> "because we are omnivores" we are not, only herbivores can develop atherosclerosis > "eating meat is natural" rape is also natural, male ducks gangbang female ducks, that doesn't make it morally justifiable > "tell that to a lion" lions are OBLIGATE carnivores, they cannot survive on plants > "because I like the taste of meat" there's lots of plant alternatives and you'll learn to love them over time, that's not an excuse that justifies animals being killed for you > "muh b12" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 >pic related brownies I made
In my OPINION, vegan food generally tastes like shit. I've tried many different vegan options because I like exploring different foods, and GF bread is shit, tempeh is shit no matter what you soak it in, seitan is disgusting, and I'm sorry, but all vegan baked goods look amazing but taste 'off' and have a dry, grainy texture (not something you want in a cheese cake. Don't even fucking mention vegan cheese, THE WORST. You can't believe that it actually tastes good.
That being said, I like veggie burger patties, tofu, fruits/vegetables, real people food that doesn't pretend to be meat (like those soy curls or whatever) but have that chewy texture? GROSS.
Vegan cheese is fucking garbage who the hell actually enjoys eating that shit it's basically rubber and doesn't even taste half as good as the real stuff. Another thing is hamburgers are fucking delicious and if you don't agree there's something wrong with you, that point being back up by studies which show that a good chunk of vegetarians break and eat meat when drunk. This is coming from someone who eats lots of meat substitutes because unlike cheese substitutes those actually can be good in chili, tacos, spaghetti etc. Also
>only herbivores can develop atherosclerosis
Only humans can develop a taste in music right what the fuck does that matter if we share some illness with another thing when there's shittons of things that are seemingly unique but you don't go digging around to cherry pick some meaning out of that.
Not to mention that I've had experiences where I was on lsd and cooking fries in the oven and the sounds it was making was like english to me and they were screaming about roasting in the oven. So I kind of figure that every single thing has some form of soul attached to it and don't see much of a difference between eating plants over animals because the "consciousness" distinction has been totally lost in my mind from that and other experiences like it.
Don't judge me for eating meat and I won't judge you for trying to change society to suit your own personal ideal.
>>680110884 vegan recipes are hard to do man, I know that they can taste like shit, but even if 100% of vegan food tasted bad, it still isn't morally justifiable to murder animals for your taste. And yeah most vegans don't like fake meats, or vegan cheese and all that shit, just eat whole foods.
I need meat to keep my chest hair full. I need meat to be big and powerful so I have enough enery to do my job of cutting down trees, so I can win the bread and come home to my wife, chug beers Fuck her furiously while eating turkey legs and rubbing that healthy organic grease across my hairy chest. Let see you do that with some khale you dirty hippy faoggot.
>>680111947 >wow i eat so healthy so smart im better than anyone that don't eat like me if animal products have been scientifically proven to reduce risk for many of our chronic diseases (aka our top killers), and vegans are trying to get that information out, does that mean they're selfish hipster faggots that want to feel superior or do they want to help both animals and humans? I think you can answer that pretty easily.
>>680112154 Did YOU even read the results? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/ this is the only good evidence, the rest is just retarded articles that are written by people that think they're smart.
>>680111899 Yes I am, no I am not that stupid, sorry that you have had a different experience in life than I have but again I asked to not be judged and I wouldn't judge you. Even if you're running of a ridiculously naive conception of consciousness and spirituality mixed with the moral superiority complex bigger than the lies you tell yourself to feel it.
>>680112507 I guess I'll just slit the throats of your family members because one time I got high off of lsd and I killed a lady on the street, she didn't make any noises so I guess it's okay to kill your family members because they won't make any noises, don't judge me though and I won't judge you! See how your argument makes no sense and when applied to humans makes even less sense?
Human brains require to much energy to live off of vegetation alone. We became omnivores when we needed ways to feed larger packs with less work. One pig can feed a tribe for a few days and everyone's healthy. It would take way to much vegetation to feed a large tribe to be practical before the integration of common agriculture. Human babies and young ones that don't get the required energy and proteins only found in meat tend to grow up with malnourished defects and don't end up producing as much offspring. This is a very natural evolutionary path for Humans to go through. We would NEVER be at the point we are (evolutionary) today if we didn't start eating meat. If you look at our closest relatives, Chimps, they are omnivores also. While their diet is mostly fruit and veggies, they also eat their fair share of bugs and smaller mammals, even sometimes going cannibalistic to satisfy their requirement for the required proteins only found in meat. Saying Humans are herbivores is an uneducated and brainwashed statement. Also, the fact that we are intelligent enough to imagine how the animals we eat might not like it doesn't mean we should stop, it's a food chain. We are SUPPOSED to eat animals and those animals are SUPPOSED to not like it so they reproduce MORE of themselves so we an keep eating them. It's natural order and trying to say it isn't moral is extremely foreign and deluded.
