>>679899724 I thought that retarded people weren't allowed to vote:
>If a court finds that a person is Page 10 STATE State Constitution/ Electoral Statutes: Persons Disqualified Guardianship/ Conservatorship Statutes Mental Health Statutes Developmental Disabilities/ Mental Retardation Statutes Anyone disqualified under the Constitution may not vote.
harldy matters in the primary trump wont get enough delegates on the first vote at the convention and will be push aside by some one else in the second vote. trump wont even make it to the general election but it will be fun to watch him throw a media shit show after the convention.
>>679900681 That's what Im hoping for. The general would be a hundred time for entertaining, as we get to watch Trump scrabble to attack both sides only to be helping the Dems walk into the white house and possibly hold congress.
>>679900331 I remember a long time ago back when liberals were like "OMG Reagan is so stupid he's gonna start WW3 or nuke ourselves!!!" It's pretty much that way whenever anyone who isn't a democrat gets elected.
And when those liberals are proven wrong, they're just make up excuses like "Well he set the stage for WW3....well we're closer to WW3...."
>>679900967 i could care less since im not from america, but none the less are you really going to say he wont start a war, hes already starting a race war and he isnt president yet and when he has power, he has an army and weapons, smh its so obvious but retard americans are retarded
>>679902340 Dude, what Marx said is irrelevant in 2016. Fucker's dead. Social democracies across the globe do just fine, thanks.
And what basic human freedoms are you talking about? None of us can do whatever the fuck we want. Quite rightly. Society doesn't work that way. Socialism is just a different way of doing things that doesn't benefit the super rich.
>>679902256 But even better there is nothing you can do about it! Either - wait for the collapse - help speed up the collapse - expatriate, get another passport and repeal your US citizenship (as otherwise you will still be subject to many US laws no matter where you live)
it's kind of funny how cultural differences between the UK and US work.
Over here we have minimum wage, everyone accepts it as perfectly normal. You guys think a minimum wage is anti-business.
The idea is that if a businessman can get away with it, then they'll cut every corner possible, its human nature. If a businessman can't afford to pay minimum wage, they're probably a shitty businessman.
Yet strangely you guys think tipping is perfectly normal and we don't.
>>679902964 I've been living in socialism so we know how it works in practice. It just brakes because of a human factor. BTW How can you benefit from taxation of rich ppl when you pay higher taxes as well?
>>679902818 Fuck you I rather just pay out of pocket At most, a cancer diagnosis would cost me 35k max. Not only that but it's rare as fuck for someone who doesn't smoke or drink You think people just GET cancer all of a sudden? Fuck no you retard. It's old geezers getting prostate cancer And drinkers getting liver cancer Smokers getting lung cancer Women get breast cancer for no reason but that's literally the only non-ultrafuckingrare cancer people get
>>679903992 Haha, I knew you'd come back with a zinger like that. Bravo. My country isn't perfect, but we're doing ok. 5th biggest economy in the world, despite having a fraction of the US population.
And the thing with universal free healthcare is that it's way way cheaper to deliver than the complex US system. No insurance or obamacare or whatever. Everyone pays in, everyone gets something out. And even if you don't get sick, I guarantee that a friend or loved one will at some point. Shit happens, man. Knowing that it won't bankrupt you or your family is a massive weight off your mind.
>>679904257 Are you people retarded? Libertarians still need to obey the law. If you pay some guy 7.25$, then you're literally stealing his shit. You like the fact that he's hungry, and you see that as an advantage. His work is worth more than 7.25$, but you still pay him less because you can.
You have an illegal advantage, you idiot. Libertarian doesn't mean anarchist. We still shouldn't commit theft or blackmail. And slavery should still be illegal. Are you that retarded?
>>679904573 Scandinavia. I've been to Copenhagen. it's awesome. Taxes are high, but so is standard of living and general happiness and well being. And they brew some pretty awesome beer. You should visit. Getting around is easy, cos of their great public transport, and they all speak English! Fuck yeah, Denmark. (And other Scandinavian countries that are also awesome).
