>>684908829
must be summer...

>>684922219
This is going to turn into creationist vs. cosmic space particle debate isn't it? The answer is the same regardless of genesis, we are here because two people fucked. We die because a bodily system fails. The time in between is filled with choices we make and the results we get from those choices.

>>684923175
actually that is a great way to put it, since the brain makes sporadic connections in the same way during orgasm as well as a life flashing before you eyes type moment. Shit gets cool when you start screwing with the filters of your brain either chemically or naturally.

>>684923444
so there is truth in the french calling in orgasm the "little death"?

Such a quaint, aristocratic way of dealing with it.

>>684909643
Sorry but your imaginary friend wont save you. You and i will both be gone before the next century. Sorry if that makes you feel scared

>>684923414
who cares. You and I did not create, nor do we have any control. We are merely along for the ride.

Ride the tiger.

>>684917152
So you've posted this before?

>>684923710
that pasta is so stale its protopasta.

>>684903533
You come in this world with nothing, and then you die with nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!

>>684903533
You newtonian pleb
get with the quantum times, reality is a buggered holographic illusion and the ego is the only constant.
There is no proof of ego death you jew.
get rekt.

>>684923831
unexpected kek

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>>684908829
SUMMER COMES EARLY BOIS!

>>684921976
Only time can asnwer those questions

>>684909643

>>684923667 meant for this: >>684919470

>>684923912
are you the microsoft turing test turned to flesh and meat?

>>684907171
> The bottom line is if you believe nature has put this much energy into a consciousness and vehicle only to discard both as useless you can only be stupid.
>More than that, it's a deep existential cynicism born out of trauma and negative, depressive life experiences and no actually rational thought.

>being on /b/ and believing that

>>684903533
Hey that's good. I go through life comforted by my absurd beliefs, and when I die, I won't be able to tell the difference. Save for the off chance that I'm right, in which I may likely be eternally rewarded for a lifetime of saying bedtime prayers and being nice to people.
But like I said, if not... still doesn't matter. Not like it's gonna burn my ass, because in your beliefs, I won't have one to burn. :P

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>>684923037
i wasn't looking for uplifting handouts mate

i was stating a fact

i accepted it a long time ago

the universe is one massive lottery

i was born with poor genetics, and that's ok
i was born without inheritance, and that's ok
i was born a white person into a world where the jews are pushing the nigger agenda, and that's ok
i was born with massive depression, but i'm able to cope with it through alcholism, and that's ok

i accepted many years ago that i'll never amount to anything other than an alcoholic loser who said fuck everything and didn't give a fuck. and i'm ok with that

i really do pity the people in the same position as me who expect more from life.

>>684924139
You ever see an animal make a mistake?

>>684923053
There's a world of difference between real death and a near death experience, no doubt, but I personally feel like a short clinical death, like 9 minutes, is easily a long enough time to experience true death. That short split second before you actually die you'll no doubt be thinking about what the afterlife, or the state of complete nonexistence, will be like and as you die, your visual representation of death is essentially seared into your consciousness and somehow creates that reality in your mind, making it seem real.

As I type this i'm realizing how fucking ridiculous it sounds but you never know I guess.

>>684907171
Holy shit Aristotle, I had to read that twice.
But srsly, that's a nice way to put it.

>>684924759
to low expectations *clinks busch light beer can against whatever you are drinking* you have found a kindred soul.

>>684923701
Agreed.

>>684922219
This. Damn this,

>>684922925
Elaborate please.

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>>684903533
Energy cant get lost you cumgargling faggot. Do you even Alan Watts?

>>684924759
Hear, fucking hear!
Do your thing. Have fun. Live. Don't live to others expectations; do your own shit. I'm in the same boat. I'm thirty, unwed, working off debt, living for nothing but the weekend and the next bottle, but...
Damned if it still isn't a good life.

>>684923831
My sides.

>>684903533

Robert E. Howard said it best:

Conan shrugged his shoulders. "I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."

Friendly reminder that reading these pseudo-philosophical modernist faux-salon egotistical dick measuring contests is a colossal waste of your time and does nothing but poison your mind with the self-assured positivistic ramblings of edgy college aged children regurgitating the mangled and half-digested remains of equally self-assured naturalistic positivism bullshit picked up from either the remains of digested ideology scavenged from other children, or from pop philosophers claiming a divine scientific truth about something they can fundamentally never understand.

