>>680003633 >rape is worse than murder as the victim has to live for the rest of their life with the pain and the suffering but with murder the victim has to live the rest of their life dead >checkmate
>>680004105 it's just a dick in your pussy for a little while. This is the hardest thing women have to put up with all day because women are so privileged so they don't know any better. relatively speaking it's horrible to them because they rarely experience any hard ships in life. Such as war, working a hard job and providing for yourself, learning a valuable yet difficult skill. Sure there are a very minute amount of exceptions but nobody is surprised when these minute exceptions end up being rational and unbiased because they have had to deal with some of the same hardships most men do. They are ignorant. I can't say I blame them for thinking this way. A few desperate men who had'nt fucked their wives in a little while made the mistake of approving legislation to let their wives and other women vote in the hopes of getting some pussy that night. From that moment it was all down hill.
>>680004251 Guess what. Bad stuff happens all around the world. Rape being a life and generational altering issue is a first world entitled woman's problem.
If you had to legitimately worry every fucking day whether or not your children would live or die, you would welcome rape if it would guarantee them life.
Stop being a stuck up cunt. The world does not revolve around you and your petty issue. There are far larger problems in this world, and they don't begin with rape. If you were raped, get the fuck over yourself already. Move on you weak minded dumb fuck.
>>680006558 raped once, curl up in a corner for a few months before finally becoming empowered to speak about shit.
domestic violence, get beaten every day, hide in the closet, get dragged out kicking and screaming to yet another beating because "i'm only doing it because I love you, you're making me do this" all the time escalating further and further until finally you're beaten to death. yeah, rape is so much worse than domestic violence.
also, not a femanon, nor a feminist of any sorts, just a logical person. (same one as strap on suggestion)
>>680006885 Are we talking about kids specifically here? Because kids who get molested are usually way more fucked up than kids who just got beaten. And if we're talking about wives, then they're choosing to stay with the dude so in that case it's their fault
>>680006730 Nah forcibly penetrating someone is fucked up in any way you look at it, there's a level of personal violation that isn't as present in just getting hit. Not saying that isn't also fucked up, but logically rape seems worse. And keep in mind I'm talking about legitimate forced rape, not what Tumblr considers to be rape. That SJW shit pisses me off as much as anybody
>>680007233 you do have a fair point about the kids, but i'm more talking about the wives in my point. also sometimes that choices is not of sound mind, ever heard of stockholm syndrome? it applies to more than just kidnapping victims. The kids on the other hand, yeah, very impressionable, and either form of abuse is gonna fuck em up, but honestly I don't think one is worse than the other in this case, as horrible as it sounds. In my circle of friends, I know of 2 that were molested, and i believe at least 2 more were beaten (if I don't count myself) and we're all equally fucked up.
>>680008014 here we go, pulled it from wikipedia, pretty much sums it up in a nutshell
Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other." One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be perceived as a threat.
>>680008014 >stockholm sydrome That seriously sounds like an argument a feminist would make to excuse their own behavior. Like how it's still the man's fault when they get drunk and get super slutty. Unless she's being physically held captive, she can leave and stop the abuse at any time. Complaining it was super traumatizing but that she couldn't leave because she was "emotionally enslaved" is a crock of bullshit, IMO.
And in the part with the kids, I'd have to partly agree with you. It all depends on the severity of what's happening. My step dad got pissed on some occasions and would grab me by the neck and sort of manhandle me, but he never actually punched me with all his strength or any shit like that. In that case, even getting molested once would have been way worse. Now if you got molested a few times only, that would likely be less damaging than having your alcoholic dad come every day and beat the living shit out of you until both your eyes were swollen shut. But I'd still maintain that on average, molestation is worse. Sexual crimes against kids are the lowest of the low in my book
>>680008764 no, see, that's a little different. but if her false accusation results in a conviction and subsequent incarceration of the accused, only to be later proven a liar and the guy was innocent, you could toss her into an unsupervised room with him, and allow him to rape her. Thanks to double jeopardy laws, he can't be accused twice for the same crime.
