There is nothing when you die. You blink out of existence. No afterlife, no awareness of oblivion. No awareness, period. Your body is a broken machine. You are no longer you. You're gone. Accept it. The billions before you? They had no choice. They no longer exist, either.
How does the ultimate truth make you live your now life, /b/?
Picard: Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. But I rather believe than time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important how we lived. After all, Number One, we're only mortal.
It just makes me sort of angry, angry that so many people believe that there will be an afterlife or that some great mystical force is there to protect us. We are literally machines and science literally can explain anything given enough time. To many people try to fight the truth and fail to understand there own mortality. But besides, even being aware of mortality what can we do, theres not much we can do to change it. Death will find us all one day, just as it has found our ancestors and every other living thing on earth.
>>684903533 The way I see it the possibilities are both equally terrifying or blissfully peaceful. On one hand, there is an after life, something more than we understand. Something metaphysical that we may ever understand until the day we die. The other option is that is indeed nothing. In which case, we finally get to rest. No heaven or anything of the sort, real peace with nothingness. No more trouble or explaining, your story is done.
>>684906008 sorry to break it to you. Your story isn't anything more special than any other person in this world. Everyone is pretty self centered and think they are the protagonist of their own story. You seem to lack empathy. You, I and everyone here will be forgotten. Whether it's a couple of years or hundreds, you will be forgotten. Good news is, when you get to your inevitable death, you will finally be laid to rest.
>>684903533 Everything in this life is made and adapted to this life. When you die, you experience the dissolution of the material world and it occurs on numerous levels. Any experiences of "Pearly Gates", tunnels of light and harp playing angels would be vestigial concepts of what the afterlife might be and these too will be dissolved. When this world has passed away to you, then you will experience what is beyond life. What we think of now of what that will be are only analogies and relative descriptions where no words would ever fit to describe what is immaterial. The bottom line is if you believe nature has put this much energy into a consciousness and vehicle only to discard both as useless you can only be stupid. More than that, it's a deep existential cynicism born out of trauma and negative, depressive life experiences and no actually rational thought. So you can just fuck off, the rest of us don't need your bullshit
Zero fucks are given because who gives a shit f'reals. Life is to live. Nothing to gain, nothing to lose, no glory or memory or afterlife. Whether life is a joke or a lie doesn't matter, its you who chooses whether to laugh or cry, and wasting time on truth that's fleeting, forcing abstract meaning on the meaningless, that's pointless and thoughtless and worst of all its boring. You've got us snoring, little Nietzsche, get going before we beatcha, and I just realized this rap is crap and nobody's gonna clap but thats cool, cuz zero fucks were given for as long as we're livin'.
there are times where I have prayed for something unreasonable and "miracles" happened for me. Reason tells me coincidence, but I want to believe they weren't. i wish the end of the world would just happen already. this way everyone dies together and face emptiness or we can truly see if there was a higher power afterall
>>684907171 I mean, I don't mean to be pessimistic but why are we humans so important or special. If you believe in evolution, at what point in our evolutionary scale did we start having an afterlife? why does the concept of animals and cavemen having an afterlife is ridiculous but us humans isn't? What makes us so special.
Everything is energy. Rebirth to life to death. A living breathing consciousness that is the universe, that connects us all on a subconscious level that we can't even begin to explain. We mold our own destination and where we end up as a society, species, etc. More people are just now becoming aware of it. But we keep taking one step forward and two back. People are scared of change. But progress begets progress. To move forward is change. For something better I like to believe.
but IF there is an after life its PROBABLY because a god created it and you
IF THATS SO
you cant just fuckin trick the universe and whatever the thing is that created it and you and the fuckin afterlife - by dying and coming back to life - IT FUCKIN KNOWS YOU WERE GOING TO COME BACK TO LIFE
therefore its not going to let you break the whole system of something called a fuckin AFTER life by seeing it BEFORE you die
Death is..... Death is personal. Death is liberating. It is a gift of freedom from the shackles of this world. Embrace it. Don't fear it. It comes when it is beckoned. It comes when it is not expected. It comes....
>>684906596 Forgotten... that is why I am the only one that matters. I could care less what becomes of the world after I die. I lack empathy, yes I suppose. And this may change when I have a child. But as of now, no life is more important then mine. And no conscience is more important to sustain then my own.
