/b, why aren't you vegan yet? >inb4 meat is manly hurr

i love bacon in my ass

>>679816355
Because you need skills to capture, kill, and cook, to eat meat. Being vegan just means you lack those skills and shows you aren't capable of doing much.

>>679816355
Because of esstenial vitamins like b12

>inb4 supplements, those supplements are not the bioactive or bioavailabile forms of b12

I like how meet tastes.

Meat tastes a lot better than dirt.

>>679816653
That's just not true.The animals you eat get their b12 from supplements too.

>>679816785
Top kek

>>679816653
B12 comes from water and since the farm animals can't get enough of it they just supplement them. So instead of taking a B12 supplement directy, you would rather take it through an animal corpse?

>>679816625
So true. I hate when i run out of meat and then have to go hunting every weekend

>>679816355
Because I need BCAAs
Because I need Creatine
Because I need Vitamin B12
Because I need different folds of protein
And I don't need to supplement these because I eat meet.
Why are you vegan OP?

>>679816355
I'd like to be vegan, at least vegetarian, but only because being a meat eater is killing the Earth. Only problem is that just one person sacrificing meat intake isn't going to change anything, it will just make all my food taste worse. So, until there is a mass movement of anti-meat or whatever, I'll stay a omnivore.

>>679816625
When was the last time you killed your own dinner you mongrel?

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>>679816355
makes no difference... [?]

>>679816968
Meet eating is not killing the Earth. Stop reading PETA bullshit.

>>679816959
Plenty of vegan bodybuilders.

>>679816625
Are you capturing and killing your meat in this day and age? No, you just go to your nearest supermarket for your meat. So this argument is retarded. Are animals captured or are they tortured and sliced open in an enclosed farm?

>>679816785
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10552882

>>679816905
>comes from water
Kek, no it doesn't

>>679817122
None of them can win on stage.

>>679816918
kek

how can I get swoll without my meat

>>679817174
I don't care about your cherry picked studies, there are plenty of studies showing cyanocobalamin cures b12 deficiency.

>>679817030
Keked my bag clean off there

what happens if you get head lice?
you can't kill them, they're animals

>>679816625
Farming requires a ton more skill. Your dumbass inbred pets can hunt.

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Patrik Baboumian, 3rd strongest man on the planet, holds many world records.
Vegan.

>>679817228
Pros don't get where they are thanks to creatine and whey protons, they're on all sorts of drugs.

>>679817324
You don't put on much mass. Look at vegetarian bodybuilders vs guys like Ronnie Colman or Arnold Schwarzenegger.

>>679816700
/thread

>>679817071
Don't even know what peta is. My reasoning is that animals take much more resources to raise and slaughter, and take up more space and time. This isn't a problem, but due to the world entering overpopulation within the next 50-100 years, it will be. The only way we can sustain a world with over 10 billion people is to increase farmland and decrease any sort of pastures for animals. The sooner we can stop meat production, the better off we will be.

>>679816355
because i hate animals. i hate the planet. i also hate myself, but what i hate more than anything in the world is you and your fucking thread

>>679817411
But a diet is integral to what they do. Steroids and HGH do not put the necessary nutrients into your body that you need.

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I eat meat and chew with my mouth open just to piss you off, vegan hippie scum.

I still hunt in this day in age but in fairness i shop at the grocery store as well. I like deer because it is the ultimate free range and cruelty free meat. Veganism is okay as long as you dont push it on children and housrlepets

>>679816355
Because vegans are weak
And steak is tasty

It's not like I don't feel guilty about the animals everytime I take a bite, but fuck, dude, they're being killed anyway, there's no way to stop that, if I didnt eat it shops will just throw it away
I'm not perpetuating animal killings by eating it, if I stopped meat would still be sold

>>679817407
The world's strongest man is not a vegan.

i don't think animal lives matter

>>679817324
Peas beans soy rice dark leafy greens. I'm an athlete (weights and muay thai) and feel beter from turning vegan

>>679816653
That's the only supplement I take on account of being vegan. Humans are shit at absorbing it, and b12 is dirt cheap and impossible to overdose, so everyone should be taking some just to be safe.

>>679817355
>>679816355
this OP

>>679817327
>cherry picked
It's literally the second Google hit for Peseudo b12

>there are plenty of studies showing cyanocobalamin cures b12 deficiency.
Post one

>>679817630
dude whatever keep eating heart disease food I don't give af

>>679816918
Do really thing you are going to eat 10 pounds of food a day?

>>679817001
Last year, December during deer season. Enough food to last you month you weakling.

>>679817140
>So this argument is retarded. Are animals captured or are they tortured and sliced open in an enclosed farm?
Why would you torture? Kill on site and take it back home. Even a wild pig and provide enough for a few weeks

>>679817360
>Farming requires a ton more skill. Your dumbass inbred pets can hunt.
Anon, our ancestors hunted for a living, you are what they call the berry pickers

>>679817735
Yes.. I stated he is 3rd but holds many world records in certain lifts it just means the other 2 may have better leg genetics etc but he has lifts no one else can do.

>>679816355
>meat is delicious
>trying to build some muscle mass
>meat IS, in fact, a natural part of the human diet, albeit not in the proportions that certain people eat, looking at you, Amerifats

>>679817852
>Post one
no, not my job to improve your health
stay fucked

>>679817520
Actually there is a resource balance in the world. The main one PETA points out is water, but the Earth has the same amount of water on it that it has had for about 10,000 years.

>>679817915
I was referencing to farm conditions, where animals are tortured and killed. If u actually are hunting your own food and eating it all, good for you, I have nothing against that, but I doubt you really are.

