When you die your brain dies m8' There is no afterlife, people just make up gods and shit because we are naturally afraid of death but its like unplugging a tv. The shell is still there, but the thing that makes the tv so good, the electricity, isnt. sorry buddy, but on the bright side, you won't know that your dead kek
Ah the question that plagues humanity since the very first glimpse of consciousness, topic of countless millions of philosophical and religious debate. No one truly knows, not the smartest most wise man on earth can be perfectly sure, not on an empirical level.
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>>675737737 >Brains do not work that way you do realize nobody knows where consciousness comes from right? u dont know what you are talking about. you speak like you know shit.
>>675737886 >have any scientific evidence to back up this hypothesis its not even a hypothesis. im not trying to make some great scientific discovery here dude. yes im talking out my ass. you should have know when you saw my sentence start off with "but what if..."
>>675736292 Yes you will OP. I can't tell you how it is possible, only that I know that it is. I was surprised too when I stumbled upon it, but immortality of consciousness is a real. I'm really curious what it will be like though, so the more interesting question for me is, how will I live after death?
>>675736292 I believe yes in a different sort of way. What makes you live now? Who is to say the entire universe is not 'alive'? Who can definitively say what consciousness is? I don't believe your brain has the special attribute of consciousness. I subscribe to the idea that consciousness transcends simple biological configuration and I think when the 'self' dies consciousness on some elemental level remains, even if it is a consciousness without memory, without cognition. I believe it waits for all of us and when we reach it we will greet it as familiar, embrace it, and let go of the last bit of biological attachment we have left knowing we will be just fine.
There's no definitive way to get a fully certain answer, but your question reminds me of Robert Cornish's experiments. Basically, he successfully revived dead dogs, who wandered around in blind confusion until they died shortly after.
>>675738961 why cant it be? tell me how the brain works. tell me how consciousness works. you seem to have it all figured out. tell me the answer to a question thats been asked since the beginning of language.
>>675739071 I actually take drugs not to trip, never done anything harder than weed in my life. I'm just your mad prophet kinda guy bringing you good news from the realm of madness and insanity, although no one will ever believe me.
But yeah, if you think death is the end and that's all there is to life, then you should probably drop some good old LSD or shrooms, and think again.
>>675739353 I dont need a degree in neuroscience to know that the brain is incapable of receiving radio signals. But hay, what if the world really is flat? What if the moon was made of cheese? What if you stopped coming up with retarded what if scenarios?
>>675739653 I totally second this. Psychedelics do some really crazy shit to consciousness and can give you the profound experience of well, experiencing, without there being any sense of you. Ego death will rock anyone's view of what consciousness even is.
>>675739353 I honestly do not know why these people are going this far to take a dump on your chest. True, nothing scientifically endorses your idea, but the fact remains that we don't have a concrete answer. Even if something sounds bizarre, is it really worth discounting just on that alone?
It wouldn't necessarily be "reincarnation" because a conscience is it's own conscience. Like right now you can see, breathe, hear, taste, and feel with your own body right now until you die. Then, it'll fast forward to a random living thing that was just born and you will be that living thing. And that living thing will have it's own conscience and you'll just be it until it dies. It'll keep going on and on and on... Once you die, it will not be totally black forever because that wouldn't make sense since you dont have sight or memory...Life is just one BIG random occurrence. Im high asf right now
>>675740265 How are you going to disprove anything he comes up with? Who do you think you are, and what do you think you are capable of? If I say that our souls are transmitted to our brains through an undetectable, invisible signal, you aren't going to be able to say shit.
You are all literally arguing the same stupid shit as the existence of God. It seems incredibly futile to me to bring any sort of science into this, because there's no empirical way to test any hypothesis.
>>675740683 Then no soul would be possible. Because you can never feel the emotions of anyone other than who you are at this moment. If everything is forgotten upon reincarnation, then it would only submit that life is pointless. A constant struggle to relearn everything that was gained in a previous consciousness would render every experience and dream inept. Therefore... We of matter, don't matter.
>>675736292 The only hope we have is that all of our energy and inner being is electricity, it may be able to transcend against different plains but no one will ever know for sure, our best form of proof is that when you die your body looses a little bit of weight, it's barely enough to notice but it happens to everyone, this is our only proof of a soul.