>>680109928 I'll bite the bait. No. Veganism is fucking retarded. Our bodies cannot actually digest plants such as grass because of the cellulose. >You won't get cancer Oh yeah? Well you're still a faggot. Fuck this, aborting this board.
>>680113384 As much as I respect you for hunting your own meat and not buying it from the supermarket, take into account that you have absolutely no need for meat in your diet, plus it has negative effects. Along with that the animal can feel pain and it is sentient, so it is morally wrong to kill them, especially since their flesh has no purpose for you, except for taste (I'm not gonna lie, meat does taste great, but after realizing that I don't need it and that the animals suffer for it, I stopped eating it)
>>680112975 Except humans make noises and movement, you're forgetting that I have already stated that I eat meat substitutes, meaning I try to reduce the amount of meat it eat. I guess that's not enough for you, also I dare you to try and kill my family and I will be feasting upon your corpse in no time. Stupid doubter of the world you come into a shitfest of pain and suffering and think that anything you will do will change that. Weakling that you are grasping onto a false sense of morality thinking that plants do not have any senses which would change your mind about how it's okay to eat them over other things. Piece of shit that places their values onto a world such as this as if there's any true way for it to not be a world of hurt. My paper bag I have in my room has a face and identity tied to it, what do your moral judgement say about crumpling it up?
Why the FUCK would you not eat meat instead of vegetation in the wild where food is limited. One steak is like 400 times the amount of calories and energy an apple and some veggies are. Much more valuable and worth it.
>>680113794 Human beings one hundred percent do require meat in our diets. How much of your time does your lifestyle take up? How long does it take to make decent taking vegan food? It takes fucking forever. If Humans could truely survive without eating meat, we wouldn't need multivitamins, protein powders, added nutrients, or more artificial sweeteners to get shitty plants to taste good or give us everything we need. You're so caught up in saving the animals and staying healthy that your forgetting that you are wasting time in your life. Why live to 100 if you've only had as much fun as a 50 year old because you spent half of your fucking life trying to eat
>>680114181 Except dairy increases risk of osteoporosis, bone fracture, prostate cancer etc. and the calcium? you absorb about 30% of it compared to the 60% of it in green vegetables. Eggs increase risk of stroke, eating one egg a day is like smoking 5 cigarettes after 15 years etc. There is no medical term for protein deficiency, you can get all your proteins from plants without even trying, the only way you can not get in enough protein on ANY diet is if you're anorexic.
I'm on the fence, i love delicious meat but i hate the wholesale bad treatment of animals to get that meat. I guess my hunger for tasty meat is too strong for my moral desire for stopping abuse of animals. i hope i wont be like that forever.
Your LSD story is whack though, the LSD made your hear voices coming from the potatoes, thats just the kinda shit LSD does. It also made some dude kill his mother and father because he could read their minds and found out they were insectoids plotting to kill him and consume his body for special powers. Don't be an idiot.
>>680114379 I don't eat honey because it is bad for your teeth, I sometimes do though because it tastes awesome. I don't wear leather or fur or silk or wool. I've been a vegan for about a year and a half.
>>680114567 >Eggs increase risk of stroke, eating one egg a day is like smoking 5 cigarettes after 15 years etc. Where exactly are you sourcing this? >you can get all your proteins from plants without even trying Except the first and foremost worry for vegans is getting protein inside you, the rice and beans whole protein formula is everything they harp on about.
I'd love to write a huge dissection of your argument but I'll just say Fuck you and your "morals" They hold no sway over me. Meat is murder. Hot, tasty, greasy murder and I'm fine with that. Anyone got a recipe for grass fed hippy?
>>680111670 Saying it isn't morally justifiable for humans to kill animals for food is like saying it isn't morally justifiable for bears to kill for food. It's nature. While I don't agree with a lot of the methods we use to kill animals, it's still nature. Get over it.
>>680115378 what? do you think they dont feel pain, do you think they dont live in a society? Did you not see BEE MOVIE! fuck sake man vegans dont eat honey calling OP a fucking child thats just discovered veganism OP wont last sex months!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22891897 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989358/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25846122 even "organic" milk increases risk of prostate cancer http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21930800 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182 and more and more studies. Doctors like Neal Barnard, Michael Greger, Clin Campbell also agree, are you smarter than physicians and doctors anon?
I just find it funny how people who are vegan feel the need to let everyone know they are vegan. No one cares. You don't see me telling everyone I'm an omnivore. I guess you need approval from everyone else to make your decision to be vegan valid.
>>680116052 My health? We both going to die at the end of the day. Being vegan doesn't make you immortal. Saving animals? Why not save plants? If those animals could eat us believe they will. Try hugging a wild lion. It don't give a Damn about you.