>>679816355
I am not a hipster, and I like meat.

>>679817884
Not everyone who eats meet gets a heart attack.

>>679817939
He could improve on them if he wasn't a vegan. The strongest man on earth is Brian Shaw. He is stronger.

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not being vegan is normal
being vegan is not normal
why are you vegan?

>>679817500
That has nothing to do with diet, a lot to do with genetics and also massive amounts of steroids, plenty of vegan boatbuilders with massive gains

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Because meat is fucking aces, man.

>>679817972
Kek, asks why you aren't vegan give a valid health reason backup with a peer reviewed sciencific paper. Anon refutes by saying I cherry picked and claims there are plenty papers saying the opposite but won't post one.

GTFO vegan faggot

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Because I love animals.

>>679817798
Humans are shit at absorbing it because the manufacturers source of it is mostly not what humans can use. Meat is cheap too, I'd rather get it from meat where it will be absorbed

>>679817972
faggot

>>679817174
Alright, im not going to argue about B12 since I haven't researched it in depht yet. But out of two options which seems more logical- eat meat which increases all cause mortality risk, heart disease risk, diabetes risk, obesity risk, cancer risk JUST to get one isolated vitamin? Or to take the damn B12 supplement and none of the bullshit that comes with meat?

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>>679816355
Some of the best Asian food has meat.

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>>679818249
Hail Eris!

Yessss another vegan on /b/ peace and love brother

>>679818189
I'm sure at certain lifts and overall he is stronger, it does not change the fact a vegan holds world records in certain lifts. He also has done many interviews, his veganism improved his recovery time and power gains. There is also 300LB NFL David Carter who said the same thing about recovery. Oh there is also Nate Diaz UFC fighter who smashed the fuck out Mcgregor. Vegans breh.

Because vegans are fucking faggots.

>>679818603
That makes two of you, and you both managed to tell the world that you are vegans. Grats.

Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes good.

>>679818606
Oh, I am certain he does not take any supplements whatsoever, none at all.

>>679818062
Anon, the second you cage animals and torture them, you are not farming them, you are harvesting them.

I'm part time vegan, I eat meat like once a week or so

that's good enough for me, I see no reason why I should eat less meat

>>679818703
Im not telling the world, im just asking one isolated group why they aren't vegans because i find it interesting.

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>>679818671
No, the little meat eating bitch under Nate vegan Diaz is a faggot.
He can't handle the plant power, bitch.

>>679817915
Last December was 3 months ago, have you not had a meal from xmas? You are getting on like you are some sort of hard man when in reality you need a high powered tool to kill a defenceless animal from a safe distance you fag. i am weakling enough to not need a rifle to kill something you inbred neck beard piece of shit

>>679817355
>>679818848
answer this OP

>>679816355
Do you have a pet op?

>>679818466
b12 deficiency

>Vitamin B12 deficiency can potentially cause severe and irreversible damage, especially to the brain and nervous system.[23] At levels only slightly lower than normal, a range of symptoms such as fatigue, depression, and poor memory may be experienced.[2] Vitamin B12 deficiency can also cause symptoms of mania and psychosis.[24][25]

Wiki

>>679818860
>part time vegan
Talk about pretentious.

because if you're vegan you become like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xzXOzYhRTM

Because meat and fish taste good.

>>679819027
So why not take a B12 supplement?

Why is it so hard for people to empathize with plants? They have feelings too.

>>679816355
Because taking vitamin supplements isn't that fun, and most of all I'm sure telling everyone you're vegan is pretty tiring. Oh, and vegans are giant faggots.

>>679816355

> /b, why aren't you vegan yet?

I'm vegan because I don't like the taste of meat an animal products in general but I fucking hate cows. Every once in a while I buy a steak just to throw it away.

>>679818112
Not every one who sucks a dick is gay

The amount of ignorance meat eaters have on this subject amazes me. They don't know, or don't give give a fuck that raising animals for food is the most resource intense and inefficient process man kind takes part in. Since I know most of you knuckle draggers are too stupid to actually research the subject I will end my rant by saying fuck humanity. As a species we are ignorant fucks that deserve the fate our selfish actions will bring us. We don't deserve this beautiful planet. Durr durr fuck the planet, meat is yummy

>>679818112
Also most people die of heart failure do this is technically a lie

>>679819256
And this is why no one likes vegans.

You're all a bunch of smug, annoying cunts.

I'm not vegan because I need the nutrients in meat to live. I don't give a fuck what anyone else chooses to eat, though.

What do vegans do when the captcha says "select all the food" and it's got steak and fried chicken?

>>679816355
If we're not supposed to eat animals why are they made of tasty, tasty meat?

>>679818253
Meat is bad for you, doctors will even tell you it gives you CANCER

>>679819183
Because of esstenial vitamins like b12

>inb4 supplements, those supplements are not the bioactive or bioavailabile forms of b12

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10552882

>>679817122
1 pound of lean beef has the same amount of protein as EIGHT pounds of broccoli. My time is valuable and that's just too much damn chewing.

>>679816355
Answer this op
>>679818997

>>679819198
We have to feed plants to animals for them to grow so you kill more of both, faggot.

To the other vegans here with me, we must be blunt and correct stupid shit like this, we will take over, we are right.

>>679819027
Animals are fed supplements and then you eat them and gain the b12. Taking them yourself is just cutting out the middle-man. We used to have natural B12 but we kinda fucked that up. Also only around 4% of the planet is vegan, you think all those supplement stores are made for vegans? Don't be stupid every gets deficiencies. The world health organisation has undeniably stated a vegan diet is appropriate for any stage in life. If you wiki "Bluezones" (Places where the average life expectancy is far higher than anywhere else, less cancer etc) They eat around 5% of their food from animals rest is vegan and many don't eat meat at all.