Even you reading this is quite possibly the biggest waste of your time today, particularly because you'll refute it, boxing off my own vague ramblings into an equally limiting box of ideology that you can conveniently label as "Other" and never consider on a fundamental instinctual level. The actual noumenal truth of death is that it's nothing but the cessation of perception, not the cessation of existence. Being able to "experience" death is so irrelevant to the reality of the process that you'll never see the entire picture if you focus on such a microscopically unimportant aspect of it. Time as it applies to you is a conical rhizomatic multiplicity, and death is nothing but the termination of a single multiplicity among the entire rhizome. What lies after death is the entire rhizome, and the termination of a single multiplicity among multiplicities does nothing but expand your own "experience". Now stop reading this dumb ass post, stop reading these dumb ass threads, and go back to whatever distraction you were doing before. It'll all be over soon.

>>684924071
The only thing I can do is to wait? But, we all who are reading and writing this we won't know the answer. Or maybe we don't need it.

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>>684925585
cheers my guys

drinking beer tonight 'cause it's sitting around

i'll have my vodka tomorrow and be ready forr some REAL fun!

>>684925718
yea robert e howard was a cool romantic dude

highclass neckbeard poet

>>684925797
tl;dr flowery agnosticism

>>684925797
Recommend some books.

>>684903769
nihilism is the way to go

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>>684925797
Fuck off space nigger.
I feel you though.

>>684926124
The entire first paragraph was a direct attack on agnostics. Shoving pure ideology down your split croaking throat is better than being a useless denialist cuck-to-existence, and if you're going to settle for that kind of life denying bad faith then you should promptly off yourself and find out the "truth", because killing yourself would be the singular life-affirming act you'd commit in your entire life.

Now read again, fuckboi. Or stop wasting your time and don't.

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>>684918878
>When people use "Burden of proof" responses backwards

shiggy diggy

Anyway, you've already experienced what it's like after you died. It's exactly the same as it was before you were born.

You don't experience an afterlife.
You don't experience a nothingness.
You don't experience.

You can become a sciencist and help humanity reach those answers

>>684926426
"cuck" "fuckboi"
when did people start talking like this?
and... why?

>>684925797
But while death comes, we are here. Why?

nigga i KNOW this

>>684916337
> Only uneducated plebs make concrete statements about the world we live in
> makes 3 concrete statements about the world we live in

>>684926167
George "the conductor" Carlin

>>684925357
Well, imagine a situation where someplace exists that isn't real, but people ask questions. But not people like you and I know it. Almost prerecorded response from a net... or a hive. Or just a million different data points atuned to time.

>>684925797
how do i buzzword doe

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ITT: 13 year olds being pseudo-intellectual

Summer truly has arrived.

>>684926017
you are what you do when it counts.

>>684926426
No, your entire first paragraph was an attack on ATHEISM. Also, you ramble like a fuckwit. Telling me to kill myself, in any terms, is still a halfassed child's response, and your preemptive self-deprecation doesn't impress anyone or make your post seem any more intelligent.

>>684926538
Apparently your purpose is to ask the biggest rag tag bunch of retards on the inter webs why you are here.
Protip: stop pandering for other people's idealolgy and just do your thing.

>>684926167
Chaosmosis, Discours de metaphysique, A Thousand Plateaus, Duration and Simultaneity, The Jerusalem Bible, candy wrappers you found in the trash
>>684926536
When it became a necessity to bridge the gap of alienation brought about by the spectacle with the decaying discourse of the night of the world. Also when you stop being a fucking cuck.
>>684926538
Because I say so.
>>684926628
If you don't understand the use of selective discourse you should go back to sucking NDT's veiny black cock, let his cum seep into your eye sockets, then try reading my post again.

>>684903533
1.) Find out for yourself
2.) ?????
3.) Profit

>>684927151
what if: he's doing his own thing by pandering to a rag tag bunch of retards on the inter webs?

>>684927256
this niggers gay
im out this queer thread

>>684927256
Jesus Christ, he reads all this shit and he's STILL this fucking stupid!

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>>684926288
Why am I checking my own dubs? Faggots!

>>684927256
Where there is night, there is also high noon.