>>684908172 The thought of the afterlife is usually connected with a religion/god. And most gods have humans as their main creation. If there is a god, he cares about us more then other beings. If there is no God, there is no afterlife
>>684915552 This anon is correct. Only uneducated plebs make concrete statements about the world we live in. OP wouldn't be saying this crap if he understood a little about how surreal the world actually is.
>>684916577 Because other people don't want you to be happy. Misery loves company. It's a fucking desease that wastes so much potential for a happy and fulfilling life. Bc after all this life is literally all you will ever have
>>684903533 Well, according to Mr smart guy Einstein there might be life after death. So far through crazy wacky physics he's been right about it. Hence why he was constantly in a agnostic struggle with the concept of god.
>>684917379 Quantum mechanics for starts. If you look at death from that point of view it's in an entangled state. Not gonna source Einstein take to long and I have no idea how it would be presented to autism land. But it's all there.
Everyone has their own path to the same destination. What you believe happens after death is irrelevant to me. Either side of the argument can't be proven, it's pretentious to say your beliefs are the only way.
>>684920187 Sorry for that. Im not good with this language.
>>684920174 But we come from the universe itself. We are from the same set. And we are intelligent. Nature created intelligence. What I want to make explicit is the reason exists. It must exist for some goal. Is like the ultimate freedom.Nothing is free as us. Why the nature made this freedom?
We are not "literally machines". Machines are "literally" machines. There's a whole science devoted to understanding the human psyche. And a whole division of studies devoted to the human condition (humanities).
>>684919728 you cant fathom what it truly means to exist forever, its pretty terrible. Death definitely has meaning, its in a way a favor. Not that you should rush towards it.
I personally really just hope consciousness is not actually in the body and that if anything our brains are awareness filters, when removed you just are everything in that sense. Obviously there would be no ties to human existence but im not 100% sure you are exactly dead. Thats being hopeful though.
>>684920793 The universe didn't make you. Your parents fucked, you popped out 9 months later. Intelligence is manmade and gauged by men, so it's a relative term. You're just a bag of bones that is randomly making its way to death. Your experiences between birth and death are 100% cause and effect.
If there really was an afterlife that rewards good and punishes bad as many religions claim, then being a good person would be nothing more than a cynical trade-off for post-mortem benefits.
There's nothing noble in living good life as a trade-off. The only value of living a good life is when you do the right thing even though you know that nobody would punish you for going the easy way and just being evil.
>>684920174 This is very good question. Why all of this exists? I mean, of course the human history could be different. I'm thinking about the very beginning. Why exists something? Whatever? And, in millions of years of creation and destruction, everything, today, leads to us talking about why we exists.
>>684921793 You are not thinking big picture enough, there was at some point a mechanism that set off life, at the very least its in the framework of the universe which also strives for balance and efficiency, why would it waste energy on that? Clearly there is some purpose to the self realization of matter, even if its simplistic. There just wouldn't have been energy spent on this if otherwise.
The afterlife is what you believe it to be, in my opinion at least.
We spend our entire lives wondering about what happens when we die. Some of us believe in heaven, some of us believe in reincarnation, some believe in absolutely nothing. No matter what you believe in, that belief becomes what you perceive death to be.
The only (semi)logical reasoning I have for this is that there are thousands of different people who've momentarily died and given descriptions of what it felt like.
>>684922731 I'd argue that thats more part 1 of the afterlife, the moment before true death when your brain really fully connects and takes a good proper look at itself, of course you would infer your after death expectation into it. True death is not a near death experience, coming from someone who had one.
>>684922219 This is going to turn into creationist vs. cosmic space particle debate isn't it? The answer is the same regardless of genesis, we are here because two people fucked. We die because a bodily system fails. The time in between is filled with choices we make and the results we get from those choices.
>>684923175 actually that is a great way to put it, since the brain makes sporadic connections in the same way during orgasm as well as a life flashing before you eyes type moment. Shit gets cool when you start screwing with the filters of your brain either chemically or naturally.
>>684907171 > The bottom line is if you believe nature has put this much energy into a consciousness and vehicle only to discard both as useless you can only be stupid. >More than that, it's a deep existential cynicism born out of trauma and negative, depressive life experiences and no actually rational thought.