Your move you massive cock sucking faggots.

Ah, the eternal war. Idiots versus idiots.

Smart people go vegetarian.

>>679818436
Humans are built to digest fruit. We are not carnivores that is why our teeth are straight and not sharp. Meat ruins our digestion and clogs out arteries and eventually kills us by giving us dodgy hearts and immune systems. The healthiest people on earth are vegans and that is a fact proven by various studies worldwide

>>679817122
More non-vegan body builders, who gain quicker, look better, and don't need as many supplements to maintain their health

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>>679819256
>implying we do not have to destroy earth/nature to farm
>implying farming does not also impact the ecosystem

shut up faggot

>>679819651
No i dont.

>>679819256
A very valid point, despite the fact you made it like a whiny child. I hope our technology for growing meat without the animal improves quickly enough that we can have meat in our diets without killing everyone in the process.

idkek because i like it tbh, fuck off libtard >>679816355

>>679818860
Eating meat as often as once a week increases your Rick of heart disease etc by like 400pecent

Because I want to have muscle.

>>679819827
Okay, then you aren't a total hypocrite, carry on.

The vast majority of ALL farming around the world is feed crops for factory farm animals, NOT for good a human will eat directly. Idiot

>>679816355
I'm not vegan because i'm not found of eating potatoes and algae, and i don't want to wear plastic clothes.

>>679819782
>We are not carnivores that is why our teeth are straight and not sharp

I want you feel or take a picture of the 8 teeth in the very front of your mouth (both upper and lower). They are sharp, we are omnivores, it was thought that the introduction of meat into our early ancestors diets was a major reason form brain development (interesting b12 is in meat and lack of b12 is known for mental problems)

>>679819747
Smart people ignore opinions posted on anonymous anime imageboards that are 13 years out of date.

>>679820077
exposing your self t UV light increases your chances too, you better not go outside anon

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>>679819782
>teeth not sharp
Are you retarded? Humans have sharpened canines explicitly designed to tear apart meat, and our molars aren't just for grinding plants- they'll grind ANYTHING. Our diet is supposed to be PRIMARILY fruits and veggies, yes, but it's also supposed to include 2-3 servings of meat in a day.

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You're move, my intellectually inferior plebs.

I'm not a complete pussy.

>>679819338
I am vegan and this is true, I try not to say anything but when asked my opinion expect to be blown away. I hate myself for being right all of the time. Causes a lot of resentment

>>679818606
He turned vegan in 2011. So after getting all his size and strength during the prime building years he switched it up. Nice. Be vegan from early childhood and do what he has.

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>>679820077
rick of heart disease? By like?

>>679819782
>Humans are built to digest fruit

Really how come we do not have enzymes that other animals have to digest all carbohydrates form them then?...inulinases, pectinases, cellulases...since simple carbohydrates are used for glycolysis to create ATP which is the energy currency of life?

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>>679820578
But he has broken world records since then.. in other words he did not peak.

But ask you asked for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpFNMVBItGw vegan from birth.

>>679817716
oh my god the denial is so fucking in my face it's not even funny. you know you wanna just be a clean, advanced herbivore

>>679820227
They are for cutting, not for tearing like carnivores teeth are, also it wasn't because we switched to meat but because we started cooking our food so that takes up less of our time chewing and more time to do other things like learn
>>679820340
If we were meant to be carnivores then our digestion would be able to cope with raw meat. But what happens when humans eat raw meat? We get extremely sick and it can kill us. Yeah definitely carnivores..

>>679820798
You don't get it. Take steroids till 30 and stop. Tell everyone you're all natural since you don't take steroids any more? He got most of his size and strength while not being vegan.

best way to make people vegan is make good vegan food, OP.that's why I'm trying to open up a restaurant.

people hate needless bitching, but people love good eats, mate

>>679820340
Did god tell you that your body was designed to eat meat 3 times a day? How did you come up with that fact?

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>>679816355

>>679816355
fag

>>679821322
They why does he keep making power gains to this day and keeps breaking new records? surely his record breaking days would be over by your logic.. He is breaking his own records.

Every time I try to stop eating meat I find it too hard. I would feel better about eating meat if the animals weren't treated like complete Fucking shit, being confined to a small shithole and overfed.

>>679816355
Because meat tastes fucking wonderful, not a hard concept to grasp

>>679820340
If a human bites you in the arm vs a small carnivore like a cat or dog bites you in the arm, what is going to do the most damage? Yeah our teeth are designed to eat meat alright. Learn some biology..

>>679821286
>they are for cutting, not for tearing like carnivores teeth are.

Kek, cutting tearing...that just semantics. Why dont elephants have them to tear their food? or what because they are herbivores and dont need them

>to meat but because we started cooking our food so that takes up less of our time chewing and more time to do other things like learn
you are right that cooking food make it easy to eat and was used for mainly meat. You dont really have to cook fruits

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Because im not a faggot

>>679816355
Meat simply tastes better. I've tried various forms of "meat" both vetarian and vegan and they're mostly awful.

>>679821643
well the human mouth is larger than a cat and would have more force. so a human would do more damage....remember physics f=ma

>>679821412
>mfw nutritional guides
>mfw people still have sharp teeth clearly designed for meat
>don't believe in god
>not knowing man has eaten meat since before recorded history because of its nutritional value
>not understanding that humans evolved as pack hunters

>>679820666
Our bodies has to excrete something otherwise we would all be full of shit like all the meat eaters on this thread

>>679821643
I've bitten people and been bitten by people. I do more damage than any dog that's ever bitten me.

