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Any pilots/ aircraft experts here? Just spoke to someone on

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Any pilots/ aircraft experts here?

Just spoke to someone on the train claiming to be an expert in aviation and he told me that German airlines crash earlier today was actually the result of technology that was designed to save lives...

He was telling me that modern aircraft have systems in place that will lower the aircraft's altitude if the cabin de pressurizes.

He believed that the German air disaster today was the result of a cabin de-pressurization, and the aircraft lowering it's altitude to a breathable height. But the system didn't take in to account the mountain terrain of the alps, hence sending the aircraft straight in to a mountain while the crew was unconscious from lack of oxygen.

He said that another possibility is that if they didn't have the pressure safety system, the pilot would have been unconscious, and slumped over pushing the yoke which overrides the auto pilot, sending them straight in to the mountain.

Anyone have any thoughts on what happened?
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>>605756125
You will get no real replies because this happened to Germans. It is God's work, it is God's ethnic cleansing.

Thank you, God.
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The first story sounds like complete bullshit. But I can buy the second one... But why wouldn't it override the pilot and keep it away from the mountain?
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>>605756125

Don't we have a LOT of Airbuses stalling and crashing lately?

Don't we already know it's because the joystick is digital and it gives no visual indication of its stored setting?
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>>605756490
Edgemaster
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The FBI/CSI was behind it
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>>605756490
jidf pls go
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>>605756125
Aircraft mechanic here. Either of those is very unlikely. I don't know of a system that drops the planes altitude in case of a depressurization, and usually pilots are trained to put on O2 masks quickly. So quit being so gullible you fuck.
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>>605757042
saw the live flight data from radar.. they were in a controlled decent, going way too fast to be stalled.
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>>605757261
It is God's work.
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>>605758128
Fuck off
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>>605756125
scenario one is plausible, except all aircraft have whats called a Terrain awareness and warning system, which acts as a ground proximity warning. This would override a depressurization drop.

Scenario two: if the aircraft depressurized, the pilot would most likely secure an oxygen mask, and would most likely be warned before experiencing any type of hypoxia.
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>>605758128
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>>605756125
Implying multi-million dollar aircraft don't use radar altimeter.
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Did anyone notice that the wreckage site looks like someone just dumped tiny pieces of trash all over the place? I couldn't see any piece bigger than perhaps half a meter.
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>>605758409
also it was a controlled descent
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>>605756490
ethnic cleansing of the only hard working disciplined people in Europe.
damn your god is stupid.
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>>605758788

you crash at 800km/h in a plane

in a fast descent even more

there wont be much left of the plane or people at that speed, i mean, have you seen a car crash at 200km/h agaisnt something hard?. no fucking conspiracies here faggot.
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gullable fucker OP... both those stories are bullshit. there are no systems which lower altitude in an aircraft for de pressurization, and you can't just unintentionally fly a modern passenger jet in to a mountain
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>>605756125
Don't think airplanes have these 'safety' devices. If a cabin becomes depressurised, oxygen masks are dropped to allow enough time for the pilot to descend to a safe altitude. Therefore it is the pilot's job to descend the airplane.
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>>605759836
but if there is no control response after the masks drop, then the plane will lower altitude on it's own
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>>605760760
BS
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>>605760760
I still don't think airplanes would do this. If autopilot is engaged and something happens like depressurisation, an alarm would sound to alert the pilot, that would be it.
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>>605758061
there has been at least 2 accidents that i remember where the pilots didn't get their masks on in time

not that i believe depressurization happened here
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>>605760760
Into a mountain?

Look. when shit like this is brainstormed, the first question asked would be, "what if lowering the altitude would cause the plane to run the fuck into something"
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>>605758788
>Did anyone notice that the wreckage site looks like someone just dumped tiny pieces of trash all over the place
i thought this too, it looks way too much like what someone thought a crash should look like after watching too many action films

do we have any photos of the crash site that aren't from mass media?
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>>605761663
someone probably did and got an answer "there's nothing 8000 feet tall"
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> Ctrl-F no "jew"

You disappoint me
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I kind of believe the auto drop altitude story. Look how it flattens out for about a minute before the crash at about 7k feet. >>605758125
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>Lust spoke to someone on the train claiming to be an expert in aviation and he told me that

I'm as young and gullible as they come.

Anyone have any thoughts?
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Honestly I think it is just a failure in checking the plane systems. I don't think the actual flight systems have anything to do with it but rather something critical broke or failed. I don't know shit about airplanes but from what I read.
Please enlighten me
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>>605762339
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>>605756125
>yoke
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>>605762138
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>>605764854
good thing she was strapped in
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>>605762773
thats like 10 seconds and it's probably just predicted behaviour from the radar
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>>605762339
haha whats the sauce of the gif lel
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>>605765220
Also strapped, seatbelts save lives
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>>605765547
well thats still under half a meter haha
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This was heard playing over the radio shortly before it disappeared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-Nrek3VUE
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>>605765547
>still seatbelted in
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>>605761663

This.

There's mountains all over the world. This would be their first thought.