>>680008982 This is so that they don't get people who are signing up to spy/whistleblow on the NSA, they get legit analysts who are looking to make money. They use cover up companies as an identity and then tell you its the NSA/FBI until after you get the job
>>680009155 Well the point is you can't really, unless you are a proffesional in your field and happen to come up onto a job. Usually they use some boring bullshit story like an IT company etc. that you wouldn't ask too many questions about
>>680003633 rape is not worse than murder as it is non-consenting sex which can be extremely traumatic, most people would rather be raped than murdered because murder is the thievery of a persons entire life which is by far the worst crime imaginable. My father was murdered in a mugging when I has 12 so I can attest to the severity of the crime. inb4 Bruce Wayne
>>680009296 So they pick you out when you work for another company? Or do they create front companies that you get hired into and then it turns into a real analyst job? I literally just want a guidebook to tell me what to do so I can make it happen...
>>680009323 But how often can you prove that it was false or even true? That is the evasive nature of the crime, it often chalks up to one persons word against another. Still, attributing the death penalty to anything but the worst of crimes (multiple homicides, genocide, etc.) is a medieval retributive form of punishment. Sentencing death too often would regress humanity back to times like the french revolution where anyone would be guillotined for not being enthusiastic enough about the revolution. >Tl;dr the death penalty is a very slippery slope and I am more inclined to endorsing utilitarian forms of punishment instead which are more humane.
Majority of women have intense orgasms from rape. I don't have time right now but there's some statistics and websites/forums out there filled with chicks who came super hard when they got raped. They like it but they think they're not suppose to Rape was a naturally occurring thing before Western society was created. If you were a knight and u wanted pussy you'd just go grab it.
>>680009973 Well we know from Snowden that UK and USA share info. idk about joining the UK firm. You would have to look at the eligibility info on their website. It was a big thing on British news when the intelligence services opened their recruitment pools to the public.
>>680009089 >Do you say that in real life? >No, SJWs would try to get me fired >/b/ does that too >I don't share my personal info with /b/ for the same kind of reason >Who said anything about doing that?
>>680010151 That is only idealistic thinking as this system is usually not practical. However if this does eventually become a foolproof and empirical method of resolving rape accusations then I would endorse it however, my stance on the death penalty still stands
>>680011042 You will happily fight against people who are trying to stop the government from becoming a tyrannical 1984 entity? Then you are a part of the problem >inb4 stops terrorism Bullshit, the NSA mass surveillance hasn't done shit for anybody except violate people's privacy and burn billions of tax dollars
>>680011059 Shit tier analogy. One is physiological response, the other is an emotional response, they involve completely different parts of the brain. Thinking a steak is delicious is not a physiological response, it's a psychological one
>>680003633 It's funny how all of the sudden rape is the worst crime ever because a bunch of uppity cunts won't stop screaming at everyone until they get their way. It must not be too serious of a crime considering how often some bitch cries rape because she was rejected. All feminism is is a bunch of spoiled sluts who were never told no when they were children and have a large feeling of entitlement to everything.
It might make sense that chan users are on a different list because of the information that we have had access to over the years. I wonder how much they were watching all of us years ago when it was starting up.
>>680010844 You realize that's not possible right? Try jacking off while not thinking about sexy shit Sex and foreplay take a considerable amount of mental build up. I have to be turned on to ejaculate You're wrong
>>680008991 i dunno, there's situations where being held captive isn't even a thing. my wife's stepfather is an abusive asshole (both physically and emotionally), but her mom is still stuck with him because she has no skills, no job, and 5 kids with him. He has a high paying job at Juniper and if she left him for his shit, he'd get the kids because he can afford to keep em, and can afford the lawyers needed to get em. She'd be left with absolutely nothing, nowhere to go, and no kids. She doesn't even have any family that could take her in and help her. The woman has no safety net, so even though he doesn't keep her physically bound, she's still stuck.