>>679821643
have a deer bite you're arm see what kind of damage it does

Protip deer are herbivores, we are not

>>679821528
Then be a hunter its the ultimate free range and cruelty free

>>679821939
You dont biochemsitry do you?
we excrete some enzymes for carb degradation but not all required to digest all carbs in fruit like other animals do. Thus we are NOT meant to eat just fruit

>>679821286
Early man DID eat raw meat before he learned to cook it. And some humans do still eat raw meat today without getting sick, although it's now quite rare due to the risk of bacterial infection.

>>679821508
Massive amounts of supplements. Also, who's to say that he isn't juicing or a big fat liar?

>>679821660
Because elephants have massive fucking mouths

Yes but you do have to cook a lot of veg or you would spend all day chewing

>>679821823
Yes force would leave a nasty bruise but it is very hard to break the skin. Animals with sharp teeth have no problem breaking the skin.

Our bodies are very versatile and that is part of the reason why we evolved over all the other animals but we are basically designed for eating fruit

>>679822303
ok a deer than, why dont deer have pointed teeth? dont they need to tear plants to eat? No they just grind them with their flat teeth.

I agree with you that you need to cook SOME veggies but scientists dont attribute cook veggies to an increase in brain size in humans

Protip the pointed teeth in our mouth is for meat

>>679820798
Sunken eyes and a shit accent. I remember back in school 125 nothings pumping out 100 pushups and practically running up ropes, but they couldn't bench their own body weight. I could. The guy in the vid is lean, but I wouldn't call him built.

>>679822561
It really isn't hard to break the skin. It would be with your molars, but humans' front teeth are sharp.

>>679816653
most vegans use substitutes to milk. Soy or other milk substitutes are usually enhanced with vitmamins including Vitamin D and B12.

>>679822561
a human mouth can break skin, dont kid youself.

And Im going to repeat myself again here
If we were designed (by evolution) to eat fruit why do lack enzymes to fully digest it? Why do we not have cellulases, pectinases, inulinases, etc to break down the all carbs in fruit? You'd think if we were meant to eat only fruit and veggies our bodies would take all the available resources from them as other animals do

>>679821879
Pack hunters. So what. We lived in tribes and in working together in tribes to brave off the elements and threats to learn information and pass it on through teaching others. That has nothing to do with eating meat. It has more to do with opposable thumbs and learning effective communication

>>679816355
>>inb4 reasons
tastes nice and i don't want to be

>>679819490
Literally everything gives you cancerq

>>679816355
I'm the kind of vegan that hardcore vegans would probably frown upon.

I despise factory farming and don't support trophy hunting. I don't mind hunting in order to maintain ecological homeostasis (ie, too many deer eating all the vegetation in a national park, and not enough natural predators).

Civilization does not need meat or even dairy for sustenance. Dairy products are even more inhumane in my opinion, just read up on it, it is disgusting what they put in dairy first of all, and secondly what they put cows through in order to get it. 75% of humans are lactose intolerant, and to make up for that, the dairy industry mixes artificial components that negate the effects of that intolerance, but makes it unhealthy for other reasons. They acidify your body, which then takes away calcium in your bones. The milk does a body good slogan is an absolute lie and a scam.

Meat and dairy products are simply cultural delicacies at this point, and they come at the cost of the immense lifelong suffering of countless fellow mammals. That being said, and this is why other vegans would probably hate me, I still love the taste of meat, and if someone offers me food that has meat or dairy in it for free, I have no problem eating it, I'm not gonna fuss about it. The animal is already dead, not eating its meat is not going to bring it back to life. My personal principle about the vegan issue is simply that I will never again purchase meat or dairy products for myself, as I don't want to financially support factory farming or even free range farming in any way. We do not need to cage and kill animals for food.

I mainly live off of bean, pea and lentil based stir fries with either rice or noodles, and I mix it up with a variety of sauces and spices. Delicious, and I generally feel better than when I ate meat and dairy on a regular basis. Legumes have all the protein you need, and though they taste bland on their own, you can always mix them up in oils and spices.

Only faggets eat meat...

>>679820340
You need to read more than just buzzfeed articles to get some decent info, retard.

>>679823587
>75% of humans are lactose intolerant
> the dairy industry mixes artificial components that negate the effects of that intolerance
>They acidify your body, which then takes away calcium in your bones
sources?

>as I don't want to financially support factory farming
So where do your beans, fruits, and veggies come from? Are you assuming the farmer who grow those foods did not kill any animals to grow that food? Are you assuming that they did not have to destroy the land, ecosystem and environment to grow that food?

>>679823587
>75% of humans are lactose intolerant, and to make up for that, the dairy industry mixes artificial components that negate the effects of that intolerance

Intolerance is due to lack of lactase enzymes being produced. So if they add the enzyme lactase, it will just take lactose and break it down to glucose. Not really seeing how that negatively effects people

Do you even biochem?

>>679816355
Cus they taste nice.

>>679821528
Try not eating red meats first, or chicken whichever you prefer less. It gets much easier as time goes on, and you can always buy those meat free products that taste like meat.

Quorn is the brand in my country not sure if you'd have it, you can get chicken fillets/dippers and sausages all sorts.

>>679816355
Because meat is delicious and I don't give a shit about animals.

>>679824256
If you were going to go that far into not harming any animals and what not then you'd just have to kill yourself, everything we do/own has some sort of collateral damage attached to it.