>>680116052 The only valid point is the environment. >the animals I never understood this. Farmyard animals are literally fucking useless aside from providing meat and dairy produce. >my health That's where vegans get fucking irritating. Stop trying to convince me to join your lifestyle and leave me alone. If I get cancer, so what? It's none of your business what I eat.
1. I enjoy meat. 2. I enjoy rape, and have a rape fetish. 3. I eat what I want. 4. I do like the taste of meat, I like the way it smells when I cook it. 5. Life choices, not eating veggies and fruits all day is one of mine.
Make yourself happy. If a vegan diet pleases you, enjoy. However, death is natural. All life is sustained by death. Plants consume nutrients from soil, which, newsflash, is enriched by dead life forms, which in turn are being processed by microorganisms that consume and further process said remains. To refer to predation as murder, suggests, as was stated, that there is a moral wrong being committed by the predator. Which leads to the implication that it is wrong to kill animals for sustenance, but acceptable to kill plants (which are nourished by decaying plants and amimals)for the same purpose. Thus making it acceptable for plants to exist as scavengers, but denying animals that same liberty. All of that stems from a personal system of morals, artificially established to better enhance human survival and cooperation as primate troops that became adopted and codified as troop behavior adapted to multi-troop cooperation, creating clans, tribes, nations and civilizations. These morals applied are not a bad thing and contributed to granting humans an apex status, which allowed us to, on the whole, no longer fear being regularly on the prey side of predatory behavior. But being vicious predators got us here, and allowed us the luxury of extending our artificial protected status to other species should we so choose. Those morals, however, are still a construct of human imagination, and have no bearing on Life as manifested in Nature. So, by all means, pursue the diet that pleases you, vegan,vegetarian, halal, kosher, macrobiotic, omnivorous, or carnivore, but do not expect others to conform to the rules of your particular game just because you think that death is bad, or one organism deserves preferential treatment over another. It is just a backdoor imposition of your personal religion, and as far as I can see, God(s) have no problem with letting all living things die eventually.
>>680116907 Individual IQ doesn't: we can evolve as a species overtime to have superior cognitive abilities, but as of right now, an individual using their cognition to decide whether or not to eat meat is not related to evolution. The anon's comment about how we've evolved to eat meat, yet people are stupid for doing so just rubbed me the wrong way.
>>680109928 I can That is it Humans are the apex predator That means we can eat whatever the fuck we want I can go eat a dog or a cat or chimp if I really wanted to But those animals have proved to be useful other than literally just being eatin A turkey will never by any means hold a valued place within society beside me pulling its fucking wishbone out
I had a vegan camp councillor who ate real bacon. And someone is probably going to say "well then she's not a real vegan" and your probably right but just saying. One of your reasons to not eat meat is clearly trumped by the power that is bacon. Nothing tastes like it. Nothing ever will. There is the one eternal truth. And that is bacon is god like.
>>680111670 It is also not morally justifiable to wear clothes made in Chinese and Bangladesh sweatshops where the workers get paid $1 in the month just for you to wear the newest and cheapest fashion to show off to your friends.
It is also not morally justifiable to buy vegetables where the farmer only make a fraction of the sales, where the Taiwanese factory worker gets a fraction and now paid sick leave from the sale of your computer, where the accountant in your bank have to work overtime to finish the fillings just for you to get a 1% compound annual interest etc etc. Not a lot in this world is morally justifiable, and you still do it. SHAME ON YOU.
And vegan food tastes like shit. The only good substitute is tofu.
>>680118169 I'm happy to see that man, here check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I Dairy products are literally physically addictive, so I get why it's so hard to make that switch too.
>>680109928 >Why have you not gone vegan yet /b/? I'm gonna be straight up honest, I don't like the taste of meat.. Milk tastes fuckin gross'. I think eggs taste tolerable, but I can do with out them. Anything and everything I need to get rid of to be vegan, I have no attachment to. I'm not in support of the practices that go on behind the scenes, either. Buuuuut~ there are two reason why I don't go vegan.
The first is because I'm a broke motherfucker and cheap-ass food usually has animal products it in it. Beggars don't get to be choosers, regardless of morals, and fuck you for trying to make myself, and anyone else in that situation feel bad.
On that note, the second reason is because of people like you. I don't want to be associated with PETA, they're fucking scum, and I don't want to be associated with pretentious narcissist fucks who act like their diet is superior, you know what I'm saying? Like, I've been in situations before where I've been minding my own business and a vegan has somehow found their way into my vicinity while I'm eating, insisting that I'm sort of criminal or murderer. Like nah, I ain't responsible for this, I'm just trying to eat my goddamn sandwich, dude. I don't want to ever, EVER be associated with people like that.
because I know if you were locked in a room for days on end and all there was in the room was water and meat, you'd fucking hoof that meat down your throat simply on survival instinct, don't try to say "ooh no I'm above that I'd just rather die" no you wouldn't you little faggot, you would fucking shove the meat in your mouth
>>680109928 The human species as a whole can't be labeled as either omnivorous, carnivorous or herbivorous, our species has developed so far it becomes complicated when you decide with such a property over the entire human species. It's better to do it in groups or perhaps per individual.