>>680011819 That or Tor. I'm okay with them watching places like this because of the pedos and weirdos who shoot up public places. But I doubt my mom, aunt or uncles (moderate white Christians) need to be spied on. That's just dumb
I occasionally use tumblr >inb4 kys tumblr scum And I see this opinion paraded there almost exclusively as opposed to murder being worse. Taking Sex from an unwilling person is without a doubt a horrific and traumatic crime however, taking someones life away is entirely more severe. You are taking them away from their families forever. You are also taking their right to life away which, in my opinion, is the most severe crime one can commit (with the exceptions of mass murders/serial killings or severe torture). As someone who has had their father murdered, I know first hand, the massive psychological toll this crime can take on the family members of murder victims. The relentless anger towards the murderer which stays with you forever. Fantasizing day in, day out about what you would do if you could be in the same room as that scum. I have been through years of therapy to cope with it and I still haven't recovered. Of course, I would be eager to hear some arguments from the opposing side on why rape is more severe so I can better understand why the op would have this stance.
>No I do not have experience with rape so if this seems like I do not understand the traumas of the crime first hand like I do murder, then that may be the case.
You do understand that it has to be blanket surveillance... they use machine learning algorithms to profile people and the anyone that gets flagged gets reviewed by humans. It is the most efficient way.
>>680012180 >Step 1: Leave home >Step 2: Contact police with evidence of mistreatment >Step 3: Sue stepdad for all the money he has and continual child support Excuses are excuses. And leaving your kids in the same home as an abusive asshole is even worse, so fuck her
>>680011345 Yeah, I've seen bitches get their money back after drinking 99% of a Starbucks and say they did not enjoy it.
>>680011656 You got that backwards, enjoyment is the psychological response, taste would be the physical response. Also, Emotional and Physiological are the same fucking thing, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you meant to compare an objective observation to a subjective observation.
>>680012180 That's not Stockholm Syndrome. That women sounds like a fucking moron though. It's her fault she married him. It's her fault she has no skills. It's her fault she had five kids with him. It's her fault she won't leave him.
>>680012575 >emotional and physiological are the same fucking thing Go tell that to a neurobiologist or psychiatrist buddy. Oh yeah, I forgot how we have that one neurotransmitter for jealousy, and that one neurotransmitter for nostalgia, and that other one for complacence!
>>680012599 My intention was not to condemn religious or political affiliations with these opinions however, the matter still stands that I believe that murder is worse than rape just like I believe bloody killings are worse than suicide. >This is not to undermine the validity of any of those horrific occurrences, only to dispute the opinion of the op who I do not personally agree with.
>>680012471 umm, again, no fucking money, how is she gonna afford a lawyer? also the cops and cps have both been called on him before, numerous times, he always talks his way out of it, to the point they've gotten tired of hearing about it and don't even show up anymore.
>>680012721 actually I do, they'd do 1 of 2 things... either he'd keep the kids because he's the financially responsible parent, with a job that provides full insurance coverage for the kids. or they'd make the kids a ward of the state because she can't afford them.
>>680012622 look it up, there's cases of it that don't involve physical bondage keeping the person there, and many cases of it dealing with wives and children. he's manipulated her into thinking that's what love is, that's the textbook definition of the syndrome.
i would argue that any man who thinks the "friend zone" is real is guilty of this as well. girl doesn't like you, take the hint and leave. go find someone else. BUT MUH FEELINGS! guys will be puppies for girls long after the girl has emotionally abused them. you don't have to be a feminist to know this.
you're pathetic if you think you know more about abuse than someone who has been abused
>>680013715 I personally would advise to avoid petty name calling as it reduces the validity of the argument but this is 4chan so that is probably unlikely >Still you do have a point that I haven't heard any reasonable rebuttals from op yet
>>680003633 I completely disagree, I am a male who was raped by a female I woke up from sleep in the middle of the act, and pushed her off me, The same woman within 24 hours of the act called the police on me and i was arrested, the only reason i am not sitting in prision is because of her story changing multiple times, I contribute both the act itself and the false accusation to be things that have ruined my mental well being to the point that i am no longer able to work. My rapist got no time in prision because of the way the law is set up in my state i could not accuse of her the same crime, ultimately it is a horrible crime, but a life sentence or even a death sentence is not the answer
>>680003633 Death Penalty? A raped woman can still get the good life after the disaster. even when the chance's 1%. A dead person can't have a good life after the execution, because he's dead and because of the reason he is also unable to learn anything out of his fucking bad.