>>679824256
Okay, the number is actually 65%, I stand corrected, but my point still stands, just google "how many humans are lactose intolerant". East Asians are 90% lactose intolerant because they do not have a cultural history of pasteurization for dairy purposes the same way Europeans did.

>So where do your beans, fruits, and veggies come from? Are you assuming the farmer who grow those foods did not kill any animals to grow that food? Are you assuming that they did not have to destroy the land, ecosystem and environment to grow that food?

Oh shit, good point. I guess it's either eating meat, or eating nothing at all!

No faggot, if enough people simply stop buying meat, it will drop the incentive for containing and killing farm animals, regardless of whether or not the same farmers are also in the business of growing legumes. In a free market environment, more legume consumption + less meat consumption = more legume production + less meat production. Your argument fails.

>>679825519
im just pointing out that the term "factory farm" does not just apply to livestock farming but agriculture too. Those agriculture factory farms do alot of environmental and ecological damage too. So by not buying meat and buy only fruits and veggies you are still supporting "factory farms"

>>679816968
Every burgers is 2'500l of water needed. Go for it, every person counts at this stage

>>679822225
Not just plant based material, no. But we dont need to eat as much meat that is being produced, thats what the huge problem is. The amount of food/water and space given into animal farming is ridiculous.

>>679816653
b12 is produced by bacteria. in soil.

>>679825662
explain how "pasteurization for dairy purposes" stops intolerance?

see>>679824900 about lactase

you say you dont want to support factory farming and then say you dont care if you do

Your argument fails

>>679823269
Literally you already have cancer. Certain things just speed up the growth process and red meet is a main one. A plant based diet makes your blood 8 times less hospidable. So enjoy being right and dying of cancer eating poor defenceless animals whilst I love to 100 + with my plants and legumes

>>679826228
I agree that most people eat too much meat. But saying eating no meat is stupid and we do use alot of resources for the production of it. But we also use alot of resources and method for farming agriculture that is just as harmful to the environment and ecosystem. But thats the cost of convenience, id raise my own livestock if thats what it meant to have meat but i dont have to. Be thankful for that convenience, it allows you to not have to worry about feeding your self for the day and allows you to do something else with your life other than farming

>>679823005
How the fuck do I know. I did not invent the universe and everything in it. I was merely born into it. Jesus Christ

>>679826708
This entire post, kek

you dont understand how cancer forms do you?

>>679816625
That is bullshit and you know it.

In the modern age the vast majority of the population that eat meat, dairy and eggs don't posses those skills either. We've commoditized SPECIES of animals, seen only as food. We go to the supermarket to buy meat, cheese dairy and eggs.

The vegan diet is a diet for the modern age, where you can get all of the nutrition you need from plant based food (thanks to a global economy and supermarkets) without the negative effects of sat. fat and dietary cholesterol WITHOUT contributing to an industry that commoditizes sentient beings as FOOD AND NOTHING MORE.

Most people when faced with the choice of killing a cow, chicken or pig or eating a plant based meal, would be disgusted and choose the plant based meal.

Not saying that the vegan diet is a diet for survival outside of a civilized society. It's not. If a collapse were to occur, its kill or be killed, and meat would be the only viable source of nutrition when access to nutrient dense plant based foods became impractical.

>>679826933
protip its because are not "designed" to just eat plants

>>679826708
you... do actually know how cancer works, right? right?...

>>679822864
>>679823005

Have you ever tried to break someone's skin with your front teeth? I have and it is hard as fuck ok? You are talking pure shit for the sake of argument because you know that the vegans on this thread are right and in the process making yourself look like an ignorant asshole

>>679817411
test, hgh, dbol, tren, etc

>>679826708
>plant based diet makes your blood 8 times less hospidabe
Care to explain how and give sources?
Do you even know what cancer is?
This troll thread I swear

>>679825130
I used lent as a transition period
It is a good excuse

>>679816355
>>inb4 meat is natural for us
It is, retard.

If troll: 0/10
If srsly: -0/10

People who think it's wrong for living things to consume other living things do not understand a goddamn thing about nature and life.

>>679827195
I eat meat because I can, therefore I want to.

>inb4 the bridge analogy

>>679817716
The only vegans who are weak are those that eat a shit diet.

You can can get insufficient nutrition and eat like an idiot as an omnivore or vegan.

Most people don't make an effort to understand nutrition in the least.

I once had someone, a seemingly intelligent coworker of mine tell me he switched to wheat bread and is doing a smoothie cleanse to lose weight.

MOTHERFUCKER IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.

>>679827195
Yea i have and have broken skin. im not saying it as easy if i had only pointed teeth like a crocodile, but my eating/hunting tactics are different.

also you are doing the same shit, im not the one saying we dont have sharp teeth (when we do)

>>679816355
because I'm not a pompous ass hat who wants to feel superior for doing something with little to no effect on the world

>>679816355
i enjpy the taste and i also have zero concern over the welfare of animals

>>679817754
same here. My resting heart rate dropped 20 BPM a month in to a vegan diet. Hemorrhoids went away due to drastic increase is fiber intake (12g to 52g per day).

My deadlift and bench went up 20lbs and my endurance during volume workouts has nearly doubled.

>>679817520
The problem isn't meat consumption. It's lack of birth control. Faggot.

>>679827195
>Have you ever tried to break someone's skin with your front teeth? I have and it is hard as fuck ok?
no its not, youre talking out of your ass. breaking someones skin with your teeth is very easy
lrn 2 hardcore bdsm

>>679827283
Because meat makes your body acidic and cancer cells thrive in an acidic environment,
Plant based diet keeps your body at a neutral ph/ alkaline state
I have a fair idea about cancer. I am not a doctor if that is what you are asking. Are you a doctor anon?