Designing a system like this would be like car makers designing a system that automatically stops a car instantly wherever it is if the brakes fail. Because you know, there's no such things as train tracks, or, highway lanes where people drive 80 Mph.
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>>605762773
When they lose contact the program will hold that last altitude for a few seconds before contact is officially broken
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>>605764854
>>605765547
the plane in that accident was relatively intact though. almost looks as if it was not far from survivable for one or a few lucky people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
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>>605760760

The theory with the missing Malaysia airlines flight is that whoever took the plane off course depressurised the cabin to render everyone unconscious. In that case, autopilot kept flying the plane where it was told to go, until. The plane ultimately ran out of fuel.
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Something that really pisses me off is that people inside the planes actually film the crashes, but no one bothers picked up the broken phones to get the video data off the chips. I guarantee that people would have filmed from inside the planes and I guarantee that the chips with the stored video would have survived.
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>>605762138
Haven't you seen the video of the jet being flown straight into a concrete wall? The thing gets fucking pulverized.
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>>605766491
How far is not far?
Posting bcuz same deal- plane hits terrain at high speed
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>>605766882

The phones my be impossible to find in the debris, especially if there's a fire.

This is the real world. Not make believe movies, like where they find the undamaged passports of terrorists after 2 planes crash, and burn and 3 buildings collapse.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUg42rTricw
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IT guy here.. I'd need the logs before I can comment.
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maybe someone did not turn off his/her phone...
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>>605767039
well i don't know but 4 people surived and 520 died in this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123
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I have a degree in flight technology, I can describe pretty much all of the high tech instrumentation in any airliner flying today, down to which circuit it's found on and which circuit its backup is on. I have never heard of any system that will automatically fly an airplane to a safer altitude in the event of a depressurization.

A plane's autopilot system typically deactivates in the event of irregular flight conditions (usually like the loss of a pitot-static tube reading which would result in the loss of an airspeed indication). As mentioned earlier, there are systems in the cockpit that alert the pilots of depressurization/loss of oxygen, and pilots are very well trained when it comes to donning masks in time, masks are intentionally placed close to pilots to minimize the time required to attain them. Additionally, airliners are equipped with a ground proximity warning systems which have aural and visual warnings which are unique to any other warnings as not to confuse the pilots.

I don't know anything about this particular incident as I have not read anything about it yet, but I can definitely tell you that the plane did not autopilot itself to a lower altitude simply because it knew it needed to get to an altitude with more oxygen (below 10,000 ft). It may be possible (though very unlikely) that the plane was in autopilot at the time of crash, but if it was, it was certainly not because of some fictitious feature like an automatic piloting mechanism assuming control of the airplane.
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>>605756125
Elevator jackscrew sheared off I reckon, sticking the plane in a steady downward trajectory. Its happened before with Alaska Airlines Flight 261. Pilots were probably too busy trying to rectify the situation to send out an emergency response and didn't see the mountains through cloud.
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>>605768393
What? Are you offended that it crashed? It crashed, the media reported it crashed, the whole world knows its crashed. Stop being such a sensitive douche this is the reason why people are so stupid nowadays. NOT TALKING ABOUT IT DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING
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>>605767877
>Alaska Airlines Flight 261
nasty accident. the flight recorder transcript is terrifying. at one point they were literally flying upside down. imagine being a passenger

>16:19:43 F/O: Mayday
>16:19:49 CAPT: Push and roll, push and roll.
>16:19:54 CAPT: Ok, we are inverted...and now we gotta get it.
>16:20:04 CAPT: Push push push...push the blue side up.
>16:20:16 CAPT: Ok now lets kick rudder...left rudder left rudder.
>16:20:18 F/O: I can't reach it.
>16:20:20 CAPT: Ok right rudder...right rudder.
>16:20:38 CAPT: Gotta get it over again...at least upside down we're flying.

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cvr000131.htm

sadly couldn't find actual audio
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>>605768654

I'm offend by the word they used. Thus is 2015. Not 1950. Show some respect!

The plane is existing impared.
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>>605768977
You AVI-Scum!

Its Non-existing trans stateformed. Stop being so fucking privileged.
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>>605765470
Don't ask me which event but it's most definitely from a UFC weigh-in, Brittany Palmer is the girl and that's Joe Rogan the commentator.
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>>605769221

The plane was Earth-kin and transformed into it's real state.

Check your privilege cis scum.
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As someone who flys these - there is no system that will automatically descend the aircraft in the event of depressurisation.

However if it was an explosive decompression the time of useful consciousness at that altitude is 15-20 secs. It is feasible that pilot incapacitation played a part in this, but only after they initiated the descent.
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>'Fire rising' from the plane
>Last moments of passengers were said to be 'extremely painful'
>Germanwing flight 4U 9525 crashed
>With 'no survivors'
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>>605756125

in a loss of cabin pressure, the pilots have personal tanks that last much longer than the passenger oxygen, which lasts roughly 60-70 seconds. the pilot could have countered the autopilot by pulling back on the yolk, leveling the plane knowing he was over the alps.
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>>605769931
Wut
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>>605769475
Everyday
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>>605769799
looks like controlled descent to me. nice dubs btw
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>>605769657

>claims to fly planes
>can't even spell flies
>assumes explosive decompression
>no evidence plane wasn't fully intact at impact
>assumes pilot would initiate nose Dave before becoming unconscious