>>684927093
>no your post says WHAT I THINK IT MEANS
lel. How's it feel to be a slave to obscurantism, cakeboy? Also I'm not deprecating myself. I'm deprecating the discourse I'm using. I'm a God.
>>684926678
Just pull up the wikipedia page for metaphysics and respond to me with every multisyllable word you see.

>>684927367
What if frogs had wings?

>>684903533
This scares the shit out of me honestly. I believe in God and Heaven and all that but I can't help but think what if I'm wrong and there's nothing? No more me, just black. And even if I'm reincarnated it's not me, none of my hobbies or likes. I just don't exist. Hell if I'm reincarnated I won't even know! I'll be a whole new person, no more baseball, no more wife, no more nothing. Shit gives me anxiety

>>684927832
candyass

>>684927514
I actually haven't read any of it. I read Sparknotes. I do appreciate the 2nd person perspective though baby.

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>>684927256
>Chaosmosis, Discours de metaphysique, A Thousand Plateaus, Duration and Simultaneity, The Jerusalem Bible, candy wrappers you found in the trash

You are gold.

>>684909058
Poi ciao giovane guerriero

>>684927880
http://www.amazon.com/Commander-Toad-Space-Jane-Yolen/dp/0698113551

>>684927832
>>684927982
And... this is what makes you a clown. I'mma go masturbate. Good talkin' to ya.

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>>684926854
jesse was a pseudo intellectual that's why he was all morally debated over his business practice

use a relevant GIF next time, fucking ass hole

>>684903533
Looking forward to it.

>>684910390
U can't reapair memory....
Our brain is not like a PC...

>>684928094
I'll be exerting my will on you, fagtron. Your ass is mine. While you're trying to slap that bulgy red-eyed overtenderized beef steak remember that I own you. You are mine. Honk honk.

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>>684927899

>>684928259
from 8am on June 16th to sometime after 4 A.M. on June 17th. memory is a bitch.

>>684903533
no matter what your perception of life is its all a grand illusion, whatever you tell yourself is what you'll find every time because your mind can only comprehend what it can create

>>684928265
This post made me kek. I'm on you all night fuckboi.

>>684927093
You are a flaming faggot

>>684919470
You believe a happy lie over a sad truth, one of the greatest failures a man can do.

>>684928425
thanks for coming through with that sick may may, reddit

>>684903533
Edgy b8 m8

>>684906008
solipsistic faggot. probably millennial.

"Nothingness" after death is just a theory, there is no proof to support it yet

>>684928265
Holy shit, it's fucking skeeter!

What's up, you blue nigger?!?

>>684928501
Reality is real kiddo.

Realtime reality experiment:
Tell yourself you can walk through walls
Try to walk through wall
Post results.

>>684904606
Same thing that happens to yor Call of Duty game when you unplug your playstation from the wall.

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>science explained energy can't be destroyed nor created, just changed - this applies to us and/or consciousness
>science just proved that consciousness DOES exist after death
>you said otherwise without informing yourself
>mfw

>>684929390
who isn't a millenial here. Our greatest struggle is defining ourselves.

better than the baby boomer "me" generation.

>>684903533
>>684903533
i poop. i die.

>>684929896
this is the real truth of the thread. You also have to eat too. To poop. It is good to eat good things*.

*Universal truth.

>>684903533
Prove it

>>684929790
Nigger you WHAT?
Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. not some mystical pseudoscience bullshit, while yes energy is neither created nor destroyed, consciousness/rationality is not energy

>>684929790
>you provide no sources

>>684929612
My mind can't create that kind of reality as it's been conditioned the same way yours has....to accept what we perceive to be reality. Reality is far more complex than our three dimensional construct we inhabit

>>684903533
meh. in the long run the universe dosen't even care that it exists so why not enjoy what little time you have.

Nothing is created and nothing is destroyed... The energy that makes up the mind has to go somewhere.
>after
>life

>>684929790
Consciousness is a product of energy. Just like light is a product of combustion.

>>684930095
Neurons firing off in your brain isn't energy?
Sounds legit

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>>684930400
>>684930411
Nice
>checked

>>684930095
Please inform yourself NOT from a religious POV, but from a science POV, they've years of research and experiments on this.

>>684930161
Google :
>First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study
There was a study in 2014 that yes, consciousness continue after death

www.horizonresearch org/Uploads/Journal_Resuscitation__2_.pdf

There's a blank space between the link and ''org'', add a dot

Wasn't banking on an afterlife, don't really care.