>>679904250 You're an idiot and pay no bills. It's obvious from everything you type. Obango care was supposed to spread out healthcare costs, and reduce the price while increasing the care. NEWS FLASH SHORT BUS It's done the opposite. It's ruined healthcare, and if you paid bills or actually had to use that shit system, you'd know it.
>>679904694 Oh wow. What a hugely crass thing to say. You're extraordinarily stupid. Cancer doesn't work like that. A lot of people may have had it developing for a while, but they don't have it diagnosed in time. And they die. Very often because they don't have healthcare and are scared of going to the doctor.
>>679904887 Yes, it's nice when the bus ticket is inexpensive and English courses are free.
Too bad they don't have any Nobel prizes, though. And they haven't invented anything in a long time. If you want the government to give you some money for research and equipment, too bad, the money has to go to hire free English tutors. If you're a genius in physics and biology, you have no luck. But if you're a bus driver, your life is as swell as it can be.
>>679904797 A lot of ANCAPs claim to be libertarian. Sad. Too bad they dont know real libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. They think less government just means, I should literally be allowed to do whatever i want. Freedom isnt free children... specially economic freedom.
>>679904887 How about how small the country is relative to the US and how less diverse? Actually won't be less diverse for long as you're cucking your women to all the brown refugees. Nice try though 7/10.
extremely rare cases man. Also breast cancer. That's literally it. We're talking 1:100,000 for the shit you're describing (excluding breast cancer)(also ruling out drinkers, smokers, and old geezers getting prostate cancer)
>>679905240 Obviously, by supply and demand. AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING! The demand for a person's work clearly makes the price go higher than 7.25
The only reason the employers pay only 7.25 is because there is another factor, like the fact that the employee needs food and is in desperate need of money. This is called marginal utility, you idiot, look it up.
The market right now is NOT made by supply and demand. If somebody has a million dollars, they won't work for 7.25$/h Therefore, the employers right now rob the employees, literally ROB them of their marginal utility of the difference between a normal wage and a 7/25$/h wage
Learn to economics, faggot.
>>679905503 >>679905549 You people are imbeciles if you believe being libertarian is the same thing as being anarchist. If you think we should not make ANY laws, then it's not the same as only making useful laws.
>>679905684 what? your monthy morgage and electricity go up because obama care? what fucking bills are you talking about? get a real job that offers healthcare and you wont have to worry about healthcare insurance bills
>>679905278 Alfred Nobel was literally Swedish. And Denmark has won 12 nobel prizes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Danish_Nobel_laureates So I'm guessing that the rest of that is also bullshit. I dunno, I don't know that much about Scandinavia.
>>679905504 Good that Denmark, Norway and Sweden have pretty much closed the borders for immigrants and are kicking out illegals atm. Non of them will reach under 90% white in the next 20 years compared to the United Cucks of America with over 40% spics and nigs right now.
>>679907098 Guess what! There can be good socialism and bad socialism! Wow. Just like there can be good and bad capitalism. The systems are just that. Systems. When those systems are corrupt then they fail! Using a fucked up version of socialism to decry all socialism is a poor argument.
Jesus, I feel like I should be doing this with sock puppets.
"Communist China and the Soviet Union don't count. If you want to see TRUE socialism, look at a small country which has a mild form of socialism, and which also has a lot of wealth left from when it had a colonial empire."
>>679906803 Smokers Drinkers Old ass people Breast cancer
That's literally all the cancer you hear about.
Then you have the ultrarare cancers that some of the childrens get on TV asking for donations to St. Jude
Then you have the ultrafuckingrare cancers that happen randomly. Lung cancers with lymphatic growths that kill in <6months. Bone cancers. Super rare shit.
But seriously Is it really worth it to tax an entire population just because a small population percentage get a super rare medical condition and you are scared you might get it too? That's retarded. Majority of our health care system is clogged up with obese assholes and retards with extremely easily preventable shit
>>679907482 Bernie Saunders version of socialism is the mildest form imaginable. Like, maybe let's pay people a fair wage, and give people healthcare so they don't die. And you Yanks are all going spastic over it! Fucking hilarious. As if giving a flying fuck about your fellow man will cause your legs to drop off or something. Why do you all fucking hate each other so much?