I'm not even sure you've seen a plane, let alone flown one.
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>>605768705
Yep, pretty scary. And this airbus was pretty old at the time of the crash so poor maintenance may have been a factor.
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Depressurisation occurrs.
Pilots oxygen does not function. (Very feasible)
Pilot descends, as to breathe some sweet oxygen rich air below.
Too slow pilot, you're hypoxic already.
Crash.
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Pilot here: it's strange to see that they held the airspeed up. The descent profile actually looks fairly normal, just very steep, as if it had a dual engine failure. However, the airspeed continues to hover around 400 knots, well above the airplane's best glide speed. It's possible that the data came from the ADS-B transmitter and I believe that's a very accurate source of ground speed at least.
If I had to guess at this point, there was a fire or emergency which forced the pilots to try to get on the ground ASAP, but something else must have gone wrong to prevent them from making it to an airport. Maybe the fire burned through hydraulics or wiring harnesses. It will be interesting to see the report results.
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>>605770014
>pilot can be heard in his last moments: 'I have control of the aircraft'
>flight engineer: 'DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE IN CONTROL....?'
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>>605769991
>60-70 seconds
wut?
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>>605770449
Niggers can't spell rape, pillage, or plunder, but they are exceedingly good at all of those
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>>605770630
WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS INFO
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>>605766882
Yes because; we're all about to die so let's film it
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I saw the pictures, doesnt seem to have exploded
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>>605770854

No they're not. The victims are all asking for it, so it's an easy job.
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>>605756490
Halt deine Fresse du dummer Hurensohn, danke.
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>>605756490

nigger
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>>605756490
you must be jew here
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>>605770930
It doesnt matter where I got this information from.
What matters is our purpose.
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>>605771053
this
with our tolerant world
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Boeing>Airbus
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>>605770958
>Final seconds of life
>I should film this

Also its unlikely that people could see out the window and now exactly when the impact was coming or if it was at all, maybe the pilots said nothing and people assumed they would make an emergency landing at an airport and then BAM.

Most of the passengers on an airplane cant even see out the windows, plus if its cloudy.
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>>605756125
There's no autosystem that will bring the plane down.
We have an emergency procedure where we do a rapid descent to 10,000' to breathable air.
It looks like they did this but lost situational awareness of where the terrain is.
Still doesn't explain why they went below 10,000 - the minimum safe altitude in that area was 15,000' and why they didn't get any terrain warnings from the aircraft (they probably did get it but it was too late to maneuver away)

777 pilot here (not joking)
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>>605771434

To penetrate and tear the anuses of young loli virgins?
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>>605771434
this is snek

hisssssssssssssss
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>implying jet fuel can depressurize steel beams
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>>605764854
9/10 body, 2/10 face. Would brown bag it.
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>>605756125
Aircraft mechanic here. No such thing exists. They don't allow anything that takes over control from pilots not after that airbus crashed with all the executives on it
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>>605756125
who cares?
germany in majority is muslim
so some terrorists died
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>>605756125

I'm not an ''aviation expert'' but i thought of this to.
Not so difficult if you watch Air Crash Investigation
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>>605771632
does your job get you pussy? any stories of slutty stewardess behavior?
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>>605771632
Serious question dude, coming from a dude that hates flying, even before these recent crashes. Can you see anything in the near future in regards aviation technology that will add extra safety to these fuckers? I know statistically it's more likely to die on the way to the airport blah blah. But jesus, it just seems like such a shitty way to go. And does stuff like this ever make you re-think your career?
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I'm waiting for someone to blame it on Putin
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>>605758788
Official statements said largest debris was the size of a standard car
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>>605770630
No source, move along people
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>>605756125
WAIT A MINUTE!

WHY DON'T THESE LOOK LIKE UA FLIGHT 93?!?!??!?!?!?

HWWAAAHHH????
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>>605770854
No they aren't, they get caught all the time
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>>605766882
And film would show... what? Inside of plane with unconscious people..

WAIT, WHO WAS FILM???
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>>605756125

he wasn't on the internet - can't be an expert...
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>>605766882
>Something that really pisses me off is that people inside the planes actually film the crashes,


Oh? You know this because how?
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so. local ppl in france saw and heard jet-planes in the area.. us have planes on nato-training in the same area...
http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/
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>>605756125
it is true that aircrafts have this automatic system but its just a backup. pilots have those oxygenmasks. Also there is a system called TWS (Terrain Warn System) in place which has a higher priority then the oxygen descend. if it detects an approaching to terrain, itll pull up the aircraft automatically. My guess is they just got into a stall and lost the control.
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>>605771937
>>605764854

>mfw I see she has no face after I taste that sweet booty hole
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>>605756125
Haven't read the thread but I'm an Airbus A320 pilot for an airline in the States. The aircraft won't automatically put itself into an emergency descent, that's a pilot memory item and it is done by disengaging the autopilot.
Not enough info to speculate on what happened yet
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>>605766882
you wont have time for that when a rocket or hit you.
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>>605770630
Imagine dying, and as your final thought:

"That flight engineer is a fucking retar
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>>605772204
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>>605771632
They would have got terrain warnings, but those warnings are so common that the pilots don't really listen to them
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>>605773000
So what?