I don't remember before my life, so I'm not really bothered by the after.

>>684930400
>>684930411
>>684930511
I now believe

>>684903533
There is, you'll be pleasantly surprised

>>684930411
>that we know of.

We have a limited sample of consciousness. We actually know very little about it. Just on our planet. There could be an infinite supply of different styled consciousnesses elsewhere. Perhaps on different planes of existences. not chemically/energy based.

>>684930260
No. Reality is always something you can quantify. You're being silly.

I love how you can tell who has high and low IQ from their statements. A few of them have been very intellectual. Others are based off bullshit and straight up stupid. Excellent.

>>684903533
>How does the ultimate truth make you live your now life, /b/?

Sitting in the basement eating hot pockets and browsing /b/.

>>684903533
Whether there is an afterlife or not, nobody finds out until they die, where it becomes a moot point anyway. Why waste time worrying about it?

>>684931046
I lik3 how this statement is "i am smarter than you eat shit" but dressed up all fancy-like.

what an insufferable faggot.

>>684904522
You have shit grammar for such an "enlightened" individual.

>>684930821
You're projecting.

>>684931290
instead of attacking the meat of the argument, you are merely attacking the garnish.

Excellent.

>>684907171
>The bottom line is if you believe nature has put this much energy into a consciousness and vehicle only to discard both as useless

Why would nature make a vehicle if consciousness does not require one to exist? Now thát would be a waste of energy.

>>684931329
everyone who says anything is.

>>684931483
nature can be very wasteful. depending on the auditor.

>>684928883
Hahaha is that so? Pretty funny considering you are writing in a feels thread then sadboi

>>684915552
/thread
Rational thinkers 1
Edgy nihilist teenagers 0

>>684930561
>www.horizonresearch org/Uploads/Journal_Resuscitation__2_.pdf
Step 1 is learn to interpretate scientific papers, the study you linked examines memories and trauma experienced during cardiac arrest, for the study to examine them they must have survived, had they experienced brain death (hereafter referred to as death) they would not have experiences to share. therefore I do not consider that proof of sustained life after death.

What I'm saying is that our mind, our consciousness stems from the complicated physical structures of our brain.(eg. there is no *consciousness* lobe of the brain. while energy is involved, it is a single component of a very complex system that results in you.

while the energy that makes up your brain does persist after your death, the particular formation and makeup that makes you you, does not persist.

(please note, this relies on us living in a purely material universe - which I have not found evidence to disprove)

Just the same. Nothing new here, OP.

>>684931683
10 bucks says the thread won't end.

>>684903533
You die? But you don't exist. ''You'', ''me'', ''I'' is fiction. It's a character created by our minds. I am John Doe, I am a very nice person. We all came from the big bang, we're all made from the same matter, we're the universe perceiving itself. We're an infinite empty field of awareness. What can be perceived is not you, what you think is not you. What you think is you, is not you. Remember that.

I believe in reincarnation as it was discussed by the ancient greeks. You can't take your knowledge into your new incarnation, either you're forced to forget or the brain is incapable of receiving it. You get plopped into the material universe and try to rack up the highest score by fucking as many little boys as you can.

>>684932027
I don't believe you.

I can't be fiction. I am here, typing this. To you. Now.

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>>684903533

You can't kill me I was born dead
- Big L

Enlightenment is any experience of expanding our consciousness beyond its present limits. We could also say that perfect enlightenment is realizing that we have no limits at all, and that the entire universe is alive.

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>>684903533
I was braindead for 3 minutes.
I felt nothing.
When I woke up and came to the realization of this new information.
I tried to digest this as best as I could, being a child at the time
I didn't feel terrified.
I didn't feel comfort.
I felt nothing.
As a teen a assumed that life is a twisted game with no extra lives, only power-ups.

>>684932027
So kind of like you've never actually seen yourself, only your reflection in the mirror.

>>684932027
This is gobbledygook. The thread.

>>684932098
Yes, the body is. But you are giving your character (Your name) the attribute of control and action.
Search for spiritual enlightenment if you want to escape your mental prison.
Discover your infinite power.

>>684932323
I am what i do. and I think you sound like one of those male enhancement commercials.

>>684907171
The ego is strong with this one.

>>684932195
Intense

>>684903533
I already accepted that before i've read your post. What's your point faggot?