The funniest thing was the retards accusing Obama of being a socialist. Haha! Dude would be right wing in most normal countries. Your political system crazy.
"In a fair system, the workers have a right to property over the means of production. The corporation should be owned by it's workers, not CEOs."
Yes, because if somebody comes to your shitty state and builds a factory and hires you, then the normal attitude you should have is "Thank you for building this factory and giving me a job. This factory is mine now."
And also, there are shareholders. If you want to be a part of the economy, start buying shares.
>>679908156 I agree that we should increase minimum wage and give women paid leave for when they have children. But that doesn't mean we should pay health insurance for morons who smoke pot, or give literal retards the change to go to college free of charge.
>>679907973 Firstly, your idea of what causes cancer is wildly simplistic. We still don't know what causes a lot of them. Perfectly healthy people get them, cos them's the breaks.
Secondly, cancer isn't the only disease. I mean, that's obvious, right? Something that is completely unrelated to your lifestyle could put you in a wheel chair. A car accident. A slip and fall. Being shot by someone. And wam bam, you're bankrupt. And can't work. Happens all the time.
But nooooo, you're immortal! Nothing's going to happen to you! Until it does, and you're fucked.
>>679909152 okay obviously you arent here to talk with logic and use sourceable stats to back up your argument, but are rather here to name call people into submission. Keep believing what you want but dont be surprised when 50 and you get cancer somewhere you didnt expect.
>>679908724 All those possibilities are extremely fucking rare too man.
It's probably a million to 1 shot of ALL of those possibilities happening to you in a lifetime.
I'm saying it's not worth forcing young people to buy in to Obamacare and not have money to save for retirement or pay loans and have to delay their life by 5 years all because some old ass people voted to force young people to buy in so they could pay less for insurance and also because some retards on 4chan are scared of slipping and falling and having a catastrophic fall where they break all their glass bones in their body as they fall from their 1000000 ft. porch step.
If you are so scared of that, buy your own damn health insurance and don't force me to buy it.
>>679909732 food prices will only go up for a few months to a year max. people just want you to think everything will be fucked if we get rid of illegals but the portion of shit that they used up would reallocate to those that need it so it wouldnt actually have that much of an impact except in places that make use of illegals massively like in LA and shit. most of the country wouldnt even notice anything
>>679909732 illegal immigrates still pay the sale tax on all items purchased and if were to file income taxes would get 95% of it back since they are well below the poverty line. Deporting them will cost a shit ton in the first place and youll never stop them from continuing to come through. And might actually cost more than the little they would pay as legal immigrants. Also good luck with that insanely expensive wall. Sounds like a shit ton of spending while bringing in no more tax revenue.
Well well well lookie here. A racist BIGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder you are a republifuck, republicuck. Tell me, who told you that white race was the best? Your mom? Dad? /b/? You're wrong. Sweden is one of the best countries and your retartad.
>>679910469 there are ways to get mexico to pay for the wall like trump has indicated or by simply using humanitarian money we send to them since most ends up in corrupt people pockets and barely any actually is used for what its given. mexico would rather pay to build the wall than lose that money permanently since long run its better for them. And if done correctly not the typical politician thats the norm now where you spend 10x what is actually needed it wont be super expensive. expensive as fuck yes but not the amount people think it would costs
Nothing about deporting illegals and maintaining a secure border is discriminatory against Hispanics. If you believe that respected national borders and the Rule of Law is inherently inimical to your people, that is YOUR problem, not Trump's or his supporters'.
Trump has been perfectly candid about describing Mexico and her people as beautiful, and maintains only that the good people aren't the ones with the incentives to enter our country illegally and maintain our system of non-enforcement. You just choose not to pay attention to the nuance, and choose to identify personally with criminals and thugs instead of the fine people who truly honor your heritage.