>inb4 jews, inb4 false-flag
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>>605771504
well, this type of plane has 3 rows of seats on both sides and that's all, nothing inbetween, if you watch a video of the inside, you can clearly see, that the people sitting in the 2 closest rows to the windows can easily see out on the windows if they want, which would be 2/3rd of the passengers
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>>605771632
Reddit thread copypasta. Nice try tho
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please like and share http://desivip.tumblr.com/post/114522217858/stupid-bird-mirror-hilarious-check-out-my
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>>605773191
Forgot to mention...
There is however a known issue with the pitot static system where the airplane thinks it is getting close to stall speed when in reality it isn't. It is reacting to a faulty indication on the airspeed indicator. The aircraft will nose itself down to avoid stalling. In this case the pilots need to force the airplane into alternate law to regain control. This can be done by shutting off two of any redundant flight control computer. So like turning off two of the ADRs. There was an OEB put out about this a few months ago.
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>>605773364
don't care, just hate you americans. :) not a fucking jew.. kisses
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>>605773364
SO, obviously there are not normally any oither planes, so conspiracy.

>Do you even /pol/?
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Putin did it
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>>605758125
>too fast to be stalled
when the nose is pointed upwards at a angle higher then the engines can takeit will indeed go into a stall while taking additional speed because it hastn got enough force to climb at that rate and descends -> the airflow is broken -> stall. Happened a few times, pilots were wonmdering why they were losing altitude and kept pointing the nose upwards - resulting in a crash.
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>ITT:
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>>605772488
I'm not the pilot, I'm the guy with the flight technology degree, but man you sound pretty retarded.

You obviously have no concept of how safe airplanes actually are. It's very rare for a mechanical failure to bring down an airplane these days because they are so well maintained and nothing gets overlooked. Pilots are impeccably trained, they are required to have several thousands of hours of training in their particular aircraft before they are allowed to fly, and they fly numerous simulated emergency situations.

It would take me months to describe to you just how safe airplanes, pilots, and the NAS actually are. You have absolutely nothing to worry about.
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>>605756490
Upset jew confirmed
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i think this is more a story of a ice AoA

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558483-iced-aoa-sensors-send-a321-into-deep-dive.html
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>>605773772
Safest form of travel for a reason
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>>605773507
SO you assume passenegrs who either know they are about to die, or who think everything is fine,are for some reason filming out the windows all the time, recording.. glorious shots of dazzling whit cloud tops, or of dazzling grey cloud interiors.

But yeah assume they are all doing that, why would it matter? What do you expect to learn from a bunch of crappy phone video that shows nothing except, maybe, a half-second of mountainside at the end. We already know they hit a mountain.
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>>605756490
Your argument is false. No jews were in that plane.
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>>605770451
That's not very old for a plane. Also the parts get upgraded regularly so it hasn't much in common with the original plane anyway
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>>605768705
>http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cvr000131.htm
crazy to read dat radio trans
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>>605772533
It will be said it was a terrorist attack by ISIS.

Mark my words.

t. John Kohn errr Kerry
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>>605756490
what the fuck is this "god" everyone is talking about? where can i find him or her? is it a real thing?
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>>605773522
Try me faggot.
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>>605756125
>the pilot would have been unconscious, and slumped over pushing the yoke which overrides the auto pilot, sending them straight in to the mountain.
First, there are two pilots. Second, there is no yoke in the Airbus, it has a sidestick on for each pilot. Third, the crew would have been alerted to a depressurization by the airplane and even if they weren't, they would have woken up long before they got to 6,000AGL. They would have been hypoxic above 23,000 which they were only above that altitude for 5 or ten minutes. The crew would have regained consciousness by 10,000 ft.
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>>605770451
Being old has no bearing on whether or not the maintenance is poor.
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>>605774324
but..but.. isis is owned by the us.. they trained them just as they trained al quaida
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>>605774344
allah's anal friend
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>>605774324
Putin did it
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>>605774457
are you a pilot?
is the horizon flat?
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>>605773050
there WAS no stall
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>>605773946
this sounds it
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>>605773719
777 driver here.
I read about that on pprune
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>>605774565
so he's a muslim cartoon aswell?
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>>605758128
You are pathetic. God cant kill people he isn't real.
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>>605773772
>You have absolutely nothing to worry about

That's all well and good buddy but try telling that to the corpses of these people, and the ones still lying at the bottom of the ocean from the malaysia plane. I'm aware it's a very safe means of travel, but surely it can always get safer, no? Hence the question about possible ways to keep on improving safety.
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>>605774816
hey pilot.. is the horizon flat?
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>>605774514
Lufthansa Technik is worldwide market leader in maintenance.
But I understand you're looking for an easy answer here.
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Looks like jet fuel melts jets
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>>605756125
The second one is possible but unlikely. The first one wouldnt happen as planes have terrain guidence systems, plus breathable height is 8,000ft so they would of been at a reasonable altitude of most of the alps
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>>605756125
My god you must be trolling. Math and physics people do enjoy making fun of the intelligences of engineers, but not even I'd believe they'd be so stupid as to design such a system on the assumption mountains don't exist. The only people dumb enough to believe that is you and some random guy on a train apparently.
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>>605775277
lol
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>>605775152
Still looks flat at 35,000'... You'll Only See more curvature much higher than that faggot
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>>605775265
You misunderstood me... I'm saying that it's a ridiculous assumption to assume the maintenance is poor just because the airplane is 24 years old.
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>>605756125
when the third "pull up" is triggered while in autopilot and nothing happens the onboard computer compensate automaticly
this didnt happen because the breathing altitude is way above that mountain ridge they crashed.. and thus the plane would have been fine even if the pilots where incapacitaded...
this could well be a terrorist attack who knows
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>>605774962
god is as real as you make him in your brain... thats why those religious ppl are fucking dangerous! they have NO reasoning....
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>>605774300
Its insane how calm the pilots are even so close to the end.
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>>605774816
Why is a Boeing pilot commenting on the complicated Airbus autopilot system like he knows shit?
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>>605756125
Random person on the train told you.