>>684932323
Let me rephrase that.
You are giving the body a story, a character. Your ego has made a web of stories that you attribute to that character. Don't identify with the voice in your head. The older you are, the harder this is for you to accept or try even as your model of reality is pretty set right now.

>>684932323
you are only acknowledging one aspect of "me", the physical being. But there has to be something other than the physical. We are communicating. I feel. I think. I live.

>>684932323
You're trying to separate a singular thing. Very poorly, I might add.

>>684931290
you are retard

>>684903533
>There is nothing when you die. You blink out of existence. No afterlife, no awareness of oblivion. No awareness, period. Your body is a broken machine. You are no longer you. You're gone. Accept it. The billions before you? They had no choice. They no longer exist, either.
>How does the ultimate truth make you live your now life, /b/?
That or Rose Leslie was not available to do an afterlife scene between John Snow and Ygritte.

Then again, with all the flashbacks going on this season, an after life scene between the two would be fun with Ygritte finally willing to teach John something.

Then the Raise Dead spell is cast, John comes back and we get one more "You know nothing!" line out of her.

>>684932654
but the voice in my head is there. Just like my physical body is there. You have to acknowledge both to live. To know yourself. or to at least try.

>>684932098
>I don't believe you.
>I can't be fiction. I am here, typing this. To you. Now.
The body is a container of the real us, the spirit, with past and future lives. It is like the ultimate video game. Die, play the game again with the karma points you earns or lost. You level up or level down next life.

>>684932685
>>684932707
Well, what I'm talking about isn't something that can be explained in a god damn 4chan thread. This required years and decades of commitment.

The buddha means the enlightened one if I'm not mistaking. It's what the buddha was after, it's what buddhist monks are after. Don't let me make you think it's a religion (and discourage you). It's not a religion, it's not a philosophy, it's not some story - it's something you can discover. Meditation and self-inquiry really helps towards this.

>>684933076
quite conveniently nebulous. but if it works for you... it works. For you.

Don't go telling other people they are wrong.

That's pretty un-Buddha like. Man.

>>684903533
I still don't give a shit, it's not like I didn't know there is nothing waiting for me.

>>684933266
Oh, I'm not enlightened yet. I just discovered the topic about a year ago and have worked with consciousness a bit. I'm still stuck in my character and all it's flaws, petty problems etc.

>>684903533
It's been making me depressed again.

I haven't done anything with my life. I'm 21. I have already been through therapy and medication and I was happy with myself again but it's starting back up. Thinking about how my parents will die when I'm 30-40 makes me sad because then I'll really have nobody. I really don't want to die and every time I do something I just don't feel like doing it because I'm going to die anyway. I've heard it all before just live your life be happy and there's nothing you can do about it but it will still happen and I can't shake it off. Jobless, friendless, I just hate my life but I don't want to die either.

>>684933615
well I hope you feel fulfillment in your enlightenment. And wish all the luck in your journey.

>>684933764
Why thank you. I appreciate it.

>>684903533
WAY TOO PHILOSOPHICAL WITH IT NIGGER. You die you decompose you return your nutrients to earth, your corpse will be eaten by worms bugs and bacteria. Beyond that I already knew this shit, so no change.

>>684933076
*sniff
Smells like religion.

You don't know, nor can you prove what happens after death. Anything you spout off about is ideology.

>>684932195
There are repeating themes with people who report to experience near death experiences (NREs). They may have been approaching death or have been dead for several minutes but occasionally theres a tunnel of light, big open area/meadow, stupid shit like that.

But the most convincing evidence for the after life are people like you. These people experience an interval of nothingness, emotionless darkness. In my opinion it would be like a dreamless sleep, you wake up instantly without even a foggy mishmash of nonsense. That's how a truly materialistic existence work, again, in my opinion. But there was a distinct lack of everything for a moment. That is important, for all the complexities and organization humans build, all life only lives in the moment. Time, like 5 minutes, is an abstraction on top of that, which is an agreed upon way of addressing time with other beings. So the fact a moment existed where there was nothing, like you characterize, is astounding because supposedly that is happening without brain activity.

What will bridge all these NREs, is that almost through a magical act you psyche yourself up into believing the most logical expectation will happen. So after you die, your soul (people hate this word), still lingering with the thoughts/desires/ego/personality of the previous life shapes your perception of the after life. Not to mention thinking about loved ones, your body, memories, recalling your life.