>>679911567 in the US we have 2 parties and the primary election (what we have now) is to pick the candidate that will be the actual candidate for presidency come the real election. This is how we narrow it down to 2 people most support and who will be going against each other come the presidential election. the system though is designed to where popular vote can be beaten by delegates so the most popular candidate wont necessarily be the winning one at the end of the primaries. If a person doesn't get the needed delegates then the convention where the candidate who won would of celebrated instead becomes a battleground where the party leaders can pick any person they want basically because there are people who vote for who they want instead of the actual results from the elections. Tha'ts what is most likely going to happen with the republicans. Trump is the most popular having way more actual votes than cruz but he will be beaten by a system that is rigged/corrupt.
that is a very very basic overview of the voting system
In America, we pretty much have a two party system; Republicunts and Smellocrats.
In a parliamentary system like literally everywhere else in the world, parties pick people they like then citizens vote for MP's and if the party gets the most seats, their guy wins the seat.
But in America, anyone can run. Literally. Anyone. (as long as you were born here, and are at least 35 years old). Vermin Supreme is a prime example of this. People announce that they are running and declare which party they are voting for. All this leads to quite a few candidates, so we have to whittle it down a little. Republicans had something like 15 serious candidates, and all of those candidates would split the vote and assure the democrats a victory. To avoid this, we have what are essentially play offs called primary elections. The candidates compete for votes state by state to win delegates and (supposedly) the candidate in each party with the most delegates will have the support of the party itself. Then in November, the general election is when you pick between the party's choices for candidates and the winner becomes president.
>>679914357 Yes, you're a "correct" kind of libertarian, who probably voted for anybody except Rand Paul. You think that if you let minimum wage to the market, you're somehow such a strong libertarian. On other issues, I bet you're like "meh", but minimum wage should definitely not raise.
>>679914133 illegals get almost every benefit citizens do without needing to pay taxes and with a fake social can get the rest of benefits since our government doesnt activaly investigate nor pursue many cases of illegals doing it mainly due to liberal influence on the government and social mindset. why punish them if they just want a better life right? oh but you as a citizen have to pay for it and if you say anything about how its not fair that makes you a racist bigot i was fired from a burger king when i got 13 illegals arrested who worked there because they were selling meth. i was fired for "unsatisfactory work" when the reality was i pointed out illegals and got punished for following the law. a friends little brother worked there and i was an unofficial example of what not to do and consequences of being racist to minorities
>>679906120 Jobs that offer insurance usually make you pay the premiums out of each paycheck. Obamacare has(according to my friends that have to pay for it, my job pays my ins premiums and provide low deductible) added at least an extra $100/mo if not doubled what they have to pay
>>679915817 that was when i 17 in high school. now 6 years later 6 i work for spacex voting for trump because most of his policies are good, some are bad but i agree with a lot of what he wants to do. better economy, lower taxes with closed loopholes, stronger borders to encourage legal immigration, better trade deals, less active military for other nations(they have to actually have a military budget instead of using ours as a psuedo army) and he seems to be the only person who will actively encourage PC to be done away with listened and researched others but all of them are just bad. bernie i respect but his policies i do not agree with and some of his stances are just stupid
>>679914596 To keep being a retarded drop out as undesirable as possible of course. There are already alot of those and doubling minimum wage isn't gonna keep people away from dropping out of school, highschool/college/uni
>>679910469 Illegals claim like 12 dependents so they claim exempt and don't pay anything into taxes and then they just don't file. I worked at a place with like 97% illegals before GA made it a rule for employers to i9 verify people
>>679914804 God you're dumb, Bernie wants to raise minimum wage through the fucking roof, literally every job has been moving it's pay too keep up with how valuable the currency is, including minimum wage, what bernie wants to do is double how much is currently being paid, then continue to adjust it according to the value of the dollar. So basically, he wants to reward people for doing nothing. I can imagine why you would support that
>>679917911 Nigga I saw it happen. I know these people. They openly admit what hey do. I will admit that I don't have proof. But I will say that it was a pallet shop that these guys were clearing $500-600 a week at tax free because of their filing status. Every now and again INS would show up and these guys would "go on vacation" but a couple weeks later they were right back. Very frustrating as one of like 4 white guys actually paying taxes and making like 3/4 what they were making.