Must be true.

So, how are you with jet fuel and steel beams? The moon landing?
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>>605774137
i'm not the the guy who you were replying to before, i just stated the fact, that if they wanted to, they could have seen out of the windows, at least most of them
we don't know if it was cloudy or not, we don't know if they did know that they will crash or not
i was only arguing with your statement, that most people can't see out of the windows, which is not the case on this plane
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>>605775459
Autopilot will not do anything when the Gpws pull up warning comes.
It won't even bring the plane down automatically in a depress idiot
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>>605773050
>it is true that aircrafts have this automatic system
No it's not
>Also there is a system called TWS (Terrain Warn System)
It's called the GPWS (Ground Proximity Warning System)
>which has a higher priority then the oxygen descend
Again, an "oxygen descend" system does not exist
>if it detects an approaching to terrain, itll pull up the aircraft automatically
Wrong again. The GPWS will alert pilots of close proximity to the ground, but it will not "pull the aircraft up automatically"
>My guess is they just got into a stall and lost the control.
Your guess is wrong. Even with this little revealed information it's clear that the plane was in a controlled descent and it maintained speed, which means there was no stall.

You watch too much TV. Stop talking now, please.
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Sort of true. Tomb stone technology it's called.
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>>605775378
why is that a faggot question to a serious and respected man who is an pilot?
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>>605765547
>Look Igor it is the clock radio we have always wanted. It has fallen from heavens as gift to our people.
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>>605775514
Because I have Airbus colleagues and we fly different aircraft types during out careers?
Fuck me you're thick
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>>605775653
I thought you were taking the piss with that question, sorry.
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>>605775514
I think he was just responding to me since I fly the A320 and I said we were given an OEB about the false stall recovery and how to recover from it.
He said he read about it on pprune
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>>605773744
No, the aircraft's altitude would be cycling up and down in that case. The airbus is also very likely to have been equipped with stall protection, disallowing any inputs that force it into a stall.
I believe it's a depressuization thing, the pilots realized they had a cabin altitude problem and started an emergency descent, probably too late however and hypoxia overcame them, leaving the plane uncontrolled.
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>>605756490
>ethnical cleaning
>german

to auschwitz with you
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you guys are stupid

the sensors froze
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you are retarded
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>>605775518
Jet fuel doesn't melt those steel beams and they used thermite. Moon landing was real
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>>605756125
Small aircraft pilot here

Far as I know there's no system to automatically change the altitude, the pilots will have a few seconds of useful consciousness to put on oxygen masks in the event of depressurization.

If they didn't get masks on early enough the pilot may have manually or using the autopilot got the airplane to descend while they weren't very sound in reasoning and that be the cause, but I didn't hear about this one so it's just speculation.
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>>605775594
All of this. Too many faggots making stupid assumptions out of their ass.
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>>605776181
Only some small bizjets have automatic descent ability in a depressuization and this only activates if the pilots don't do anything for a set time (if they're incapacitated)
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>>605776011
This.

All the pilot had to do was turn off auto pilot and fly it himself.
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>>605776011
You're not better than the idiot on the train
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No mayday or distress call. Plane descends at a consistent rate. Likely, depressurization or inability to pressurize since the airplane descends soon after reaching cruise. Several scenarios. A gradual onset of hypoxia, aircraft descends as designed resulting in CFIT scenario. Rapid depressurization at altitude, pilots preselect 6,000ft and hit "Exped" button on FCU. Plane begins to automatically descend as quickly as possible to preselected altitude which explains steep descent. Either ABO canisters not filled properly, empty, malfunction and pilots pass out and do not regain consciousness in time.
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>>605775811
just wondering how high i should send my weatherbaloon project with an NON fisheye camera to see the curvature of the earth clearly..:)
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Youre all dumb as shit

I have worked on and flown fighter jets and commercial aircraft. Logged over 10000 hours. Congrats on being a complete tool. Now go outside
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>>605767039
what is the black stuff on the wounds?
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>>605774986
>surely it can always get safer, no
There's a way to prevent 100% of airplane crashes, would you like to know what it is?
>ground all airplanes permanently

Seriously man, just relax. Aircraft accidents are extremely rare in this day and age. If you're so worried about airplanes you must be terrified of cars or even bicycles which I'm sure have worse safety records.

We could make all planes a lot safer by only allowing them to fly at 10,000 ft and a speed of ~180kt, but that wouldn't be very practical would it?