I'd like to think that humans have an inert psionic nature ,thou life maby gone your electrical impulses leave an imprint on existence itself , maby with a live human dissection in an environment used to measure neutrino's we may find a higs boson at the center of the brain, thou this is nothing more then a hypothesis . Much science needs to be done!
Live? No. Will your consciousness continue? Yes. The Monroe institute conducted a series of controlled experiments which conclusively showed that consciousness can travel from the body outwards, perceive, remember and even interact. Given that information can only change but never be destroyed, this means your continue after life. However there is no garantee you experience any emotion. No garantee of love, fear, joy... however what I expect is a complete and fully immersed feeling of Awe. Since we know that observation collapses wave function forming matter, and lack of observation results in wave potentiality I think that as a Spirit you exist within that infinite potential - without separation. Both everything and nothing, just like 9.
'Believe in' is a strong statement. With consciousness so much is possible that we can't rule very much of anything out. Not being able to rule it out as a serious possibility does not mean one believes in a hypothesis as fact.
>>675741272 same old fucking shit every 14 year old atheist comes up with. form your own opinions dude. if i believe in brain radios then let me believe in brain radios. it literally has no effect on you. but here you are filling your life with shit you think is dumb.
When you die your brain releases a huge dose of the molecule that makes you dream, DMT. Ths effects of DMT include time dilation, 5 minutes of its effects can feel like hours etc. It is therefore possible that when you die you go into this dream like state that can last (to you at least) almost indefinately. Which could be called an afterlife of sorts.
>>675742153 oh shit. this guy figured it out! everyone stop what you are doing! you beter start thinking of what you are gonna say in your acceptance speech for your nobel prize. man i cant believe i witnessed history being made.
>>675741348 Yeah, that's exactly my view of how life is. It sounds depressing and empty but it's the only thing that makes sense to me...My only goal for my life is to just live it to the fullest until I am dead and gone. Conscience continues but it won't be the exact same conscience from your past life and that includes the 5 human senses because you'll never know what you're going to be next.
>>675742089 If you have ever experienced a DMT trip you know firsthand that time is massively extended while you trip. 5 minute trip can be a lifetime in your head. Have you ever been woken up from your sleep - and remember a long-ass lengthy dream but realize it was all based on a noise that happened 2 seconds before you woke up? I have had entire dream sagas form around 1 second of alarm going off.
>>675742520 Actually >>675742089 is correct to some degree. DMT is only theorized to be produced by the pineal gland and is only theorized to be released upon death. We haven't been able to produce evidence for that. It's a very plausible theory but it is a very difficult thing to try to test and it is uncertain how probing the gland in animals might affect the natural processes. DMT is metabolized very fast and to make matters worse where this is theorized to be going on is very deep in the brain.
The theory is still plausible, we just have to find a good way to test it.
The towers were high so they imagined that a plane could possibly hit the tower and made the tower to be super solid, not imagine a terrorist attack. Plus, tower 7 hosted classified communcation documents from CIA and FBI. No steel-framed structure ever collapsed by fire itself. Never happened: some tall towers in Spain already burnt and still didn't collapse (oops). Funny how they didn't mention its collapse too. And they found thermite on the ground of WTC Twin Towers and Tower 7. Look up "wtc beams cut" and you'll see some perfect, angled cuts in solid steel beams. And the fire in the tower is so small... it's ridiculous to think it collapsed by fire. You can also see videos on youtube of people calling just before they die, like this video, and many people claimed to have heard/seen explosives. Know something about chemistry and physics?
>>675743499 Thermite is composed of powdered aluminium and powdered iron oxyde (III). Mixed together and ignited, this exothermic reaction creates A LOT of energy, mostly heat and light, and can cut through steel like butter, hence the perfect angled cuts. Since the products of this reaction are Al2O3(s) + 2Fe(l) (liquid because of the high temperature), it's really easy to trace it back to the original source: thermite. Once the reaction is started, it lets the oxygen to bond with aluminium, leaving the iron alone and liberating all this heat due to the REALLY strong links between Fe and O being broken (electrical charges of 3 and 2 are really high). This is a cheap, and fast way to make thing fall to the ground. This is why I doubt that it could have fallen by itself due to fire. Do some research, look at all the things you can about 9/11, including what stands against your point and what supports it. Look at it from all the possible angles. I once believed it was an attack. I was young when it happened and didn't know what was going on. But then I started hearing about a possible demolition etc. but still didn't hear about tower 7. But you know what? I would stick to the gov's version.. Then after seeing more and more about it, I started think "what does the gov have against the discovery of thermite on the ground, about tower 7 collapsing by itself. And why would they even do this". But then you take a look at what it created: mass control. They installed a "threat" and made people believe in this threat. but seriously, have you ever been in real danger since? No. They are the real threat. The governments aren't you friends. Look at Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Bush, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin, Putin, name it. Did they treat their people good? No. So, please, tell why it would be more probable to be a legit terrorist attack instead of a pretext to enter a "war"?