Both in the tunnel-trip straight to god and stuck in a void experience eventually dissolves as you begin to appreciate the change back to the incorporeal form. From my experience with university classes, /x/, and lurking the internet till 5AM for several years, this is my take on anecdotal evidence of the supernatural and shit I read. What lies beyond, what form reincarnation takes, and the activity possible for a soul would be complete speculation, more so than now.

>>684929845
Greatest struggle will soon be buying a fucking house actually.

>>684934094
just humor him and make him feel self-righteous. This is the easiest step in manipulating him. Let him think that his unique view is the true path. So that he leaves us alone.

>>684934240
Can you summarize please? If you can't make your point in a sentence or two it proves you don't understand it.

>>684934240
too bad there's no evidence with a true death experience (TDE).

I mean, it almost bunks whatever the hell you said that I didn't read because you are comparing two completely different things.

>>684903533
Amazing information captin obvious

>>684934574
he's trying to equate a Near Death Experience (NRE?) with a True Death Experience (TRE?).

>>684903533

Prove it. Pro tip, you can't. As a deist I have death insurance. You are a faggot.

>>684934574
Everyone experiences something when they die, what you experience is based on what you expected in your recent life. People have reported a void, flowing rivers of lava, or an angelic tunnel, all irrelevant since nobody reports true nonexistence.

>>684934094
Yea hah, I might've come off as cocky and a know-it-all. Again, I'm not enlightened and I'm still in the character the ego has created. No one can know what happens after death. From the people that have experienced death for a short while, some say they saw light (religious people) and some of the people I know say they just disappeared, there was nothingness and peace.

>>684903533
I don't fear death, but there is one unpleasant possibility that I think about sometimes.
That on some spiritual level, you are aware of what's happening. That you're trapped inside your body and can feel everything on that spiritual level, and have to feel the whole process of cremation/being buried(and eaten by insects).
Then once your body is reduced to nothing you can pass on to whatever else there is.
There's no way to disprove it... Something fun to think about.

>>684934607
Oh I'm sorry you're such a special snowflake that demands everyone use his terms. People bundle all death experiences in NDEs, get over it occult hipster fuck.

>>684903533
>The billions before you? They had no choice.
ahh I see, everything is chosen by gawds

>>684928883
I don't think so.
If it all goes away once you die, it makes no sense to do anything other than what you want, however offensive that might be to your sensibilities.

>>684904522
Angry that people have different opinion. Forgets opinions aren't facts, just perspectives.

Angry that people have different perspectives.

>>684907171
Beautiful

>>684934873
It's kind of a waste of study then, there is literally no way you can find the answer until you are dead as a door nail...which would make typing out that thesis a real motherfucker.

>ultimate truth

nigger you're not even dead yet to prove your claim. henceforth kill yourself

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stop being fucking betas and improve yourselves.

rich, successful, muscular people don't fucking cry on anime forums about "the ultimate truth" you worthless faggot, they write some poetry about existentialism on their mega yacht and fuck bitches.

>>684903533
If this is the truth then I'd probably just an hero. If my existence will cease at some point then there wouldn't a difference between now and decades from now. And if people close to me got hurt committing an hero, they would cease to exist at some point so why care?

To be honest the only reason I haven't an heroed is the promise of an afterlife because I feel hollow inside and don't really want to live.

>>684935366
You could have just said fuck bitches get money.

>>684903533
No different than before; I'm under no illusion that there's "life" after you die.

So long as I don't have a very painful death if I can help it, I'm all good with it!

>>684903533
it means you need to make peace with the fact your a dumbass

>>684907171
Nature isn't an entity.
It'll do irrational shit if it wants, and waste is one of its calling cards.
With the very universe wearing down from entropy, you don't think Nature will toss aside a little bit of altered carbon?
Get real.

>>684907171
Making factual claims of what happens after death requires something called evidence. You have none. Grow up.

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>>684932027
Who let David Icke in here? Ugh...

>>684935610
I won't pretend to understand your situation but sympathy is the last thing you need. If you aren't happy with where you are in life CHANGE IT. Simplify. Be decisive. Work towards a goal. Motivate yourself. Don't seek poisonous people's acceptance. Get up off the floor faggot

>>684936665
lol'd
Yup tinfoilhat society is here bruh