I'm not a cuck like you, OP

>>679817972
Not your job to tell everyone else how to live either, but that isn't stopping you.

Freegan > Vegan

>>679817915
To respond to your third post.

Yes, our ancestors hunter for a living. Meat is rich is fats, sat. fats and cholesterol.

1g fat == 9 calories.

But our ancestors didn't know that. All they knew was that eating meat kept people seemingly healthy.

The difference is, they were always fighting for survival. They needed calorie dense food to stay on the move. It also helped that taking down a wild animal required teamwork and created almost a caste system amongst warriors. It was a two fold practice. You hunted for the honor of scoring a big kill and providing for the village for a longer time, and you knew you nor your people would starve.

Now in the modern age, we continue to eat meat like we need it to survive. but we don't. and we don't care because it tastes good. That's it. Greedy, hedonistic approach to food.

>>679827966
>cancer cells thrive in an acidic environment
source, cancer is basically unregulated cellular growth and unregulated glycolysis. Nothing to do with acidity

>>679827195
Actually not true I'm a cannibal and I'll be the first to tell you skin is very easy to break

>>679818222
because normal is relative.
faggot.

>>679827850
Could you chew through someone's arm? Didn't think so *drops Mike >>679827699

>>679818436
beans, legumes, nuts, seeds and leafy green vegetables are cheaper.

>>679828405
>Could you chew through someone's arm?
if needed yes
do you know nothing about the capabilities of the human body?

>>679828379
And you know this because doctorate anon?

>>679828380
What does a human taste like

>>679827966
nigga no

that's not how cancer works

cancer is a cell that has mutated to have no "hey we need to stop splitting" switch. That's cancer in it's most basic, it's actually far more complex.

>>679818466
dis nigga nailed it.

It's like diving into a vat of rattlesnakes for a dollar coin, when you can just exchange a bill for 4 of them at a change machine.

>>679826329
It's evolutionary biology and natural selection at work. Europeans who were lactose intolerant were less likely to survive due to less available food sources in an agricultural environment than the milk drinkers in their families/tribes, and that genetic line was thinned out over the generations.

Also point out where I contradict myself about factory farming, because I don't. I'm not opposed to consuming dairy personally when someone offers me something with dairy in it, but it is not a staple of my diet, nor do I ever purchase it. Given this, I can safely say that I am consistent about not personally financing the dairy and meat industries.

>>679818530
and the vast majority of it does not.

Because vegans stink and fart too much.

Because of my burning hatred of ethical vegetarians/vegans. Animals have rights? Yeah right, fucking assclowns.

>>679828380
When the person is still alive? And uncooked. Again, could you chew through someone's arm with merely your front teeth?

>>679816355
>vegan
Enjoy your jaundice.

>>679828639
Im recieving my masters in chem with a focus in biochem. I do biochemistry research and have taken several graduate classes on proteins, carbohydrates, enzymes, etc...lets just cancer, cancer treatments, drug targets, mechanisms, etc have came up more than a few times

>>679828639
we know this because we actually have a clue about what cancer is

>>679818606
right. Because we've demonized carbohydrates from non-refined sugar sources (read: any plant food), and carbs are our bodies PREFERRED source of energy. It's the easiest to break down into glucose. We have fucking carbohydrate digestive enzymes IN OUR MOUTHS for fucks sake.

Fats are the second hardest. Protein is the hardest.

>mfw all of these niggers on the paleo diet. Fucking morons.

>>679827045
So veganism is a religion for first world privileged sjw types. Thanks for admitting it.

>>679828676
Cancer is already growing inside you. It just doesn't get to dangerous levels until something triggers it or speeds up the process. And having an acidic body is one of them. Prove it to me otherwise 'nigga'

>>679819103
great reason dude.
Next you're gonna tell us you shoot .6g of dope a day because of feels good.
Or you routinely rape children because tastes good.

Same logic. Retarded logic.

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>>679819232
Not really.
It's only tiring if you eat like a moron, don't try, and don't want to learn anything about nutrition.

>>679829452
Lel

>>679828716
Actually it more like gene regulation, most children and babies are not lactose intolerant. As you become older, those genes for making lactase get turned off (by mechanisms not well understood). Some say its because you eat less dairy so your body stops producing it (lactase). Other say its our bodies natural way of protecting the food source of our young from our adult selves.

>Also point out where I contradict myself about factory farming, because I don't. I'm not opposed to consuming dairy personally when someone offers me something with dairy in it, but it is not a staple of my diet, nor do I ever purchase it. Given this, I can safely say that I am consistent about not personally financing the dairy and meat industries

but you are, buy eating the dairy food in which some one else bought, you are aiding them to buy more. continuing the cycle, its like I have to buy twice as much cheese if i offer you a slice everytime i eat some.

>>679828813
>could you chew through someone's arm with merely your front teeth?
yes
but we wouldn't. because were humans its in our nature to make tools to assist us

>>679828639
I know this because I passed high school biology.

>>679819256
Meat eaters predominantly have substandard IQ's?
idk. you right mah nig.

>>679816355
because i like the taste of pork and lamb and enjoy the health benefits from it?
why are you vegan still?

>>679828900
So then how is it proven that red meat is a cause of cancer?

>>679819338
you just hate being wrong is all. It's ok, someday you'll understand.

>>679819368
no you don't. Your statement shows you don't know jack about nutrition. Take the opportunity to learn.