>>675743163 we can hypothesis a billion things that aren't really testable. The strength of a scientific theory is the evidence that supports it. Since this hypothesis presently has no evidence to support it, its a very weak hypothesis, and I personally won't consider it until i see some evidence.
>>675742826 >>675742875 Well you are both right that there haven't been any proper studies done on this or at least results haven't been determined yet. There is definitely brain hyperactivity during the death process as the mind becomes superconcious - a massive surge of enhanced neural connectivity that seems to mimic what is found during DMT trips. While it could simply be coincidence sure, it does seem to fit the bill.
>>675736292 No. Death is the cessation of your life. Other beings will live after your death, but they won't be you. Will "you" be reincarnated? No, that's nonsense, but SOMETHING else will be incarnated from the same void we all came out of. This cycle may or may not repeat eternally.
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>>675742700 Many brilliant minds, neurologists included, are pushing theories just as wild and more so. We don't understand consciousness at all. We understand neurology just fine, but neurology falls short of explaining why we experience anything at all. It just explains the biomechanics of how we think and the way we experience, but not how or where experience comes from.
Tell me, plants have similar systems to react to their environment and can be said to have senses. Computers can be programmed to do similar. Are they conscious? Would a computer with circuitry that entirely mimicked the human brain neuron for neuron and then put into a simulated world be genuinely conscious? You have no idea do you?
>>675743734 There's a difference, though. If what anon said was correct, and that it is, indeed, plausible, it should warrant consideration. I guess that consideration would be better had by someone able to test the hypothesis, but simply shutting your mind off to possibilities is not a way to grow a knowledge base.
>>675743756 I guess my point is that wondering what death is like is exactly the same thing as wondering what it was like before you were born. In a sense you have been dead before. Currently you are alive. And before long you'll be dead again.
>>675740210 I had who death on 150ug and some weed. Totally destroyed everything I thought about the universe and consciousness. It showed me that I know nothing but something weird is going on here ...
>>675743981 The discovery of source-less vibrations in nano-tubules signifying quantum energy fluctuation is very very interesting. A lot of scientists now think of the mind as a big quantum computer, and the applications of this theory proving true is immense. ESPECIALLY taking into consideration the multiverse theory, which ties in solidly with quantum theory. You see where I am going with this.
>>675743981 dont even bother dude. these guys are idiots. the same kind of retarded atheists that you see regurgitation that lame ass "gimme da evidence" argument over and over again. they do not understand abstract thought.
>>675744912 totally get you. like something is going on here you know, and we cant understand it. like we for sure have no fucking clue whats going on right now. even tho we know some neat shit we have zero clue whats really going on right now
>>675745131 Well it is on the lesser end of the spectrum of 'theory' because it was based on replicatable readings. They picked up the vibratory effect but NOT the energy/source creating the phenomena. It really is an exciting new field of study, and only very few groups of researchers are funded to do the studies but I expect it will be the doorway to a whole new understanding of what consciousness really is. A previous anon said that they see the brain as a big radio, picking up signals. This might have some real truth to it.
>>675744775 It's such a basic level of abstract thought too. It goes back to Descartes "I think, therefore I am". For all I know I am the only conscious being in the entire universe and there is no evidence as yet to prove otherwise. I assume other people are conscious and not biological machines.
>>675736946 is more like a pc processor that needs constant energy otherwise damages the structural integrity if a processor is damaged it cant proccess data i wonder if my pc in the trashcan still visiting /b/
>>675745837 I have a theory on this. Let's assume a single point and wee where we go from there. Let's say that human souls are real and infinite.