>>684903533 Hey that's good. I go through life comforted by my absurd beliefs, and when I die, I won't be able to tell the difference. Save for the off chance that I'm right, in which I may likely be eternally rewarded for a lifetime of saying bedtime prayers and being nice to people. But like I said, if not... still doesn't matter. Not like it's gonna burn my ass, because in your beliefs, I won't have one to burn. :P
>>684923037 i wasn't looking for uplifting handouts mate
i was stating a fact
i accepted it a long time ago
the universe is one massive lottery
i was born with poor genetics, and that's ok i was born without inheritance, and that's ok i was born a white person into a world where the jews are pushing the nigger agenda, and that's ok i was born with massive depression, but i'm able to cope with it through alcholism, and that's ok
i accepted many years ago that i'll never amount to anything other than an alcoholic loser who said fuck everything and didn't give a fuck. and i'm ok with that
i really do pity the people in the same position as me who expect more from life.
>>684923053 There's a world of difference between real death and a near death experience, no doubt, but I personally feel like a short clinical death, like 9 minutes, is easily a long enough time to experience true death. That short split second before you actually die you'll no doubt be thinking about what the afterlife, or the state of complete nonexistence, will be like and as you die, your visual representation of death is essentially seared into your consciousness and somehow creates that reality in your mind, making it seem real.
As I type this i'm realizing how fucking ridiculous it sounds but you never know I guess.
>>684924759 Hear, fucking hear! Do your thing. Have fun. Live. Don't live to others expectations; do your own shit. I'm in the same boat. I'm thirty, unwed, working off debt, living for nothing but the weekend and the next bottle, but... Damned if it still isn't a good life.
Conan shrugged his shoulders. "I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."
Friendly reminder that reading these pseudo-philosophical modernist faux-salon egotistical dick measuring contests is a colossal waste of your time and does nothing but poison your mind with the self-assured positivistic ramblings of edgy college aged children regurgitating the mangled and half-digested remains of equally self-assured naturalistic positivism bullshit picked up from either the remains of digested ideology scavenged from other children, or from pop philosophers claiming a divine scientific truth about something they can fundamentally never understand.
Even you reading this is quite possibly the biggest waste of your time today, particularly because you'll refute it, boxing off my own vague ramblings into an equally limiting box of ideology that you can conveniently label as "Other" and never consider on a fundamental instinctual level. The actual noumenal truth of death is that it's nothing but the cessation of perception, not the cessation of existence. Being able to "experience" death is so irrelevant to the reality of the process that you'll never see the entire picture if you focus on such a microscopically unimportant aspect of it. Time as it applies to you is a conical rhizomatic multiplicity, and death is nothing but the termination of a single multiplicity among the entire rhizome. What lies after death is the entire rhizome, and the termination of a single multiplicity among multiplicities does nothing but expand your own "experience". Now stop reading this dumb ass post, stop reading these dumb ass threads, and go back to whatever distraction you were doing before. It'll all be over soon.
>>684926124 The entire first paragraph was a direct attack on agnostics. Shoving pure ideology down your split croaking throat is better than being a useless denialist cuck-to-existence, and if you're going to settle for that kind of life denying bad faith then you should promptly off yourself and find out the "truth", because killing yourself would be the singular life-affirming act you'd commit in your entire life.
Now read again, fuckboi. Or stop wasting your time and don't.
>>684925357 Well, imagine a situation where someplace exists that isn't real, but people ask questions. But not people like you and I know it. Almost prerecorded response from a net... or a hive. Or just a million different data points atuned to time.
>>684926426 No, your entire first paragraph was an attack on ATHEISM. Also, you ramble like a fuckwit. Telling me to kill myself, in any terms, is still a halfassed child's response, and your preemptive self-deprecation doesn't impress anyone or make your post seem any more intelligent.
>>684926167 Chaosmosis, Discours de metaphysique, A Thousand Plateaus, Duration and Simultaneity, The Jerusalem Bible, candy wrappers you found in the trash >>684926536 When it became a necessity to bridge the gap of alienation brought about by the spectacle with the decaying discourse of the night of the world. Also when you stop being a fucking cuck. >>684926538 Because I say so. >>684926628 If you don't understand the use of selective discourse you should go back to sucking NDT's veiny black cock, let his cum seep into your eye sockets, then try reading my post again.