>>679819463
because of society collapses, everything goes to hell and everyone is fighting for survival, if you have to kill an animal to get nutrients you need to survive because you don't have time to fucking garden, at least you get the consolation that you get one luxury in all of the chaos. Meat tastes good.

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>>679828289
this fucking guy

Vegan is entirely a choice about morality. There are no health benefits to being vegan or vegetarian.

>>679829561
If you were in the jungle with no tools could you catch and eat an animal without cooking it and it wouldn't be bad for you? Catch a fucking grip on your life you tard

>>679819618
Then do baked tofu. or Tempeh.
inb4 SOY HAS ETROGEN
isoflavones (plant estrogen) can't bond with hormone beta receptors in the body.
shut the fuck up and get over it.

>>679829668
Can you link to a proven source?

>>679829668
i never said it did

>>679827389
Meat consumption certainly is natural, and I sure as hell wouldn't expect veganism to be adopted by apex predators. Carnivores are what they are, and to demand veganism from them would be unethical, obviously. But we, as omnivorous humans in a civilization with industrialized food production, have better ethical options than to keep caged and wholesale slaughter 10 billion animals a year just so that some of us can indulge in juicy steaks and burgers on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. It's a level of decadence that is willfully blind to the reality of factory farms and slaughterhouses, environments by which most people would be visually and auditorily gut-wrenched and horrified.

>>679830137
yes, seriously you know nothing about the human body. thats how we used to survive and there is multiple cases of people having to survive in modern times like this in extreme situations

>>679816355
Meat IS natural for us you fucking mongoloid

>>679819786
right. Saturated fat, dietary cholesterol and having 5-7 lbs of meat in your gut slows the bodily functions down. It's like shoving a roadblock in your body 3 times a day.

Take that out of the way, and your body functions more efficiently.

>>679819256
being a meat eater and rasied on a farm that raised and breed cattle for the town that we were part of, i can say that you have no idea what the hell your talkiing about. We treat all animals with respect because what good is it to have a life where you do not take good care of it? come australia some time and learn how we do shit.
And its taken you a while to realse the human race is fucked. Theres nothing you can do besides give in to your instincts and actually live a little. We dont deserve anything, nor do we deserve the right to tell others how to live their lives.
And how dare you mock taste of a perfectly grilled pork chop, it's delicious.

>>679816905
Fuck yeah I would.

>>679830098
That is why Vegans live longer than any other dietry group

>>679820132
bullshit broscience.
kill yourself or go research real nutrition.

Vegans are only butthurt because they don't eat bacon

>>679830295
actually fruit is the absolute natural for us...
Still fuck these vegans

>>679816968
You srs faggot?!?

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>>679816355
cause im not a faggot like OP

>>679830360
sauce

>>679817798
You wouldn't need supplements in the first place if you weren't so obsessed about being a special snowflake.
>look at me guys in better than you I don't eat meat look guys I'm better than you I'm special meat is murder I'm special

>>679817140
Have you ever been out of the city before?

>>679830360
Everyone makes that claim about their own dietry choice

>>679816355
Because I live with people who are not. Reasonable?

>>679830448
We're omnivorous. We eat whatever the fuck we can eat. It's not exclusive to fruits.

>>679830154
http://www.wcrf-uk.org/uk/preventing-cancer/ways-reduce-cancer-risk/red-and-processed-meat-and-cancer-prevention

Turkey season starts today

Vegans cannot be trusted in regards to nutrition as they simply cannot get past their biases

>>679816355
Iunno

>>679820227
We have the CAPABILITY of being omnivores, sure. Doesn't mean our body can process it and sure as shit doesn't mean we should eat it DAY IN DAY FUCKING OUT like the vast majority of the modern world.

Being capable of omnivorous consumption and actually BEING an omnivore are two completely separate things.

Humans are just flexible.

Also, no. Cooking food is what allowed us to extract more nutrients from what we ate (meat or veggies). THAT is what contributed to brain development and continual evolution over time.

B12 IS NOT IN MEAT BY DEFAULT. goddamn how retarded are you.

>>679830320
>Saturated fat, dietary cholesterol and having 5-7 lbs of meat in your gut slows the bodily functions down
kek, sauce. Cooked meat is easily digested...and actually fiber is not. Cellulose is not, inulin, pectin, are not easily digested.

Protip learn some biochemistry

>>679830360
Have you ever seen a vegan? I've seen people with cancer that look healthier. Vegans look bulimic, you could snap them in half by just looking at them.

>>679820340
complete bullshit, has been disproven many, many times.

Appeal to nature fallacy.

>>679816355
I think because of this
http://1312484.igenapps.com/go-figure#0

>>679830748
Red meat, like all food is only harmful if it is of poor quality, it's been proven that grass fed beef is healthy

>>679827846
lol birth control won't solve man-made climate change

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maybe because...

>>679830684
i was refering to that we were frugivores before we became actual omnivores i.e. before we were humans...
Take it how you will

>>679830525
http://prime.peta.org/2012/11/longer

>>679830360
Vegans are less likely to drink alcohol, do drugs, and smoke. All factor in to living longer. Correlation does not mean fact.

>>679830856
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>I'm mad so I'm going to write a bunch of nonsense
Our large intensities are primarily used for the digestion of meat. We have canines. B12 is found in meat naturally but a lot of farms do give supplements to increase the amount.