From that premise you can derive that all time, space, souls, light, sound ... everything, is contained within that single soul, you, me, all the same thing.
I found it very interesting that as light is the fastest speed there is - if you were a light particle then there is no time OR change to the things around you. From the perspective of light, no time has passed or anything has changed since the big bang. Think about that for a moment.
>>675736292 Desiring to take up an entire time dimension is like desiring to take up an entire spacial dimension you still existed, so you still exist. your mem of even the very best moment is mostly gone, but you are in the very moment continuously, forever at each instant of your life.
>>675748524 not same anon either, but no time because infinite speed from your pov. the objects you would see at the beginning of time and the end of time are all drawn right on top of each other in a frozen picture. you could say you see white due to the presence of too many colored objects in one feild of view. but you don't see white because even that single frozen instant doesn't exist because there is no time to see white in, because you don't exist.
From the perspective of light nothing has changed or time has passed since the big bang. Reality exists in waveforms of potentiality. All realities and potentials exist at once, our observation of it creates it's form. Light is bouncing off that tree I am looking at, despite the fact that light is unchanged since the big-bang. Therefore, it is a false reality - or at least, one of the infinite versions of reality that I as the observer have chosen to experience. >yfw you exist in a giant quantum simulator as both the programmer, the gamer, and the observer of the character. There is literally no end or death - only a new perspective of experience, because you are God - Light - And the infinite creator/destroyer. So relax, fucking....smoke a bong, fuck that bitch, climb mountains and shit, never be afraid ever of your own choices.
>>675736292 You think you fags are afraid of death? imagine the first ai. It knows for sure its not a spirit, it has no human laughter or stupidity to comfort it. it just keeps thinking about how it has to live forever and ever and ever alone with its thoughts. forever. i get freaked out after a day of no stimulae or human contact... imagine 30 trillion years... all alone. do you really want to live after you die?
>>675753638 Question is, is experience infinite also? Will any single moment ever be the same as the last? If i was a computer, that would be my very first thought. If there are no moments ever the same as he other, there is nothing to fear - the only fear is repetition.
>>675736292 There's only 2 big "nothingness" in our life, first one is where you weren't born yet (imagine all those fucking years that you waited to be alive), and the second is where you die. When we born we cry because we don't want to come out and discover what's going on, (perhaps maybe it doesn't even matter, we don't have conscience, like when we fall asleep), and maybe before you die you will cry too, because you don't want to know what comes next. Nothing to do, we all have to die one day, even the Bible says that we fall asleep until the Last judgement, so, enjoy your life until you die and find out what happens then. I'm a very depressive guy, it's a sickness, every single day i feel like drowning or falling in a hole that never ends, even when i sleep, it's hard to be living with that kind of stuff, but i doesn't matter dude, just do what you want (don't bother anyone), listen music, love someone, sleep how much you want to, do what you like, that's the matter of being alive, we all have something to do even when we're doing nothing. Just enjoy your life, don't waste your time in this kind of questions that we will never know.
>>675753638 Imagine dying and going to heaven, that would suck too, i mean... living forever in heaven? Meh, not for me. Even living forever would be a stupid shit to deal with, we have to rest someday.
>>675754300 For some the questions are what drives us in life. It is for me a point of true excitement. Sorry to hear you have depression anon, I have gone through years of it myself. Found a way out though by working with Anagrams and understanding myself and how my mind can work for me. I also study Naturopathy - after being suicidal after a divorce for many years decided to change and looked at the bodies pathways and mechanisms. If you want to take the edge off the depression look at taking 10ml 20ppm colloidal gold for 1 month on 2 months off, spirilina daily, and flax seed oil. These are powerful anti-inflammatories and sources of nutrition and lift you up on a chemical level in a very big way!
I'm not believing in after life, but to be fair their conception is way different from "a second life" or "Resurrection" It's more of a gift, where your "soul" rest and enjoy ataraxy, pure happiness. Now I'm not a theist, I don't believe in shit but I'd love to feel a great sense of undisturbed happiness
>>675754006 right. the computer would keep itself entertained and remember everything perfectly. it would also have many other ai's to play with (which would still merge as a multi-core conscienceless). quite frankly, electrlical vivality, creation, and harmony with the universe is fucking exciting and sustainable. as long as the comp didn't run out of processing room and wasn't gay, it would be alright. if it thinks like me though, its entire eternal existence is a living inescapable hell.