>>684927093 >no your post says WHAT I THINK IT MEANS lel. How's it feel to be a slave to obscurantism, cakeboy? Also I'm not deprecating myself. I'm deprecating the discourse I'm using. I'm a God. >>684926678 Just pull up the wikipedia page for metaphysics and respond to me with every multisyllable word you see.
>>684903533 This scares the shit out of me honestly. I believe in God and Heaven and all that but I can't help but think what if I'm wrong and there's nothing? No more me, just black. And even if I'm reincarnated it's not me, none of my hobbies or likes. I just don't exist. Hell if I'm reincarnated I won't even know! I'll be a whole new person, no more baseball, no more wife, no more nothing. Shit gives me anxiety
>science explained energy can't be destroyed nor created, just changed - this applies to us and/or consciousness >science just proved that consciousness DOES exist after death >you said otherwise without informing yourself >mfw
>>684929790 Nigger you WHAT? Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. not some mystical pseudoscience bullshit, while yes energy is neither created nor destroyed, consciousness/rationality is not energy
>>684929612 My mind can't create that kind of reality as it's been conditioned the same way yours has....to accept what we perceive to be reality. Reality is far more complex than our three dimensional construct we inhabit
We have a limited sample of consciousness. We actually know very little about it. Just on our planet. There could be an infinite supply of different styled consciousnesses elsewhere. Perhaps on different planes of existences. not chemically/energy based.
>>684930561 >www.horizonresearch org/Uploads/Journal_Resuscitation__2_.pdf Step 1 is learn to interpretate scientific papers, the study you linked examines memories and trauma experienced during cardiac arrest, for the study to examine them they must have survived, had they experienced brain death (hereafter referred to as death) they would not have experiences to share. therefore I do not consider that proof of sustained life after death.
What I'm saying is that our mind, our consciousness stems from the complicated physical structures of our brain.(eg. there is no *consciousness* lobe of the brain. while energy is involved, it is a single component of a very complex system that results in you.
while the energy that makes up your brain does persist after your death, the particular formation and makeup that makes you you, does not persist.
(please note, this relies on us living in a purely material universe - which I have not found evidence to disprove)
>>684903533 You die? But you don't exist. ''You'', ''me'', ''I'' is fiction. It's a character created by our minds. I am John Doe, I am a very nice person. We all came from the big bang, we're all made from the same matter, we're the universe perceiving itself. We're an infinite empty field of awareness. What can be perceived is not you, what you think is not you. What you think is you, is not you. Remember that.
I believe in reincarnation as it was discussed by the ancient greeks. You can't take your knowledge into your new incarnation, either you're forced to forget or the brain is incapable of receiving it. You get plopped into the material universe and try to rack up the highest score by fucking as many little boys as you can.
Enlightenment is any experience of expanding our consciousness beyond its present limits. We could also say that perfect enlightenment is realizing that we have no limits at all, and that the entire universe is alive.
>>684903533 I was braindead for 3 minutes. I felt nothing. When I woke up and came to the realization of this new information. I tried to digest this as best as I could, being a child at the time I didn't feel terrified. I didn't feel comfort. I felt nothing. As a teen a assumed that life is a twisted game with no extra lives, only power-ups.
>>684932098 Yes, the body is. But you are giving your character (Your name) the attribute of control and action. Search for spiritual enlightenment if you want to escape your mental prison. Discover your infinite power.
>>684932323 Let me rephrase that. You are giving the body a story, a character. Your ego has made a web of stories that you attribute to that character. Don't identify with the voice in your head. The older you are, the harder this is for you to accept or try even as your model of reality is pretty set right now.
>>684903533 >There is nothing when you die. You blink out of existence. No afterlife, no awareness of oblivion. No awareness, period. Your body is a broken machine. You are no longer you. You're gone. Accept it. The billions before you? They had no choice. They no longer exist, either. >How does the ultimate truth make you live your now life, /b/? That or Rose Leslie was not available to do an afterlife scene between John Snow and Ygritte.
Then again, with all the flashbacks going on this season, an after life scene between the two would be fun with Ygritte finally willing to teach John something.
Then the Raise Dead spell is cast, John comes back and we get one more "You know nothing!" line out of her.
>>684932098 >I don't believe you. >I can't be fiction. I am here, typing this. To you. Now. The body is a container of the real us, the spirit, with past and future lives. It is like the ultimate video game. Die, play the game again with the karma points you earns or lost. You level up or level down next life.