>>679830856
>we have the CAPABILITY of being omnivores
>
Being capable of omnivorous consumption and actually BEING an omnivore are two completely separate things

Kek, no they are not different

>B12 IS NOT IN MEAT BY DEFAULT.
you are right its not,

NOT ALL B12 CREATED BY ORGANISMS CAN BE USED BY HUMANS

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10552882
(posting this link for a third time now)

goddamn how retarded are you

Because it bores me. I've been vegan before and all it did was limit my options and prove to be a fucking hindrance in my day to day life. And that saving the world is bullshit too so dont believe in that the only reason i used to be vegan was mainly for health (albeit iodine deficiency took a toll on me)

>>679830583
http://prime.peta.org/2012/11/longer

>>679817716
Advanced? Herbivore? Do you not see the fucking irony in your words. Has there ever been a vegan society that has ever made an impact on history? Any vegan civilizations that mattered? Fuck no there isn't so gtfo with your weak ass arguments

>>679821528
probably because you already have a shit diet man.

>>679830967
>Marx debunked nature YEARS AGO!

>>679830856
How stupid can you be? I mean seriously.
http://education.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/omnivore/
Fucking idiot vegans arguing human beings are not omnivores, lols

>>679821764
great. Eat sentient beings because they taste good, and fuck all to the 100+ reasons not to eat meat.

You sir are truly an evolved human.

>>679830893
Could you snap Nate Diaz in half?

>>679816355
I Tried. but not because meat farms hurt planet, but because it is healthy.
>was eating meat and diary
>a supreme lack of iron occured
>started a vegan diet, continued for a month
>feeling amazing

But my exams are coming and I don't have enought time for food preparation. plus in my country being vegan is expensive AF. So I'll keep it low until summer starts.

Why I decided that being vegan is healthy - animals get everything that they need from grass.
we can get it too.
Eating diary is unnatural
Vegans live longer. + most vegans lead a healthier lifestyle. They age slower. Their skin is amazing
My oppinion ^

>>679831257
wrong reply dude?

>>679816355
because i don't feel the need to post that i'm a faggot on in every social media

>>679831422
I got no fuckin clue who that is m8. The vegans with muscles look like they take steroids, they have muscles where they shouldn't have any. Look at vegan gains, his muscles are fucked.

>>679831422
any one could snap a faggot

>>679816355
Because i really really like eating meat eggs and cheese

>>679825130
I literally stopped in a day. Only thing I miss is cheese, eggs and butter. and thats taste only.

>>679831493
You primarily get iron from red meat m8.

>>679831169
You are changing the argument, I never said not to factor in those things I said we live longer, but if you want to argue liked that then vegans are less likely to do those things because they take care of thier bodies and one way they take care of their bodies is by not eating food that is bad for them eg meat/dairy/processed garbage

>>679831405
There's plenty of good reasons to eat meat. You obviously haven't given it up %100 yet. Cock counts as meat faggot

>>679825497
You're an ignorant fuck and this is why genocide wasn't such a bad idea after. Hitler was a pretty cool guy I guess.

BUT, at least you're honest.

>>679831109
>>679831252

>http://prime.peta.org/2012/11/longer
peta
nice biased and non-peer reviewed resource. Notice how every link to a source they claim is not a scientific paper?

try again, like something that uses unbiased research, like a scientific journal

>>679816355
Eating meat is a part of my culture you racist.

Because of how preachy you fucking special snowflakes are. Shut the fuck up and eat whatever you want to eat; let others do the same.

>>679826763
can't have both then my nig.

beacuse i like bacon nuff said really

>>679831780
Well your ignorance is no argument, there are a few top athletes that are vegan and even a few of my family members are vegan and overweight, not eating meat means fuck all about being dying looking

>>679816355
I tried being vegan9stopped because my exams are coming. and vegan food prep takes a lot of time) because it's healthy. not because it helps planet. Plus a lot of vegan believes are utter bs (f.e. cows are not impregnated to give milks. And bees farming is necesary to cope with our plantations)

>Was eating meat + diary other bs
>Iron deficiency
>started following a vegan diet for a month
>feeling amazing

Plus vegans are more likely to follow a healthy life style. They age slower, their skin is amazing. They live longer

>>679828768
Fiber is a double-edged sword thats for sure :)

but at least my farts no longer smell like a rotting corpse because, you know...when I ate meat, a rotting corpse was in my intestines for 24-72 hours.

>>679832417
>a minority of vegans aren't skeletons so being vegan has nothing to do with looking like a walking talking corpse even if the majority of them look like death

>>679832590
+ no more constipation. And farts smell like butterflies

>>679832066
Why don't you do your own research you fucking creature, I just used google and clicked the top link, why do I give a fuck about how ignorant you are? Its not my job to teach useless cunts on the Internet

>>679831952

There are literally no good reasons to eat meat in a situation where you can get all of the nutrition you need from plant based sources.

It's like a country existing during a time of peace but mass producing weapons and tranport vehicles for a war that ended 100 years ago.

It's just ignorant and unnecessary, not to mention harmful.

>>679832925
>uses biased link
>over reacts fake outrage to try and damage control

>>679832733
Fair enough

>>679831932
nope. false.

Legumes: lentils, soybeans, tofu, tempeh, lima beans Grains: quinoa, fortified cereals, brown rice, oatmeal Nuts and seeds: pumpkin, squash, pine, pistacio, sunflower, cashews, unhulled sesame Vegetables: tomato sauce, Kale, swiss chard, collard greens, Other: blackstrap molasses, prune juice -

>>679832925
kek, awe is copy and paste too hard? Maybe if you had some bioactive B12 your brain could process and complete that difficult task

>>679832977
You can't get all the nutrition you need from plants though you moron. Quit acting like animals give a shit if they die. They probably don't even fucking know what death is. All animals live for is to eat, sleep, and fuck.

>>679833082
>uses green text as has been outsmarted by do gooder bean eater