Yes, clearly you're not American. Trump's popularity is a result of poor white people with no access to quality education, no connections, and little hope of their families moving out of poverty being told that they need to acknowledge the privilege they have solely due to the fact of the color of their skin. And they are often being told this by rich spoiled black students (Mizzou and Yale - both people making the biggest deals were from multimillionaire households).
Not only that, but they don't have the countless charities and government programs that non-whited have.
>>679918612 Yeah, it must be real tough to mop floors at a hospital for example. And for 40hrs a week too?! Fucking hell right? Why should the doctors at said hospital who save lives for a living and work 60 hour weeks get so much more that the janitor? This is robbery, corruption, insanity, I can't wait for berni to save the day
Certain areas in the US could use a high minimum wage (NYC, San Fran), but there are large swaths of our Country where no one makes that much money, so it wouldn't be at all possible for someone to start a company and most businesses would probably shut down. They might be fine with a slight increase, but a $15 federal minimum would certainly be a mistake in the US, and pretty much all sensible economists agree - I even heard that on NPR, liberal radio.
>>679919072 i have a friend who runs his own business and he cant afford to pay all his people 15/hr. he will be forced to fire 1/3 of his staff or raise prices in hopes to bring in more money. if he fires the people it will keep him in business but also put more stress on those left to cover the work or raise prices and if he loses business go under because customers didnt want to pay higher prices. that will be the fate of a massive number of small businesses when the min wage if forcibly raised.
>>679919348 They're only College educated because they're rich and oblivious. They're people from well off families who grew up spoiled, thought they should go to College for some random major (because again - they're spoiled and told 'do what you love!') and end up barely making any money.
Everyone I know who supports Sanders on Facebook is lazy and made horrible life decisions.
This is the same guy who called Trump voters uneducated by the way.
All of you idiots against obamacare need to do some research, you pay more outta pocket than any other developed country for healthcare. Your health care is run by for-profit companies, this is the first step to better care for all of you dumbasses! read a book, fuck.
>>679919509 God fucking damn it you idiot. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make, they don't, they make a great deal more, and it's 100% what they deserve.
>implying the janitor deserves some of the doctors money more than the doctors do. For cleaning the fucking floor.
Go to medical school for 4 years AFTER uni, pay for all of it. Then get s job at a hospital and provide for your family when you get to see them much less. Know your going to die at the rype age of 65 and NEVER retire because Bernie wants to raise the pay of lazy dimwits like yourself.
>>679919814 That will happen to some businesses that have tons of minimum wage workers, but most businesses will survive. And the economy will grow, because when you give a minimum wage worker more money they spend 100% of it. When you give a rich person that money they spend like 10% of it. Some businesses would fail but it would be good for the economy as a whole
>>679901654 >>679901303 What if I told you that socialism can work in a modern country? In Denmark you pay more than 50% tax from salary (yes seems a lot, yet what you're left with is more than enough for comfortable living) and the government pays you to go to school, education, healthcare is free. You get back % of that amount in april as feriepenge (vacation money) equal to 1-2 salaries, plus also something for christmas. Many people I know from Denmark told me they don't mind paying even bigger taxes if the money will go, where it's supposed to be and not via corruption to corporations and politicians. What you are referring to is what happened in communism. That's when government is extremely corrupt and has lust for power.
>>679920247 Yes, for profit companies are almost always massively more efficient than the government.
We pay a lot out of pocket because insurance already is a socialist institution. It leaves no pricing competition in the healthcare industry so healthcare costs have become massively inflated. This is just one of the many unforseen results of liberal government meddling. Did you know it was actually Bill Clinton who led to the massive wage differences we see among CEOs? Also liberal policies of encouraging risky sub-prime mortgages contributed massively to the recession.
>>679920318 that and increasing minimum wage doesn't matter rent will go up cost of food will go up everything will cost more cause employers will need to make up for the hike in minimum wage it will essentially be rendered useless by inflation.... so get your head outta your ass people
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