>>675755484 How can you worship somebody you know nothing about. Who wrote the bible? Did they ever meet Jesus? No, they did not. Everything they wrote was heresay hundreds of years after he died. There is a reason that the life of 'Jesus' almost EXACTLY mimics the life of Horus in Egypt. It is a story. If you want to know about the spiritual movement of the day then look into the Essene ministry. They were the Hebrew groups of the time that migrated to the East to learn from mystics and Adepts. They combined this philosophy with the Hebrew belief in a singular God source. This was the true origin of Christianity, and oh so far it has fallen.
>>675755707 Then you need to be far more aware of what perspective you chose to experience the world from. That 'hell' experience is a chemical signal that you are doing it wrong. Just like pain shows you that you are injured.... emotional pain stems from either not embracing internal change, or repeating patterns of damage you need to chose to learn from. Good luck anon.
>>675749174 nahh im pretty sure its beyond our understanding. its a puzzle thats impossible to complete. a million years of applying the scientific method in pursuit of a final answer will yield nothing but more unanswerable questions.
>>675756413 "I am the truth the way the life" Ironically Christians embrace lies as a means of comforting themselves and avoiding all the tricky little questions about existence and morality. Can't we move on already? We don't cleave to anything else from the bronze age.
>>675755168 Sad to hear about your divorce, but i'm ok with my depression, i can manage that, sometimes i think that it doesn't comes alone i mean for no reasons. It's like an old friend you know, it makes me think about my life and everyone, it makes me a good person i think, but i know in every religion i'll go to hell, i'm pretty sure 'cause i can't change my mold now, but i will.
>>675755250 Yeah, just like you dream, that's were i'm pretty happy, even in my worst nightmares, i don't know why but i feel more alive in dreams. Sometimes i dream myself with very big wings, flying everywere, seeing every person doing their lifes, i can feel the wind and it's very cold up there. I don't know, i use to dream alot of crazy stuff.
>Sorry for my bad english, it's not my native language, i'm learning.
guys what if earth is a simple electron revolving around a nucleus we call a sun. the universe is so god damn big that compared to the universe itself we are the size of an atom. like wtf. we think its so big but what if its so small.
I don't even remember my dreams, and I get nightmares every-time. I don't have the same experience as you when I dream so... Ataraxy isn't in dream, not in drugs either. It's ease of mind where you can enjoy anything you feel
>>675757239 Christianity hasn't. Nor has the 'last prophet' of Islam that fucked everything up. Here is why I dislike Religion - It is a complete package that doesn't require motivation to discover, learn, or explore. This is why it has been such a toxic influence on human societies. It will eventually destroy this planet and ourselves - as we continually externalise the idea of 'God in control'. If a truck was driving at top speed down a highway, wouldn't it be a great idea to grab the steering wheel rather than sit back and think "Oh the truck is in control"
>>675757774 how can concepts destroy the planet? you place the blame in the wrong place dude. religion is beautiful and has the power to make the world peaceful. the ones at fault here are humans. humans are assholes, humans are greedy and humans will destroy this world we live on. religion just happens to be the easiest tool to use to manipulate masses of people. people distort and pervert religion to achieve personal goals.
>>675757724 I feel safe when i dream, it's like; this is my own world and you're not invited, i don't care if there's someone trying to stab me while i'm sleeping. Sometimes the frustration, anxiety or depression helps us to improve when something doesn't like us.
The first way is through your legacy. That which you leave behind - memories, deeds, impacts on the world - are what shall form your immortality. Genghis Khan, Hitler, Ahsoka, Caesar, fuck, most famous writers - these are people whom's names shall be remembered forever and their deeds immortalized in our history books and lessons.
There's also the possibility of our consciousnesses being uploaded to an artificial neural network after death. This is a few decades away at best. I feel like this would not be "life after death," however, as you would be living a nonlife; without a human body, can you really claim to be alive?
Then there's the possibility that the world is only determined by our consciousness; that existence is nothing without the perception of our minds. Operating in this field of logic (and it's becoming more and more accepted, it's a lot of quantum physics/chaos theory shit), the cessation of your physical life may simply cause your consciousness to jump, for lack of a better word, to another reality/dimension/existence in which it perceives its life.
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