>try telling that to the corpses of these people, and the ones still lying at the bottom of the ocean from the malaysia plane
You are quite the faggot. Millions, if not billions, of airliner flights have been conducted around the world without incident, and here you are worried about the few that go wrong. Something like 5,000-10,000 flights occur in America every /day/, and in the past 14 years only 2 have crashed (one shortly after 9/11, and more recently the one in KSFO which was due to insufficient piloting training by a foreign operator)
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>>605775500
cool triple dubs, but yeah if you note at how fast they are talking though... they must of had some serious discomfort in their voices

" ah here we go " - * all to see is ocean and some sky/ first few and last as well noises of plane touching water,... lawdy
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>>605776562
Apparently you can see the curvature from the U2 which cruises at around 60,000'.
Hope that helps!
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>>605775587
the same thing (but it was a software glitch) happened some time ago

false alarm lead the airplane into a diving mode and even worse somehow the autopilot locked down the control for 2 mins before the pilot finally turned it off (i think it was on a british airbus a320 of raf )
it was a freak event but still (same thing happened in 78 on a olympic airways 747 but in that case the autopilot cause the water injection system to stop working all together after the no3 blow out and somehow that plane was flying at 55 meters and as as slow as 164 knots (later they find out that they got saved because of the ground effect )
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>>605756612
Actually the first story is completely plausible. If there was a depressurization onboard and a safety system kicked in to bring the plane to a height that was safe to breath, but the system was not designed to incorporate the altitude of the airliner this could happen.
>>
I'd just like to know why there was no emergency communication from the plane over the 8 minute time period it was descending. I understand a pilot's first priority in an emergency is handling the emergency, but for 8 minutes?

I think something catastrophic happened to the fuselage to cause loss of pressure and took the pilots by such surprise they simply couldn't react, like, fuck i dunno, the roof of the cockpit tearing off or some shit.

I think it was sabotage.
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>>605776460
Except it's not that simple.
Whether or not you turn the autopilot off, if the A320 is in normal law you can NOT stall it.
If it thought it was approaching a stall, autopilot or not, the pilots inputs would be overridden.
The only way to regain control would be to turn off a few of the flight control computers thereby forcing the airplane out of normal law and into direct law.
As I said earlier there was a bulletin put out about this a few months ago due to an occurrence in an A321
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>>605776651
just dirt mixed with the blood.
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>>605776935
Alternate law not direct law sorry
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes_flight_disaster
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>>605775594
udnerrateadded post
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>>605776889
IF such a system existed it would surely not be retarded enough to not use radio altimeter information at low altitudes you fucking idiot
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>>605773770

Lmao, saved
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>>605776841
thanks.. starting to doupt the globe teory, and got a weatherbaloon capable of 80,000. so im sending my dslr to see for my self with my own equitment.. don't trust anyone anymore.. there are so many ppl reporting flat earth the last years when ppl have the tech to do reasearch themselfs...
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Stupid fucking amerfats with their crappy Boeing if it was a French Airbus it never would crash. The blood of these people are on your hands fat fucks I only hope that soon your economy will colapse and China will drop a few nukes just fucking die u fucking scum of the earth
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>>605770630
And after all the dust has settled, you realize you just crashed your plane in the region of Bains!
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>>605777490

Go prove 'em wrong
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>>605773770

>Ex-military enforcement 1st Medical race-pilot trainer Attorney at Law reporting in. I'm designing a new game, but I can't get to much into it. It's classified.
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>>605777550
>if it was a French Airbus
Try harder
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>>605777550
1/10 for the reply
>>
with no survivors :--DDD
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maybe there was no loss in cabin pressure. maybe an allahu akbar busted in the cabin, told the pilots not to touch radios and put the plane down on the ground asap, one pilot argued they were headed for a mountain and allahu akbar said "shut up, bitch" and knocked him out, so they crashed.
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>>605770630
>flight engineer
>on an a320
nice try
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>>605777550
Nice bait Amerifag.
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>>605776756
Yeah, really makes you respect their training though just calmly problem solving the whole time. I mean fuck your upside down hurtling towards the ocean, and then the moment of realization.
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>>605773290
Is it actually possible they were hit by a rocket or some shit?
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I'm staying the fuck out of Airbus jets until this shit is figured out.

Condolences to espana and duetsche bros from burgerland.
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>>605773000
Jesus, France, again?

> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerolinee_Itavia_Flight_870
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>>605778425
No, the debris field is too small and descent too consistent.
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>>605778425
probably not. people would have seen that shit, man. eye witnesses would be in the news.
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>>605778425
Extremely unlikely, the white house already confirmed no evidence of an attack was present
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>>605778086

>ITT: 9/ɪɪ: Gebirge

>(9/11 two: Mountains)
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>>605770598
nice reddit pasta, faggot.
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>>605778425
No
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I'm an airbus mechanic, the jet fuel melted the engines, resulting in a loss of altitude
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>>605778311
ive got about 800-1000 hours as passenger, before i started having epilepsy, my bitch ass would eat a lot of xanax and drink at the airport before the flight, as well during the flight.. that pizza they make is so fucking good when you are fucked up, that is all besides the point i would be passed out from fear if it was upside down lol. but yeah these guys just keep on keepin on and god damn...
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>>605773000
>>605778481
Trips confirm!
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inb4 terrorist attack
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>>605770598
>dual engine failure causes steep descent
>airplanes are incapable of gliding
what a bunch of dumb bullshit
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>>605756490
GAS THE KIKES RACEWAR NOW
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>>605756125
Actual aircraft mechanic here,