>>684932685 >>684932707 Well, what I'm talking about isn't something that can be explained in a god damn 4chan thread. This required years and decades of commitment.
The buddha means the enlightened one if I'm not mistaking. It's what the buddha was after, it's what buddhist monks are after. Don't let me make you think it's a religion (and discourage you). It's not a religion, it's not a philosophy, it's not some story - it's something you can discover. Meditation and self-inquiry really helps towards this.
I haven't done anything with my life. I'm 21. I have already been through therapy and medication and I was happy with myself again but it's starting back up. Thinking about how my parents will die when I'm 30-40 makes me sad because then I'll really have nobody. I really don't want to die and every time I do something I just don't feel like doing it because I'm going to die anyway. I've heard it all before just live your life be happy and there's nothing you can do about it but it will still happen and I can't shake it off. Jobless, friendless, I just hate my life but I don't want to die either.
>>684903533 WAY TOO PHILOSOPHICAL WITH IT NIGGER. You die you decompose you return your nutrients to earth, your corpse will be eaten by worms bugs and bacteria. Beyond that I already knew this shit, so no change.
>>684932195 There are repeating themes with people who report to experience near death experiences (NREs). They may have been approaching death or have been dead for several minutes but occasionally theres a tunnel of light, big open area/meadow, stupid shit like that.
But the most convincing evidence for the after life are people like you. These people experience an interval of nothingness, emotionless darkness. In my opinion it would be like a dreamless sleep, you wake up instantly without even a foggy mishmash of nonsense. That's how a truly materialistic existence work, again, in my opinion. But there was a distinct lack of everything for a moment. That is important, for all the complexities and organization humans build, all life only lives in the moment. Time, like 5 minutes, is an abstraction on top of that, which is an agreed upon way of addressing time with other beings. So the fact a moment existed where there was nothing, like you characterize, is astounding because supposedly that is happening without brain activity.
What will bridge all these NREs, is that almost through a magical act you psyche yourself up into believing the most logical expectation will happen. So after you die, your soul (people hate this word), still lingering with the thoughts/desires/ego/personality of the previous life shapes your perception of the after life. Not to mention thinking about loved ones, your body, memories, recalling your life.
Both in the tunnel-trip straight to god and stuck in a void experience eventually dissolves as you begin to appreciate the change back to the incorporeal form. From my experience with university classes, /x/, and lurking the internet till 5AM for several years, this is my take on anecdotal evidence of the supernatural and shit I read. What lies beyond, what form reincarnation takes, and the activity possible for a soul would be complete speculation, more so than now.
>>684934574 Everyone experiences something when they die, what you experience is based on what you expected in your recent life. People have reported a void, flowing rivers of lava, or an angelic tunnel, all irrelevant since nobody reports true nonexistence.
>>684934094 Yea hah, I might've come off as cocky and a know-it-all. Again, I'm not enlightened and I'm still in the character the ego has created. No one can know what happens after death. From the people that have experienced death for a short while, some say they saw light (religious people) and some of the people I know say they just disappeared, there was nothingness and peace.
>>684903533 I don't fear death, but there is one unpleasant possibility that I think about sometimes. That on some spiritual level, you are aware of what's happening. That you're trapped inside your body and can feel everything on that spiritual level, and have to feel the whole process of cremation/being buried(and eaten by insects). Then once your body is reduced to nothing you can pass on to whatever else there is. There's no way to disprove it... Something fun to think about.
>>684903533 If this is the truth then I'd probably just an hero. If my existence will cease at some point then there wouldn't a difference between now and decades from now. And if people close to me got hurt committing an hero, they would cease to exist at some point so why care?
To be honest the only reason I haven't an heroed is the promise of an afterlife because I feel hollow inside and don't really want to live.
>>684907171 Nature isn't an entity. It'll do irrational shit if it wants, and waste is one of its calling cards. With the very universe wearing down from entropy, you don't think Nature will toss aside a little bit of altered carbon? Get real.
>>684935610 I won't pretend to understand your situation but sympathy is the last thing you need. If you aren't happy with where you are in life CHANGE IT. Simplify. Be decisive. Work towards a goal. Motivate yourself. Don't seek poisonous people's acceptance. Get up off the floor faggot
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