The worst crime in life isn't rape - it's murder, because you're ending a life on a mental and physical base.
>>680013460 Something tells me part of your story is full of shit then, and I'm not buying it. If he was really THAT abusive then there would be evidence. Sounds like she's just whiny that he doesn't spend time with them or something like that
>>680014268 op please refute these winning arguments with your autistic point of view >>680014149 >>680012324 >>680010072 >your endorsement of the death penalty is a frankly archaic and barbaric standard to want to set for the current law system >these posts are providing good arguments as to why murder is worse
There is definitely a possibility that I will be killed in my attempt to get Reagan. It is for this very reason that I am writing you this letter now.
As you well know by now I love you very much. Over the past seven months I've left you dozens of poems, letters and love messages in the faint hope that you could develop an interest in me. Although we talked on the phone a couple of times I never had the nerve to simply approach you and introduce myself. Besides my shyness, I honestly did not wish to bother you with my constant presence. I know the many messages left at your door and in your mailbox were a nuisance, but I felt that it was the most painless way for me to express my love for you.
I feel very good about the fact that you at least know my name and how I feel about you. And by hanging around your dormitory, I've come to realize that I'm the topic of more than a little conversation, however full of ridicule it may be. At least you know that I'll always love you. Jodie, I would abandon the idea of getting Reagan in a second if I could only win your heart and live out the rest of my life with you, whether it be in total obscurity or whatever.
I will admit to you that the reason I'm going ahead with this attempt now is because I cannot wait any longer to impress you. I've got to do something now to make you understand, in no uncertain terms, that I'm doing all of this for your sake! By sacrificing my freedom and possibly my life, I hope to change your mind about me. This letter is being written only an hour before I leave for the Hilton Hotel. Jodie, I'm asking you to please look into your heart and at least give the chance, with this historical deed, to gain your love and respect.
>>680014491 it's not his family that's called them on him, it's outsiders. but with the whole stockholm syndrome shit, one, she'd never let them look at her to see if there were bruises, and 2, this guy's good, he does shit in such a way that it doesn't actually leave marks, but hurts like fuck anyway.
>>680013804 Okay, so you presented another example of somebody being a pussy, but applying external blame instead of admitting they're just a pussy. How is that an argument exactly? I never denied that people were pussies
Do you even know how the people at the death row are suffering? That's psycho torture. You're sitting every day alone in your cage and wait for a guy to tell you f you'll die tomorrow or not. You wont die once - you will die EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY BECAUSE OF THE FEAR.
Will the death penalty help the victims? no - The murder's death won't cure their inner wounds or make the rape unhappened.
Will it keep another potential rapist from doing it? No! While france executed burglars at public spots, the other pollocks stole the pocket money from the watching and bursting audience.
You wanna know what will help? Prostitution! Stats has shown, that countries with legalized prostitution has a lower rate of rape.
>>680015168 tbh its a lot like what guys tell girls to do. > Why didn't you have a friend with you? > Why were you alone at night, that was retarded? > You were drunk and suggestive duh? > Don't dress like a slut last one would be a stretch to justify but yeah
if you want to prove these people wrong i'd suggest undergoing your own systematic abuse from somebody who has manipulated you for years into believing everything they say and distrusting everything you think.
go do that. then get out of it. and then i'll listen to you talk about how easy it is.
god damn. how can you possibly think you're an expert on something you've never experienced? you're like people who say the moon landing was faked, but give no feasible proof other than flimsy "but the wind on the moon" arguments, as though they've been there to check for themselves. you just like the sound of your own voice and the look of your own words.
Once upon a time there was this high school teacher, let's call him Mr. John. Mr John had taught for many, many years and had earned the respect of students, parents and other teachers.