What happened was the rapid depressurization resulted in a fuel tank leak, which melted the steel beams support within the aircraft.
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>>605773000
that's not a pic of an american vehicle.
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>>605779262
1/10
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>>605778992
I fly all the time too, I used to be nervous about it. But you realize how much goes into making it safe, I was on a flight last week and the flight was delayed 6 hours due to snow, then when we finally boarded they wouldn't take off simply because a sensor was too cold and was registering that the luggage door was open even though it was thoroughly secured. We had to switch planes, which and then everybody bitches and gets mad about the delays.

No chances are taken, and people don't realize how complex of an operation it is.
>>
I believe I saw an epised of aircrash investigation where that happened, so it's possible
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>>605779542
yeah pretty much.. i still get way to uneasy near takeoff and landing, and sometimes in chop... alcohol is still a friend though even though white rectangles ( xanax )would be so beautiful
>>
Merchant Navigator here: I prefer sailing to this Shit.
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>>605779563

>one death from israel
>one death from turkey
>a jew and muslim on board the same flight

Coincidence!??!?
ilerminerty
pet fuel cannot melt peel creams
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>>605779563
lol.....
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>>605779941
>merchant
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>>605779563

So many germans for one jew........ how times have changed
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>>605778440

Thanks anon
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>>605777152
Rescuers did not learn of the survivors until 72 days after the crash when passengers Nando Parrado and Roberto Canessa, after a 10-day trek across the Andes...

Over two months in the Andes. No food, no compass, -32' weather,little to no winter clothing, no cell phones, forced to cannibalize other passengers.
>>
anyone got a weather report around the area before the accident? the ice-sensor scenario seems to fit the best right now.
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>>605781018
Forgot to mention most of the human flesh was consumed RAW due due to lack of fire building materials.
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>>605781143
Hint:
It was pretty cold at that altitude


You'd think mechanics would take the possibility of freezing sensors into account?
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>>605781483
>>605781018
Gotta do what you gotta do to survive man.
>>
anyone got a link to the passenger manifest?
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>>605759059
German detected
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>>605756125
They all died.
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>>605778440
I'd stay off them completely. Bad design philosophy and it's a sketchy company to begin with.

My dad flew for delta for 32 years and I'm an aerosci student at embry riddle hence why i feel allowed to post an opinion
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>>605781652
I'll eat your asshole alive you bitch
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>>605756125
4000 meters is the altitude you need to be able to breathe without cabin pressure. Not sure how many alps reach that level.

The yoke is actually a joystick on the side in Airbus. So there is nothing to slump over.

Looking at flight trajectory it looks like it was a controlled descent but probably not by pilot. If it was out of control descent there would be an accelerated loss of altitude and increased speed over time an the decent curve would be more parabolic.
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>>605756125
revenge of the steel beams
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>>605781652
Trekked 30+ miles in the Andes without a clue where they were going with no actual expectations of getting out and no gear.. They knew their direction based on sunrise/sunset and a collective knowledge of the group and that's about it. They got lucky.
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>>605782620
>the decent curve would be more parabolic
isn't there some gliding or something that would prevent it from being parabolic?
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>>605782290
Whats the philosophy?
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>>605781143
that's the less likely explanation.
>>
Maybe the plane started to lower because of de-presurrization and the plane tilting forward made the unconscious pilot fall forward and push the yoke downward and because of the emergency situation the plane gave the unconscious pilot full control and didn't do anything about the crash that was coming thinking that the pilot was trying to execute an emergency crash landing
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>>605782920
Where did you get that info? Only 2 men hiked out. The rest stayed behind.
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l'avion s'est écrasé a digne les bains dans le 04 , j'habite la bas mais j'était a Manosque au moment du crash , Jérémy si tu lis ce message salut ma poule !
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>>605782929
10,000ft when cabin fails, which is well below the tops of some alps, that's the whole reason you can't change QNH to 103.2 (or whatever it is in europe) until well above 10,000 (unlike somewhere such as Australia)
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>>605781574
To have icing, water must be LIQUID. If it's too cold (-69°F @ 40k feet), the water will be already iced and won't adhere to the plane. Anyway they say that weather condition was good.
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>>605783921
wut
>>
>>605778671
white house...lol trust them wiyh blind eyes!!
>>
>>605757283
100% certain this is an X-files prop
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>>605779262
9/11
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>>605775339
Math and Physics majors are for people who did not get accepted into the engineering school at their university
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where the fucking crash site pics? all ive seen are rows of emergency vehicles and a few helicopters. i want to see the mothafuckin hole in the mothafuckin ground.
inb4 french snakes did it.
>>
my flight instructor once said, if something happens, it's because we were flying. and when something happens, you'll see a lot of parrots (the parrot is the bir that flies worst and talks most) critizicing.

leave the pilots alone, you're bunch of ignorant faggots that don't fly and talk shit about who does. most of this thread is poor speculation. let's just wait for the investigation results.

i'd say leave them rest in peace but i don't believe in any form of afterlife :p
>>
>>605783921
WTF has that to do with fall v. gliding trajectory?
>>
>>605785302
Sorry that meant to be a reply to the same thing the parabola guy was replying too
>>
Airliner crashed. NO skyscrapers fell down. Explain that, you "it was muh terrorism" fucks.
>>
>>605785239
Whose talking shit about the pilots?