>>680118932 you make a very good two points, I'm with you on the first one, family is poor and we can only afford cheap cheap foods that will shorten my life span by like 8 years but hey I'm alive now right
>>680118976 Hey, if I lock you in a closet for days on end with nothing but water and myself, I'd bet you'd fucking shove my meat in your mouth. I'd bet you'd hoof my meat down your throat, you little faggot.
>>680118932 Well you don't have to be associated with those kinds of people. You don't see me supporting faggot ass PETA, who euthanize 95% of their animals, and not a lot of vegans are hipster asses that preach their lifestyle so they're cooler and superior than everyone else. Also vegan is the cheapest way to go, rice, beans, lentils, chickpeas, potatoes, pasta, some fruits, they're all dirt cheap man, try to calculate it yourself. I respect your way of thinking, but I still think you hold a prejudice about veganism, you could just say you're plant based or something, if it really bothers you that people can (maybe) associate you with hipster fags or peta.
> "because we are omnivores" we are not, only herbivores can develop atherosclerosis > "eating meat is natural" rape is also natural, male ducks gangbang female ducks, that doesn't make it morally justifiable > "tell that to a lion" lions are OBLIGATE carnivores, they cannot survive on plants > "because I like the taste of meat" there's lots of plant alternatives and you'll learn to love them over time, that's not an excuse that justifies animals being killed for you > "muh b12" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 >"because your entire cult trying to force veganism down peoples throats unironically is literally a meme and i'm too old to put up with this bullshit that will be reminisced alongside vaporwave & tumblr in 5 years time the same way we look at goth & myspace today." that's a really valid argument that is irrefutable because it is true that vegan numbers have tripled in the last three years and the definition of a meme is "an element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means", i can't believe how silly i have been the last three months the zinc deficiency must have gotten to me i'll now leave people alone now ok bye
>>680118976 that is a hypothetical situation, unless you are in a situation like that then you're being a hypocrite. and besides, vegans would ofc kill an animal if their life was in danger, we just try to do minimal damage to them.
>>680119276 no I'd probably kill you then eat you, good to know you love thinking about me eating your dick though you fucking faggot, jesus do you love sucking dick so fucking much that you imagine people over 4chan of all fucking people sucking on your little fucking dick. Fuck you're an idiot
>>680109928 Those brownies look drier than a whore when they hear the word 'vegan' you dense cunt. Enjoy your overpriced food for less nutritional value. >professional chef You have to eat so much more beans and vitamin supplements to even come close to the nutritional value of meat. Eat a steak for that amazing iron content and stop being an anemic retard. >muh spinach That was a misplaced decimal point. Read up on nutritional values. >animals being killed for you Have you seen what happens to overpopulated stock? They wither and suffer more. Better to put them out of their misery and put their otherwise useless neat to good use. >only herbivores Anything that eats plants you backwards degenerate. You are also missing out on essential fats. I bet you put your pets on a vegan diet and complain when they die in 2 months. Do yourself a favour and eat that steak.
this thread shows how retarded vegans are, trust me any hungry omnivore animal would not have a second thought about eating you so why should we? inb4 we're higher than that you fucking moral faggot look where you are on the internet
>>680121509 did not know there was a term for this it just seems to me like the perfect balance between taking the righteous path and inconveniencing yourself maybe your solution is a better one but i lean towards the lazier side of things
Hello. I am a new poster in this thread and I wanted to respond. I found your posts to be smug and I don't think you are aware of how smug you are. You are a minority attempting to glorify a diet that is nothing more than a first world luxury. This is why people don't care. If you are a vegan, others don't care until you find the need to make everyone know how special your diet is and how moral you are. The rest of us don't care and we don't have any reason to care. People don't think like you and you should respect that. You can live by your own set of morals without forcing them on other people. You might as well start every conversation with, "I want to talk to you about Jesus."
>>680109928 I hate vegans , they sit in their city apartments and think they save the world by eating plants. What they fail to realize is that in the fields where these plants come from thousands of animals like insects, mice, rabbits, birds die every day because they endanger the harvest.
>>680109928 you ignorant retard the fact that only herbivores can or can not develop atherosclerosis "does not" change the fact that we are omnivores. as do other primates. as omnivores we are supposed to eat meat. it is natural. you can't compare it rape. you are just plain stupid.
OP you don't belong here People like you should give up trying to radicalize us into vegan terrorists, and make us march the streets and annoy the shit out of people claiming that "meat is murder" and that animals are "just like us." Please leave 4chan and never return. http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1459297522255.webm
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