Mr. John had a student, let's call her Murdering Mary. One day after an average school day Murdering Mary tells a teacher that Mr. John raped her. A serious allegation which was met with swift actions.
Mr. John was fired, police were actively investigating him, local news kept talking about his perverted ways and his wife left him and took their daughter with her. At the end of that week Mr. John took his own life.
Crying and screaming Murdering Mary was in shock and later made a confession. She stated that Mr.John did not rape her, she only said that to try and barter for a better mark on her recent test.
This girl, Murdering Mary; Lied about being raped. Had him charged. Fired. And ended his marriage. She was responsible for him taking his own life.
This is why. THIS IS WHY! When a woman claims to have been raped the law will not take it as a fact and instead must rely on evidence.
>>680004105 I think it's the society we live in. We have very strict terms of privacy on terms of clothing. We are a private culture. In Africa it's not a big deal except in South Africa which is arguably the most advanced of the African countries and predominantly white. It bothers women in this country because they feel more violated than someone in and African country or any other 3rd world civilization. The culture depicts the people and the people reflect the culture.
>>680016082 Once again you have been asked specific questions and have been unable to provide a legitimate response, and therefore have resorted to name-calling and telling me I'm not allowed to ask logical questions unless I've also been abused. Don't bother responding if you can't actually back up anything you say
>>680016082 >I'd suggest undergoing your own systematic abuse from somebody who has manipulated you for years into believing everything they say and distrusting everything you think.
You mean like feminists do to everyone?
I was raped. I'm not a 'rape survivor', I'm a person. I learned to cope. Being nearly killed in another incident, I can say that they both fucking suck, and comparing the two is comparing apples to cows. I gopt over it.
People who don't get over it are people who are trained to affirm they're weak, helpless, and incapable of learning from the shit that happens to them. By people like feminists and the idiots who actually believe the bullshit they spew everywhere.
You learn to live or you die crying. Anyone who says 'rape survivors are strong' is ignorant. Rape survivors are people. Fuck you and your condescension.
That hot girl just accused me of rape! >What? No I didn't. Don't believed her, guys, she's a false rape accuser. Anyway let's all rape her now. It is a fair and just punishment. What??! Agreed. Yes, to falsely accuse rape demands a rape punishment. >But I never- I call dibs on fucking her up the ass!
i'm not talking about a rape. i'm talking about people who end up in relationships that are good long enough for one party to invest in manipulating the other, to the point where the other person feels incapable of leaving due to any number of circumstances.
sorry about what happened to you, but it's just not what i'm talking about.
>>680016386 Since the accused will be forever viewed as a rapist and never be able to find work again, the false accuser should be sued for damages of income till retirement, defamation, any medical bills medication or therapy. After paying him hundreds of thousands or perhaps higher it would help scare off would be false accusers.
>>680016877 I can tell by your inability to use the shift key that I've had a separate conversation with you in this thread, in which your were exhibiting the same level of ineptitude, resulting in your own inability to come up with anything else by another ad hominem. And now I see that after losing that argument you decided to jump in somebody else's and employ the same tactic as if it was going to be more effective the second time around. If you don't want to admit responsibility for the fact that you or whoever you know is a pussy, then I can't stop you, but telling me I don't know what it's like to be a pussy doesn't make you any less of one.
>>680017071 >kek didn't know this was a rekt thread >>680016386 autistic fagoos trying shock factor and edgy posts are getting raped metaphorically (for now) >if you have a retarded opinion the penalty should be castration via nut cracker
>>680003633 Was raped when I was 15 by an older man. Didn't like it back then but I got over it pretty quickly, doesn't even bother me now, any rape victim that act "traumatized" for years after is either just a fucking bitch or trying to get sympathy off other people, If I had to choose again I'd prefer to be raped over being murdered.
Also I'm completely straight and had gotten over it completely about 2 years later.
>>680009276 I was different. Guy who apparently hated me turned out to be gay for me and hated that I was the one causing his gay feelings. I found out he was gay for me when he raped me after school. >MFW After being raped I figured out I liked being banged by dudes. >MFW I liked being raped
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