Your mad because people wanna discuss a commercial airplane hurtling into the side of a mountain?

Are you fucking retarded?
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I didn't think it necessarily was conspiracy...

What bugs me is the excessive media coverage.

I guess it's because it draws a lot more eyeballs than usual so they make more money... However many times the media is used to divert attention so idk what to think...
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>>605764854

someone can x-ray this?
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>>605756125
Here's a new theory.
The pilots were both piss drunk and thought they were already over the mountains and getting ready to land so they started a controlled descent as if to land at the airport... PISS DRUNK
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>>605759447

fuck off sheeple
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>>605785928
Implying they just look out the window and decide aww yeah we've probably passed over the mountains now
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>>605785806
>International Business Times
>Referring to Lord Jacob as "Illuminati member"

God damn you are a special one.
>>
>>605771434
you lot are fucking idiots, this is all dark knight rises reference
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>>605785579
many posts say what they should have done or what they might done wrong. not just about the pilots, but about the aircraft and many theories not very likely.

i'm mad because people that don't know about the topic wanna discuss, based on what media say. i'm not saying i do know.
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>>605785928
most believable thing i've read so far
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>>605763742
you made me laugh. i looked very closely to see what was wrong.
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>>605785139
Are you retarded? It crashed in the mountains, the only people up there are ones with Helicopters. You ain't seeing shit, at least not for a while.

There are no civies waltzing around up there with their cameras.
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>>605786347
You know what you can do?

Click on a different thread, and then you wont have to read people discuss something you don't like.

Nobody forced you to be here. Everybody can say what they want, your no different than any other asshole here with an opinion. Except your opinion is dumb, because its basically "stop talking about this".
>>
In todays news, Baneposting reaches shitstorm levels
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>>605786261
do you even know what's the Illuminati?

and yeah, I'm not talking about crappy youtube videos. I'm talking about thick historian's books...

So, yeah. I read those. I'm not special but I know wtf I'm talking about.
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>>605786708
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=240_1427219129
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>>605765547
seatbelts are inportant in takeoff and landing. it's ovious they can don nothing on a 40k free fall, retard.
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>>605786982
Its a shop mayne
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>>605778671
>talking about rocket attack by USA
>believing white house
could you be fatter?
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>>605766080
>stops a car instantly wherever it is if the brakes fail

How would that work if the brakes failed dumbass??

All jokes aside though, I completely agree
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>>605787221
It just self detonates the car if the brakes fail, thus bringing it to a complete stop.
>>
>claiming to be an expert in aviation
Uncanny how many experts in the field appear following a disaster.
How many engineers, architects and material science experts have you come across since 9/11?
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>>605773719
THIS! Airbus has 3 pitot static probes, earlier crash (Air France over Atlantic?) was when 2 froze up and over-road the single good one. Plane senses a stall (low airspeed, two out-vote one) and pushes the nose over. Pilots sense too late what is going on..kaboom. Flight track data shows them at 6000 feet beginning to recover....too low in the alps. We were talking about this at work today. V-22 flight test engineer, USN
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>>605787221
A parachute deploys behind the car
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>>605757283
This is Fox Mulder's badge you niggo
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>>605756125
>the aircraft lowering it's altitude to a breathable height
Computer scientist here. The autopilot disengages automatically as soon as the pilot moves the cloche (or joystick in this case).
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>>605786838
SHREKT
>>
There are 135 posters in this thread and at least half have claimed to be computer scientists, engineers or pilots.

Dam
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>>605775594
This post is correct on all counts.
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>>605764854
Would fuck.
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>>605787102
retard here- the Helios crash in the pic was an estimated 4-500 MPH into terrain, I am aware of that fact
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>>605786901
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>>605788226
you think you are in charge?
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>>605788151
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>>605787406
kek

But on a retarded science note, would that actually work? Could you cause an explosion so large in the opposite direction of motion to cancel out forward momentum? Or shoot a large enough canon or some shit to accomplish the same task?
>>
r der any aftermath pics of todays crash?
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>>605756125
These are the leading hypothesis. The fact that there was no radio call supports the "unconscious pilot" scenario.

The other option would be a massive power failure, which takes out the radio (hard to do on most modern airlines). Say, an electrical fire, which fills the cockpit with smoke. So they lower the planes altitude, stray slightly off course, and crash blindly into the mountainside.

There was talk about it being a deliberate crash, a repeat the of plane that went down in Pennsylvania on 9/11. But the lack of a radio call doesn't really support this, and is probably just sensationalism.
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Fuckin hell why would you turn to 4chan for answers? I'm a pilot myself but nowhere experienced enough to comment on airline fms's, like most of this thread, most people claiming shit in here probably just read a Wikipedia article on Boeing (no offence to people of actual merit, but this is 4chan)
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>>605756490
agree
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